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| masak | Ven`: I was thinking about what you said, about not making the Perl 6 mistake of adding containers to the language | 12:42 | |
| I'm not sure whether Location qualifies or not; in a way, Locations exist (in lexpads and arrays/dicts) whether we expose them or not | 12:43 | ||
| Ven` | I don't think they do. I mulled over it for a bit, but I think the fact that locations only exist as lvalues is fine. | 12:44 | |
| There is no binding or such. if I do %hash<invalid key>.elems in Perl 6, I get 1. This is the kind of things I'd rather avoid. | 12:45 | ||
| masak | right | 12:46 | |
| Ven` | A location is just a... dynamic lvalue. | ||
.oO( I'm proud to say we have reinvented pointers ) |
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| masak | yes, part of Location is that "looking up an rvalue factors into looking up an lvalue followed by getting its value" | ||
| in other words, the lookup part needs to behave *exactly* the same as it normally does | 12:47 | ||
| and 007 gets dict key strictness from its second parent, Python :) | |||
| Ven` | Strictness is fine. `...elems` returning 0 is fine. `...elems` returning 1 is something I consider a "bug". | 12:48 | |
| I consider how it happens, I know that :v solves the issue, but... still. | |||
| masak | mhm | ||
| Ven` | That pretty much sums up my position... I've started using Perl 6 some 4 years ago, and the only thing I've never been able to like are sigils/containers and flattening. I'm still getting surprised sometimes :P. | 12:49 | |
| masak | unrelatedly, github.com/masak/007/issues/209#is...-399915859 has been bugging me lately | ||
| I didn't realize Type objects would have to be that "late" | 12:50 | ||
| I naively assumed they'd be 1-per-textual-site | |||
| Ven` remembers an old discussion on the topic of `method a { my $bool; method b { ... } };` were they were very adament | 12:51 | ||
| masak | hehe | ||
| fwiw, I don't plan to re-do that one in 007; methods will only be allowed directly in the class block | 12:52 | ||
| Ven` | Yay! | ||
| masak | (but I also think that Perl 6 has it right the way it does, given its other design choices) | ||
| also, keep in mind that at one point (during the Parrot days), the problem with that code was that it *crashed* when calling .b because lookups from it ended up literally nowhere | 12:53 | ||
| Parrot was ungood in that way | |||
| the 007 dictum (and Perl 6's too, I believe) is "everything gets at least a static frame" | 12:54 | ||
| Ven` | That's... interesting. | 12:55 | |
| masak | which part? that Parrot crashed, or that 007/p6 have that dictum? | 12:56 | |
| Ven` | No, that parrot bit. | ||
| I'd expect an equivalent to our (I believe) VMNull | |||
| masak | oh, it was that | 12:57 | |
| Null PMC Exception or whatever | |||
| but I count that as a crash, because it was outside of the domain of Rakudo | |||
| Ven` | Oh, OK! | ||
| masak | "PMC", by the way, stood for "Parrot Magic Cookie", for reasons that I guess were funny at one point | 12:58 | |
| Ven` | "You Think It's Cute Now" syndrom or something | ||
| masak | *Today, yes :) | 12:59 | |
| Ven` | The only thing I recall about PMC/PIR is FROGGS++ demonstrating some v5 stuff in Salzburg and just... typing PIR code by hand to feed the VM. | ||
| masak | docs.parrot.org/parrot/1.0.0/html/d...s.pod.html claims it stands for "PolyMorphic Container", but I think that's a retronym | ||
| the funny thing about typing PIR code by hand is that PIR (an Intermediate Language) grew way too big for its clothes, including being written by hand a lot | 13:00 | ||
| at some point large parts of the Rakudo grammar engine (PGE) was written in PIR | 13:01 | ||
| I remember porting it to Perl 6 | |||
| Ven` | Sounds like a... Fun project, for sure. | 13:19 | |
| Mmh, I guess it's been a while since Parrot last had a release. | 13:20 | ||
| I know rurban worked a bit on potion after that, and I think he's busy with cperl now... | |||
| Ven` looks sadly at the GSoC 2014 | 13:22 | ||
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| Ven` | F??tbol is making the network... unstable to say the least. | 13:59 | |
| I'm not sure too sure about packages vs classes..yet. | |||
| masak | me neither | 14:00 | |
| I discussed it with a colleague today, who agreed it's cleaner to have just one separator instead of two, if one will do | 14:01 | ||
| right now that's about the extent I'm certain about, that one is cleaner | |||
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