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Set by apple-gunkies on 11 November 2005.
kane_ Khisanth: perldoc works fine for me, otherwise you Just Read It ;) 00:09
dduncan ?eval try { die Object.new() }; say "got a '{$!.ref}' having '$!'" 00:21
00:21 evalbot_8064 is now known as evalbot_8068
evalbot_8068 OUTPUT[got a 'Str' having '<obj:Object>' ] bool::true 00:21
dduncan so I just discovered this bug ... 00:22
objects get stringified when used as a die argument
but they should stay objects
looking for existing test ...
Khisanth so how is die defined? 00:39
wolverian: thegoo.org resembles a marketing gimmick for a movie 00:54
dduncan still going to check on that, but first ...
I'm wondering what the correct test is to see if a package has been loaded or not
wolverian Khisanth, yes. the tour pdf is better :)
Khisanth I mean it uses a lot of words to say nothing 00:55
dduncan "return defined ::($module_name);", an analogue to Perl 5's "no strict 'refs'; return defined %{$module_name . '::'};", always returns 1, it seems 00:56
so I'm wondering what to test to see if there was a previous "use/require Foo" or not
Khisanth which is not a very good way to convince people to download a 20MB pdf file ...
wolverian Khisanth, yes. you might want to submit a bug report. :) 00:57
dduncan or more specifically, I want to only "use Foo" if there wasn't already a Foo declared by an already loaded file
Khisanth wolverian: that would require finding the correct location first (Note: I haven't downloaded the pdf)
svnbot6 r8069 | Darren_Duncan++ | r1093@Darren-Duncans-Computer: darrenduncan | 2005-12-03 17:08:32 -0800 01:10
r8069 | Darren_Duncan++ | /ext/Rosetta-Incubator : fixed several bugs in Locale::KeyedText and its examples ... 2 known bugs still remain, but it otherwise works
dduncan one of those 2 bugs is the test for existing package 01:15
the other bug is that die stringifies its arg 01:16
wolverian Khisanth, I don't know if the site itself is on CPAN, but Goo itself is. if you have the energy, the address should be there.
(s,the,an,)
Khisanth energy yes, interest no :) 01:17
dduncan with the second one, I will search for and if necessary add a Pugs test for it
the first one, I don't know what the correct syntax is
02:23 kanru2 is now known as kanru
meppl gute nacht 02:38
svnbot6 r8070 | Darren_Duncan++ | r1097@Darren-Duncans-Computer: darrenduncan | 2005-12-04 00:20:59 -0800 08:24
r8070 | Darren_Duncan++ | added new test t/builtins/control_flow/die_arg_preservation.t, which checks that gets what you pass to die() in pristine shape, with original value type, not cast as Str ... needed when using objects as exceptions
dduncan fyi, I reported the corresponding bug here a few hours ago; see colabti.de/irclogger/irclogger_log/...005-12-04, time index 00:21 08:27
I still have to look into the /src, but fixing this *may* be as simple as changing the signature of die() from taking a 'Str' arg to an 'Any' arg 08:29
now, I found one source line that may not be *the* problem here, but it could be a problem of its own ... 08:34
it is in /perl5/PIL-Run/lib/PIL/Run/PrimP5.pm ... 08:36
line 408, says: MULTI SUB die (*@xxa) { die map{p6_to_s($_)}@xxa; };
that appears to be an explicit cast to a string ...
therefore, it should effectively say instead: MULTI SUB die (*@xxa) { die @xxa; }; 08:37
but that's only a parallel issue ...
I think the actual problem I'm facing may be caused in ... 08:41
src/Pugs/Internals.hs, lines 152... where "die" is declared 08:42
the line "die :: (MonadIO m, Show a) => String -> a -> m b" suggests that it throws/returns a "String", and maybe that's what needs changing 08:43
I'm not sure what to change it to, though, if that is the right place
on the other hand ... 08:45
there is src/Pugs/Prim.hs, lines 325... 08:46
perhaps "fail (errmsg . concat $ strs)" is what is doing the string cast ... 08:47
or specifically, the "concat" 08:48
I wonder what Perl 5 does ... its die can take multiple args and concat them like this, but it can also pass objects unscathed ... 08:49
maybe what's necessary here is to test the args contents ... if there is just one value in args then pass it as is without the string cast 08:50
in any event, it will take me time to figure out the exact code to change to, but hopefully I've pointed out what line(s) need changing 08:51
anyway, its late, so...
good night!
nothingmuch, if you want to backlog the last 20 mins, you may have comments ... or know whether I'm on the right track re what needs fixing 08:53
fixing what the test in 8070 reports
nothingmuch hola
can't right now
ETOOWRKOVERFLOW
err
EWRKOVERFLOW
dduncan did you log in automatically? 08:54
nothingmuch just came to ask someone on #catalyst to make sure a bug doesn't exist
and when I launched irssi it connected to all my usual channels
dduncan fyi, this is about the ability to use objects as exceptions ... I discovered and committed a test showing all die args are cast as Strs, but shouldn't be
nothingmuch right 08:55
that shouildn't be
dduncan in the backlog, I searched and identified the 2-10 lines in the src that are probably what need tweaking
but I'm not sure exactly what to change them to
they are the definitions of die() in Internals.hs and Prim.hs 08:56
nothingmuch really can't do that right now
i have a C++ memory allocation bug to chase
dduncan that's fine ... hopefully what I wrote will help someone else with the tuits to fix it
nothingmuch aye 08:57
dduncan++
dduncan now about that ...
karma dduncan
jabbot dduncan: dduncan has neutral karma
dduncan now there's a bug 08:58
it always says neutral
good night 09:01
nothingmuch autrijus: ping 12:33
elmex nothingmuch: pong 12:56
nothingmuch elmex: ? 13:05
elmex nothingmuch: :) 13:06
never mind
nothingmuch okay =)
autrijus: i do you have HTML::FromANSI in a repository somewhere? if so, can I have it?
nnunley nothingmuch: It looks like it's in CPAN. 13:09
nothingmuch nnunley: yeah, it's been there for a long while 13:12
i'm now comaintainer, since I have a change for it 13:13
Term::VT102::Boundless is more suitable than Term::VT102 for this specific taskl
so now I was going to update it but I'd like to be versioned and stuff
nnunley Got it. 13:27
Misinterpreted the it as being the bundle, and not the repository.
svnbot6 r8071 | kane++ | * register installations 13:47
r8071 | kane++ | * allow to write back installation information
r8071 | kane++ | * add is_installed & write methods
r8071 | kane++ | * have package->install register it's installation
r8071 | kane++ | * pull meta info from .jib file
r8071 | kane++ | * add tests
rafl kane_: ping 14:06
kane_: Object::Accessor confuses me. I do $obj->mk_accessors(qw( dirig )); and $obj->dir($dir) where $dir is 'foo' and checked using Params::Check. 14:07
kane_: But what I get back from $obj->dir() is JIB::Repository=HASH(0x83f89dc). Why? 14:08
kane_ show me some code -- it doesn't quite make sense like this :)
clkao mad kane 14:09
rafl kane_: nopaste.debianforum.de/1738
kane_: Line 18 outputs 'foo', line 20 ouputs 'JIB::Repository=HASH(0x...)' 14:10
kane_ rafl: interesting... let me check that -- it should Just WOrk 14:11
rafl: you must have a typo somewhere though -- it works for me: 14:13
nopaste.snit.ch:8001/5694
rafl kane_: It doesn't work if Path::Class is loaded.. 14:15
kane_ path::class is hijacking the dir() function? 14:16
rafl D'OH.
kane_ yup, it is
naughty path::class
rafl Indeed. 14:18
OK, everything works now.
kane_: Let's discuss the repository layout a bit. 14:27
kane_ sure, go ahead
rafl kane_: I would like to have all .jibs in one directory ("pool", maybe split up alphabetically).
kane_: And the index files in another dir (I call it dists)
kane_: The dists directory should have various index files in various subdirectories. grouped by any meta information you want. 14:28
kane_: I want author, language and module, for now.
kane_ this sounds very much like what debian does, correct? 14:29
rafl kane_: So I can select all modules of author a written in p6.
It goes beyond what Debian does.
Debian only has dists/{stable,testing,unstable}/{main,contrib,non-free} 14:30
kane_ the pool/dists thing i recognize -- the split up from 'just' Packages.gz to the subdirs is the 'beyond' part, right?
rafl No. Debian also has subdirs in dists where the Packages.gz lives. That's the same way I thought about it for sixpan. But I would like to use every meta information available to group the packages files. 14:31
kane_ puts a bit of strain on the generation of them on updates, but that's about it when it comes to complexity right?
rafl (Well, this should be possible at least. Your not forced to serve millions of index files, of course)
kane_ so there's one aggregated index on packages, and then subsets on $metainfo you find interesting? 14:32
rafl Yes. 14:33
kane_ ok.. so that means the subsets are nothign more than a grep on the main index?
so allow for that structure, stick iwth the main index for now?
rafl Kind of, yes.
EPARSE
kane_ mm? 14:34
rafl I didn't get that sentence: so allow for that structure, stick iwth the main index for now? 14:35
kane_ for now, just use the main index, but allow for a repository structure that has sub-indexes 14:36
kane_ has to go afk for a while -- back in about an hour or so probably 14:38
rafl kane_: Sorry.. feather was offline for some moments. 14:42
kane_: Well, OK.
Juerd_ Sorry 'bout that :) 14:43
rafl Juerd_: Please alias 'ifconfig eth0 down' to 'slay juerd' 14:45
Juerd_ rafl: Hehe 14:48
rafl: It was the router
rafl: Unavoidable.
rafl What did the router do? 14:49
Juerd_ Disable an interface on which part of the internet was no longer routable. 14:55
It then can take a few minutes before the entire chain, upto your provider, knows how to route the packets again.
rafl Oh well.. :-(
Let's hope that doesn't happen during my GPW talk. 14:56
Juerd_ It can always happen
rafl We're pretty much pissed if we don't have a box that run's pugs.
Juerd_ It's a mechanism that keeps thingsn running :)
For other people, feather had been offline for 10 minutes 14:57
And longer if this hadn't happened
rafl Well, news wrt the european geek tour? :-) 14:58
Juerd_ No
But I have set aside some money to be able to go to 22c3
Need a little more, or else I'll have to do without food for a few days, but I think I'll manage 14:59
rafl Great!
Maybe Sven can help out with some food for those four days. :-)
Traveling by train or car or plain?
Juerd_ Car
Traveling by car is cheaper, especially if I can find a passenger
It's approx. 90 euros per drive, based on German fuel prices. 15:00
rafl usually pays <5EUR for Chemnitz -> Berlin
Juerd_ LPG is even cheaper in .nl, so if I fill it up before the border, it'll be even cheaper :)
Amsterdam - Berlin costs approx. 165 15:01
And Dordrecht - Amsterdam some 20
rafl Hm, OK.
rafl needs to leave now. 15:02
Juerd_ OK, bye
BTW - will you also be staying at Sven's?
rafl Yes. 15:03
Juerd_ Great :)
rafl nearly always sleeps at Sven's place when he's in Berlin.
15:03 Lopo_ is now known as Lopo
rafl There are big, fat cats that you can use as a pillow there. 15:03
Juerd_ Cats++ 15:04
rafl The big fat ones only. The small ones always bite me.
Juerd_ Note to self: bring extra duct tape to mend air bed.
rafl :-) 15:05
Bye.
xgl @y[$x++]++ <- is this legal? 17:03
?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[$x++]++; $x 17:06
17:06 evalbot_8068 is now known as evalbot_8071
evalbot_8071 \3 17:06
xgl ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[$x++]++; @y
evalbot_8071 [1, 2, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]
xgl ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; ${@y[$x++]}++; $x 17:07
evalbot_8071 \1
xgl ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; ${@y[$x++]}++; @y
evalbot_8071 [2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]
xgl ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; ++${@y[++$x]}; @y
evalbot_8071 [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]
r0nny xgl: u midded to add a loop
eh missed
?eval my @foo=1..0;for @foo -> $bar { $bar++};@foo 17:08
evalbot_8071 []
r0nny ops
xgl ?eval my @foo = 1..9; for @foo -> $bar {$bar++}; @foo 17:11
evalbot_8071 Error: Can't modify constant item: VRef <Scalar>
r0nny ?eval my @foo=1..9;for @foo -> $bar is rw { $bar++};@foo
evalbot_8071 [2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10]
r0nny ?eval my @foo=1..9;for @foo -> $bar { $bar++};@foo
evalbot_8071 Error: Can't modify constant item: VRef <Scalar>
r0nny ?eval my @foo=1..9;map{$_++}@foo 17:12
evalbot_8071 Error: Can't modify constant item: VInt 1
r0nny ?eval my @foo=1..9;for @foo -> $bar ia rw { $bar++};@foo
evalbot_8071 Error: unexpected "f" expecting ";", statements or end of input reserved word
r0nny ?eval my @foo=1..9;for @foo -> $bar is rw { $bar++};@foo
evalbot_8071 [2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10]
r0nny ?eval my @foo=1..9;for @foo -> $bar is rw { $ar++ if $bar==5;};@foo 17:13
evalbot_8071 Error: Undeclared variable: "$ar"
r0nny ?eval my @foo=1..9;for @foo -> $bar is rw { $bar++ if $bar==5;};@foo
evalbot_8071 [1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9]
xgl so @y[$x++]++ should not be legal, because it applies '++' in list context?
r0nny actually it is legal 17:14
cause [] returns a object
xgl but that object is an one-element list though, right? 17:15
r0nny actually i dont know
try it
xgl ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[5] 17:16
r0nny no space in front of the ?
xgl ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[5]
evalbot_8071 \6
xgl ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[$x]
evalbot_8071 \1 17:17
r0nny ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[5,7]
evalbot_8071 [6, 8]
r0nny ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[5..7]
evalbot_8071 [6, 7, 8]
r0nny ok
xgl ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[$x++]
evalbot_8071 [1,]
r0nny if u supply a list of indexes, it returns a list
xgl but if i apply a single index, it returns a scalar? what about that last expression .. @y[$x++] ... shouldn't that return a scalar instead of '[1,]? 17:18
r0nny maybe a bug 17:19
im not sure
i dont know the effect $++ has in combination with the ++ op
try ++$x 17:20
?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[++$x]
evalbot_8071 [2,]
r0nny ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[(++$x)]
evalbot_8071 [2,]
r0nny ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[$x)]
evalbot_8071 Error: unexpected "[" expecting word character, "::", term postfix, operator, postfix conditional, postfix loop, postfix iteration, ";" or end of input
r0nny ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[$x]
evalbot_8071 \1
r0nny ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[$x++.scalar]
xgl ok, i think the inconsistency between @y[$x] and @y[$x++] is probably a bug, but i'm not sure which behavior is canonically correct.
evalbot_8071 Error: unexpected "[" expecting word character, "::", term postfix, operator, postfix conditional, postfix loop, postfix iteration, ";" or end of input
r0nny ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[scalar $x++]
evalbot_8071 Error: No such method: "&scalar" 17:21
r0nny ?eval my int $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[$x++]
evalbot_8071 [1,]
r0nny ?eval my int $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[{$x++}]
evalbot_8071 Error: cannot cast from VCode (MkCode {isMulti = False, subName = "<anon>", subType = SubBlock, subEnv = Just (MkEnv {envContext = CxtSlurpy (mkType "Any"), envLValue = False, envLexical = MkPad (padToList [("$?1",[(<ref>,<ref>)]),("$_",[(<ref>,<ref>)]),("$__evalbot_print",[(<ref>,<ref>)]),("$code",[(<ref>,<ref>)]),("$lang",[(<ref>,<ref>)]),("$x",[(<ref>,<ref>)]),("&?BLOCK_EXIT",[(<ref>,<ref>),(<ref>,<ref>),(<ref>,<ref>),(<ref>,<ref>),(<ref>,<ref>)
r0nny oh
nice to know ;P
xgl ?eval my int $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[${$x++}]
evalbot_8071 \1
xgl interesting ... 17:22
r0nny Juerd_: any idea whats up with this
anyway - need to solve some math problems 17:24
laterz
xgl thanx
Juerd_ r0nny: Up with what? 18:58
And why ask me?
rafl Juerd_: He learned that you're the one to blame. 19:30
kane_: How about JIB::PackageSet? 19:31
Juerd_ But I'm not! 19:36
rafl Of course!
You are. Who else should it be?
Juerd_ Saint Nicholas. 19:37
Be it Sinterklaas or Santa. I don't care.
rafl There's no Saint Nicholas. But there's a Juerd_.
Juerd_ I'm not real 19:38
Do you still believe in me?
rafl You sometimes say that you need money for food. 19:44
I guess no one who's not real does that. 19:45
Also I doubt that you would have reserved a place to sleep at Sven's place if you wouldn't even need one, because you don't exist.
And also typing would be hard without existing.
Juerd_ Who says that guy is me. 19:51
And that this line is typed.
xgl ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[$x] 20:15
evalbot_8071 \1
xgl ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[$x++]
evalbot_8071 [1,]
xgl why the difference? 20:16
nothingmuch autrijus: ping
Khisanth slice vs. element? 20:19
nothingmuch So, RorParams or Session::Flash ? 20:20
vote on the next RoR feature to steal
as I write Authentication::Credential::Htpasswd
oh, wait
wrong channel
xgl sure, but why slice in one instance, but element in the other?
Khisanth probably the operator 20:21
?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[$x+0] 20:22
evalbot_8071 \1
Khisanth hmm
autrijus greetings from osdc.com.au! 21:57
was without net access all of yesterday 21:58
obra autrijus!
how's osdc?
autrijus hey obra
just past reg, first welcome talk 'bout to start
obra nice. 21:59
svk pull on jifty and rm -rf all of RPS/web
autrijus okay... they are now all autogenned?
obra not autogenned. defautled. 22:00
defaulted.
autrijus excellent
obra is ajaxifying the "admin" templates now
autrijus last year osdc didn't have wireless nor coffee... apparently this year they've fixed both for good
obra heh 22:01
also, all of our deps are now included. (pureperl + linux-686)
autrijus very exciting
obra :) 22:02
autrijus also, going to work with Alias on fixing M::I::* seriously
documenting the API along the way and add sensible tests
sorry for the long delay but we're getting around to it :)
obra nice
autrijus pulls parrot 040 and tests the usual pugs compat 22:07
nothingmuch autrijus: is HTML::FromANSI on svn somewhere? 22:11
obra: who do i complain to when I don't get mail from rt.cpan.org on bugs opening (just getting updated?) 22:12
autrijus nothingmuch: no but you are free to create a openfoundry project...
nothingmuch autrijus: naaah.... darcs is easier
autrijus feel free to setup darcs for it
nothingmuch i'll import from CPAN and make a release tomorrow
autrijus please do
DesreveR re
22:12 DesreveR is now known as r0nny
autrijus greetings r0nny 22:12
nothingmuch goes back to catalyst land 22:13
r0nny yo autrijus
nothingmuch let's see hwo many plugins I can release today ;-)
autrijus nothingmuch: go fer it :) I'm currently in Jifty land and may or may not come back to Cat later :)
(I'm also rapidly running out of battery, so expect drop any time)
r0nny Juerd_: there was something odd with list access
?eval my int $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[$x++] 22:14
evalbot_8071 [1,]
r0nny why does this return a list ?
autrijus ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @x[$x+1]
evalbot_8071 Error: Undeclared variable: "@x"
autrijus ?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[$x+1] 22:15
evalbot_8071 \2
r0nny hmm
odd
autrijus fixing
r0nny ?eval my int $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; @y[++$x]
evalbot_8071 [2,]
autrijus fixed
r0nny hmm
in svn ? 22:16
atm i feel like updating parrot, and pugs
obra nothingmuch: you complain to me
diotalevi Hey, is that M::I::* that was mentioned earlier Module::Info of perl5? I'm doing some work to merge its forked B::Utils with the cpan B::Utils (and add tests n stuff)
obra nothingmuch: what bug was it and when?
autrijus diotalevi: Module::Install, sadly
not ::Info
diotalevi Oh. Nevermind then.
autrijus r0nny: will commit after I run some tests (and if battery still up) 22:17
r0nny hmm
darn ;P
guess i wont update this day
autrijus hm? I'm committing already
r0nny: can you write a test for it? 22:18
r0nny yeah
obra nothingmuch: I certainly get notifications when bugs are created. I'd be happy to check logs
autrijus cool... see my commit log
r9072
er, r8072
now I must drop... bbiab 22:19
nothingmuch obra: can't remember when last bug was openend... IIRC ~ 2-3 weeks ago 22:20
does it send to [email@hidden.address] ?
obra if that's listed as the owner of the module, yes
r0nny btw - is there a test for the broken method dispatcher ?
nothingmuch owner of the module?
isn't this in my pause account?
obra yes, it's fed from pause 22:21
svnbot6 r8072 | autrijus++ | * r0nny pointed out that post/pre ++/-- doesn't impose scalar
r8072 | autrijus++ | context by default:
r8072 | autrijus++ | my $x = 0; my @y = 1..9; is(@y[++$x].perl, '\\2')
r8073 | autrijus++ | * My official english name is also changed on the passport...
r8073 | autrijus++ | Reflect it in AUTHORS.
obra and goes to your @CPAN.ORG address
nothingmuch aye
obra: i'll let you know if i suuspect this happenned again 22:22
obra thanks
nothingmuch i didn't get a mail for this one, for example: rt.cpan.org/NoAuth/Bug.html?id=15886 22:23
obra November 17 is a bit far back in time for me to have logs for ;) 22:24
(Nov 27 or so is the most recent I've got) 22:25
r0nny odd
nothingmuch okay 22:26
r0nny ?eval my $x=0;my @foo=1..9;say @foo[++$x];
22:26 evalbot_8071 is now known as evalbot_8073
evalbot_8073 OUTPUT[4 ] bool::true 22:26
r0nny wth? 22:27
?eval my $x=0;my @foo=1..9;say @foo[$x+1];
evalbot_8073 OUTPUT[2 ] bool::true
r0nny ?eval my $x=0;my @foo=1..9;say @foo[$x++];
evalbot_8073 OUTPUT[3 ] bool::true
r0nny ALLERT
++ op broke 22:28
?eval my $x=0;my @foo=1..9;say @foo[$x+=1];
evalbot_8073 OUTPUT[4 ] bool::true
r0nny ?eval my $x=0;my @foo=1..9;say @foo[$x++];
evalbot_8073 OUTPUT[3 ] bool::true
r0nny ?eval my $x=0;my @foo=1..9;say @foo[$x+1];
evalbot_8073 OUTPUT[2 ] bool::true
r0nny ?eval my $x=0;my @foo=1..9;say @foo[$x];
evalbot_8073 OUTPUT[1 ] bool::true
r0nny ?eval my $x=0;my @foo=1..9;say @foo[$x++];
evalbot_8073 OUTPUT[3 ] bool::true
r0nny ?eval my $x=0;my @foo=1..9;say @foo[{$x++}]; 22:29
evalbot_8073 Error: cannot cast from VCode (MkCode {isMulti = False, subName = "<anon>", subType = SubBlock, subEnv = Just (MkEnv {envContext = CxtSlurpy (mkType "Any"), envLValue = False, envLexical = MkPad (padToList [("$?1",[(<ref>,<ref>)]),("$_",[(<ref>,<ref>)]),("$__evalbot_print",[(<ref>,<ref>)]),("$code",[(<ref>,<ref>)]),("$lang",[(<ref>,<ref>)]),("$x",[(<ref>,<ref>)]),("&?BLOCK_EXIT",[(<ref>,<ref>),(<ref>,<ref>),(<ref>,<ref>),(<ref>,<ref>),(<ref>,<ref>)
r0nny ops
n8 22:34
autrijus it's a separate bug in t/pugsbugs/postincrement_in_subscripts.t 23:21
will fix
mm the first talk (what's new in python) is nice 23:30
coros (&coro.next that passes value to yield()); new "functional" module that introduces currying 23:32
setuptools (CPAN.pm shell like);
package support in indexer and much more metadata; everything moved to svn;
shared AST structure (macro exposed to python land) among Jython, PyPy and CPython 23:33
all these coming to Python 2.5 (alpha1 next March)
integral hmm, perl6 is missing quite a bit of that in spec form
autrijus yup.
the specific Syns still has some way to go compared to detailed PEPs. 23:34
wolverian now they just need to get rid of the "parens are required when calling a function" thing 23:37
:)
integral and add {, }, and ;, and define layout as just adding appropiate ones ;-) 23:38
autrijus :D 23:39
autrijus is reading up on Paste/WSGI 23:40
wolverian I'm fine with whitespace, except when ruby makes it impossible to use .map and such nicely
autrijus I'm... obviously biased in favor of optional layout :)
wolverian also, I didn't realise ruby doesn't require ()s on if clauses. that's neat. (and somehow familiar.. ;) 23:41
integral you can't write one-liners with mandatory layout 23:42
autrijus pugscode.org/euroscon/haskell.xul?page=46 # updated to highlight layouts 23:43
(also massively updated/reordered other places) 23:44
Alias++ for suggesting pugscode.org/euroscon/haskell.xul?page=18
(and the slide after that) 23:45
integral heh
Jooon I remember going OMGBBQ! when seeing that :) 23:46
autrijus bbq?
Jooon barbeque
autrijus meaning fried brain? 23:47
Jooon yes, even though I never thought of it like that :)
I just like the "acronym" OMBWTFBBQ very much 23:48
OMG*
!!!11 :)
dduncan g'day folks 23:58

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