Zoffix If I add RAKUDO_MODULE_DEBUG I get a different error :/ Failed to find 'sources/51E302443A2C8FF185ABC10CA1E5520EFEE885A1' while trying to do '.modified' gist.github.com/zoffixznet/b5c85c9...a7a38f104e 00:42
What the ... This is what's found in the DESTDIR after the error. Notice how it creates paths inside that seem to be made up out of bits of the path where I ran make install :S gist.github.com/zoffixznet/5504f76...80ea9e7b26 00:46
Is 'DESTDIR' even a thing? Shouldn't that be PREFIX? 00:48
nm 00:51
b2gills m: Nil for (1..10⁴⁰).race.map({$/=[.polymod(10 xx *)];$_==sum @$/ X** +$/??$_!!|()}) # I would love to know why this has such a weird error (more than just race being buggy) 02:07
camelia rakudo-moar f19241: OUTPUT«(signal XCPU)Method 'fully-reified' not found for invocant of class 'Mu'␤ in block at <tmp> line 1␤␤Method 'fully-reified' not found for invocant of class 'Mu'␤ in block at <tmp> line 1␤␤Method 'fully-reified' not found for invocant of clas…»
[Tux] This is Rakudo version 2016.05-179-gf192415 built on MoarVM version 2016.05-37-ga126e0f 07:58
test 16.516
test-t 9.365
csv-parser 23.410
tux.nl/Talks/CSV6/images/test-t-22.png I think we can be reasonable happy 08:01
nine Good morning! 08:31
yoleaux2 18 Jun 2016 23:33Z <Zoffix> nine: would you have any idea how to fix this issue? It happens when DESTDIR is specified for make install and it's blocking the release: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6-dev/2016-0...i_12690874
nine Of course I cannot reproduce that here :/ 08:32
FROGGS o/ 10:35
Zoffix nine, even when you're using DESTDIR?
nine Ok, I can reproduce it now when trying to create packages for openSUSE. The difference may already give a hint to what's going wrong.
Zoffix make install works for me just fine, but make DESTDIR='wblahg' install fails. Where dest dir is absolute version for ../perl 10:36
nine Zoffix: I've tried make DESTDIR/tmp/try1 install from my development directory and it went just fine. I even reconfigured with --prefix and it succeeded. I can only reproduce it with rpmbuild 10:37
Zoffix damn 10:38
nine 27 9359 RMD: dependency: 51E302443A2C8FF185ABC10CA1E5520EFEE885A1 sources/51E302443A2C8FF185ABC10CA1E5520EFEE885A1 08B249F191B4AD191965BCA6D327CC1EEA6D4DD5 NativeCall::Types
The relative sources path is a bit strange. It should either be prefixed by a repo name (like perl#/sources/...) or be an absolute path. 10:39
Good news is that I may have a patch that fixes this. Bad news is that NativeCall tests fail when I build the rakudo package 11:04
dalek kudo/nom: 53af022 | niner++ | src/core/CompUnit/Repository/Installation.pm:
Fix rakudo not finding the souce of a dependency in a non-standard repo

Paths to souce files must either be relative to a named repository as in: perl6#sources/123456789ABCDEF or absolute as in /tmp/foo/1234567...
Should fix issues with make DESTDIR=/foo/bar install		 11:07
AlexDaniel [Tux]: perhaps it's time to plot this data on a logarithmic scale :) 11:36
lizmat waves from www.yapcna.org/yn2016/event/1858 13:15
m: for ^10 { say $^_ } # wonder if this should be an error, or just silently assume $_ 13:22
camelia rakudo-moar 53af02: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Redeclaration of symbol $^_ as a placeholder parameter␤at <tmp>:1␤------> for ^10 { say $^_⏏ } # wonder if this should be an error␤»
MasterDuke re irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2016-06-19#i_12692803, the link points to rakudo.org/downloads/star/rakudo-st...16.04.dmg, but the actual filename is rakudo-star-2016-04.dmg 13:35
the filename seems to be wrong, all the other filenames (older versions, different types) in that directory have <year>.<month> 13:36
switching topics entirely, why is 'my @l = <path/to/file>.IO.lines' in perl 6 so much slower than 'open(my $F, "<", <path/to/file>); my @l = <$F>; chomp @l' in perl 5? 13:52
lizmat MasterDuke: we ensure it's valid UTF-8 for one 13:53
stmuk MasterDuke: I'm just fixed that 13:54
I need new glasses :(
mst MasterDuke: the general answer to such questions will tend to be
MasterDuke: (1) because perl6 is doing something more clever with a good reason, and there'll be a low level thing you can call to get something more like the perl5 behaviour 13:55
MasterDuke: (2) because in the run up to freezing for christmas, perl6 focused on optimizability over optimizations, since the former need to be baked into the feature set and then the latter can be added over time
MasterDuke looking at a profile, all the time seems to be in IO::Handle.get, which is pretty simple 13:58
and would lead me to believe any improvement in speed would have to come at the MoarVM level?
mst when I say perl6 I mean rakudo/nqp/MoarVM 14:00
somebody with more clue can give you a more detailed answer
Zoffix It's weird make DESTDIR='blahg' doesn 14:02
MasterDuke fyi, i'm not intending to criticize (i realize perl 6 hasn't had the same # of years to optimize), just find out if it's something i could attemp to work on
Zoffix It's weird make DESTDIR='blahg' doesn't install moar too.
MasterDuke and further down the rakudo->nqp->moarvm chain the less i'm able to do so 14:03
mst MasterDuke: yar, I was more trying to set expectations than anything 14:13
also it's entirely possible that digging down with profilers even if you can't make the optimisation would help somebody else
MasterDuke i must say, i absolutely love that a profiler is built in 14:16
Zoffix All this stresstesting makes me wish I had a meatier box :(
MasterDuke i find myself profiling everything
Zoffix drolls over www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/cat...488_125488
drools too 14:17
MasterDuke same here. i'm starting to find 8gb ram a bit limiting 14:18
Zoffix I have 16GB and I find it limiting ATM (trying to run two VMs at the same time) 14:19
MasterDuke i use some 40 core, 378gb ram machines at $dayjob, would love to have one at home
Zoffix :o
For CAD$1,625.90 I can build a 6-core (12 threads) + 128GB RAM box. Which isn't too bad 14:21
MasterDuke i'm torn. i want to upgrade my cpu/ram/mb, i want a high dpi monitor, i want an htc vive, i want a new snowboard 14:24
AlexDaniel 128 GB RAM hmmm
MasterDuke oh, also video card
AlexDaniel sounds great
MasterDuke i can do one, maybe two of those
but which!?
AlexDaniel you don't really need a drive with such setup :) 14:25
mst at the point where I'm planning to do lots of CPU heavy stuff I think I'll spin up temporary cloud instances
I'd only build a bigass home box if I needed the I/O
Zoffix m: say 1.64 * 48
camelia rakudo-moar 53af02: OUTPUT«78.72␤»
Zoffix m: say 1.44 * 24 14:26
camelia rakudo-moar 53af02: OUTPUT«34.56␤»
Zoffix 20-core Linod box for a day
AlexDaniel Zoffix: some weeks ago I've switched from 3GB to 6GB RAM :) it's kinda nice that I don't have to unswap things when stuff goes wrong 14:27
the reason is that I usually run CPU/memory intensive stuff on my server (where bisectable is running) 14:28
Zoffix t/spec/S02-lists/indexing.t ................................... ok
===( 185;4 10/23 6/50 0/? 0/? 0/? )===========================*** Error in `/home/zoffix/CPANPRC/rakudo/install/bin/moar': double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x00007f744801ec90 ***
:o
oh, never mind. I can't read... it was actually from t/spec/S17-lowlevel/lock.t .................................... Failed 14/23 subtests 14:29
mst Zoffix: GCE 32 vCPU, 120Gb RAM seems to be $5.50 per day
Zoffix Where?
What's GCE
mst google compute engine 14:30
Zoffix Cool.. Will look into that if I'm ever releasing rakudo again :)
mst at some point I'm going to rig something up that lets me spin one of those up for build work 14:31
AlexDaniel not a 12-core but if you want to shell out some money perhaps it makes sense to get a better dedicated server, hm
b2gills There is also Digital Ocean for virtual servers 14:58
mst yeah, DO are most cool too
Woodi how vCPUs compare to CPUs ? :) 15:29
moritz they are more elastic :-) 15:33
mst depends on whether you have noisy neighbours or not, generally 15:38
moritz I guess we are the noisy neighbours around here :-) 15:40
Woodi btw. do you compile things on disk or in ram ? 15:42
moritz on disk 15:43
but the buffer cache means it stays in ram at first
well, it's compiled in ram, then written to disk, but the OS caches the disk write in RAM 15:44
full circle
nine Zoffix: did my patch fix the DESTDIR issue for you? 15:49
Zoffix nine, yup 15:50
nine++
Do you mean an rpm package? <nine> [...] Bad news is that NativeCall tests fail when I build the rakudo package 15:51
nine Zoffix: yes 15:53
Zoffix I'll mention that possibility in the announcement, but I think we can still release. 15:54
Zoffix is running the last stresstest on unpacked tar
nine Zoffix: note that while make test failed during rpmbuild, I can use the installed rpm to install and run panda and Inline::Perl5 15:56
Zoffix Sweet 15:57
lizmat lunch& 16:02
Zoffix I've retested and rebuilt the release package with nine++'s fix. Release PR: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/793 tars: temp.perl6.party/2016.06-release/ 16:52
After the PR is merged, someone with rakudo repo access needs to tag the release
and the tars need to be uploaded to rakudo.org 16:53
dalek Heuristic branch merge: pushed 18 commits to rakudo/nom by lizmat 17:19
lizmat Zoffix: done
Zoffix Sweet. lizmat++
lizmat Zoffix: fwiw, I can't upload tarballs either, jnthn moritz FROGGS can afaik 17:20
Zoffix Someone needs to run this too: git tag -u <your-email> -s -a -m "tag release #100" 2016.16; git push --tags
errr
Someone needs to run this too: git tag -u <your-email> -s -a -m "tag release #100" 2016.06; git push --tags
:)
lizmat my email, or yours ? 17:21
japhb Personally, I think 16 months would be great, if all 4 of the new ones were vacation ....
Zoffix lizmat, yours :)
lizmat well, then I don't need to specify that, do I ? 17:22
Zoffix Oh, I guess not
Zoffix just copy-pasted from the release guide
lizmat argh, I don't have gpg
so someone else needs to do it...
I'm in Damian's course :-)
[Coke] : you around ? 17:23
Zoffix I will see him in 8 days :)
FROGGS I'm here 17:28
lizmat FROGGS: could you tag the release ? 17:29
FROGGS just nom HEAD?
Zoffix Sweet. Are you able to tag the release and upload the tarballs+keys? temp.perl6.party/2016.06-release/
Yeah
FROGGS tagged 17:31
lizmat FROGGS++
Zoffix: just FYI, spectest clean for me
Zoffix Thanks 17:33
FROGGS nqp uploaded 17:34
rakudo uploaded 17:36
Zoffix FROGGS++ thanks a lot!
FROGGS pleasure :o) 17:37
Zoffix++ 17:45
dalek kudo/nom: 1d93adf | lizmat++ | src/core/control.pm:
Make samewith() also work on none-multi's

Inspired by TheDamian's functional bogosort example from the Perl 6 Workshop at The Perl Conference		 17:47
Zoffix And that's it. Finished last step of the release
Zoffix celebrates with the appropriate amount of fun by murdering a bunch of people in Far Cry 4
FROGGS hehe 17:48
lizmat Zoffix++ 17:56
fwiw, the bogosort example: 17:58
sub bogosort(*@list) { [!after] @list ?? @list !! samewith @list.pick(*) } 17:59
the example needed a multi before
Zoffix What's [!after] ? 18:04
lizmat m: say 42 !after 666
camelia rakudo-moar 1d93ad: OUTPUT«True␤»
lizmat m: say [!after] 42,666 18:05
camelia rakudo-moar 1d93ad: OUTPUT«True␤»
Zoffix Ah, now I get it
Thanks
timotimo will samewith give us many callframes in a stack? 18:30
lizmat yeah, for now, it just adds callframes 18:31
in the future, hopefully not :-)
timotimo yay
jnthn With the caveat that someone's gotta design and write the logic to check it's not needed :-) 18:44
lizmat "in the future" :-) 18:45
moritz Zoffix: if you /msg me a ssh pubkey, I can add it to rakudo.org for you 18:46
Zoffix moritz, last one in the list: github.com/zoffixznet.keys 18:48
moritz Zoffix: you should now be able to ssh to [email@hidden.address] 18:50
Zoffix Works. Thanks, moritz++
jnthn lizmat: btw, getting the return changes ported to JVM took more time than expected, so didn't get to look into nameds and multi-caching just yet. 18:52
Plan to look in the next few days, as well as start looking into hyper/race
lizmat jnthn: cool! :-) 18:55
Zoffix m: sub postfix:<⁰º> { say $^a }; say 2⁰º¹⁰ 19:17
camelia rakudo-moar 1d93ad: OUTPUT«2␤1␤»
Zoffix oh, two says... I thought there were a bug 19:22
m: sub infix:<+> { [$^a, $^b] }; say 2+⁹¹⁰ 19:25
camelia rakudo-moar 1d93ad: OUTPUT«[2 3486784401]␤»
Zoffix m: sub infix:<+> { [$^a, $^b] }; say 2+¹⁰
camelia rakudo-moar 1d93ad: OUTPUT«[2 1]␤»
Zoffix m: sub infix:<+> { [$^a, $^b] }; say 2+⁰
camelia rakudo-moar 1d93ad: OUTPUT«[2 0]␤»
Zoffix :S
m: sub infix:<+> { [$^a, $^b] }; say 2+⁹⁹¹⁰
camelia rakudo-moar 1d93ad: OUTPUT«[2 2294476371992180765796336392059464475488556595672096606348636582774505268492131019873809154452049089072384430715158203166898748858912919529376258202366553002451202043854328895833407639020439342007502942577141701582582003616314512684556225471683197867920…»
Zoffix m: say ⁹⁹¹⁰ 19:26
camelia rakudo-moar 1d93ad: OUTPUT«2294476371992180765796336392059464475488556595672096606348636582774505268492131019873809154452049089072384430715158203166898748858912919529376258202366553002451202043854328895833407639020439342007502942577141701582582003616314512684556225471683197867920589…»
Zoffix m: say 9 ** 910
camelia rakudo-moar 1d93ad: OUTPUT«2294476371992180765796336392059464475488556595672096606348636582774505268492131019873809154452049089072384430715158203166898748858912919529376258202366553002451202043854328895833407639020439342007502942577141701582582003616314512684556225471683197867920589…»
Zoffix interesting
ilmari_ m: say ² # root of the problem 19:58
camelia rakudo-moar 1d93ad: OUTPUT«2␤»
dalek ar: 02fd148 | (Steve Mynott)++ | ports/darwin_dmg/package_darwin_dmg.pl:
correct final DMG name
 20:20
Zoffix IMO it'd make more sense for ⁹⁹¹⁰ == 9910 than 9 ** 910 20:24
lizmat m: say ²⁹ 20:25
camelia rakudo-moar 1d93ad: OUTPUT«512␤»
lizmat yeah, not making sense
Zoffix or die 20:27
lizmat yeah, should probably be a compile time fail
AlexDaniel that's an old issue 20:28
#126732 20:29
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=126732
AlexDaniel was rakudobugged the same day superscripts were implemented :)
b2gills Dangit ... of course I had to run the bogosort example that lizmat posted, and then forget about it until after my computer started to get reeeaally slow 20:53
lizmat hehe... 20:57

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