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theorbtwo ruoso: Interesting... 01:21
nothingmuch ingy: stevan found us an apartment: newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/roo/144956640.html 01:33
obra nothingmuch: you're moving to .us? 01:34
nothingmuch obra: yes
obra cool 01:35
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ruoso is surprised that beer is mentioned so many times in his presentation 02:22
theorbtwo ruoso: Interesting indeed. Um, you mean perlmonks, right? 02:23
ruoso theorbtwo, yeah
theorbtwo Where is this presentation?
ruoso FLISOL 02:24
latin-american free software installation festival
this event takes place in more than 100 cities at the same day
theorbtwo I'm afraid I won't be able to attend, then. It'll be broadcast on the internet somehow? I'm very interested in what you have to say about us. 02:25
ruoso here in fortaleza, northeast of brazil, we also present talks... 02:26
theorbtwo, sorry... no broadcast... and the slides are mainly pictures from yapc::brasil::2005
theorbtwo Oh.
ruoso the subject of the talk is "The Monastery - or - why a isolated programmer is a dumb programmer..." 02:28
theorbtwo Heh.
Sounds interesting.
nothingmuch hmmm... late 02:29
sleepy time
theorbtwo G'night, nm.
ruoso needs to sleep too... the event starts in the next 8 hours... 02:30
bye 02:31
theorbtwo Bye! 02:32
You should maybe post your nodes as a PMDiscuss?
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meppl gute nacht 03:46
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wolverian www.bbspot.com/News/2002/11/fired.html ... :) 05:37
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coignard how long does src/Pugs/Parser.hs take to compile? 05:48
it's been like 20 minutes now, I swear 05:49
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gabor529 chown is mentioned in S29 but I could not find chmod anywhere, neither of them seems to be implemented in Pugs 08:53
are they going to be around ? will they work the same way as in Perl5 ?
gaal gabor529: feel free to propose how it should look like. it's easy to code, so feel free to commit too :) 09:06
gabor529 I can write tests for them... 09:07
gaal adding stuff to Prim.hs is a fun way to start haskell, go on you know you want to! 09:08
actually, there is a chmod already in pugs. 09:09
line 955 in Prim.hs
looks like it accepts a numerical mode and a list of files 09:10
and returns the count of successful chmods, which is kinda weird, because it also fails if it doesn't succeed :)
er no sorry, actually it doesn't fail on errors, it's doBoolIO not guardIO. 09:11
but that should probably be changed :)
gabor529 I think it should return the list of files that were successfully changed 09:13
gaal is that what p5 does? 09:16
no; p5 returns the count as well. 09:17
gabor529 yeah, but I don't learn much from that information alone 09:19
gaal agreed. by all means propose something better on p6l :) 09:20
gabor529 oh and it seems the stat() function of P5 is also missing from Pugs 09:53
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svnbot6 r9735 | szabgab++ | tests for chmod, 11:03
r9735 | szabgab++ | some of them fail
r9736 | szabgab++ | more entries in docs/quickref 11:09
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nothingmuch question: how do you call that wire mesh thing you bake on? 11:46
gabor529_ nothingmuch: mangel ? 12:03
I wonder if <a b c>.say should print a newline after each element 12:04
Gothmog_ I would think that <a b c>.say is more like say <a b c> than say for <a b c>? 12:07
nothingmuch gabor529_: reshet afiya 12:09
nothingmuch agrees with Gothmog_
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nothingmuch otoh <a b c>Ā».say is like say for <a b c> 12:10
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gabor529_ I would like to write ./pugs -e '"t/numbers.txt".slurp.uniq.say' 12:43
but now I need to write ./pugs -e '"t/numbers.txt".slurp.uniq.map:{"$_\n"}.say'
better yet I would like to write ./pugs -e '"t/numbers.txt".slurp.uniq.map:{"$_\n"}.say("out.txt")'
I mean without the map ./pugs -e '"t/numbers.txt".slurp.uniq.say("out.txt")' 12:44
Gothmog_ You can use what nothingmuch suggested... pugs -e '"t/numbers.txt".slurp.uniqōæ½xBB.say' 12:45
gabor529_ ok, I missed that, what is that sign after q ?I only see some black thing 12:46
Gothmog_ >> 12:47
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gabor529_ ?eval <a a b c>.uniq.say 13:12
evalbot seem to be down anyway 13:14
<a a b c>.uniq>>.say
unexpected ">"
and if I use a real >> then I get unexpected "\187" 13:15
Gothmog_ Probably the hyper operators are only partly implemented... 13:18
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svnbot6 r9737 | fglock++ | pX/PCR/opp - added ternary op; emits p6 or p5 code 13:55
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miyagawa audreyt: ping 14:17
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TimToady gabor529_: eventually <a a b c>.uniq.each: { .say } should work too. 14:56
avar will <a b a c>.uniq.each: { .say } give the same output? 15:00
or does the list need to be sorted like uniq(1) requires
TimToady that would depend on the implementatoin of .uniq which has never been specified, since Perl 5 doesn't have it. 15:05
I imagine the thinking with uniq(1) is that there might be some reason to want to collapse multiple runs for non-sorted data. 15:06
Of course, these days anyone would use sort -u for that....
(I mean, for the .sort.uniq case)
gah, no coffee yet... 15:07
gabor529_ I am not picking on uniq here, I am just trying to figure out how to replace the unix pipeline in a fashionable way within Perl6 15:08
miyagawa TimToady: ohayo! 15:10
TimToady miyagawa: sochira mo! 15:11
miyagawa TimToady: I assume your flight is a few hours away. Have a safe flight! (Yoi Tabi wo!)
TimToady 恝恆恗恟恄态悈ļ¼ 15:12
I sent my preliminary slides to Kondo-san.
miyagawa TimToady: appreciated. 15:13
(sorry, my irc terminal doesn't grok UTF-8 ...)
TimToady 'sou shitai, yo!' to katta.
miyagawa wakari masita :) 15:14
TimToady *kaita
*kakimashita
*okaki shimashita
Limbic_Region hands TimToady some virtual coffee 15:16
TimToady LR: thnx
avar TimToady: I guess you could make arguments for <a b a c>.uniq => qw(a b c) or qw(a b a c) both ways
avar wonders when the other would be useful
miyagawa TimToady: Considerign your Japanese skills, this Marty's talk tokyo.yapcasia.org/sessions/_kongougo.html looks very interesting. 15:17
TimToady zannen desu ga, nihongo de wakari-nikui. nihongo de, atama ga taihen osoku... 15:18
*osoi
jitsu wa, eigo de sono hanashi wo kikimashita. 15:21
miyagawa naruhodo! 15:22
was it interesting?
TimToady hai
gabor529_ are we going to have a slurp that does *not* chomp the newline or a "say" that adds a newline to every element in list context ?
the latter can be solved with a map in front but it looks less natural 15:23
TimToady slurp should not autochomp.
nothingmuch hat if it's chuck norris slurping?
gabor529_ TimToady: not even in list context ? 15:24
TimToady slurp never splits, even in list context. The whole point of slurp is to return the entire file as one string. 15:25
nothingmuch list context is the =<> fish operator
it's readline
and it's lazy
so it accomodates both slurping and loop-reading
and it autochomps based on the handle's options, right?
gabor529_ then "t/numbers.txt".slurp.say should be cat, but it is not for me 15:26
TimToady Actually, it should add a newline. You want .print for that.
gabor529_ it eliminates the newlines from between the lines
nothingmuch gabor529_: then it's a bg 15:27
bug
gabor529_ then "t/numbers.txt".slurp.print gives the same
nothingmuch gabor529_: add tests please =)
gabor529_ nothingmuch: sure
TimToady my attention will be spotty now--have to go pack for Japan... 15:29
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gabor529_ If I am not mistaken my chomp should work in list context on each element like in perl5 ? @a = chomp ("abc\n", "bcd\n"); 15:43
@a is ("abc\n", "bcd") in my Pugs 15:44
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avar it still works in place (in p5) 15:49
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mc__ is perl6 ready for serious development on it? 16:32
merlyn development to finish perl6, yes. :)
using perl6 for production, not quite.
it'll be ready "by christmas"
mc__ merlyn: this year christmas? 16:33
merlyn that's not quite clear
mc__ merlyn: ok thanks
svnbot6 r9738 | szabgab++ | test chomp in list context 16:53
r9738 | szabgab++ | it seems to join its paramaters into one string
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coignard hmm 17:28
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rindolf Hi all! 17:30
How do I generate the HTML output for the test?
How do I generate the HTML output for the *tests*?
jisom make smoke?
svnbot6 r9739 | szabgab++ | some more string related tests 17:33
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nothingmuch www.instructables.com/ex/i/961CB130...143E7E506/ 17:54
rindolf jisom: thanks 17:55
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rindolf Damn - it takes a long time to run make smoke. 18:53
nothingmuch well, the pugs test suite is huge 19:01
rindolf nothingmuch: yeah 19:09
That and pugs is slow.
coignard heh.
gaal commits welcome
coignard I am running it on 400mhz cpu
gaal: I soon as as make ends of it, just downloaded pugs last night 19:10
:)
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rindolf It finished. 20:00
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spinclad nm: 'wire mesh thingy': we call it a rack here (oven rack) (top rack, middle rack, bottom) 21:17
we cooked some pizza here last night in 8x8" (20 x 20 cm) pans (too small) -- the first one didn't cook the dough through, the second we left in a long time and was crunchy but good. 21:20
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Toaster pizza should always be cooked on a solid preheated tray, smeared with flour and oliveoil 21:45
otherwise the base doesn't crisp
(at the highest shelf of the oven)
PerlJam Toaster: pizza should always be cooked on a pizza stone. 21:52
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nothingmuch lowest place in the oven emulates a pizza stone 22:05
that's my rationale anyway 22:06
and it works for me =)
PerlJam nothingmuch: no, a pizza stone is porous. Your typical cookie sheet or pan or whatever isn't. 22:07
(but if it works for you, then it works for you. :-)
nothingmuch the cookie sheet is very temporary 22:08
it stays there only so that it doesn't stick to the rack 22:09
otherwise the dough is cooked to deeply
err, baked
PerlJam nothingmuch: oh, that's excellent too. Cook it just enough for the dough to support itself, then remove the cookie sheet. 22:10
PerlJam always just uses a stone though :)
nothingmuch i don't have a stone
please post a comment in step 6
on how to use one
PerlJam Really it should be in step 5 I think. You need to get the stone hot with the oven. 22:14
nothingmuch PerlJam: also, i slightly rephrased step 6 to make it clearer what the sheet's purpose is
okay
from a chronological POV that makes sense
however from a versioning point of view i still think it relates more to baking
PerlJam Once the stone is hot, you just put the pizza on it an let it cook :) 22:15
nothingmuch aye
PerlJam some people (my wife) put corn meal to prevent sticking, but really I think that's just left-over knowledge that doesn't apply to the stone (I've yet to have *anything* stick on the stone)
nothingmuch glue? 22:16
PerlJam Though If you've spilled some cheese on the stone before and didn't clean it well, it may leave a slick (non-porous) spot that I would imagine could cause food to stick. 22:17
nothingmuch hmm 22:18
how pourus is it? like teapot clay? lava rock?
PerlJam Um I don't know what "teapot clay" is like (my teapots are all either ceramic or metal) but it's definitely *not* like lava rock :) 22:19
It's porous enough that if you drop some water on it, it will seep through rather quickly. 22:20
I guess it's kind of like unglazed tile 22:21
or perhaps dry but unfired clay brick. 22:22
nothingmuch hm
PerlJam er, scratch that last one, it's not like unfired clay
nothingmuch PerlJam: so, are you posting? ;-) 22:24
PerlJam too distracted at the moment. 22:25
nothingmuch okies =)
i'll make a script that uses WWW::Mechanize to mail you every hour that you didn't
svnbot6 r9740 | fglock++ | pX/PCR - /(.)*/ returns an array in @$0; t/06-subrule.t pass all tests 22:31
Toaster hm, hadn't thought of a pizza stone, not owning one 22:56
but with the materials available, a big slab of solid hot metal's worked well for me 22:57
. o O ( next on #perl6, get to know and love your ramen) 22:58
nothingmuch i gave up on that a while ago... too hard to clean, and since I learned about the sheet/rack trick i've been getting good results anyway
ramen?
maybe are pans are too thin 22:59
Toaster noodahls
nothingmuch i think they're cold again by the time i finish putting the pizza on them and back in the oven
also, they're not really metal
Toaster (pizza + ramen + jolt being the most stereotypical hacker food group i can think of)
nothingmuch they're covered by enamel
not this type of pizza =)
see also VICTUALS in pugs root ;-) 23:00
Toaster has :)
guess this pizzalore should be added to it
nothingmuch "commits welcome" 23:02
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