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Perl 6 language and compiler development | Logs at colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/perl6-dev | For toolchain/installation stuff see #perl6-toolchain | For MoarVM see #moarvm Set by Zoffix on 27 July 2018. |
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| AlexDaniel | releasable6: status | 01:05 | |
| releasable6 | AlexDaniel, Next release in ≈3 days and ≈17 hours. 2 blockers. 81 out of 438 commits logged (⚠ 11 warnings) | ||
| AlexDaniel, Details: gist.github.com/975c020fec7433da85...c4e3ee129d | |||
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| lizmat | Files=1248, Tests=76022, 332 wallclock secs (15.31 usr 5.43 sys + 2335.97 cusr 216.07 csys = 2572.78 CPU) | 06:43 | |
| not sure why that is so low | 06:44 | ||
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| pmurias | re "like, it's the job of distro maintainers", aren't packages supposed to be submitted by people who care about them? | 09:28 | |
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| pmurias | AlexDaniel: ^^ having distro packages done by some who is not a Perl 6 user/developer seems like a recipe for disaster | 09:30 | |
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| releasable6 | Next release in ≈3 days and ≈7 hours. 2 blockers. Please log your changes in the ChangeLog: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/ChangeLog-Draft | 11:00 | |
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| nine | Did You Know...? That NativeCall can actually beat Perl 5's Inline::C in terms of performance (5.9 seconds vs. 6.2 seconds in a benchmark)? See niner.name/files/ncspeed.tar for trying yourself. | 11:21 | |
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| timotimo | damn! | 11:50 | |
| runs in 45.6 seconds on my machine, huh. | 11:52 | ||
| oh, it outputs 5.08 though | |||
| nine | The script really tries to measure the bare NC overhead | 11:53 | |
| timotimo | right | 11:54 | |
| but $empty is also just 2.29 | 11:55 | ||
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| Geth | rakudo: d0a8a7af0e | (Julien Simonet)++ | 2 files Throws X::Multi::NoMatch if a proto routine is defined without multis. |
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| rakudo: eb8f608e60 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 2 files Merge pull request #1868 from jsimonet/master Throws X::Multi::NoMatch if a proto routine is defined without multis. |
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| Geth | rakudo: 8abd6c401c | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/set_elem.pm6 Completely defer foo (elem) Rage to Range.ACCEPTS After some discussion with scimon++ |
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| jnthn | Feel the Rage | 13:21 | |
| lizmat | argh bloody apple keyboard :-( | 13:22 | |
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| timotimo | accept the rage that is within you | 13:29 | |
| lizmat_ | grrr :-) | 13:30 | |
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| brrt | apple keyboards are reason enough for rage | 13:32 | |
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| travis-ci | Rakudo build failed. Zoffix Znet 'Merge pull request #1868 from jsimonet/master | 13:44 | |
| travis-ci.org/rakudo/rakudo/builds/416350900 github.com/rakudo/rakudo/compare/2...8f608e60b2 | |||
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| buggable | [travis build above] ☠ Did not recognize some failures. Check results manually. | 13:45 | |
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| Zoffix | lizmat_: is there a link to that discussion? | 13:51 | |
| I wanna read | |||
| The (elem) on Range thing | 13:52 | ||
| m: say 42.5 (elem) 42..55 | 13:53 | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| Zoffix | m: say 42.5 (elem) set 42..55 | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| Zoffix | That feels weird to me. I'm using a setty operator, so I'd expect it to have setty semantics and 42.5 is not a member of the set created from that Range | 13:54 | |
| This was previously mentioned, but I guess wasn't the primary topic of the Issue, so it was never covered by a test: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/15...-371112159 | 13:56 | ||
| I guess the discussion was in meatspace. There's some conf going on right now, eh? | 13:59 | ||
| timotimo | yeah, the one in glasgow | 14:04 | |
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| Zoffix | OK. Filed an RFC Issue R#2217 | 14:07 | |
| synopsebot | R#2217 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2217 [RFC] Any ∈ Range doesn't follow setty semantics | ||
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| Geth | rakudo: 927945dacb | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/set_elem.pm6 Revert "Completely defer foo (elem) Rage to Range.ACCEPTS" This reverts commit 8abd6c401c4bda82e97eb169d0d7419b154f02be. Yeah, that was a thinko. Zoffix++ |
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| lizmat | yeah... in meatspace | 14:16 | |
| but it was a thinko on my part | |||
| oddly enough, it didn't break any spectests :-( | |||
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| Geth | roast: 64f19e837f | (Zoffix Znet)++ | S03-operators/set_elem.t Spec ∈ Range:D Closes github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2217 R#2217 |
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| synopsebot | R#2217 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2217 [RFC][testneeded] Any ∈ Range doesn't follow setty semantics | ||
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| Geth | roast: f9586569a8 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | S03-operators/set_elem.t Add in-range but not elem test for ∈ Range:D |
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| timotimo | i blagged! wakelift.de/2018/08/15/the-first-p...c-release/ | 14:52 | |
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| travis-ci | Rakudo build failed. Elizabeth Mattijsen 'Revert "Completely defer foo (elem) Rage to Range.ACCEPTS" | 15:07 | |
| travis-ci.org/rakudo/rakudo/builds/416379272 github.com/rakudo/rakudo/compare/8...7945dacb7c | |||
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| buggable | [travis build above] ☠ All failures are due to: failed make test (1 failure). Across all jobs, only t/04-nativecall/22-method.t test file failed. | 15:07 | |
| Geth | ¦ rakudo: lizmat self-assigned Issue with smatmatch / ACCEPTS and native ints github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2218 | 15:09 | |
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| AlexDaniel | . | 15:33 | |
| .tell pmurias I'm not following. Debian maintainers do care, and debian doesn't seem to be a disaster. What am I misunderstanding? | 15:35 | ||
| yoleaux | AlexDaniel: I'll pass your message to pmurias. | ||
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| AlexDaniel | releasable6: status | 17:27 | |
| releasable6 | AlexDaniel, Next release in ≈3 days and ≈1 hour. 2 blockers. 81 out of 442 commits logged (⚠ 11 warnings) | ||
| AlexDaniel, Details: gist.github.com/7b528ed42490f963cc...9bf6017229 | |||
| AlexDaniel | \o/ that optimistic feeling :) | 17:28 | |
| Zoffix: you probably know that point already, but perl 6 name is good because it attracts perl 5 people. I myself came to perl 6 because I was using perl5 before that and perl 6 in some sense looked like perl5 but better. | 17:57 | ||
| Zoffix: also there are *lots* of people who used perl5 in the past and liked it (even if they don't use it now), so “perl 6” name can make them feel at home I think | 17:58 | ||
| Zoffix: I'm just rambling: perl 6 is a new language but it's probably easier for people to accept it as a real and serious programming language because it has “perl” in it and they've heard about it. Like there are hundreds of new and unfamiliar language names and most of them are probably not taken seriously | 18:03 | ||
| Zoffix: Having nbsp in the name is fitting for a language that has good unicode support | 18:05 | ||
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| timotimo | i was a perl hater and maybe the polarization kind of gave it a "dangerous" "edgy" vibe | 18:37 | |
| maybe i was just looking for a "bad boy"/"bad girl" programming language to come along and swoop me off my feet and drive off into the sunset with me on a hoverbike | 18:41 | ||
| is there already a cool word for "bad boy/girl" but not implying boy vs girl vs something else | |||
| AlexDaniel | .oO( “Hover” – get hover it ) |
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| samcv: heads up for a release this weekend :) Things look good so far | 18:58 | ||
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| Zoffix | AlexDaniel: TBH, that's probably *the only* thing I heard for why the "perl 6" name is beneficial, but I feel the people are just misinterpreting their own motivations. | 19:30 | |
| AlexDaniel: why didn't you go to CPerl or Perl11 or whatever other Perls are there? I thought I went to Perl 6 because of the name, but in reality it was that my involvent in perl 5 made me aware of a project that was meant to be the "next" version of Perl. I went to check out how it was doing. It's not its name that lured me to Perl 6, it's its history | 19:31 | ||
| AlexDaniel: and accepting as "serious" can be done by slapping Larry's name next to it. "The AwesomeLang, by Larry Wall" | 19:32 | ||
| And having nbsp in the name is a major pain in the ass. | |||
| TBH, I'm fairly disappointed by the responses to twitter.com/zoffix/status/1028977967454666758 | 19:36 | ||
| I was hoping for tough, cogent argumentation and evidence, not anecdotes that all say the same thing (the same argument as above, which I find dubious) | |||
| AlexDaniel` | Zoffix: yeah not saying that these are great | 19:37 | |
| timotimo | i hvae nothing good to contribute, alas | 19:41 | |
| Zoffix | It's not super important, since we're not actually changing the name. I just thought to have "two sides of the story" so to speak, when I write down all the things for Larry to consider for marketing alias for 6.d release. | 19:43 | |
| japhb | Zoffix: I've been around since the Perl 4 days. I moved to Perl 5 and then to Perl 6 about when the previous one drove me nuts. | 19:47 | |
| I no longer enjoy Perl 5 programming, but I still enjoy Perl 6 programming. :-) | |||
| [Coke] | I miss programming! | 19:55 | |
| [Coke] is so old and pointy-haired these days | |||
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| samcv | AlexDaniel`: thanks :) | 20:54 | |
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| MasterDuke | jnthn, timotimo, et al.: any idea why stage optimize of the rakudo build (when using my default-to-int nqp branch) would die here github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...s.pm6#L744 with `Unhandled exception: This type (Scalar) does not support associative operations`? | 21:28 | |
| jnthn | MasterDuke: 'fraid I can't even start to guess at that one; will probably take an amount of debugging | 21:30 | |
| MasterDuke | yeah, that's what's killing me, not even sure where to start the debugging | 21:31 | |
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| jnthn | I'd probably look down the stack trace some, and instrument at strategic points to try and figure out what's going on | 22:08 | |
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