samcv where is the code for perl6 -n located? 00:13
anyone know? the one that takes stdin and then runs the given code once for each line of input
MasterDuke samcv: Actions.nqp 00:16
ugexe git grep '<%?OPTIONS><n>' 00:21
samcv thank you :) 00:34
BenGoldberg If I wanted to use NativeCall to play with the C-level dirent struct and readdir functions, how would I declare the d_name part of the struct? In C, it's defined as: struct dirent { ...; char d_name[PATH_MAX+1]; }; typedef struct dirent dirent; 01:33
cuonglm Can anyone take a look at this PR github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/1154 02:04
thanks
samcv QAST::WVal.new( :value($*W.find_symbol(['Array'])) ) 02:07
^ this will get me an undefined array y/n? how do i make a defined Array?
aka Array.new
BenGoldberg nativecallable6, struct foo { char bar[42] }; 02:13
nativecallable6 BenGoldberg, gist.github.com/b828fd25a36677922e...23d9a7cec5
BenGoldberg nativecallable6, struct foo { char bar[42]; }; 02:14
nativecallable6 BenGoldberg, class foo is repr('CStruct') is export {␤ has NYIRP6(Array with size) $.bar; # char[42] bar␤}
BenGoldberg NYI, fooey.
AlexDaniel heh 02:26
samcv just had a friend get an issue. not all distros have ExtUtils::Command included with their perl 05:29
and they had no clue why rakudo star wouldn't install. as it's only used in the makefile
Geth rakudo/nom: 3f4a9ffac6 | (Samantha McVey)++ | Configure.pl
Don't start Configure.pl without ExtUtils::Command

Not all distros include this module, but it is needed to run the Makefile. If a user would try and install Rakudo Star and they don't have the module, this would obscure the missing module and they likely would not know why the Rakudo Star compilation/installation was failing.
  `use` the module in Configure.pl so the user immediately knows they must
install this module if they do not have it.		 05:32
moritz samcv++ 05:40
travis-ci Rakudo build failed. Samantha McVey 'Don't start Configure.pl without ExtUtils::Command 06:16
travis-ci.org/rakudo/rakudo/builds/274899885 github.com/rakudo/rakudo/compare/e...4a9ffac61e
buggable [travis build above] ☠ Did not recognize some failures. Check results manually.
samcv oh no 06:44
oh it looks like probably a flapper not me
jnthn gfldex: No; last inside whenever should work and mean "unsubscribe", but in the top-level react the only control exception that makes sense is done 06:56
lizmat Files=1223, Tests=67675, 290 wallclock secs (11.03 usr 4.59 sys + 1963.13 cusr 206.70 csys = 2185.45 CPU) 08:15
yoleaux 12 Sep 2017 16:40Z <Zoffix> lizmat: fixes to S24-testing/8-die_on_fail.t look good. The only thing I don't get is why they were passing before or what do you mean by "core returns the wrong exit codes". perl6 -e 'exit 255'; echo $? gives me 255. Some glitch in is_run() routine?
lizmat .tell zoffix they were passing before because they were checking for the wrong thing 08:16
yoleaux lizmat: I'll pass your message to zoffix.
[TuxCM] This is Rakudo version 2017.08-112-g3f4a9ffac built on MoarVM version 2017.08.1-156-g49b90b99 08:58
csv-ip5xs 1.281 - 1.302
test 9.524 - 9.536
test-t 3.394 - 3.402
csv-parser 10.661 - 10.844
lizmat first time below 3.4 ? 09:35
.speed 10
ilmari lizmat: it's been twice before 09:56
[2017-09-06 10:02:51]< |Tux|> test-t 3.376 - 3.490
[2017-09-13 09:58:25]< [TuxCM]> test-t 3.394 - 3.402 09:57
gfldex didn't we used to have typed exceptions for IO? 09:58
moritz m: say X::IO 10:24
camelia (IO)
gfldex i'm getting `X::AdHoc: Failed to open file radio-fifo-i: No such file or directory` 10:30
but I can't find where that comes from
lizmat m: die; CATCH { dd $_ } # die will throw X::AdHoc 10:33
camelia X::AdHoc.new(payload => "Died")
Died
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
lizmat gfldex: ^^^
gfldex so does fail
and there are quite a few fails with bare strings left in Rakudo
could be something for a SQUASHathon. Fairly easy to do and could be finished in one weekend 10:35
Zoffix . 10:51
yoleaux 08:16Z <lizmat> Zoffix: they were passing before because they were checking for the wrong thing
Zoffix still doesn't get it, but OK :) 10:52
mst: I didn't know you were a vocalist in a Christian power metal band :) www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxS1aQSSb5M
gfldex: IIRC the was a plan to make open die with a VM typed exception instead of X::AdHoc 10:54
gfldex: this PR in particular: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/894
s/the/there/; 10:55
jnthn Righty, that was lunch. Back to this scheduler... 11:29
timotimo back to your regularly scheduler coding 11:33
Geth rakudo/nom: 80e069a4b4 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files
BUILDPLAN states 2,3 were not being used

  - so eradicate them
  - probably does not have any noticeable performance effects
  - but it cleans up, and means less codegen to worry about later		 11:38
jnthn lizmat: fwiw, I think they're used by NQP 11:47
lizmat well, it spectests clean :-) 11:48
and as a single commit, easily reversible
jnthn: are you saying that NQP executes Mu.BUILDALL ? 11:50
lunch&
jnthn lizmat: No, I think it'd only happen if you inherit from an NQP class 11:51
lizmat jnthn: so, do you think I should revert ? 12:11
jnthn lizmat: Well, I doubt there's much doing that, though I think v5 was 12:12
lizmat hmmm... v5 is severely bitrotted: 'Build' cannot inherit from 'Panda::Builder' because it is unknown. 12:18
jnthn Basics of the new thread pool scheduler slowly starting to come together 12:25
lizmat assumes that will be merged post 2017.09 release, right ? 12:26
jnthn Absolutely.
I've caused enough trouble for one release already :P
gfldex jnthn: do you got an interface for keeping track and terminating threads aleady?
lizmat gfldex: you mean terminating threads from the outside? 12:27
gfldex yes
jnthn gfldex: The interface is the same as today
Well, modulo it accepting some extra hints when asked for a queue
That said, the new design does keep rather better track of what threads it's running 12:28
So if we want to have a way to get that status info, we can 12:29
The design still assumes "lives until shutdown"
gfldex I would like to terminate a thread that is blocking on a `open`. 12:35
lizmat gfldex: I assume technically, you would like to end the work that a thread is doing, right? 12:38
gfldex yes
lizmat ok, just checking :-)
jnthn Ah, that's...trickier
gfldex having non-bocking open would mitigate the problem. At least for my usecase. 12:39
lizmat gfldex: since we can now pass handles between threads (afaik), wouldn't a start block returning the handle, and a Promise.in(5) timeout do the work for you ? 12:46
gfldex if I `open` a FIFO (other fancy stuff like dev-inodes, plasticfs, unionfs and such) the thread will block. The fifo-file can be unlinked without the open call to return. Now I have a thead I can't possibly get rid of, because I can't even for a write from the other end of the pipe (that may be done from a different thread in the same process). 12:50
s/for/force/ 12:51
I intend to build a webradio server that knows about bluetooth speakers and as such will have to talk to all sort of os-subsystems _and_ will run continuesly for weeks. 12:53
at least that's the plan.
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
real 1702m34.239s
that's how for Rakudo will carry me so far :)
jnthn lizmat: Promise.in timeout stuff doesn't terminate the other operation 12:57
lizmat ah, duh... and the Promise.in runs in another thread anyway, right ? 12:58
gfldex in the world of fork one could use signals. Is there something like that in the (portable) thread world? 12:59
jnthn Perhaps yes, especially if you're willing to play NativeCall games
gfldex fleets in terror
jnthn fwiw docs.libuv.org/en/v1.x/fs.html#c.uv_fs_open is on the one hand non-blocking, but on the other hand doesn't seem to provide a cancellation mechanism 13:01
It seems the open syscall does take O_NONBLOCK though 13:02
jnthn reaches the point where he wants to try out the new scheduler in CORE.setting, before doing further smarts in it 13:54
[Coke] jnthn: ISTR you suggested that, in the setting $*ERR // stderr() would be problematic (and it is) - do you remember what your suggested resolution was? 13:55
(no worries if not)
jnthn Ummm...no 13:56
Though stderr() is an NQP thing
Which is why it won't work in the setting 13:57
(which is Perl 6 code)
nqp::stderr gets the handle but that's the low-level object
Do we have situations in CORE.setting where we don't have a $*ERR?
I guess during the build...
We can always use nqp::writefh(nqp::stderr(), nqp::encode('blah', 'utf8')) or so though 13:58
hm, well, passes make test :) 14:00
heh, that moment when your new scheduler passes spectest first time and you git diff to check if you really actually tested it :P 14:08
Zoffix :D 14:10
mst jnthn: and you're still going to be paranoid for weeks 14:11
lizmat Q: are we supposed to allow subclassing of Mu.bless ? 14:12
jnthn Umm...I think that falls into "not very advisable but it's a method so what can we do about it" :)
mst also quite possibly "99% of the time a bad idea, but 1% of the time enables you to do things that are really quite awesome and had never occurred to anybody in advance" 14:19
like, "this is the sort of thing ingy or I might use to do something amazing and everybody else probably just loses a foot" ;)
lizmat what if you'd still be able to subclass .bless, but you'd need t supply your own .new ? 14:20
jnthn Sounds a bit odd-ish... 14:21
lizmat what if object creation with a single attribute could be made 30% faster 14:22
jnthn What if we solved the more general problem and made all object creations 30% faster? :P 14:23
s/the more/a more/
Hurrah, for ^100 { run "ls" } runs in about half the memory with the new scheduler 14:25
mst lizmat: surely if that's possible it could be done via an optimisation that detects the presence of a single attribute with a constructor with a single positional arg or something?
lizmat well, I guess I could just wait for it :-)
ah, maybe I expressed myself unclearly: the 30% is for a class with single attribute
this would speed up *all* object creation through Mu.new, the percentage would vary with number of attributes and default values needing to be set or not 14:26
jnthn Ah, OK, then it's maybe less bad than I feared :)
lizmat basically, letting Mu.new do nqp::create(self).BUILDALL(%attrinit); directly 14:27
rather than go through Mu.bless
mst lizmat: then I'm confued as to the relationship with Mu.bless ? if you're already needing to detetc the 'single attribute' part you could detect 'My.bless has not been subclassed' at the same time?
sorry if these are stupid questions 14:28
Geth rakudo/better-sched: d2eb742312 | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | 3 files
Pass :hint-affinity to scheduler in some places

These are cases where the input is arriving to be emitted by a Supply, and thus having multiple threads scrambling to handle the input will do more harm than good. Ignored by the current thread pool scheduler, but will be used by the upcoming new one.
rakudo/better-sched: 80b49320cf | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | 2 files
Initial re-implementation of thread pool scheduler

Has separate general and timer queues with separate workers, and also introduces affinity queues, which are intended for cases where events will be fed into a `Supply`, and thus there's no point having lots of threads competing over them only to immediately stumble over each other. The separate timer queue helps with timer events being delayed, ... (15 more lines)
lizmat mst: hmmm.. good point
mst I mean, that sounds really cool for the "didn't customize bless or BUILD or new" case in general
you could perhaps inline BUILDALL in that case as well 14:29
(and only call TWEAKALL if there's a TWEAK ...)
jnthn BUILDALL is what I think we'd code-gen
lizmat BUILDALL would be codegenned indeed
mst aha, ok
jnthn Rather than it being interpreted
lizmat I'm just doing some research into optimizing BUILDALL and grokking the whole machinery deeply 14:30
jnthn Also worth noting that manual inlining is generally less useful in Perl 6 than one might thing, since spesh does it in a lot of cases
mst bearin mind in p5 M* what you call BUILD is always generated, and your TWEAK is the user-accessible bit
lizmat before starting on the codegen step
jnthn *might think
mst so my POV can be skewed by that
lizmat mst: BUILD/TWEAK will always be called
mst lizmat: I'm talking about the "when they don't exist" case 14:31
lizmat ah, ok.. they will only be called if they exist, of course
but I don't see BUILD and TWEAK code genned into BUILDALL just yet 14:32
jnthn In theory, though, a short BUILD/TWEAK method would be inlined into the code-gen'd BUILDALL, which in turn might manage to be inlined into .new
And if the new is then inlined then we've basically won.
lizmat yup
mst my point being that if there's no BUILDs in the heirarchy you could generate a single BUILDALL that e.g. only unpacks the named args once
not sure if your inlining includes signature merging
jnthn mst: Not yet, though it's in the realm of possible things :) 14:33
mst hence the thing where "hier has no custom BUILDs" might still make generating a BUILDALL worth it if there's N levels since %attrinit would then only be unpacked once
I think 14:34
mst *thinks* he's being *theoretically* coherent here
but that doesn't mean it's a good idea ;)
lizmat being theoretically coherent is always a good first step :-)
mst yeah, but I'm a pure mathematician by training, so I'm really good at being theoretically coherent with no actual relationship to reality ... ;) 14:35
jnthn Hurrah, stresstest is also happy under the new scheduler
I guess that means I can now work on making it a bit smarter :) 14:36
Can confirm it fixes R 14:37
rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=122709
grr :)
That RT
lizmat
.oO( R you being fixed ? )
 14:38
jnthn And makes things much betterin RT #131915
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=131915
jnthn And in theory helps with RT #130370; will check that now
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=130370
jnthn bah, output buffering actually makes that much less of an issue already :P 14:40
lizmat don't you hate it if previous opts make new opts obsolete :-) 14:41
jnthn ;)
Well, adding .flush re-shows the problem of the late timer 14:42
And I can see that with the new scheduler the timer fires on time
So, yay
samcv jnthn, i'm getting crashes in p6decontrv 14:45
20<samcv>30 of perl6_ops.c:340 in the rakudo tree
jnthn Crashes? 14:46
samcv SIGSEV
jnthn hm, line 340 is just a pointer comparison 14:47
Got any local changes? 14:48
samcv just things only triggered with -a and none of these happned with that
libperl6_ops_moar.so`p6decontrv(tc...000cf6980, cur_op="") at perl6_ops.c:340
jnthn Could be some kind of version skew
samcv maybe this means something 14:49
no cur_op?
jnthn e.g. a MoarVM change happened and then the extops weren't built against it
samcv i mean what would i have to do just compile rakudo again?
if so then that can't be it since i have been doing that
Geth rakudo: sjn++ created pull request #1155:
Improve generate MAIN usage for rakudobrew		 14:50
lizmat m: class A { method bless() { "blessed" } }; dd A.new 14:51
camelia "blessed"
samcv jnthn, also how do i insert a value stored in Actions.nqp into a QAST node?
jnthn samcv: Did you try a make clean? If you only chanage Actions.nqp...
What kind of value?
Geth rakudo/nom: 76ccfd591d | (Salve J. Nilsen)++ | src/core/Main.pm
Improve generate MAIN usage for rakudobrew

When using rakudobrew, the MAIN function's generated usage text contains very long paths on every line. This changes the output to showing the full path on only one line, and then the basename on all subsequent lines.
samcv a string value
Geth rakudo/nom: 7f0367b795 | lizmat++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | src/core/Main.pm
Merge pull request #1155 from sjn/sjn-main-usage

Improve generate MAIN usage for rakudobrew
samcv QAST::WVal.new(:value($delimiter)),
samcv it's a variable that's in the code, well it's an argument for a sub in Actions.nqp and it's a str type 14:52
dogbert17_ jnthn: is it enough to check out the 'better-sched' branch and rebuild rakudo in order to test it or does something else have to be done as well?
samcv if i try that i get: Object of type BOOTStr in QAST::WVal, but not in SC
jnthn dogbert17_: That'd be all for now
samcv: Yeah, that's not sufficinet
Geth rakudo/nom: 62fd509333 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Mu.pm
Bypass Mu.bless if we can

  - check if the object's bless method is same as Mu.bless
  - if so, bypass calling Mu.bless and go for self.BUILDALL directly
  - makes object creation a bit faster
   - about 25% for .new on a class with a single attribute and a default value
   - about 1% slower if you subclass .bless yourself, but that should be rare
jnthn samcv: There's an add_str_constant or some such method on $*W that does it right
dogbert17_ hmm, the build, i.e. make went well but make test
and make install didn't go that well 14:53
jnthn samcv: ah, add_string_constant actually
dogbert17_: ohhh 14:54
I forgot
I uncovered a MoarVM bug
samcv that doesn't seem to accept a name though. only a value
dogbert17_ aha :)
samcv how do i refer to it by name then?
jnthn samcv: What kind of name?
samcv or do i do QAST::WVal(:value($*Wadd_string_constant($foo))
jnthn Oh, I see 14:55
Yes
samcv to refer to the variable i mean
ok thanks
jnthn For a moment I thought you were wanting to pass it as a named parameter
samcv but from the coredump it looks like that thing in perl6_ops.c wasn't getting any argument. so i added a throw in to it in case it gets a NULL pointer 14:56
jnthn dogbert17_: HEAD of MoarVM :)
dogbert17_ jnthn: thx
samcv will see if it triggers that check and let you know. crash isn't always consistent just been happening randomly
jnthn samcv: "" doesn't mean NULL pointer
samcv oh
jnthn It's jsut that the bytecode stream is a char * 14:57
But the bytecode stream can have null bytes in it
gdb then helpfully tries to show it as a string
samcv well the argument is MVMuint8 *cur_op
jnthn 'cus it can't know it's not
And ends up showing either a junk string or, if it's a zero, the empty string
samcv so it points to something that has a NULL in there?
jnthn yeah 14:58
But it's not string data at all
samcv yep
jnthn And it's not even a null pointer, just a zero byte
samcv yeah i got it
jnthn Did you try a make clean ? 14:59
samcv jnthn, now i get Object of type QAST::Want in QAST::WVal, but not in SC 15:05
yeah i'll try that
this is with the WVal issue
jnthn samcv: oh... 15:07
Then add_string_constant is already returning a QAST node
I forgot it did that
So you don't need to wrap it int a WVal at all
Just stick it straight into the tree
samcv ok cool 15:08
Skarsnik Hello 15:15
yoleaux 12:10Z <Zoffix> Skarsnik: you were asking how much HDD Toaster needed. I have the answer: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2017-09-13#i_15156762
Skarsnik Hm someone ran toaster already? 15:16
Zoffix Skarsnik: I think stmuk was gonna. At least he was asking about how much HDD space was needed 15:20
ugexe what tool should i use to find leaking/opening handles other than playing with ulimit? 15:21
Skarsnik I am actually preparing a vm to run it
stmuk Skarsnik: I'm running it on a very low resource VM right now but I have only got to th Ds
the more runs the better 15:22
Skarsnik Zoffix, I need to upgrade the free account to something? max core I could set was 8
Zoffix Skarsnik: oh, dunno. I guess that's the limit now. I think I subbed to full account right away and while I still had the $300 credit, I could use full systems (32-core at the time, they have 64-core boxes now) 15:23
ugexe someone should make a tool to generate a perl6 docker + toaster + post-run ~/.zef/store folder (so no fetching is required) 15:24
stmuk Zoffix: which VPS service did you use? 15:25
Skarsnik or just put all cmd on the readme in a script x)
ugexe that still requires downloading
which means various commands could fail during install process 15:26
Zoffix stmuk: Google Compute Engine
For toasting and rakudo-hacking-on-the-go. I use Linode for my always-on server 15:27
ugexe me too
Skarsnik btw why perlbrew? 15:28
perl on debian is too old?
ugexe does debian come with a perl with the proper flags turned on?
Skarsnik No idea
Zoffix Skarsnik: dunno, just force of habbit. I always brew my own perl, leaving system one alone 15:29
Skarsnik Why would you need special flgas?
Zoffix For Inline::Perl5
Skarsnik Ooh make sense
jnthn More scheduler fun tomorrow. :) bbl 15:31
stmuk I've used the Redhat cloud service before as well .. I wonder if there is a regularly updated resource keeping tab on cloudy free-ness? 15:34
nine I really don't like github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/1155...cdd7758403
It's useful only for rakudobrew users and may confuse others.
Skarsnik hm 15:35
not really
zef does the same thing
I get a /opt/....../zef in front of each line 15:36
Zoffix Skarsnik: it only does that because you're using rakudobrew
Do you? 15:37
Skarsnik hm 15:38
it does not now x)
stmuk I think zef behaviour changed recently I've not seen the long paths for a while 15:39
Skarsnik Usage:
zef [--force|--force-fetch] fetch '[<identities> ...]' -- Download specific distributions
I remember having a full path here
Zoffix Skarsnik: there's a plug in zef itself to avoid that.... Try zef dfasdassadsa
Skarsnik well anyway it's not here, it's cool 15:40
and I installed by hand
stmuk talking of rakudobrew .. there are some PRs open (inc. one of mine :-) ) 15:42
Skarsnik Zoffix, toaster detect the number of core? 15:43
Geth rakudo/nom: 9b527d0f08 | (Stefan Seifert)++ | src/core/Main.pm
Revert "Improve generate MAIN usage for rakudobrew"

This reverts commit 76ccfd591db960c6d1a22a496ef928cdd7758403.
The issue only affects rakudobrew users and that's because rakudobrew plays tricks with module installation. The proper fix would be to change rakudobrew so it no longer uses different module installation paths for each rakudo version.		 15:44
JimmyZ jnthn: re TPS, how do you think about github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/1088 ? :) 15:45
Skarsnik I need to toast HEAD and 2017.08 ?
Zoffix Skarsnik: yes 15:46
Skarsnik: .. and yes :)
Skarsnik so I do toaster 2017.08 HEAD and it's good? x) 15:47
And I can take a shower, do some groceries, write 10 000 words of stuff...
stmuk I'm seeing a few moar backtraces BTW 15:48
samcv yay i got -a working \o/ splits the STDIN into an array 15:52
though not sure what default would be, perl has it be like \s+
Zoffix it also uses $*ARGVFILES equivalent instead of STDIN, innit? 15:54
samcv it's like -n 15:55
except it splits $_ into $*f, though the variable name can be changed of course
i gotta sleep a tad more. o/ 15:56
samcv &
Zoffix $ echo 'one three' > one; echo 'two four' > two; perl -wlaE 'say @F' one two
onethree
twofour
\o
Skarsnik: OK, I've just confirmed. when using rakudobrew, `zef dasdsadsad` prints awful long parts. When using my installer bash alias, it just uses `zef` 15:58
Zoffix builds HEAD 16:00
Oh, lol, nine++ reverted the update 16:10
For a second I was confused why bleed rakudo did not show changed message :)
Skarsnik there is no spec to specify external deps in the meta file btw? 16:11
external = no perl6 deps
Zoffix I think samcv++ was working on that at some point
Skarsnik is that just agreed on the field name/struct? I mean implementation can came later 16:12
Zoffix There's no official specification for the META file contents. As in, there are no roast tests (that I'm aware of) that test what happens with a META6.json file. 16:15
Geth rakudo/nom: 2574f8835f | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files
Adapt BUILDPLAN further

  - replace state 0 for calling BUILD/TWEAK by just the Callable
   - saves one int + one list for each BUILD/TWEAK method in class or derived
   - adapt Mu.BUILDALL/BUILD_LEAST_DERIVED accordingly
   - runtime improvements within noise
  - move up all other states one notch
Zoffix Skarsnik: It's actually part of 6.d-prep preliminary TODOs, if you'd like to get the ball rolling there :) github.com/perl6/6.d-prep/tree/mas...6json-spec 16:16
lizmat dinner&
Zoffix
.oO( 6.d "Dismorphia" sounds so cool... )
 16:17
Skarsnik Zoffix, I could add rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=126744 in this file maybe x) 16:20
ugexe what about design.perl6.org/S22.html#%3Afrom%3Cnative%3E 16:22
Skarsnik I am not fan on how it's done in this, but it's some ideas 16:24
Zoffix Skarsnik: yeah, so looks like ^ S22 has seen some updates. Would be sweet to see an impl and some tests :)
Or maybe not. Perhaps this isn't something we want to rush just to include in 6.d 16:25
Zoffix &
Skarsnik having the spec defined for 6.d could be a nice goal
ugexe most of it has nothing to do with rakudo, the important pats to hammer down are the parts rakudo uses
Skarsnik implemnetation will be for stuff like zef 16:26
ugexe nine, tony-o, and myself came up with the s22 specs based on hours of discussion 16:27
Skarsnik dunno. for me it should not be directly on the depend keyword, to make a good barrier between perl6 dependancies and the rest 16:30
ugexe why is that distinction important 16:31
which, you otherwise make with :from<...>
s/make/mark/ 16:32
Skarsnik It's clearer. From a packager point of view I would prefer having them on a separate part than the perl6 deps 16:33
ugexe thats objective 16:34
Skarsnik both are subjective point of view :)
ugexe right, im trying to ignore those things 16:35
i dont claim one looks better than the other
Skarsnik If you are like zef/panda/whatever writer for me it draw a clear line between "I need to handle the depends stuff to be perl6 module installer" and "the other deps I can do then later of let another tool do the job" 16:36
nine Skarsnik: as a packager (which I am, too) you have to consider all dependencies anyway. What would duplicating the hierarchy gain you?
ugexe zef/panda/whatever can draw their own lines 16:37
Skarsnik Well the perl 6 parts dep are like "generic" the non perl6 deps need specific need 16:38
ugexe besides, it not even about what they can handle as far as fetching. its also about searching for all the parts to complete a dependency graph. if you don't have curl and can't fetch it, but a different optional dependency doesnt need curl, it should choose that path
all of this before downloading any actual packages (just the index) 16:39
thats why the keys in the example show names that correspnd to $*KERNEL, $*VM and the like 16:40
Skarsnik if it's a python module, maybe you need to call the python packager, if it's a C deps, maybe there is a tool to build the lib, or you can call the distrib installer or whatever
ugexe right, but that doesn't change anything
Skarsnik It change it's very different than handling a Perl 6 dep 16:41
ugexe infact it only reinforces that a single dependency field is needed, unless you want to spec $each_lanage_dependencies : { }
Skarsnik No, just a non-perl6-deps or something
ugexe its not different
what does that change? the python package manager still doesn't understand it 16:42
the topic of handing off responsibility to other package manager (apt-get, cpanm) was also brought up and taken into consideration of this design 16:43
there is also a poc implementation github.com/tony-o/p6-warthog (System::Query) 16:49
nine Skarsnik: why do you think that zef should install Perl 6 dependencies? If they are available as distro package, I'd want zef to let that do the job. Same as with Python or C dependencies. 16:55
Skarsnik gist.github.com/Skarsnik/0c0b88a1f...0b4239d125 hm 16:56
I really not fan of the "gumbo:from<native>"
sjn o/ 17:07
Zoffix \\o
ugexe so write { "name" : "gumbo", "from" : "native", ... }
AlexDaniel . 17:11
yoleaux 10:36Z <gfldex> AlexDaniel: you may want to have a look at irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6-dev/2017-...i_15156473
AlexDaniel gfldex: I noticed that during the squashathon it's best to have short tickets with very clear goals 17:13
gfldex: if we can do that for what you've said, then great 17:14
Skarsnik Finished Net::ZMQ: Fail 17:17
hm does it appears twice on the ecosystem file? x)
Zoffix Skarsnik: looks like it: modules.perl6.org/s/ZMQ 17:19
Skarsnik ho there is 2 candidates 17:20
Zoffix Yeah :) 17:21
Skarsnik I wonder what zef install in this case xD
Zoffix Just said "===> Installing: Net::ZMQ:ver('0.8')" 17:22
Skarsnik oh it takes highter version probably
ugexe both are the same meta file
Zoffix ugexe: no, they aren't. Did you click the dist URLs on MP6.org? They both point to one module, but there are two different modules. 17:23
One github.com/arnsholt/Net-ZMQ and the other github.com/gabrielash/perl6-zmq
(the github icon on the site links to repos directly)
ugexe ah
Zoffix And the handling of same-name-multi-auth still needs to be implemented. I just had no clue where to get the auth info from 17:24
ugexe yeah neither one include it
er i see it is in one of them 17:25
Zoffix Ah, OK. I'll use that and fallback to GitHub username the next time I work on MP6.org 17:26
AlexDaniel Skarsnik: thanks for working on it. <3 17:27
where did my compose key go… :-S 17:28
errr… emacs is now eating it, wtf
“This is a bug. It's fixed in Emacs 24.4.” ahem 17:30
actually, it's my mistake, nvm 17:34
samcv: do we have full unicode 10 support now or are there any missing pieces? 17:45
Geth rakudo/nom: 9f1d03e727 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | docs/ChangeLog
Log some changes

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AlexDaniel releasable6: status 18:03
releasable6 AlexDaniel, Next release in 3 days and ≈0 hours. 1 blocker. Changelog for this release was not started yet
AlexDaniel, Details: gist.github.com/d9374cfd8b247e6c37...cbf8563d12
AlexDaniel ah right… it takes a minute or two for releasable to pull stuff
(relevant github.com/perl6/whateverable/issues/207)
anyway, please take a look at the changelog and see if I logged your changes correctly 18:04
meanwhile I'm taking a nap, have a nice evening everyone
Skarsnik ok reached W for 2017.08 x)
AlexDaniel Skarsnik: \o/ 18:05
Skarsnik: I'll be back in 3-4 hours :)
Skarsnik Time for dinner anyways
I hope it will be finished before 5h
Zoffix Gah, read all the discussion on that blocker, just to get to the end and see lizmat++ already fixed it :) 18:06
Skarsnik: oh, forgot to mention. When I ran the Toaster, some time some modules would never finish testing. I think it's a bug in Proc::Async.kill (or it's just not meant to kill some things) that may or may not be fixed already. 18:08
.tell AlexDaniel commit d0d105b8 can go from the ChangeLog. It was just a refinement over 5db5b1db and the issue it fixes did not exist in previous release. 18:13
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to AlexDaniel.
Skarsnik hm everything fail with nom 18:15
nvm one passed lol
lizmat Zoffix: what did I fix ? 18:26
I wasn't aware I fixed any blockers 18:27
Zoffix lizmat: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=132030 18:29
The close-handles-on-exit thing
lizmat ah, that, yeah, I fixed that 18:30
Zoffix \o/
lizmat wasn't aware that was listed as a blocker :-)
Geth rakudo/nom: 532f709278 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Mu.pm
Oops, forgot to update the vivify shortcut check
 19:04
travis-ci Rakudo build failed. lizmat 'Merge pull request #1155 from sjn/sjn-main-usage 19:25
travis-ci.org/rakudo/rakudo/builds/275074500 github.com/rakudo/rakudo/compare/8...0367b79516
buggable [travis build above] ✓ All failures are due to timeout (0), missing build log (0), GitHub connectivity (0), or failed make test (1). Across all jobs, only t/04-nativecall/12-sizeof.t test file failed.
Skarsnik err 19:26
Geth rakudo/nom: b706b84312 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Mu.pm
Make BUILDALLPLAN and BUILD_LEAST_DERIVED use same internal logic

This might have some effect on "but role" code.		 19:40
rakudo/nom: 963b28d196 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files
Make BUILDPLAN states order more logical

  - group all of the init / set default value states together
  - simplifies build plan creation
  - should not influence execution speed much
  - paves way for more optimizations in the future		 20:15
AlexDaniel FWIW the blocker is probably resolved, but I wouldn't bet on it without toaster results 21:56
yoleaux 18:13Z <Zoffix> AlexDaniel: commit d0d105b8 can go from the ChangeLog. It was just a refinement over 5db5b1db and the issue it fixes did not exist in previous release.
AlexDaniel we can theorize about it as much as we want but I want to see if the modules are actually working 21:57
IIRC whateverables still get stuck in their tests, for whatever reason. Will look into it now
releasable6: status
releasable6 AlexDaniel, Next release in 2 days and ≈21 hours. 1 blocker. 105 out of 122 commits logged
AlexDaniel, Details: gist.github.com/0fa137fd3f4224c88f...151222c940
Geth rakudo/nom: c4043b068d | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | docs/ChangeLog
Log remaining commits

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AlexDaniel Zoffix: thanks 22:23
Skarsnik_ AlexDaniel, here the result : www.nyo.fr/~skarsnik/tmp/toast.sqlite.db look at Toaster instruction to use them ^^ 22:49
I need to go to sleep 22:50
AlexDaniel Skarsnik_: cool, thanks. Will take some time to set it up probably, but I'm on it :) 22:55
it runs! It runs!! 23:18

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