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moritz it might have been mentioned before, but tokio.rs/blog/2019-10-scheduler/ might be interesting for those working on schedulers :D 06:27
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|Tux| Rakudo version 2019.07.1-398-gf3dda96a8 - MoarVM version 2019.07.1-268-g07b00bbd7
csv-ip5xs0.762 - 0.779
csv-ip5xs-206.408 - 6.425
csv-parser21.066 - 21.125
csv-test-xs-200.422 - 0.428
test6.942 - 7.102
test-t1.743 - 1.746
test-t --race0.778 - 0.808
test-t-2029.182 - 30.079
test-t-20 --race9.075 - 9.183
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Is there anything I need to change in Text::CSV to support raku?
lizmat are you using .perl ? 11:42
in the further future, the name of the executable that you're calling
other than that, I don't think anything is being planned on being changed 11:43
off the top of my hat
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AlexDaniel |Tux|: maybe post those timing on #raku-dev from now on :) 12:35
timings*
|Tux|: also if you have mentions of PerlĀ 6 in the readme and elsewhere, you should at least mention Raku if not just Raku 12:36
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[Coke] regarding the raku* channels, is someone like mst on board with permissions or registration or whatever IRC needs? 14:09
lizmat AlexDaniel: ^^ 14:15
AlexDaniel [Coke]: yes
[Coke]: colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_lo...10-14#l302 14:16
[Coke] +1 14:19
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releasable6 Next release in ā‰ˆ4 days and ā‰ˆ3 hours. R6 is down. At least 5 blockers. Please log your changes in the ChangeLog: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/ChangeLog-Draft 15:00
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japhb What is the "R6 is down" message about? 15:50
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AlexDaniel japhb: it's about fail.rakudo.party/ 16:02
japhb: it's no longer relevant because RT tickets will be transferred to github
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lizmat and the last Perl 6 Weekly hits the Net: p6weekly.wordpress.com/2019/10/15/...wineskins/ 16:48
sjn yay! 16:51
rba What was on fail.rakudo.party/ ? 16:59
AlexDaniel rba: perl6 tickets, same as on rt.perl.org/ 17:26
rba: it was just a different interface
rba: it was a single page app, pretty much, so if you're worried about broken links to it you can maybe redirect it somewhere 17:27
in the future it could lead to github.com/perl6/old-issue-tracker
but not now
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timotimo we may want to think about FALLBACK contributing via roles, not just TWEAK and BUILD 21:24
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patrickb Currently the perl6 executable that is run from within the build dir creates a folder structure `../share/perl6/[core,site,vendor]/short`relative to the build directory. This is obviously unwanted. 21:50
I'm pretty sure `src/core.c/CompUnit/RepositoryRegistry setup-repositories()` is to blame. 21:51
I'm not sure what a good fix might be though. We could either detect when perl6 is run from the build dir and special case on that, that sounds unclean to me. Or we hit at perl6 that the repository is located in a folder where it does little harm (e.g. the gen/ folder). 21:54
Any opinions?
s/hit/hint/
I think this bug has been there for a long time, but has previously created that folder structure in the installation path. 21:56
vrurg timotimo: if FALLBACK is a method it'd be copied down to consuming class anyway. 21:57
patrickb: how do you want to hint it?
patrickb It's basically using PERL6_HOME to create the folder structure. A environment variable (could be passed in the perl6-m.c build runner) is enough to point it at a different folder. 21:59
The reason it puts it in ../share/perl6/ is because it tries to determine PERL6_HOME relative to the executable path. But that is wrong when the executable is not located in an installation. 22:00
vrurg patrickb: perhaps, binaries must be created in a subdir? But I foresee some strong opposition to this. 22:02
Though the right thing would be to make blib the build destination for everything. Binaries would the go into blib/bin 22:03
patrickb As long as we don't replicate an installation folder structure inside the build dir we do have to put hacks in to make it work.
vrurg So, we probably must replicate it. 22:04
patrickb This is gonna get lots of opposition. 22:05
vrurg timotimo: I think if we make submethod FALLBACK work in roles there must be a set of strict rules on how mutlple fallbacks are handled. Basically, it would have to be another multidispatch. 22:06
timotimo yeah 22:07
vrurg patrickb: Yes, no doubt.
patrickb Going all the way would mean not only putting the perl6 executable somewhere else, but all the native and p6 libraries just as well.
vrurg timotimo: so, basically, it could be a special case where we implicitly create a proto and proclaim that FALLBACK must always be multi. Then we can just collect them from class roles and send into the proto as candidates. 22:08
patrickb: I think it needs a well made plan and a problem-solving ticket. 22:09
patrickb Do you think it makes sense to add a quick patch that makes it generate the dummy folders in build-dir/gen/ ? 22:10
timotimo a wall-made plan would potentially also do
patrickb Until we arrive at a larger solution?
vrurg patrickb: If there are no urgent complants, I'd leave it as-is for a while. Because there is nothing more permanent than a temporary... 22:11
patrickb Oh! You have that saying in the US as well? 22:12
vrurg patrickb: We have this saying in eastern slavic langs. ;) But it's likely coming from Roman times, I guess.
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patrickb Well, it's placing folders in a random directory of the user. I suspect most people have just wondered where the folders came from, but didn't make the connection. 22:13
AlexDaniel timotimo, patrickb, vrurg: any change we can have these great conversations on #raku-dev? :) 22:15
chance* 22:16
vrurg Oops. I thought we're there. :D
patrickb: let's move on, reallly.
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vrurg timotimo: would join us on #raku-dev? I'd like to ask you a few questions, if you don't mind. 22:19
AlexDaniel also please configure your irc clients to autojoin #raku and #raku-dev and also perhaps remove #perl6 and #perl6-dev from the list :) 22:21
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vrurg I don't see a reason of not autojoining #perl6* until we declare it deprecated and setup a bot to redirect people to the right place in one or another way. 22:24
AlexDaniel vrurg: it's deprecated, leave :P 22:26
vrurg Where is the bot kicking my ass into the right direction? Hedgehog is a lazy bird, not fliying without a kick! :D 22:27
AlexDaniel vrurg: beep boop #raku beep boop
vrurg AlexDaniel: zzzzz... beep-beep-beep... zzzzzzz... :D :D :D 22:28
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