MasterDuke_ don't think i tried just removing that check altogether though... 00:00
samcv do i need qt5-base 00:01
MasterDuke_ i think? it was a while ago i was messing around with that
samcv ok. i checked it out of the svn
just search for 1<<27? 00:02
MasterDuke_ it's line 639 of some file 00:03
samcv that's very specific
MasterDuke_ going off of what timotimo pasted, i assume he grabbed the line number from vim 00:04
samcv oh
ok i found 1<<27
on exactly that line. heh
timotimo here comes the hang 00:05
cpu usage has drastically decreased, unsurprisingly 00:07
samcv nice
timotimo what's nice about that? :D
samcv the cpu usage decreased
timotimo well ... yeah ... because it's waiting for data to be shoveled in from swap and back again
samcv oh. lol. 00:08
!
timotimo d'oh, it's reaching the amount of swap i have soon
6.7g of 8.25g
samcv uh oh. you need more swap
timotimo i do
samcv i used up 16GB maybe more
no more than 18GB tho
timotimo writing profiler output!!!
samcv yep :) 00:09
MasterDuke_, gonna try removing all the checks that seem sane to remove 00:21
cause some things like failure to realloc or malloc can trigger documenttoolarge errors, so i didn't touch those ones though
MasterDuke_ in qt?
samcv yes
but commented out a few places that seemed arbitrary
MasterDuke_ interested to see what you find 00:22
timotimo i want to go to bed soon ... but the thing is still running :|
samcv go to bed. it might be done in an hour
timotimo hah.
in theory it'd be faster because i'm throwing out list items and hash keys/values while creating the json 00:23
so consecutive gc runs will have slightly less work
oh, huh, the json file is still at 0 bytes?
MasterDuke_ if it's better can do the same for to_sql
samcv argh still too large document 00:24
timotimo samcv: one idea is to switch from a JSONDocument-like API to a stream-like API
where the size of the document is practically irrelevant
samcv yeah
let's just do a memory dump 00:25
like microsoft word does
sorry that made only 1/4 of sense. ignore that
timotimo kch kch kch
geekosaur word hasn't done that in a while 00:27
I am pretty sure the xml-ish format they use now is not what they have in memory :)
samcv yeah they don't anymore
timotimo nah, they still dump the memory, but they put some random xml tags around pieces of it :P
samcv hahaha 00:28
geekosaur also they've actually been addressing the "but it doesn't behave the same on windows vs. mac"
(I still suspect it's because they switched to the mac version as the main one... because the old one was a horrid trainwreck that derailed development of windows 8 because some of their streamlining uncovered bugs that had been patched around in the OS during the "office is our cash cow, office devs an do anything they want" phase.) 00:30
timotimo i think swap usage is slowly dropping 00:31
samcv just wait
timotimo it'll end up being at like 0.05% cpu usage
samcv i had that happen then after it went down for a while it went back up. has it actually started outputting the json?
timotimo let's see.
nah, still 0 bytes
doesn't help that i'm also creating a new swapfile on one of the disks where there's already an active swapfile 00:32
oh wow 00:34
why not update my laptop's packages on the side
just a download of 1.3 gigs
Disk Requirements: 00:40
At least 169MB more space needed on the / filesystem.
i've got so much swap now 00:44
MasterDuke_ .tell pmurias i think NQP_VERBOSE_EXCEPTIONS=1 is what gives better jvm errors 00:58
yoleaux MasterDuke_: I'll pass your message to pmurias.
MasterDuke_ .tell [Coke] i think NQP_VERBOSE_EXCEPTIONS=1 is what gives better jvm errors
yoleaux MasterDuke_: I'll pass your message to [Coke].
MasterDuke_ .tell TimToady i think NQP_VERBOSE_EXCEPTIONS=1 is what gives better jvm errors 00:59
yoleaux MasterDuke_: I'll pass your message to TimToady.
samcv well i got it to 14% of my mem usage (qt) 01:01
and then i get too large document error
MasterDuke_ m: say 1: 03:21
camelia HERE:
- sym: :
- O:

1
MasterDuke_ bisectable6: say 1:
bisectable6 MasterDuke_, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=241831e) because on both starting points the exit code is 0
MasterDuke_, bisect log: gist.github.com/32e2abe320c388f3c4...b23eafa2b7
MasterDuke_, There are 20 candidates for the first ā€œnewā€ revision. See the log for more details
MasterDuke_ bisectable6: old=2017.03 say 1: 03:22
bisectable6 MasterDuke_, Bisecting by output (old=2017.03 new=241831e) because on both starting points the exit code is 0
MasterDuke_, bisect log: gist.github.com/8ec0603f10e4f5573e...dc4ca9c07e
MasterDuke_, There are 20 candidates for the first ā€œnewā€ revision. See the log for more details
MasterDuke_ c: 2017.03,HEAD say 1: 03:23
committable6 MasterDuke_, Ā¦2017.03: Ā«1Ā» Ā¦HEAD(241831e): Ā«HERE:ā¤- sym: :ā¤- O: ā¤ā¤1Ā»
MasterDuke_ this ^^^ was talked about over in #perl6, github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/....nqp#L4504 introduced in github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/cd...a1c4018b7b 03:25
Geth nqp: e843d339bc | MasterDuke17++ | docs/ops.markdown
Alphabetize the ops and use consistent wording
 03:35
rakudo/nom: c9ebfc2023 | TimToady++ | src/Perl6/Grammar.nqp
remove inadvertent debugging line
 03:46
TimToady guesses that probably snuck in at some point due to hitting 'u' one too many times in vim, since it certainly wasn't part of the uncurse effort... 03:53
yoleaux 02:42Z <MasterDuke_> TimToady: if you backlog here irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2017-04-18#i_14443061, was this intended?
TimToady probably one of the earlier 'useless use' thingies that I backed into 03:55
course, I'm starting to get to the age where I can just blame brainrot... 03:56
nine YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH! I just managed for the first time to run Inline::Perl5's test suite using moarvm, nqp, rakudo _and_ Inline::Perl5 installed from RPM packages. 05:37
This is it! The culmination of 16 months of working on precomp stuff
Yesterday evening I was already so close. I got the RPM to work with my manually compiled rakudo but not with the one installed from the RPM. Turns out I had a workaround in that package that deleted the precomp files for CompUnit::Repository::Staging itself. 05:38
Looks like I don't need that workaround anymore :) 05:39
Now the work on packaging Perl 6 modules and submitting to openSUSE can start in earnest. And now that deployment is sorted out we can start using Perl 6 and Inline::Perl5 in production at work. 05:43
samcv yay! 05:44
nine, yay
bartolin very nice, nine++ 05:46
TimToady do we need a point release? prolly need one for my debugging flub anyway... 05:59
people are likely to have used 'method $obj: @args' in the ecosystem 06:00
TimToady is a little surprised no test caught this, but I guess the harness just tends to ignore stderr 06:02
samcv ok so i got my appimage build attempting to install every module 06:04
into an appimage
nine TimToady: no, I'm lucky. The workaround was in my .spec file :)
samcv still going travis-ci.org/samcv/rakudo-appimag...9739#L2701 not sure how long will take to finish or the best way to record which were uninstallable. 06:05
TimToady darn, I was hoping I wouldn't be the only reason for a point release :)
samcv so i can make some sort of uh. ecosystem warning system idk
bartolin .tell Zoffix unfortunatly 9d8e391f3b (rakudo) does not work on JVM: Unknown encoding 'utf8-c8'. One option would be to add a workaround for JVM there ...
yoleaux bartolin: I'll pass your message to Zoffix.
samcv it installs them not as an appimage but before it's made btw. so that affects the results not 06:06
i guess i can make it a gh-pages thing like i did for the appimages and for moarvm coverage
hopefully travis ci doesnn't stop the build before everything is installed. if it does i'll probably have to split the build up or something
also nine you know about modules. is there a file that would be best to look at after i have tried to install all the modules, so i can get a list of what actualy installed and compare it to the full list? 06:14
TimToady .tell Zoffix We'll probably need a point release before doing Star, 'cuz I screwed up the 'new Foo: ...' syntax by leaving a debugging line in (after worrying about all the heavy stuff, wouldn'tchya know it'd be something stupid) 06:28
yoleaux TimToady: I'll pass your message to Zoffix.
samcv ruh roh 06:29
TimToady, what's a good percentage of eco modules acceptable to be failing 06:31
out of the total
i mean 0 would be nice but seems a bit unrealistic
TimToady um, 0 would be good :0
I suppose it depends on why they're failing
samcv well they shouldn't fail. i mean 06:32
not a good thing
TimToady if they're failing due to extraneous debugging info, well, I know where that came from :)
samcv hm
TimToady if they don't like the new I/O for some reason, that's something else
samcv so far IO::Prompter, Math::ContinuedFractions, List::Utils, Text::Diff, BioInfo:ver('0.4.3'):auth('Matt Oates'), Math::PascalTriangle:ver('0.1.0'), DateTime::Math Flower, Hinges
TimToady if they happen to think Cursor and Match are different types, well... 06:33
samcv are failing. out of those travis has tested
travis-ci.org/samcv/rakudo-appimag...9739#L3524 what is this. possibly recent change?
t/math.t ..1/17Ambiguous call to 'infix:<->'; these signatures all match: 06:34
:(DateTime:D \a, DateTime:D \b)
:(DateTime:D $a, DateTime:D $b)
that doesn't sound that great
TimToady dunno, but if DateTime is malfing, that could easily take down a number of other modules 06:36
samcv yea
[Tux] This is Rakudo version 2017.04-2-gc9ebfc202 built on MoarVM version 2017.04
csv-ip5xs 3.182
test 12.651
test-t 5.111 - 5.118
csv-parser 13.127
RabidGravy BTW, I testted all of mine on Saturday so that's about 7% passing :)
samcv hehehe you have 7% of all modules?
o.O 06:37
TimToady well, we could've broken them since Saturday :)
samcv some of the have no plan in tap output 06:38
list::util has t/08-combinations.t ....42/?Type check failed in binding; expected Positional but got Seq ((["a", "b", "c"],
RabidGravy yeah 7.63% it appears ;-)
samcv heh my job has now been terminated X|
will have to randomize which modules go each time. or maybe split them up between two jobs idk 06:39
RabidGravy it was over 10% at some point last year, but I slowed down
TimToady well, maybe we'd better see the downstream fallout over the next day or two; a lot of people hacked on a lot of things over the last month 06:43
RabidGravy: did yours all work, or did you have to tweak 'em?
RabidGravy a couple of tweaks, the symlink semantics bit in one place and there was something with IO::Path.append that needed more coercing 06:46
TimToady Math::ContinuedFractions appears not to download from github
RabidGravy nothing like "lexical import" though
TimToady huh, can't get IO::Prompter either, maybe my zef is screwed up or too old 06:47
or maybe github is screwy at the moment 06:49
samcv well it installed or tried to install 95 modules 06:56
so that's not bad for one travis run. we have 700 right?
just gonna need at least 7 travis builds XD
86 pass and 11 fail. so 06:59
that's not good statistics so far :O
nine samcv: I'm not sure I understood your question 07:03
samcv uhm. there's a json file that keeps track of what's installed right. as far as modules goes?
here's the test results gist.github.com/samcv/835b0640ef91...771e230b6e
RabidGravy 812 07:04
samcv so that's an 8.8% failure rate out of the modules it had time to install
RabidGravy, modules total?
RabidGravy yeah 07:06
phew, none of mine in the FAIL list
;-)
samcv time to uhm. i guess. split it into 10 builds 07:07
i'll sort the modules alphabetically and then choose 1/10 of a section to try and install
nine samcv: Well there's a dist's meta data that's stored in the repo. But I'm not sure what exactly you're after. What do you mean by "full list"?
samcv what is installed
a list of everything installed i can process programically 07:08
though i could do zef list --installed i guess. maybe that's the best way? but i do want to know the file it's stored in too. since that with help with other things
nine m: say $*REPO.next-repo.installed>>.meta 07:09
camelia ({auth => github:niner, author => github:niner, authors => [Stefan Seifert], depends => [LibraryMake], description => Use Perl 5 code in a Perl 6 program, files => {resources/libraries/p5helper => 2F6B236B77BC9D0E77C1B73DBAFA53E81D238E83.so}, license => ā€¦
nine samcv: ^^^
samcv thx 07:12
TimToady IO::Prompter is using ancient syntax ('as') in a signature
Math::ContinuedFractions appears to just be producing wrong results 07:13
Text::Diff is failing with: No such method 'succ' for invocant of type 'List' 07:14
so seems to be a variety of reasons 07:15
samcv yeah 07:16
Zoffix . 07:39
yoleaux 06:05Z <bartolin> Zoffix: unfortunatly 9d8e391f3b (rakudo) does not work on JVM: Unknown encoding 'utf8-c8'. One option would be to add a workaround for JVM there ...
06:28Z <TimToady> Zoffix: We'll probably need a point release before doing Star, 'cuz I screwed up the 'new Foo: ...' syntax by leaving a debugging line in (after worrying about all the heavy stuff, wouldn'tchya know it'd be something stupid)
Zoffix Cool. I don't think NeuralAnomaly knows how to do point releases, so I get to keep my skills sharp by doing it... *dun-tun-tun*... by hand! 07:40
.tell AlexDaniel something's wrong with committable6. Doesn't respond. I tried running ./verify-and-unfuck but it seems to just sit there; I tried deleting the "deleteme" file; but nothign helped 07:42
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to AlexDaniel.
nine Oh and once we've got all Perl 6 modules in the Open Build Service, we could use that for smoke testing the whole ecosystem. Because the build service will rebuild packages on changes to their dependencies. 07:44
Zoffix Heh. Google doesn't want us to do a point release apparently: "Starting VM instance "perlbuild2" failed. Error: The zone 'projects/perl6-build/zones/us-east1-b' does not have enough resources available to fulfill the request. Try a different zone, or try again later."
AlexDaniel: you have a robomessage 07:47
AlexDaniel .
yoleaux 07:43Z <Zoffix> AlexDaniel: something's wrong with committable6. Doesn't respond. I tried running ./verify-and-unfuck but it seems to just sit there; I tried deleting the "deleteme" file; but nothign helped
Zoffix And it pinged out like 1 min ago 07:48
AlexDaniel hmm these aren't the files you should use for such situation, actually XD
Zoffix AlexDaniel: also, is there a ./stop-all ?
AlexDaniel dammit I have to clean it up
Zoffix :}
AlexDaniel Zoffix: yes, it is ļ½¢rakudobrew build moarļ½£ 07:49
Zoffix :o 07:50
AlexDaniel hm, it failed it on HEAD
which was 4 hours ago
e: say 42 07:51
ah-ha
samcv i can't report issues here github.com/colomon/io-prompter 07:53
there's no issues tab X|
Zoffix hm... I see no option to switch zone for my VM... :S 07:54
AlexDaniel c: HEAD^ say 42
committable6 AlexDaniel, Ā¦HEAD^: Ā«42Ā»
AlexDaniel c: HEAD say 42
committable6 AlexDaniel, Ā¦HEAD(c9ebfc2): Ā«No build for this commitĀ»
Zoffix samcv: just make a fake PR and describe issue there, along with saying Issues tab is disabled
AlexDaniel alright, this should fix itself ā‰ˆ3 minutes 07:55
Zoffix c: 2017.04 class Foo {}; $ = new Foo:
committable6 Zoffix, Ā¦2017.04: Ā«HERE:ā¤- sym: :ā¤- O: ā¤Ā»
AlexDaniel oh noes
Zoffix ehehe. This is so funny :)
AlexDaniel this isā€¦ horrible actually
Zoffix It's a new feature, to... um... discourage people from using that notation :P 07:56
AlexDaniel are we going to have a 2017.04.01 to fix that? 07:57
Zoffix Yup. As soon as manage to power on a VM 07:58
It's 4AM, I guess everyone's running nightly stuff, which is why the zone is too busy :| 07:59
Zoffix tries creating a new VM in another zone, hoping to hook up the same drive to it 08:00
Don't see an option. Stupid google 08:03
samcv omg this module is so bad 08:07
Type check failed in binding to parameter '$in'; expected IO but got <anon|94140617225856> (<anon|94140617225856>...)
io::prompter. with `:d(:$default) as Str = "",` as a parameter 08:08
at least fixing that parameter makes more than 0 tests pass? 08:09
AlexDaniel e: say 42 08:10
evalable6 42
AlexDaniel alright
Zoffix: thanks!
Zoffix ugh, this is really annoying. 08:13
No easy way to move to new zone or even make the VM non-ephemeral. 08:14
or detach a drive from one VM to use on another 08:15
samcv ok will have to fix some IO related stuff in this module 08:17
arghhh 08:19
Zoffix ... "Starting VM instance "perlbuild2-non-preemptive" failed. Error: A required resource is not available."
And it deleted the VM I was trying to create.. wtf :(
samcv class StubIO is IO
ok. i think i can safely change these to IO::Handle's too 08:20
now all but one test file works 08:23
Zoffix YEY! I'm in :) Had to bump down the CPUs to 8 08:26
samcv checked another one off. gist.github.com/samcv/835b0640ef91...771e230b6e 08:30
of failing modules 08:31
can we get an intern
Zoffix samcv: what's this stuff?
samcv failing modules :X
just made a PR due to IO breakage from that one module
Zoffix samcv: but what's with the selection of modules? How were they selected? 08:32
samcv uh. not purposefully. 08:33
they are just only the ones that completed/failed before travis ended the build
i tried to install every single module
Zoffix, can you or somebody write me some code to divide an array holding all 700 or so module names into sections?
so i can set an ENV variable to a number (number of builds) and another to which build it is. 08:34
Zoffix m: my @a = 1..10; dd @a.rotor: @a/5, :partial
camelia ((1, 2), (3, 4), (5, 6), (7, 8), (9, 10)).Seq
samcv so NUM_BUILDS=10 then it splits the array into 10 sections
Zoffix m: my @a = 1..10; dd @a.rotor: @a/3, :partial
camelia ((1, 2, 3), (4, 5, 6), (7, 8, 9), (10,)).Seq
samcv and BUILD_NUM=2 then it needs the 2nd section of that array
and only build that section. and also make sure that the 10th or last one will get ones that are in addition to the divisor 08:35
err remainder type things
hm
that seems good
thank you kindly. :partial is critical :) did not know that one. was trying to hack something and it ended up being error prone
Zoffix m: %*ENV<NUM_BUILDS BUILD_NUM> = 10, 2; my @a = 1..100; dd (@a.rotor: @a/(%*ENV<NUM_BUILDS>-1), :partial)[%*ENV<BUILD_NUM>] 08:36
camelia (23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33)
samcv m: %*ENV<NUM_BUILDS BUILD_NUM> = 10, 10; my @a = 1..100; dd (@a.rotor: @a/(%*ENV<NUM_BUILDS>-1), :partial)[%*ENV<BUILD_NUM>] 08:37
camelia Nil
samcv m: %*ENV<NUM_BUILDS BUILD_NUM> = 9, 10; my @a = 1..100; dd (@a.rotor: @a/(%*ENV<NUM_BUILDS>-1), :partial)[%*ENV<BUILD_NUM>]
camelia Nil
samcv m: %*ENV<NUM_BUILDS BUILD_NUM> = 10, 9; my @a = 1..100; dd (@a.rotor: @a/(%*ENV<NUM_BUILDS>-1), :partial)[%*ENV<BUILD_NUM>] 08:38
camelia (100,)
samcv m: %*ENV<NUM_BUILDS BUILD_NUM> = 10, 8; my @a = 1..100; dd (@a.rotor: @a/(%*ENV<NUM_BUILDS>-1), :partial)[%*ENV<BUILD_NUM>]
camelia (89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99)
samcv m: %*ENV<NUM_BUILDS BUILD_NUM> = 10, 1; my @a = 1..100; dd (@a.rotor: @a/(%*ENV<NUM_BUILDS>-1), :partial)[%*ENV<BUILD_NUM>]
camelia (12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22)
samcv m: %*ENV<NUM_BUILDS BUILD_NUM> = 10, 0; my @a = 1..100; dd (@a.rotor: @a/(%*ENV<NUM_BUILDS>-1), :partial)[%*ENV<BUILD_NUM>]
camelia (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11)
Geth rakudo/nom: 88a6facc81 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | src/core/IO/Path.pm
Undo IO::Path.resolve fix on JVM

Seems it doesn't know about ut8-c8 yet, so swap JVM to use the pre-fix code.		 08:39
roast: 6fc4cf833d | (Zoffix Znet)++ | integration/weird-errors.t
Test there is no unwanted output with `new Foo:`
 09:00
rakudo/nom: c8cb6a61fa | (Zoffix Znet)++ | docs/ChangeLog
Log 2017.04.1 changes
rakudo/nom: 7eb37996a3 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | docs/announce/2017.04.1.md
Add 2017.04.1 Release Announcement
 09:02
rakudo/nom: e49b3728a8 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | VERSION
[release] bump VERSION to 2017.04.1
 09:03
Zoffix Does changelog in emailed release announcements always looks this messed up? www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6....15215.html 09:18
Seems multi-line entries have the 1..* lines flush to left margin instead of indented :S
Looks fine in my email reader :/ 09:19
awww... 09:24
Looks like the rakudo.org/downloads/rakudo/ script doesn't know how to handle point releases either...
Hope I can fix it in time... I need to wake up for work in 35 minutes 09:26
I guess it's 'cause PHP's glob sorts it that way :| 09:27
Done. 09:55
Geth rakudo/nom: 7e826f434d | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | docs/announce/2017.04.1.md
It's not the future yet.
 09:58
Zoffix "You had one job" :)
And that file made it into the tarball. Brilliant.
At least the filename is right 09:59
Annndd cut 10:01
Zoffix celebrates with appropriate amount of fun
.tell bartolin Thanks. Fixed by undoing the bugfix for JVM: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/88...01e97181f4 10:03
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to bartolin.
Zoffix .tell TimToady point release cut. We also discovered a bug on our downloads page that didn't sort point releases correctly. So this was all beneficial :)
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to TimToady.
jnthn nine: On Rakudo latest I'm seeing: 10:06
An exception occurred while evaluating a constant
at /home/travis/build/edumentab/rmtly/site#sources/F6A76DDBC4B3F739D1B0D02B0403CF4AEB0CBC07 (Digest::SHA1::Native):5
Exception details: No such method 'absolute' for invocant of type '<anon|863819600>'
That line is github.com/bduggan/p6-digest-sha1-...ive.pm6#L5
I think you changed something in this area recently? 10:07
samcv jnthn, i'm getting all the eco modules tested 10:08
well trying. i split it into 10 pieces to have travis ci do 10:09
so hopefully then we can get numbers for every single module
thanks Zoffix for helping me with rotor, it's working beautifully so far 10:10
jnthn Sounds nice 10:12
samcv very slow. but. will be a good starting point. and hopefully can get it so all builds complete 10:13
and then maybe upload the logs or something somewhere, or process them idk
one step at a time
though it seems impossible to install every module within 50 minute time frame for travis :( though i could hack it and commit a tar.gz to a branch, then trigger another build by commiting it 10:15
until they're all actually intstalled.
Zoffix "...On Rakudo latest I'm seeing..." 10:22
Sounds like it's a good thing I ensured the download page works right even when there's more than one point release :}
Oh cool. The last 3 releases all happened on the same day of the month (if we assume today's point release is the release for this month) 10:33
Geth rakudo/nom: 41bb79c9ea | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | docs/release_guide.pod
List 2017.04.1 in past releases list

  - Also, fix the date for 2017.04 release
nine jnthn: indeed, that's caused by github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/d4...9656c28232 :/ 10:35
jnthn That very line was changed some days back from .abspath :) 10:38
nine Wouldn't have mattered. Fix coming up
Zoffix \o/ 10:39
nine Do we have something like Moose's "handles" for delegating a whole bunch of methods?
Zoffix: that's definitely something for the point release 10:40
Zoffix no problem
nine TimToady will be happy that he now has company :)
Zoffix :)
jnthn nine: yes, it's called handles :) 10:41
nine Or...maybe I should just mixin the Callable stuff. That way we stay very close to the original IO::Path object
Ah, no that's not possible as the point of the exercise is to defer creating the path in the first place 10:42
Haha, "handles" is excruciatingly well documented ;) docs.perl6.org/language/glossary#i...ry-handles 10:43
Zoffix nine: docs.perl6.org/language/typesystem...it-handles 10:44
nine Ok, I will delegate these method calls: Str gist perl absolute is-absolute relative is-relative parts volume dirname basename extension open resolve slurp lines comb split words copy 10:48
I.e. everything that handles the path name itself or does read access on the file. I better not delegate anything related to permissions or modification of the file. 10:49
Now how can I lazily initialize this attribute? 10:53
Zoffix = do {} ? 10:54
Ah no
m: use nqp; class Foo { my $def; nqp::bindattr($def, Scalar, '$!whence', {say "inited"}); has $.foo := $def; }.new.foo 10:57
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Cannot use := to initialize an attribute
at <tmp>:1
------> 3nce', {say "inited"}); has $.foo := $def7ā5; }.new.foo
Zoffix shrugs
nine I guess I have to use a Proxy? 10:58
Zoffix leaves for work
ping me when it's time to cut the point release 10:59
nine m: class Foo { has $.foo handles <bar>; method BUILD() { $!foo = Proxy.new(FETCH => method () { note "initing foo"; class :: { method bar() { "bar" } }.new }, STORE => method () { die }) } }; my $foo = Foo.new; say $foo.bar; say $foo.foo; 11:01
camelia initing foo
bar
<anon|60446032>.new
Zoffix m: use nqp; class Foo { has $.foo is rw; submethod TWEAK { nqp::bindattr($!foo, Scalar, '$!whence', {say "inited"}); } }.new.foo = 42
camelia inited
Zoffix hm, assignment works, but not reading
m: use nqp; class Foo { has $.foo; method foo { $!foo //= do {say "inited"; 42} } }; my $n = Foo.new; say "started"; dd $n.foo; dd $n.foo 11:02
camelia started
inited
42
42
nine But methods delgated by "handles" won't go through the accessor 11:04
Zoffix nine: BTW, I've seen some comments in IO source about not being able to use `handles` in core. So you might want to test it out first
nine on it
AlexDaniel hm, interesting 11:16
c: releases say 42
committable6 AlexDaniel, Ā¦releases (18 commits): Ā«42Ā»
AlexDaniel ā€¦ that's not what I meant!
c: releases say rand
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/be6a6a39422634b94f...d94b2a8c8b 11:17
AlexDaniel oh, what a good bot!
picked up 2017.04.1 automatically
AlexDaniel pets committable6
11 secondsā€¦ that's getting slow 11:26
.oO( can we stop making releases so that I don't have to fix committable6? :P )
 11:27
Zoffix nine, looking at that error message; perhaps that class should have some name. And we should document its methods, so people would know what they can and can't call on the %?RESOURCES stuff
samcv ok we're at at 18 failed modules now gist.github.com/samcv/835b0640ef91...771e230b6e 11:28
i have links for all 18 of them to logs of the failures
for convenience
more often used ones i moved to the top like datetime::utils datetime::math, list::Utils, then there's several math ones too 11:29
i gotta go to bed. all the travis builds have not completed yet. and looks like i'm going to have to make more than 10 builds to build all modules or maybe calculate dependencies some way to split them up differently... 11:30
anddd. why the hell not split it up into 20 builds! travis-ci.org/samcv/rakudo-appimag.../223119055 so will find out when i wake up what happened with that hahahaha 11:36
20? why not 100! abuse travis for all it's got!
AlexDaniel Zoffix: by the way, can I do 2017.06 release? (that is, a release after the next one) I'm just thinking that the current situation with you doing every release doesn't affect the bus factor positivelyā€¦ what do you think? 11:39
samcv also is it ok to have an issue open at github.com/perl6/ecosystem with failed modules so others can also edit it with updates? 11:40
discussion etc etc
AlexDaniel samcv: why not?
samcv very yes
will open issue
AlexDaniel I've noticed that if you explicitly say that people are encouraged to edit your post, people will actually do it 11:41
Zoffix samcv: the amusing part is you were also the person complaining about travis aborting builds, presumably because it was under heavy load :)
samcv yeah well. if it does 50 minutes that's fine. it tried hard
but i have seen it abort after like 27 minutes before
but also ;) 11:42
if they want they can throttle my builds or whatever :\ i mean
i'm seeing the same modules in like all 10 builds failing. so things must depend o nthem 11:44
well at least one thing from each part of the alphabet
Zoffix AlexDaniel: not a fan of the idea TBH.
samcv i mean it needs to go somewhere. 11:45
nine Holy crap. Seems like I've even broken Inline::Perl5's test suite when it's _not_ installed from an RPM package
samcv :X
AlexDaniel Zoffix: sure, why?
Zoffix nine, pretty sure it installed fine with zef when I cut 2017.04.1
nine Ok, only when I apply the change that should fix it for packaging. 11:46
samcv ok well here we go. github.com/perl6/ecosystem/issues/318 i'm fine to remove it if there's somewhere that it can go instead that people might actually participate in it 11:48
maybe someday i can scrape git's email addresses and mass email the most recent commiters :X 11:49
might be annoying. haha. probably not gonna reort to that yet 11:50
o/ night 11:56
Zoffix AlexDaniel: sort of "aint broke don't fix it thing." I got into routine with releases; it works. Not a single release issue in 9 nonths. So why change it? There is no bus factor, as the entire process is documented in step by step. So when I die, exact same proceedure would need to be followed as right now for you to learn to release. 11:57
+ we've been using the same key to sign releases, now it'd have to be different? Since I can't give you passphrase for mine; or was the plan to have me poweron the VM and kick the bot off safemode and you to just tell it to cut? 12:03
+ it'd have to be a bot doing it with my github account, 'cause you don't have rakudo's commit bit 12:04
+ I've seen some poor attention to detail in releases of other projects; if you happen to be the same type of person, it'd annoy me to have poor attention to detail in rakudo's releases 12:05
+ I don't like change :)
+ I don't like inconsistency 12:07
+ I need to add stuff to perl6.fail to make changelog generation more automatic
Interesting... GCE still tells me not enough resources in zone to power on a 24-core box. First time it's like that during day hours :o 12:21
And what's really annoying: fine, there aren't any resources, I'll try again later... But it *deletes* the VM I've just created because it couldn't power it on after creation. 12:22
nine Passing a Callable to the "is native" trait is a great way to defer the creation of the path to the shared lib till runtime. It just has one drawback: NativeCall's guess_library_name will use the result of calling this object as-is and will not apply the $*VM.platform-library-name transformation. 12:26
Zoffix Guess a good time as any to try and find a zone that lets me poweron a 64-core VM... 12:27
nine I.e. resources/libraries/p5helper will stay as-is and not be transformed into resources/libraries/libp5helper.so (on Linux)
Zoffix ZofBot: I want a less-than-minute time for stresstest!
ZofBot Zoffix, zip
nine Now I've got 3 options: 1. change guess_library_name to do the transformation - thereby robbing the user of this escape hatch, 2. have the Callable do that transformation itself, thereby tying %?RESOURCES closer to NativeCall's needs or 3. do the transformation in CompUnit::Repository::Filesystem::resource 12:29
2 has the disadvantage of having to guess if the transformation is necessary (it isn't for Installation repositories for example), same as guess_library_name does right now. 12:30
3 may break other existing code as it really changes the result of %?RESOURCES<libraries/foo>
jnthn maybe 4) Introduce a named type Resource or some such that is returned from %?RESOURCES lookups, and add a candidate for that in NativeCall's native trait?
nine jnthn: aaah, that makes so much sense it almost hurts :) 12:33
I guess "Distribution::Resource" is the obvious name 12:35
jnthn Seems reasonable, yeah 12:36
So after I thought about it, yeah, I *think* it's easy... 12:37
oops, wrong window 12:38
nine This also opens the door for moving the platform_library_name transformation into a repo-specific subclass of Distribution::Resource as it's only needed when the resource is loaded from a FileSystem repo. 12:43
Zoffix . 12:45
yoleaux 12:42Z <El_Che> Zoffix: Thx, I'll do that. I was just starting to create the pkgs, but indeed beter to wait
Geth roast: cd94122a9a | usev6++ | S05-modifier/ignorecase.t
[JVM] Re-fudge some tests for ligatures matching
 12:46
Zoffix $ lscpu | grep 'CPU(s)' 12:52
CPU(s): 64
I did it :)
Had to use "increase quota" form, which apparently is handled by robot, because I got the increase right away 12:53
"Stage parse : 53.006" lowest yet 12:55
A'right. Time to set some records \o/
Close, but no cigar: Files=1241, Tests=133745, 77 wallclock secs (21.38 usr 3.66 sys + 2072.16 cusr 186.73 csys = 2283.93 CPU) 12:57
m: say 111/77
camelia 1.441558
Zoffix 1.5x faster than 24-core box
That's with TEST_JOBS=70 12:58
Google promised 128-core boxes later this year... So there's still hope for a sub-minute stresstests :) 12:59
nine Unless there are test file which take longer than a minute by themselves? 13:00
Zoffix Oh.. right. And there are probably are
harness6 result: Files=1241, Tests=133745, 137 wallclock secs
Well, this was good 3 minutes of fun :) 13:01
MasterDuke_ i just did a parse on AlexDaniel's whateverable server in 51s
i would have thought the GCE could do it even faster
Zoffix Mine is with 2.2GHz cpus 13:02
And parse isn't affected much, if at all, but number of cores.
MasterDuke_ yeah, i just thought the individual cores would be a bit faster than that
his server has 3.4GHz cores 13:03
nine: you'll have to let us know the relevant numbers when you get your ryzen up and running 13:04
nine MasterDuke_: will do :) I've now ordered the cooler from another merchant. Today I finally got an email where the one I ordered at initially admitted to not knowing when it can be delivered. While at the same time still claiming a 2 day delivery time on geizhals.at, just like they did a week ago. 13:07
MasterDuke_ you didn't want to use the stock amd one? i thought they got a serious upgrade a year or two ago? 13:09
nine The 1800X doesn't come with a stock cooler. Also I just want the best (thus most silent) cooler I can get :) 13:11
MasterDuke_ huh, didn't realize that
and yes, silent is good. built a watercooling setup for the athlon 64 3400 i won from amd back in college and loved that i couldn't hear a thing 13:13
timotimo the profiling job i let run over night errored out with a dumb error from me not being careful enough about nqp ... 13:14
nine Oh how I hate the waiting. Ever since I decided to go for a really silent system, I notice the noise of my current one much more :) 13:15
timotimo but it helped me figure out that the majority of time is spent in the graph node preparation step
maybe i can find out how to make it nom less memory
MasterDuke_ post_process_call_graph_node?
timotimo yup 13:16
i wonder how big the id remap hash gets 13:17
MasterDuke_ line 122 could be moved down to 133, right? 13:18
for a micro-optimization
timotimo ah, indeed, that's a good idea 13:19
do you know if $node<id> is an int?
because if it is, we should perhaps use a native int array instead of a hash for the remap
MasterDuke_ pretty sure all the ids are ints
timotimo those are a thousand times more efficient when it comes to gc in memory-constrained environments
hm, except we stringify the $new-id-counter into $node<id> 13:20
MasterDuke_ line 144. how good is the gc about throwing away newly created variables?
timotimo it's very good 13:21
Geth rakudo/nom: f4f1c42048 | (Stefan Seifert)++ | src/core/Distribution.pm
Support all appropriate IO::Path methods on Distribution::Resources

  %?RESOURCES<foo> used to return IO::Path objects. People started to
depend on that behavior which of course now fails as the object is no longer an IO::Path but something that defers the creation of the path as long as possible. Delegate calls to all of IO::Path's useful methods
  (those dealing with the path name itself and for read access) to the
result of the deferred path assembly.
rakudo/nom: 647abfea2d | (Stefan Seifert)++ | 2 files
Improve relations between %?RESOURCES and Native trait.

  %?RESOURCES<foo> now returns a Distribution::Resource object which the
Native trait will know how to deal with. This fixes the situation where one could either have automatic shared library name transformation by NativeCall _or_ deferred path setup of resources installed via the Staging repo. ... (5 more lines)
MasterDuke_ `my $shared_data := nqp::hash(...); $id_to_thing{$node<id>} := $shared_data;`. would it be any better as `$id_to_thing{$node<id>} := nqp::hash(...)`?
nine jnthn: many thanks for pointing out the issue and the help with the fix :) 13:22
timotimo at most a small difference 13:23
jnthn nine++ # yay, that should unbust my $dayjob app :)
Zoffix is reminded 13:24
nine As that part of the commit message was cut, the recommended way to access functions in bundled native libraries is now:
my constant $helper = %?RESOURCES<libraries/helper>; sub foo() is native($helper) { ... } 13:25
Zoffix m: dd IO::Spec::Win32.is-absolute: '/'
camelia Bool::True
Zoffix Do we keep that ^ as true?
nine Older suggestions like %?RESOURCES<libraries/helper>.Str or %?RESOURCES<libraries/helper>.absolute will still work (but not with the Staging repo)
timotimo MasterDuke_: wait ... are those ids high numbers? 13:26
i think they are ...
MasterDuke_ timotimo: line 132: how expensive is try? does that ever not succeed?
timotimo: i don't think so. don't they just start at 1 and count up? 13:27
timotimo that's why i have a hash ...
try is very cheap when it doesn't get hit
no, those ids only start at 1 and count up because we have the id remap
if i hadn't somehow broken the compile i'd just quickly toss a debug print in there ... 13:28
i think moar internally uses memory addresses for the ids 13:29
because those are, conveniently, unique
MasterDuke_ in a profile of a rakudo compile from feb the max id in any of the tables is 5487
ah. too big for ints?
timotimo too big for "int", but they fit into int64 13:30
except on 32bit where int is int32 and pointer is also int32
just a quick debug output looks a whole lot like this: 13:31
id was 28719360
id was 41029576
so at least i can div by 8 to get the sizes down, but it's still huge
if i want to replace the hash with an array, it'll become the size of the ram you have, basically :P 13:32
now if i put in a quick pass first that finds the lowest id, that'd help a whole lot 13:33
robertle you could rely on alignment a bit ;)
timotimo yeah, that's what i meant by divide by 8
Zoffix nine: should I cut the release now or is there more commits coming? Any tests for the bug that was fixed?
timotimo alternatively i'll build id_remap out of two lists that i keep in sync; one has all the befores, the other has all the afters, and i keep it sorted by inserting into the right positions 13:34
MasterDuke_ yeah, was thinking about the same thing 13:35
timotimo hm, but if the max id is 5487, that is unlikely to be the culprit at all :|
so maybe what we should try instead is to make the post_process_call_graph_node function iterative instead of recursive
MasterDuke_ annoying, but if it's much faster/uses less ram...
nine Zoffix: the 1M$ question is if my commit broke the Staging repo stuff again. Now that I think of it, this could very well be. The fix would be trivial, but I have to go home to be able to test it. 13:37
Zoffix nine: OK, well. I'm not in a rush. Test it when you can and let me know when to release.
timotimo should be relatively easy, no? 13:40
nine Just had another look and I guess it's fine, as I do not overwrite $!IO in the Proxy's FETCH. So it should run the code for every access. But a test would be good anyway.
Zoffix [Coke]: recall in July, 2016 you said when making point releases, they should only include the bug fix and not whatever commits happened since previous release. 13:49
[Coke]: how to do that? Specically, how would the tag work?
timotimo create a branch for the point release 13:58
and when only the interestign commits have been cherry-picked into that branch
tag the tip of that branch as the point release
Zoffix And then what? 13:59
jnthn Why does there need to be something else? :) 14:00
Well, delete the branch I guess :)
Zoffix So there'll always be a branch hanging out?
jnthn Since the tag records what was releases
Zoffix Um, but what will happen to the tag then? And there won't be a path from that tag in master
jnthn That's normal enough, though? 14:01
timotimo i'd assume other projects do it exactly like that
Zoffix Is it? Last august that ruinined NQP
timotimo you're allowed to delete the branch because the tag keeps all the commits alive
nine I guess in the current case we want all commits anyway 14:02
timotimo hm, what were the details? i don't remember
[Coke] The issue was that some things are incorrectly expecting a simple linear commit history for rakudo, which is borked. we should fix whatever broke when we did that. 14:04
... but knowing that something like that is out there, yes, be cautious.
timotimo good idea. though maybe not now for the release :)
like, make a faux not-really-release in between months just to shake out that 14:05
Zoffix timotimo: details of august breakage? I tagged the dist, then git pull --rebased a recent commit on top of that and pushed. And the tag wasn't in the path for the commits in master
[Coke] right. release tags don't have to be on master/nom 14:06
what was expecting it to be?
Zoffix [Coke]: git describe 14:07
Zoffix just tested out the "branch tag delete" method 14:09
The tag stays, but yeah, git describe doesn't see it
The tag with the commits from released branch
s/released/deleted/;
Geth rakudo/merge-post-2017.04.2-release: c6fd7361d2 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | src/core/IO/Spec/Win32.pm
[io grant] Make IO::Spec::Win32.is-absolute about 63x faster

  - Use NQP ops instead of regexes
  - Toss UNC path check; if we didn't match the leading slash test,
   we won't match UNC path anyway		 14:12
timotimo oh, i get it
Zoffix Well, if you commit non-release stuff before 2017.04.2, please try to use ^ that branch ( merge-post-2017.04.2-release ) instead of nom. I don't wanna go with "this should work, probably" road with the tags unless we really have to. 14:13
timotimo you don't get 2017.01.1 in the versions because the point release is on a different branch entirely
which is "correct", of course
(the best kind of correct)
Zoffix ^ that commit should give some sort of gravity boost on Windows. I see .is-absolute used in a bunch of places, like .absolute, .dir, .chdir, .slurp, .open. In fact, I think any method that actually accesses the file + some others 14:16
jnthn Zoffix: ooh, sounds nice :) 14:17
MasterDuke_ bisectable6 has gotten confused before with weird history 14:18
but not sure how much we should take that into account for rakudo releases 14:19
Zoffix Ah, no, only .dir, .chdir, and .parent. But never fear: all the read methods use another method that should get a sizeable boost as well some time later today. For absolute paths it should be in the same 60x range. 14:23
MasterDuke_ timotimo: any improvements so far? 14:27
timotimo no, i ran a proflie-compile again in the background and it got OOM'd even though i have lots of swap remaining 14:28
not quite sure why that'd happen
MasterDuke_ maybe need to come up with some script that creates a large profile, but doesn't take *quite* as much time/ram as profiling a rakudo compile 14:30
timotimo heh.
well, i got one tiny piece of information, i think 14:31
it did get its memory growth before the post-process step started
so perhaps the problem is already there inside the moarvm code that creates the profile datastructures in the first place
MasterDuke_ huh. did the post-process make it any worse?
Zoffix Actually no, not today. I was planning to have an evening off today :} 14:32
Tomorrow! :)
timotimo oh. i think i actually threw out the debug output that would actually have told me that 14:35
no, i do have a print for whenever it puts a value into the id remap
and that didn't get hit
so it will have crashed before it reached the post processing step
it looks like zef was using new-from-absolute-path 14:39
oh 14:40
no it wasn't
Zoffix It was until recently
github.com/ugexe/zef/issues/149
Fixed 10 days ago
timotimo yeah but i just pulled it and it won't install
Zoffix :( 14:41
timotimo it seems to call .IO on something that's already an IO::Path or something?
hold on ...
d'oh :)
i was using the system-wide installed zef to try to install zef
of course it was still using the old code
Zoffix Calling .IO on IO::Path is identity 14:42
m: dd [ ".".IO.WHAT.IO, ".".IO.IO ]
camelia [IO::Path, ".".IO(:SPEC(IO::Spec::Unix),:CWD("/home/camelia"))]
timotimo right
the problem was i was looking at a newer source file than it was running
Zoffix Ah 14:43
woooow
Spec::Win32.rel2abs is slow as hell. I had to drop down my bench to 500 iteration and it still took 14 seconds 14:44
Oh, 2500 iterations, but still that's slow AF
ZofBot: time to fix that!
ZofBot Zoffix, in(10); my $timecalc = Promise
timotimo <3 14:45
TimToady I had to reinstall zef last night to get it to work 14:53
yoleaux 10:03Z <Zoffix> TimToady: point release cut. We also discovered a bug on our downloads page that didn't sort point releases correctly. So this was all beneficial :)
TimToady and no, I couldn't use the old zef to do it...
nine That somehow doesn't sound like the backwards compatibility story we told after the 6.c release :/ 14:55
Zoffix It is though. I didn't have to modify any of 6.c tests to remove .abspath and .new-from-absolute-path 14:56
And .new-from-absolute-path wasn't even documented. 14:57
Just like zef uses Rakudo::Internals.from-json; if we nix it, the same breakage will occur.
TimToady we did explicitly say "if it's not tested, it's not guaranteed" 14:59
Zoffix ZofBot: but then users happened 15:00
ZofBot Zoffix, 123 # 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
TimToady ZofBot: Why can't you ever think of anything original to say? 15:01
ZofBot TimToady, alternatively i'll build id_remap out of two lists that i keep in sync; one has all the befores, the other has all the afters, and i keep it sorted by inserting into the right positions
Zoffix Would be sweet if the "Back" button worked in the profiler when looking through CallGraph -> Callees 15:03
Zoffix looks at source 15:04
Oh, some sort of angular stuff :
Or an ".." link to go up a level, so you could actually nagivgate teh callee tree instead of restarting from scratch 15:05
jnthn Zoffix: When I originally did it there was a breadcrumb trail at the top
That let you go back to recent frames in the chain 15:06
Zoffix Oh, awesome. yeah, it's still there. It's just at the top and I didn't see it :)
jnthn That UI is like, the first *and* last thing I wrote in Angular JS :) 15:08
timotimo the breadcrumb trail exists but it acts really strange when you skip multiple levels 15:15
and i managed to somehow break labels in most of the boxes in the call graph >_< 15:16
nine Darn....back to getting the wrong path for the shared lib again. Will have to look into this later on :/ 15:29
Zoffix Note to self: /Q'\'/ is not the same as /ļ½¢\ļ½£/ 15:30
samcv++ # updateing highlighter to latest fixed my Q'\' breakage \o/ 15:37
What's the right way to use that anyway? 15:44
I mean.. how to uses Texas Q// in regex
m: say 'foo' ~~ /{Q'fo'}/
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say 'foo' ~~ /{Q'fo7ā5'}/
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
statement end
statement modifier
staā€¦
Zoffix TTIAR?
m: say 'foo' ~~ /{Q/fo/}/ 15:45
camelia ļ½¢ļ½£
Zoffix dafuq
m: say 'foo' ~~ /<{Q/fo/}>/
camelia ļ½¢foļ½£
Zoffix m: say 'foo' ~~ /<{Q'fo'}>/
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say 'foo' ~~ /<{Q'fo7ā5'}>/
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
statement end
statement modifier
sā€¦
Zoffix bug
m: say 'foo' ~~ /<{Q/.+/}>/ 15:46
camelia ļ½¢fooļ½£
Zoffix m: say 'f.+o' ~~ /"{Q/f.+/}"/
camelia ļ½¢f.+ļ½£
Zoffix aha \o/
m: say 'f.+o' ~~ /"{Q'f.+'}"/ 15:47
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unable to parse expression in single quotes; couldn't find final "'"
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say 'f.+o' ~~ /"{Q'f.+'}"/7ā5<EOL>
expecting any of:
dotty method or postfix
siā€¦
Zoffix It's tripping on ' quotes there too tho
timotimo MasterDuke_: i'll put some telemetry pings into the call graph creation code inside moarvm to see what its behavior is like 15:49
TimToady ZofBot: Q'fo is a valid ident 16:12
ZofBot TimToady, , are aliases into the $/ object
TimToady m: say 'f.+o' ~~ /"{Q 'f.+'}"/ 16:13
camelia ļ½¢f.+ļ½£
TimToady m: say 'f.+o' ~~ /"{Qā€˜f.+ā€™}"/ 16:14
camelia ļ½¢f.+ļ½£ 16:15
timotimo we can give a "did you mean" error here 16:16
i'm surprised we haven't stumbled over this a thousand times, though? 16:17
m: say qq'blah'
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say qq'blah7ā5'
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
postfix
statement end
statement modifier
ā€¦
timotimo i suppose when you're already using Q and friends, you wouldn't use '?
Zoffix m: say Q'blah' 16:18
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say Q'blah7ā5'
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
postfix
statement end
statement modifier
ā€¦
Zoffix Ok, definitely a regression, because that used to work 16:19
bisect: Q'blah'
c: 2017.03 Q'blah'
committable6 Zoffix, gist.github.com/af15992e4d4e449ad7...e76a56c146
Zoffix c: all say Q'blah' 16:20
...
TimToady it *shouldn't* work
Zoffix hurry up, robot!
TimToady: really? 16:21
star: say Q'blah'
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say Q'blah7ā5'
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
postfix
statement end
statement modifier
ā€¦
Zoffix OK
Maybe I'm misremembering
TimToady m: my \Q'blah = 42; say Q'blah
camelia 42
Zoffix Ahhh
OOHHH
TimToady as timotimo points out, we can have a better message though
Zoffix star: say Q 'blah' 16:22
camelia blah
Zoffix Right, THAT used to work :D
TimToady still duz
Zoffix yeah :)
timotimo now i have a segfault in gdb open where i can't figure out what did it ...
aha! 16:29
the call stack is too deep
i mean ... that could be it 16:30
the instruction it crashes on is a callq
Zoffix Hm.. 40 minutes of rewriting it a routine in nqp = 8% speed gain... 16:41
A few weeks of this effort and rakudo will read the files before you even know you wanted to read them :P 16:42
Time to learn to make non-nqp fast. 16:43
Where do I start?
nine m: class Foo { has $.IO; method BUILD() { $!IO = Proxy.new(FETCH => method () { note "FETCH"; "foo" }, STORE => method ($new) { die }) } }; my $foo = Foo.new; $foo.IO; $foo.IO; 16:45
camelia FETCH
nine Why does this FETCH only once?!
Zoffix need to bind the proxy 16:47
m: class Foo { has $.IO; method BUILD() { $!IO := Proxy.new(FETCH => method () { note "FETCH"; "foo" }, STORE => method ($new) { die }) } }; my $foo = Foo.new; $foo.IO; $foo.IO;
camelia FETCH
FETCH
FETCH
nine oh, ok, thanks!
Zoffix Why does it fetch it 3 times?
nine m: class Foo { has $.IO; method BUILD() { $!IO := Proxy.new(FETCH => method () { note "FETCH"; "foo" }, STORE => method ($new) { die }) }; self }; my $foo = Foo.new; $foo.IO; $foo.IO; 16:48
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
'self' used where no object is available
at <tmp>:1
------> 3o" }, STORE => method ($new) { die }) };7ā5 self }; my $foo = Foo.new; $foo.IO; $fo
expecting any of:
term
nine m: class Foo { has $.IO; method BUILD() { $!IO := Proxy.new(FETCH => method () { note "FETCH"; "foo" }, STORE => method ($new) { die }) }; 1 }; my $foo = Foo.new; $foo.IO; $foo.IO;
camelia WARNINGS for <tmp>:
Useless use of constant integer 1 in sink context (line 1)
FETCH
FETCH
FETCH
nine no idea then
Zoffix oh, doh. Yeah, that's it 16:49
m: class Foo { has $.IO; method BUILD() { $!IO := Proxy.new(FETCH => method () { note "FETCH"; "foo" }, STORE => method ($new) { die }); 42 } }; my $foo = Foo.new;
camelia ( no output )
Zoffix m: class Foo { has $.IO; method BUILD() { $!IO := Proxy.new(FETCH => method () { note "FETCH"; "foo" }, STORE => method ($new) { die }); 42 } }; my $foo = Foo.new; Foo.IO
camelia Cannot look up attributes in a Foo type object
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Zoffix m: class Foo { has $.IO; method BUILD() { $!IO := Proxy.new(FETCH => method () { note "FETCH"; "foo" }, STORE => method ($new) { die }); 42 } }; my $foo = Foo.new; $foo.IO 16:50
camelia FETCH
Zoffix cool
nine Now with the proxy bound it ends with: Cannot invoke this object (REPR: Null; VMNull)
--ll-exception does not actually give me a backtrace there 16:52
Maybe I'll have to write 20 delegation methods manually after all 16:57
I'd guess that it's the FETCH closure that doesn't survive serialization. 16:58
TimToady
.oO(serial killer?)
 16:59
Zoffix :D 17:00
nine but dinner first 17:01
MasterDuke_ timotimo: get anything from the telemetry? 17:02
timotimo MasterDuke_: it's not reached the point yet 17:03
now i'm no longer at my desktop, so i'll have to ssh in to see what's up
MasterDuke_ at one point i had some code that very quickly produced a too-big profile, but i don't remember what it was 17:04
timotimo ackermann should do it. alternatively, i'd think recursive fibonacci should also do it
MasterDuke_ i wonder if it was something with .combinations 17:05
Zoffix What do you think of readability of rel2abs2 vs rel2abs3 here? gist.github.com/zoffixznet/1121ae5...2c91848f06
timotimo didn't we have a recursion-free combinations routine?
desktop will most likely freeze in a minute or two
Zoffix It only brings like 10% improvement... The real slowage is further down the pipeline. This method is called anytime a file on disc is accessed
Wondering if the mild perf boost is worth the poorer readability 17:06
MasterDuke_ timotimo: we do now, this may have been before that
Zoffix ( I'll still need to rewrite ($path ~~ /^ <$UNCpath>/ in nqp, so there'd be another small nqp chunklet there)
MasterDuke_ Zoffix: do you know the slowest part of the non-nqp version? is there a hot part so you could re-write just a bit in nqp? 17:08
timotimo gist.github.com/timo/1dab05a808111...4adff39e87 - MasterDuke_, something similar to the function donw below would be what we do in post-processing
well, that function is a bit wordy because of the whole C thing; in nqp-land we'd just be using a list
MasterDuke_ isn't malloc always on the heap? 17:09
Zoffix MasterDuke_: good planm 17:10
MasterDuke_ Zoffix: but i wouldn't say the rel2abs3 is all that bad
timotimo malloc is on the heap, but the structure i put there is on the stack 17:12
MasterDuke_ ah 17:13
recursive fibonacci of 30k only produced a 15mb profile, and up to 10k it runs pretty quickly, faster than i expected 17:18
timotimo interesting 17:36
MasterDuke_ oops, i lied. recursive factorial is very fast. recursive fibonacci is not
bit of a difference 17:37
timotimo ah, well :) 17:38
factorial doesn't branch
DrForr Ackermann FTW :) 17:41
(though there are many more fun hyperexponentials out there) 17:42
MasterDuke_ can do fib(35), but fib(40) was taking a long time so i killed it. but it only produced a 100k profile 17:44
fib(37) produced a 25k profile
*250k 17:46
Geth rakudo/nom: 4a560aa746 | (Stefan Seifert)++ | src/core/Distribution.pm
Fix "Cannot invoke this object (REPR: Null; VMNull)"

A packaged Inline::Perl5 will throw the error about VMNull at runtime when trying to access the Proxy's FETCH method. Presumably the method closure did not survive serialization. Use a less elegant, but ultimately working approach instead.		 17:48
nine Is there a way to run a spec test using an installed perl6 instead of from the source directory? 17:50
MasterDuke_ something with the --cmd option for fudgeandrun perhaps?
*--impl-cmd 17:53
nine Ah, symlink the t directory in an otherwise empty directory and modify line 39 in t/harness5 ;) 17:55
Zoffix: I'm seeing t/spec/S16-filehandles/filestat.t ................................. Dubious, test returned 1 (wstat 256, 0x100) Failed 1/11 subtests 17:58
Zoffix: otherwise we're go for point release from me :) 17:59
Zoffix: the failing test in filestat.t is 'IO.accessed should be updated when file content changes' and is kinda wrong as it just won't work on a file system mounted with noatime 18:00
timotimo how do we figure that out? 18:01
nine timotimo: probably checking if system tools detect the change and if they don't, skip the test
Geth star: 5398118aa1 | (Steve Mynott)++ | 2 files
bump versions to 2017.04 and 04.1 for rakudo
 18:02
Zoffix stmuk: that's the wrong version. It'll be 2017.04.2 18:03
nine: OK. I thought noatime would still update it on 1st access after write
stmuk ah
timotimo that's not a bad idea, except we have to have a system tool for every platform where that can happen :D
geekosaur Zoffix, there's both soft-atime and hard no-atime, the latter you won;'t ever see an updated time 18:04
nine timotimo: is there an atime on every platform?
nine just removed the noatime mount option from his fstab 18:05
timotimo no clue :)
geekosaur atime is usually present although its resolution varies (e.g. its granularity is 2 seconds on FAT/VFAT)
stmuk relatime is best for linux
nine I guess since I upgraded to an Intel SSD 750 400GB NVMe device, atime just won't make any difference anymore :)
Geth roast: 715f602205 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | S16-filehandles/filestat.t
skip-fudge IO::Path.accessed test

  - Needs more through for noatime systems
  - Test was added 10 days ago and isn't part of 6.c-errata		 18:08
Zoffix Alright, I'll start cutting the 2017.04.2
s/through/thought/through
bah
.ask [Coke] I'm kinda way past the original grant due date, but I have a question: should I (a) complete the grant by end of April, making my final report on April 30th; or (b) throw in a bunch of performance improvements as part of the grant work and complete it mid-May. I'll make a short report this week and final and complete report mid-May 18:14
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to [Coke].
MasterDuke_ timotimo: 'use MONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL; for ^10 { my &fs = EVAL q|sub f\qq[$_]($n) { if $n < 2 { return 1 } else { return $n * f\qq[$_]($n - 1) } }|; say &fs(30_000).chars };' produces a 150mb profile that the qt viewer can't open 18:19
Malformed input file, top level isn't an array: "too deeply nested document"
timotimo OK 18:20
... too deeply?
that's distinct from "too large", right?
MasterDuke_ think so 18:21
geekosaur yes, that's a stack (not necessarily machine stack) issue
timotimo it's machine stack if we have a json machine
MasterDuke_ but we don't necessarily need a profile that's actually too large right, just one that's pretty large and generates quickly? 18:26
[Coke] . 18:29
yoleaux 18:14Z <Zoffix> [Coke]: I'm kinda way past the original grant due date, but I have a question: should I (a) complete the grant by end of April, making my final report on April 30th; or (b) throw in a bunch of performance improvements as part of the grant work and complete it mid-May. I'll make a short report this week and final and complete report mid-May
Zoffix nine: is this output from Inline::Perl5 normal? something about leaked scalars in t/use.t gist.github.com/zoffixznet/e17ff7b...4261824f2a
[Coke] late completion is fine; missing reporting progress is not.
nine Zoffix: yes :/ But maybe now that the packaging stuff works I'll find the time to track that down. 18:30
[Coke] Either way is fine; if you want to throw extra stuff in as part of the grant report, I am not going to stop you. :)
Zoffix [Coke]: OK. I'll have the report for April tomorrow \o/
:D
[Coke] I can take .md for republishing.
Zoffix OK 18:31
MasterDuke_ timotimo: 'use MONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL; for ^500 { my &fs = EVAL q|sub f\qq[$_]($n) { if $n < 2 { return 1 } else { return $n * f\qq[$_]($n - 1) } }|; &fs(500) };' produces a 127mb profile that's "too large document" 18:38
Geth rakudo/nom: f28044b8f7 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | docs/ChangeLog
Log 2017.04.2 changes
 18:41
rakudo/nom: 85da85002d | (Zoffix Znet)++ | docs/announce/2017.04.2.md
Add 2017.04.2 Release Announcement
 18:43
MasterDuke_ on my machine, the whole thing took 73s. of that, post_process_call_graph_node() took 14.0655379295349 and to_json() took 43.3250727653503 18:53
AlexDaniel hhhhhmmmm 18:55
yoleaux 18:39Z <Zoffix> AlexDaniel: re cutting releases: so, are we cool or is my reasoning unreasonable?
AlexDaniel where's committable 18:56
c: 647abfea2d9 say 42 18:57
:|
c: 647abfea2d9 say 42 18:58
committable6 AlexDaniel, Ā¦647abfe: Ā«No build for this commitĀ»
AlexDaniel ok that's better
c: HEAD 42
:| 18:59
c: HEAD 42
committable6 AlexDaniel, Ā¦HEAD(85da850): Ā«No build for this commitĀ»
AlexDaniel c: HEAD^ 42
committable6 AlexDaniel, Ā¦HEAD^: Ā«WARNINGS for /tmp/donFsm9Lfe:ā¤Useless use of constant integer 42 in sink context (line 1)Ā»
AlexDaniel Zoffix: we are cool, it's fine. I found your reasoning unreasonable, but at the same time I appreciate your work, so if it disturbs you too much then I think we can keep it this way. 19:04
c: HEAD 42 19:05
committable6 AlexDaniel, Ā¦HEAD(85da850): Ā«No build for this commitĀ»
AlexDaniel c: 647abfea2d9 say 42
committable6 AlexDaniel, Ā¦647abfe: Ā«42Ā»
AlexDaniel ok that's slightly betterā€¦
c: HEAD 42 19:07
committable6 AlexDaniel, Ā¦HEAD(85da850): Ā«WARNINGS for /tmp/y84Bt4akEP:ā¤Useless use of constant integer 42 in sink context (line 1)Ā»
AlexDaniel if only I could figure out why whateverable does thisā€¦ 19:08
c: releases say rand
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/954b232a8967a2e8f1...fa6365c763
AlexDaniel c: all say rand 19:10
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/349e4b94e73202adef...fdaf84225a
AlexDaniel c: all say Q'blah'
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/395a79533bdb3e09ea...26bc6b825f
timotimo don't you mean Q'plah?
AlexDaniel shrug 19:11
Zoffix AlexDaniel: well, OK. Once I'm done with the grant stuff, I plan on improving the bot and perl6.fail (they're both kinda in-beta-status). So the end-goal is for the bot to auto-start the VM and have an on-IRC safemode switch. Once that's done, you can cut a release. 'cause then you won't need any VMs, keys, or commit bits; the bot will handle all that
AlexDaniel Zoffix: and if the bot is hit by a bus we're doomed, mhmā€¦ 19:12
MasterDuke_ timotimo: for that script, to_json takes 42s, but to_sql takes 53s 19:13
Zoffix Not at all. (a) You can always follow manual instructions ā€” it's painful and error-prone; (b) The final-state bot will have proper setup instructions, so all you'd need to do is find a new box to run it on and done.
I mean, I'm following manual instructions *as we speak* because the bot doesn't know how to cut point releases 19:14
AlexDaniel I'd much rather run it myself. But again, if this is so big of a trouble, we don't *have* to do it
Zoffix AlexDaniel: run what yourself? The bot?
AlexDaniel yea
Zoffix AlexDaniel: well, then submit a CLA to get commit bit for rakudo. 19:15
You need it to run the bot, 'cause I doubt anyone will give you their github credentials :P
AlexDaniel sure, I know. This is why I brought it up ahead of time :)
Zoffix And we also need to figure out the "group key" or whatever. So that multiple people can release and we'd still always use the same key 19:16
timotimo MasterDuke_: that's kinda strange 19:17
MasterDuke_ 2202736maxresident)k for both 19:20
Geth rakudo/nom: 052dfcddce | (Zoffix Znet)++ | VERSION
Bump version to 2017.04.2
 19:21
MasterDuke_ timotimo: got anything from telemetry yet? 19:23
timotimo only gc runs starting and such 19:31
MasterDuke_ it's still going?
timotimo yeah 19:32
of course it is :)
603b30 30636434259937 (- "start minor collection" (2620)
^- the last output
not every interval was a gc, but the vast majority 19:33
MasterDuke_ how long has it been running?
timotimo real time or cpu time? :)
MasterDuke_ real 19:34
timotimo hm
good question actually
0 Epoch counter: 98516819482392
that's not a unix timestamp
MasterDuke_ and you're profiling a rakudo compile? 19:35
timotimo yeah 19:37
i think with --target=ast
it's spending most of its time doing nothing 19:38
MasterDuke_ swapping?
timotimo yeah
MasterDuke_ how much ram do you have? 19:39
timotimo eating now 19:40
15.6G says htop
10.9G is in my swap
MasterDuke_ ha. need to rent some 32 or 64gb aws or gce machine for an hour or so 19:41
Zoffix good god we have a lot of branches 19:49
"2016.01-preparation"
heh
Geth rakudo: zoffixznet++ created pull request #1062:
[io grant] Make IO::Spec::Win32.is-absolute about 63x faster
rakudo/nom: c6fd7361d2 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | src/core/IO/Spec/Win32.pm
[io grant] Make IO::Spec::Win32.is-absolute about 63x faster

  - Use NQP ops instead of regexes
  - Toss UNC path check; if we didn't match the leading slash test,
   we won't match UNC path anyway		 19:50
rakudo/nom: e1c086b7a7 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | src/core/IO/Spec/Win32.pm
Merge pull request #1062 from rakudo/merge-post-2017.04.2-release

  [io grant] Make IO::Spec::Win32.is-absolute about 63x faster
star: a54b67f843 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | tools/star/Makefile
Use correct Rakudo point release
 19:51
Zoffix Alright
Release is done.
2017.04.2 is the latest and greatest.
Commit to nom freely :)
Zoffix takes rest of the day off to relax 19:52
[Coke] (group key) We've signed releases as individuals in the past, I don't think that's necessarily a problem to do in the future, is it 19:55
?
(lot of branches) if the branches are merged to nom, we can probably kill them.
timotimo MasterDuke_: it's not outputting anything into the telemetry log any more 19:56
it might be that gcc stopped it
MasterDuke_ timotimo: is your branch up to date? if i check it out, build moar, and run my script will i get something useful? 19:58
timotimo oh
it's spittin'
samcv .tell lizmat thank you :) got your package in the mail! so happy!
yoleaux samcv: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
samcv i now have perl 6 swag!
timotimo samcv: yeah!! 20:00
it seems like the process has ended 20:14
aha. SIGKILL 20:18
"the process no longer exists"
robertle out of curiosity, what does "nom" stand for? 20:30
geekosaur new object model 20:31
iirc
timotimo yeah, from many, many, many years ago 20:33
before nom rakudo used to compile the whole core setting from source every time you started it
because we didn't have serialization yet
jnthn The history is a little more involved than that :) 20:34
We did compile the setting into bytecode, but the lack of serialization meant that we couldn't serialize meta-objects 20:35
So we built up objects every time at startup
Like adding all the methods to classes, etc.
timotimo ah, ok 20:37
robertle sounds slow 20:38
jnthn It was, and CORE.setting was way smaller then 20:39
By now we are even doing stuff like lazily deserializing parts of CORE.setting on-demand 20:41
Which gave us a further startup time reduction and base memory reduction 20:43
At the price of quite a few headaches
MasterDuke_ timotimo: i have a 3601 line telemetry log. anything i can glean from it? 20:47
timotimo you don't have my local patch for it, right? 20:49
oh
MasterDuke_ no, whatever was on github
timotimo the patch that i linked you to that changes the marking for call graph nodes also includes the interesting intervals 20:50
could you apply that patch?
MasterDuke_ doing that now 20:51
oh, now about 16k lines of log 20:54
timotimo mhm 20:55
MasterDuke_ don't know what successors are, but there were 254238 of them 20:56
timotimo that's how many children each call graph node has
in theory we could graph the growth of the call graph with this
MasterDuke_ started with 103579 20:57
Zoffix [Coke]: (group key) yes we did do them in the past and now there are a bunch of different keys in use and some are still unverified: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/tags?after=2016.01.1 So, I don't know of a way to verify those releases. 21:42
[Coke]: and if we use a bunch of different keys, users need to import them (or figure out how to very without importing) 21:43
+ someone releases some users import key as trusted, user goes apeshit and now we have a bunch of users trusting a hostile key. 21:44
ZofBot: APOKEYLIPSE!
ZofBot Zoffix, [Note: the name "FIRST" used to be associated with "state" declarations
Zoffix OMG! I got the best hacking ice-cream! A fruity icepop on the outside; pop rocks on the inside! 22:06
These ones: www.madewithnestle.ca/sites/defaul...k=cd_rn-0D
Wonder how they make the popping things not pop inside wet-ish icecream, yet pop in wet mouth
geekosaur temperature? 22:15
Zoffix Ah 22:42
samcv and nucleation. you put it in your mouth and ice cream dissolves off, exposing the pitted groves off the poprocks which then have all those physical sites to react at 22:46
Zoffix :o 23:07
Zoffix has another one
ZofBot: FOR SCIENCE
ZofBot Zoffix, If it's being overly hungry
geekosaur oh, yes, could well be threshold water level, if the ice cream is decent then it's got lipids that would wash away 23:10
Zoffix "To make Pop Rocks, the hot sugar mixture is allowed to mix with carbon dioxide gas at about 600 pounds per square inch (psi). The carbon dioxide gas forms tiny, 600-psi bubbles in the candy" 23:24
600-psi :o
samcv not high enough 23:26
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