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| TimToady | as far as can tell, it basically means "addict lordling" | 00:03 | |
| 君子 by itself means a person of quality | 00:04 | ||
| but note even in English how modifiers tend to negate druglord and slumlord | 00:07 | ||
| obra | "He's an excellent slumlord" | 00:08 | |
| mugwump | yeah, interesting that it uses the child character there | 00:20 | |
| perhaps "master of addiction" would be a good retranslation :) | 00:21 | ||
| but still doesn't capture that addiction is a lower order state. hmm | 00:23 | ||
| TimToady | I thought "lordling" captured the youthfulness of it rather nicely. | 00:26 | |
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| svnbot6 | r10575 | audreyt++ | * recursive_definition.t: Mark as TODO, pending switch to OpTable | 00:57 | |
| mugwump | lordling's not a real word, it's not even in Webster :) | 00:59 | |
| szbalint | I beg to differ (if you were serious, not sarcastic). www.thefreedictionary.com/lordling | 01:04 | |
| mugwump | yeah, see, it's only in Houghton Mifflin | 01:05 | |
| how can you respect a dictionary that has words like "hummer" in it? :) | 01:07 | ||
| er, | 01:08 | ||
| mugwump frantically tries to find a better example of US dialect to poke fun at | |||
| TimToady | google finds "lordling" in both American Heritage and Merriam-Webster. | 01:09 | |
| mugwump | weird. time to throw away dictionary.com I guess | 01:10 | |
| audreyt | er, dictionary.com has it too. | 01:12 | |
| dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lordling | |||
| "A lord regarded as immature or insignificant." | |||
| mugwump | yes but it's american heritage... sorry I guess jokes based on etymological snobbery may be lost on some audiences :) | 01:13 | |
| TimToady | As I recall, I learned the word from a certain Tolkien... | 01:14 | |
| szbalint | I've been using szotar.sztaki.hu/webster/ for a while now... | ||
| mugwump | it's in Tolkien but not in Oxford? bizarre | ||
| szbalint | 'Worm! Worm!' Saruman called; and out of a nearby hut came Wormtongue, crawling, almost like a dog. To the road again, Worm!' said Saruman. 'These fine fellows and lordlings are turning us adrift again. Come along!' | 01:16 | |
| TimToady | It's mentioned as an example under -ling, I think. | 01:17 | |
| mugwump will refer to smokers and drug addicts as "addiction lordling" from now on | 01:20 | ||
| TimToady has a hard enough time remembering 唐 without trying to remember 癮 as well. | 01:24 | ||
| mugwump | there's a lot of radicals in that one huh | 01:27 | |
| er, strokes | |||
| SamB | TimToady: maybe nobody thought it was the sort of word you needed to list in the dictionary in Oxford, because they all know how to use the formation rules ;-) | ||
| mugwump | there's a subtle difference I think, but largely between my personal definition of -ling and the actual definition | 01:31 | |
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| TimToady | well, it's still less than half the strokes of 龘 | 01:41 | |
| As for radicals, that depends on how you count (and define) radicals. I can count it anywhere from 2 to 7 radicals. | 01:44 | ||
| mugwump | ah, I had the thought for a moment that only one could be called the radical | ||
| ie, the one you look it up with | |||
| TimToady | that's one definition of radical | 01:45 | |
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| TimToady | but leaving out the "the one you look it up by" part, if you just count official radicals, there are 6 | 01:46 | |
| I can only get it up to 7 by separating out "illness" into "ice" and "bigroof", which is kind of cheating. | 01:47 | ||
| on the other hand, "Heart" obviously contains a "hook" radical, but it's not clear what you'd call the other three ticks... | 01:48 | ||
| audreyt | curious that wiktionary claims that the "excellent" meaning of "rad" comes from abbrev. of "radical" | ||
| TimToady | This is a strange channel, where English speakers discuss Chinese while Chinese speakers discuss English. :) | 01:51 | |
| SamB | audreyt: what is so curious about that? | ||
| lots of people believe it, whether or not it is true! | |||
| TimToady | Hmm, well, I think it's surfer talk, and there are a lot of surfers around here who think it came from "radical". | 01:52 | |
| QtPlatypus | What is the alternative idea of its source? | 01:53 | |
| audreyt | there is no alternative idea, it's just the connection never occured to me | 01:54 | |
| QtPlatypus nods | 01:55 | ||
| audreyt | (and indeed its etymology is listed as surfer talk) | ||
| QtPlatypus doesn't think that "rad" meaning excelent comes from the unit of radation dose. | 01:56 | ||
| mugwump | radical means, like, far out, man | ||
| audreyt | developer.mozilla.org/es4/ is very rad. | 01:57 | |
| TimToady | these surfers are from northern California, where radicals are just considered progressive progressives | 01:58 | |
| and ordinary democrats are suspected of being too conservative. | 01:59 | ||
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| SamB | the idea that it might not be short for radical had not occurred to me ;-) | 02:11 | |
| audreyt | leo: are you looking at the weird parrot bug coming from array_cap.t? | 02:12 | |
| leo: it says something about unicode and ascii and encoding but it looks bogus | |||
| SamB laments that some people think that wordplay, like that of shakespeare, is a thing of the past -- or do I laugh at them? they obviously don't know my family too well... | 02:16 | ||
| svnbot6 | r10576 | audreyt++ | * array_cap.t: Mark the segfaulting-on-linux-when-run-in-batch-mode | 02:31 | |
| r10576 | audreyt++ | second test -- full recovery from embedded PGE failures is not | |||
| r10576 | audreyt++ | exactly obvious to do | |||
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| mdiep | is there a document on Perl6 POD somewhere? I'm having trouble even finding discussions in the list archives, though I know I've seen them | 03:19 | |
| oh, I found the thread. goodie. | 03:21 | ||
| looks highly speculative though | 03:23 | ||
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| Tman | where's an overview of the changes in regex syntax for perl6? | 03:25 | |
| mdiep | svn.perl.org/viewcvs/perl6/doc/trun...yn/S05.pod | 03:26 | |
| audreyt | mdiep: svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/docs/Perl6...tation.pod | ||
| Tman | thanks | ||
| obra | hiya audreyt | 03:34 | |
| audreyt | hi obra | 03:38 | |
| congrats re bestpractical.com/news/svk.html | |||
| nice to see Pugs's deveopment-tool-of-choice becoming more supported :D | 03:39 | ||
| obra | Thanks :) | 03:40 | |
| We're very excited | |||
| hey. are you up for some jifty tutorial SEEing this week? | 03:41 | ||
| audreyt | friday possibly | ||
| or sat | |||
| obra | ok. my friday is pretty bad | ||
| but that's mostly your saturday morning ;) | |||
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| audreyt | hey cmarcelo. BitSet2 looks sane | 03:43 | |
| though this line | |||
| class Enum a => HashIO a where | |||
| is probably wrong | |||
| that makes HashIO a subclass of Enum | |||
| we want the other way around | |||
| i.e. generate instances of HashIO for Enum types | |||
| instance Enum a => HashIO a where ... | 03:44 | ||
| but you should be free to instance HashIO for non-Enum types | |||
| for example, "IORef Int" is perfectly HashIOable | |||
| but not an enum | |||
| makes sense? | |||
| cmarcelo | audreyt: i know.. i was asking about it in #haskell, as far as I understood, the best scenario (having "class HashIO" and providing default impl for Enum) isnt possible.. | 03:45 | |
| audreyt | why? all you need is overlapping/incoherent instances | ||
| cmarcelo | well, GHC becames in doubt when there are two options to choose... i even suggested if there were some way to choose a more specific, but defining most specific in type classes maybe very hard for some cases... | 03:47 | |
| audreyt | cmarcelo: not so | 03:52 | |
| fixed; see my commit | |||
| cmarcelo | ?? .. svn up'ing.. | 03:53 | |
| lambdabot | Maybe you meant: . v | ||
| svnbot6 | r10577 | audreyt++ | * make Enum a subclass, not superclass, of HashIO | 03:55 | |
| audreyt | actually, undecidable instance is the only thing needed | 04:02 | |
| overlapping/incoherent is not neccessary | |||
| gaal | good moose, all | 04:03 | |
| audreyt | hey gaal | 04:04 | |
| gaal | hi audreyt :) | ||
| cmarcelo | audreyt: err.. sorry =(... my mistake.. I even pasted (in #haskell) this solution yesterday but probably it get an error from other mistake made in the code... =P | ||
| gaal | so what's this HashIO thing? fast what? | ||
| audreyt | I need to run for a bit. bbiab :) | ||
| gaal: fast mutable collections | 04:05 | ||
| gaal | oh! I thought judy was givign that | ||
| audreyt | cmarcelo will explain it to you :) | ||
| cmarcelo | gaal: we are doing fast mutable collections using Judy as backend... but the "fast" part still need to be tested =o) | 04:06 | |
| gaal | :) | ||
| cmarcelo | audreyt: are you coming back "today"? | 04:07 | |
| gaal: are you same gaal friend of evan.livejournal ? | |||
| gaal | yup :) | 04:08 | |
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| gaal | so where do I read up on HashIO? | 04:11 | |
| cmarcelo | gaal: the code is in pugs tree: third-party/HsJudy. I'm still learning Haskell so some parts of code will "sound stange" =P... We are using this class to restrict which types may be used to Index a BitSet (map values to bits.. "equivalent" to a Set).. BitSet is backended by Judy1 (one of Judy datatypes). | 04:21 | |
| gaal: and this is my project for summer of code for Haskell.org.. | 04:25 | ||
| gaal | ooh, cool | 04:26 | |
| audreyt: instead of the compensate-for-ext/ heuristic in yaml_harness (r10554), maybe we should prefer shuffle? it's a little less convenient perhaps because tests aren't run in order, but should be fairer, and doesn't need to have the ratio tweaked from time to time. | 04:30 | ||
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| spinclad | cmarcelo: pong | 05:21 | |
| cmarcelo | spinclad: hello. | 05:24 | |
| spinclad | hi, cmarcelo | ||
| cmarcelo | spinclad: did you take a look in my test using HSIter? | ||
| test/CheckDupLines2.c | 05:25 | ||
| spinclad | having some trouble compiling it, i may have interference from the installed libjudy | ||
| cmarcelo | hmm. here I installed your libjudy and it compiles fine. | 05:29 | |
| spinclad | i installed debian's libjudy, which of course doesn't have HSIter. dunno if that's what i'm seeing though. will purge that package and try again... | 05:30 | |
| cmarcelo | spinclad: need help? | 05:53 | |
| spinclad | not now i think, will shout if i do | 06:02 | |
| cmarcelo | ok | 06:04 | |
| svn help: i have files A and B, want to remove A and change B's name to A, keeping B history... it's ok to remove A and rename B to A in the same commit? | 06:08 | ||
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| svnbot6 | r10578 | cmarcelo++ | * HsJudy: some details in BitSet2 implementation. Freeze stuff. More tests. | 06:50 | |
| r10579 | cmarcelo++ | * HsJudy: removing old BitSet. | 07:03 | ||
| r10580 | cmarcelo++ | * HsJudy: new BitSet code. | 07:09 | ||
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| cmarcelo | audreyt: BitSet seems to be ok, even imported some Freeze code from old BitSet.. I was "fighting" with cabal, so will be easier to set a Pugs branch in my machine to hack Pugs.Prim using BS. | 08:15 | |
| spinclad: any progress? | 08:19 | ||
| cmarcelo fades away... & | 08:22 | ||
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| spinclad | cmarcelo: some progress, gdb showed me my first bug (duh); now recompiling libJudy with more debug info, to hope to see through my horrid macro expansions. | 11:10 | |
| svnbot6 | r10581 | spinclad++ | - JudyHSIter: first bug found (d'oh), more to come... | 11:16 | |
| spinclad | more after a sleep(3) cycle... & | 11:17 | |
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| Bleadof grins | 11:56 | ||
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| svnbot6 | r10582 | audreyt++ | * recursive_definition.t: fix test count. | 14:38 | |
| scw | audreyt: where do you think I should put Parsec.pm in? Pugs-Compiler-Rule/lib/Pugs/Emitter/Rule or create another Pugs-(something like that) directory? | 14:55 | |
| audreyt | the fomrer | 15:07 | |
| scw | okey | 15:10 | |
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| ludan | ciao | 16:06 | |
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| ludan | re | 16:25 | |
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| pasteling | "leo" at 195.3.113.167 pasted "Test results r10582 on x86/linux" (21 lines, 1.3K) at sial.org/pbot/17612 | 17:07 | |
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| Tman | can anyone tell me how correct this is? peltkore.net/~tman/bouncer.txt | 19:00 | |
| prefiks | Tman: you should s/rule/token/ in some places i think | 19:11 | |
| Tman | I don't know the difference :p | ||
| prefiks | in rule spaces are significant - they are replaced by <ws> rule in token they are eaten | 19:12 | |
| Tman | ahh | 19:13 | |
| does <ws> match any number of whitespace (including 0)? | |||
| kolibrie | <?ws> matches any number of whitespace, including 0 | 19:14 | |
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| prefiks | more or less, spaces are required between two word chars | 19:14 | |
| /a<ws>b/ will not match ab | 19:15 | ||
| Tman | alright | ||
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| PerlJam | Tman: <ws> and <?ws> are the same and they both match any number of whitespace characters. <ws> means \s+ between tokens and \s* otherwise. | 19:35 | |
| <?ws> tells perl to not capture and save the whitespace that was matched in the match object. | 19:36 | ||
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| Tman | PerlJam: thanks :D | 19:52 | |
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| beppu | ?eval my @list = (1,2,3) >>+<< (10, 20, 30); | 20:44 | |
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