6.2.12 released! | paste: sial.org/pbot/perl6 | pugs.blogs.com | pugscode.org | pugs.kwiki.org Set by audreyt on 26 June 2006. |
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meppl | gute nacht | 00:14 | |
Juerd | Schlaf gut | ||
And thanks for the multi channel spam | |||
meppl | gute nacht juerd | ||
Juerd | Danke :) | ||
audreyt | TimToady: #yapc is on the other network | 00:47 | |
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Juerd | audreyt: I've killed: 15945 ? Rl 5226:59 ./pugs -C Parse-YAML Prelude.pm | 01:16 | |
audreyt | okay. thanks | ||
Juerd | audreyt: Please watch your runaway processes :) | ||
audreyt | sorry :) | ||
ok. | |||
Juerd | I only noticed because the backup gzip started overlapping :) | 01:17 | |
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svnbot6 | r10960 | fglock++ | v6.pm - 'module name-0.01' compiles to 'package name; $name::VERSION = '0.01';' | 01:25 | |
r10960 | fglock++ | - '%*ENV<HOME>.say;' | |||
r10960 | fglock++ | - '$*ERR.say(123)' | |||
r10960 | fglock++ | - 'is export' | |||
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audreyt | fglock++ | 01:29 | |
audreyt cheerleads for v6.pm | |||
fglock | re v6.pm - it could already execute a trimmed-down Test.pm (w/o variable typing) | ||
audreyt | parse type and drop them | 01:30 | |
that's what I did | |||
you can do it too :) | |||
fglock: will you be around on thursday~sunday | |||
during the hackathon? | |||
fglock | cheating is soo easy :) | ||
audreyt | there will likely to be an influx to #perl6 | ||
fglock | I hope so | 01:31 | |
audreyt | cheating is the best way to get things done | ||
the house of card is a noble house | |||
but seriously, a type annotation has three effects (compile time storage allocation; compile time typecheck; runtime constraint) | |||
you can't do all of them at this moment trivially | |||
so it's best to parse them anyway | |||
and handle the parse later | |||
fglock | ok | 01:32 | |
I'm trying to do without a compile-time env - but full-Moose will need it | |||
audreyt | you will need it if you are to implement proper importing | 01:33 | |
or BEGIN block | |||
so it's doomed | |||
but comp-time env with p5 is particularly easy | |||
as you just reuse the p5 stashes | |||
fglock | I could use 'local', right? | 01:34 | |
audreyt | yes. | ||
fglock | does local interacts cleanly with threads? | ||
audreyt | you can also clear stash at end of compilation | ||
I believe so, even with shared vars | |||
fglock | how? | ||
audreyt | %Namespace:: = (); | 01:35 | |
fglock | ! | ||
audreyt | sub f { 5 } | ||
%main:: = (); | |||
f(5) | |||
...triggers a bus error her, wow | |||
s/her/here/ | |||
must be some unsafe bus driving | |||
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fglock | stevan: hi! | 01:36 | |
audreyt | but it works with %Namespace:: | 01:37 | |
just not main | |||
stevan: turns out with the contributor agreement, TPF can take your existing code on CPAN and re-release it with any other open source license; but allison said they won't do thta :) | |||
fglock | I'll be back later & | 01:38 | |
audreyt | ...and I'll sleep :) & | ||
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stevan | fglock: hello | 01:40 | |
ahhh,.. I missed him | 01:41 | ||
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markstos | I tried installing v6.pm, but there appears to be some kind of bootstrapping problem: rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=20152 | 04:12 | |
lambdabot | Title: "#20152: can't find own compile method" | ||
markstos | So then I thought I try compiling pugs, but Mandriva has a GHC 6.4 RPM, but the ChangeLog says I need 6.5.... this just became a little more involved than I was hoping. | 04:14 | |
cmarcelo | markstos: you don't need GHC 6.5 for compiling pugs. | 04:19 | |
markstos: and you don't need pugs to use v6.pm as far as i know... | 04:20 | ||
markstos | cmarcelo: I realized I didn't need pugs to try v6.pm-- I was just trying to different approach to try Perl6. | 04:21 | |
The ChangeLog says: "Removed support for GHC 6.4.0 and added support for GHC 6.5" | |||
It looks like I've having a problem compiling pugs anyway: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgmp" I'll take another look at INSTALL and see if it mentions something related. | 04:22 | ||
wolverian | markstos, that is 6.4.0, not the 6.4 series | ||
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cmarcelo | <markstos> I tried installing v6.pm, but there appears to be some kind of bootstrapping problem: rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=20152 | 04:24 | |
lambdabot | Title: "#20152: can't find own compile method" | ||
fglock | markstos: ping | ||
markstos | fglock: I'm here. Hello! | ||
fglock | did you run Pugs::Compiler::Rule Makefile.PL? this is needed to bootstrap the part of the compiler that is written in p6 | 04:25 | |
svnbot6 | r10961 | fglock++ | v6.pm - sub names are mangled; | ||
r10961 | fglock++ | - detailed signature parsing; | |||
r10961 | fglock++ | - added 'use v6-pugs' to Test.pm | |||
r10961 | fglock++ | - Test.pm emits completely! - doesn't run yet, needs more operators | |||
clkao | (!) | ||
fglock++ | |||
did you fix the pod parsing as well? ;) | |||
markstos | fglock: I'll try again now. | 04:26 | |
fglock | clkao: I removed to pod; didn't try | ||
clkao: there are some operators missing in the emitter, so most subs will not run | 04:27 | ||
clkao | lol | ||
is it correct to remove the pod? | |||
fglock | I'll fix the pod later :) | 04:28 | |
I removed the pod in my local copy only | |||
clkao | XD | ||
fglock: i got lost how to make grammer/pod parse everything correctly. | 04:29 | ||
even the current one with =begin doesn't really work, i tried to change the pod in test.pm to use =begin and =cut | |||
s/cut/end | |||
anyway, great work! | |||
markstos | fglock: I tried again: It still doesn't pass "make test"-- it fails the same way not finding the compile() method. | 04:31 | |
fglock | does Pugs::Compiler::Rule pass? | ||
markstos | flock: No there are lots of failures, starting with: "Can't locate object method "rule" via package "Pugs::Grammar::Rule" | 04:33 | |
Would you like me to post something more complete? | 04:34 | ||
I sent something to cpantesters, but I don't think it's gone through yet. | |||
fglock | one sec... | ||
you should have 2 files in lib/Pugs/Grammar/Rule/ - the .pmc file must have a newer date | 04:37 | ||
markstos looks | |||
Yes, I have them both, and .pmc is newer. | 04:38 | ||
fglock | what message you get with: perl -MPugs::Grammar::Rule -e 42 | 04:40 | |
markstos | Can't locate object method "rule" via package "Pugs::Grammar::Rule" at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7/Pugs/Compiler/Regex.pm line 52 | 04:42 | |
but I see that: "/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7/Pugs/Grammar/Rule/Rule.pmc" exists, and passes "perl -cw " | 04:43 | ||
fglock | sorry, did you type Pugs::Compiler::Rule instead of Pugs::Grammar::Rule? | 04:44 | |
markstos | fglock: I checked, and I did not. I copy/pasted the command you wanted me to run. | 04:45 | |
I | 04:46 | ||
I'm using Mandriva Linux 2006--- nothing too special about my Perl install. | |||
fglock: Thanks for your help with this! | |||
I was just hoping to be able to play with Perl6 a little. | |||
fglock | Pugs::Grammar::Rule doesn't use Pugs::Compiler::Rule - weird message | 04:47 | |
markstos | I was a little surprised to find no one is making Pugs binaries for Linux, at least that I found through pugscode.org | ||
fglock | there is a debian distribution | ||
markstos | When I try compiling Perl6::Pugs, I get "cannot find -lgmp" | 04:49 | |
Oh well, it seems like my Perl6 experiment wasn't meant to be this week! | 04:50 | ||
fglock | I'm sorry, I can't help with the v6 problem - would you try later? there will be more people around - audreyt and ingy maybe | ||
Captain_Fourier | markstos, what distro you need binaries for | ||
fglock | and there will be a pugs hackathon by the end of the week | 04:51 | |
markstos | Mandriva Linux. | ||
fglock: I appreciate your help! The Perl6-on-Perl5 concept is really amazing. | 04:52 | ||
Captain_Fourier: but other RPM-based distros would probably work, or even a staticly linked binary... | |||
fglock | markstos: packages.debian.org/unstable/interpreters/pugs - maybe you can install this | ||
lambdabot | Title: "Debian -- pugs" | ||
Captain_Fourier | hmm | 04:53 | |
fglock | markstos: as a last resort, try renaming the non-pmc file, so that perl can only find the pmc - but I think the problem is actually in another place | 04:57 | |
does this work? perl -MPugs::Grammar::Rule::Rule -e 42 | 04:59 | ||
that's the pmc file | |||
markstos | It turns out 6.2.9 was already packaged for Mandriva, and that was easy to install, so I'm happy. | 05:00 | |
markstos looks into fglock's question | |||
fglock: No: "Can't locate object method "rule" via package "Pugs::Grammar::Rule" at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7/Pugs/Compiler/Regex.pm line 52." | 05:01 | ||
Captain_Fourier | markstos, good stuff | ||
what kept you from finding it | |||
markstos | Is the namespace wrong there? Is there an issue with "::Rule" versus "::Rule::Rule" ? | 05:02 | |
fglock | Rule::Rule is the main Grammar file for Rules; it is called from ::Rule | 05:03 | |
. | 05:04 | ||
but the error message just don't make any sense - it is about another file | 05:05 | ||
pasteling | "markstos" at 75.22.29.118 pasted "fglock: full error" (8 lines, 760B) at sial.org/pbot/18048 | 05:06 | |
markstos | fglock: I thought more error context would be helpful. | 05:07 | |
fglock | cool - I think I found the problem - one sec. | 05:08 | |
moving Rule/Rule.pl out of the way may fix it - would you try? | 05:10 | ||
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fglock | actually, no - because Rule.pmc tests the checksum | 05:12 | |
mmm | |||
the problem is that Rule/Rule.pl has a 'use v6-pugs' line - this should not have been executed, but it was - it should only happen if the file date was wrong | 05:14 | ||
how about force installing Pugs::Compiler::Rule again | 05:15 | ||
markstos | OK. I'll try that. | ||
fglock | your compiler is not bootstrapped - Perl 6 needs Perl 6 to work :) | 05:17 | |
markstos | I tried, but "make install" reported that every file was "unchanged", so nothing different happened. | ||
fglock: It seemed like a kind of bootstrapping issue, but I wasn't sure what to do about it. | |||
fglock | try rm the files, so that it can fix the file dates | 05:18 | |
markstos | fglock: I rm'ed the pmc file, and that made it get re-installed, but the error remains. | 05:19 | |
fglock | can you rm both files? | ||
and Makefile.PL again | 05:20 | ||
then make install | |||
markstos | fglock, I'm sure what the second file you have in mind is? Is it something that "make distclean" would miss ? | 05:22 | |
fglock | Rule.pl and Rule.pmc in /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7/Pugs/Grammar/Rule/ | 05:23 | |
markstos | fglock: I did as you requested, and the issue persists. | 05:25 | |
fglock: Do you have the same kind of setup, with these modules installed into your system Perl tree? | 05:26 | ||
fglock | yes | ||
markstos | because I noticed some "use lib" lines in the source that required some relative paths, that seemed like they might work differently for the developers than most people. | ||
fglock | it should work without that | 05:27 | |
I've got a computer with RedHat - I'll try installing the modules there, later | 05:28 | ||
sleep time for me | |||
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markstos | fglock: me, too-- good night! | 05:28 | |
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fglock | & | 05:29 | |
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svnbot6 | r10962 | Darren_Duncan++ | ext/Relation/ : copied lib/Relation.pm to lib/Relation/Example.pm | 05:46 | |
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svnbot6 | r10963 | Darren_Duncan++ | ext/Relation/ : started evolving Relation.pm into a collection of generic Roles, and Example.pm into a collection of trivial classes that compose those roles | 08:35 | |
dduncan | on the other hand, perhaps I'll discard example.pm, and change relation.pm back into classes, but such that are easy to override the storage representations of | 08:40 | |
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audreyt | markstos's reported bug was because Mandriva was the only distro to have turned off .pmc support temporariy | 11:14 | |
if he had upgraded to latest perl prepared by rgs then the problem should go away | |||
rgs: is that correct? | |||
rgs | depends on the version of mdv | 11:15 | |
audreyt | "2006" he says | ||
rgs | I don't think there was an update for this one | ||
audreyt | hm. | ||
is one planned/possible, or should I tell him to build his own perl? | 11:16 | ||
and which one of mdv version can be upgraded to fix? | |||
rgs | the policy is that for base packages ("main") only security fixes gets updates | ||
or heavy bug fixes | 11:17 | ||
audreyt | that's understandable | ||
so what should I tell markstos? | |||
rgs | he can rebuild the rpm quite easily, iirc he just has to delete something from the ccflags | ||
audreyt | ok. can you post the ccflags instruction (as I don't have Mandriva here) | 11:18 | |
to rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=20152 ? | |||
lambdabot | Title: "#20152: can't find own compile method" | ||
rgs | audreyt: ok, will do (going out to lunch now) | 11:20 | |
audreyt | anke | ||
danke | |||
rgs++ | |||
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paultcochrane | ? | 11:48 | |
rgs | rt.cpan.org seems to be down... | 11:49 | |
audreyt | worksforme | 11:50 | |
just a bit slow | |||
maybe write to [email@hidden.address] and Cc [email@hidden.address] if you can't connect to rt.cpan.org? | 11:51 | ||
rgs | done now | ||
audreyt | woot | ||
rgs++ | |||
rgs | I mean, connection done :) | ||
it's damn slow. | 11:52 | ||
bug report updated ! | 12:00 | ||
audreyt | rgs++ | 12:02 | |
fglock: work that info into v6.pm POD maybe? | |||
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rgs | meeting abduction & | 12:02 | |
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svnbot6 | r10964 | fglock++ | v6.pm - pass t/01-pod.t; | 12:09 | |
r10964 | fglock++ | - $! is global | |||
r10965 | fglock++ | v6.pm - added 'BUGS' section; explain 'Can't locate object method "compile"' error | 12:21 | ||
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Limbic_Region | Juerd ping | 12:40 | |
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Juerd | Limbic_Region: pong | 12:53 | |
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renormalist | Hi all! Is *anyone* using (X)Emacs with the pugs/util/cperl-mode.el? I would love to hear *any* feedback whether it works for you as good as it seems to work for me. I also wrote a journal entry about the request for trying: use.perl.org/~schwigon/journal/30074, so please have a look if you are an Emacs and Perl6 user and send me feedback whether it works. (I just found some tuits to work on it a bit.) | 13:14 | |
lambdabot | Title: "Journal of schwigon (5350)" | ||
Limbic_Region | Juerd - not sure if you are aware, but connecting to #parrot on irc.perl.org is a no go from feather - "Closing Link feather.perl6.nl (No more connections allowed in your connection class)" | 13:16 | |
Juerd - I don't know if there is anything you can do about it as it is likely an IRC thing, but thought you should know | 13:17 | ||
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svnbot6 | r10966 | clkao++ | We are using best and might have YAML::Syck, don't do things like YAML::DumpFile. | 13:25 | |
renormalist | temaileedir | 13:28 | |
damn, wrong focus :-) | 13:29 | ||
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Limbic_Region | renormalist - just be glad it wasn't your root password | 13:33 | |
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theorbtwo | Limbic_Region: Tell the perl.org admins about it, they'll change the connection class. | 13:33 | |
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Juerd | Limbic_Region: irc.perl.org admins can increase the number of simultaneous connections. I'm connected, so I'll ask around | 13:35 | |
Limbic_Region | thanks Juerd | ||
I have only been lurking in #parrot anyway | |||
but since I can actually build parrot again I might get sucked back in | |||
Juerd | Feather got a positive treatment on freenode, so I assume magnet won't be a problem :) | 13:36 | |
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renormalist | Limbic_Region, puh, right ... | 13:48 | |
svnbot6 | r10967 | fglock++ | v6.pm - s/BUGS/REQUIREMENTS/ - added more instructions; | 14:04 | |
r10967 | fglock++ | - this is CPAN version 0.002 | |||
fglock | now it's only 998 versions away from 1.0 | 14:05 | |
PerlJam | 998 versions to go, 998 versions. take one down, patch it around, 997 versions to go. | 14:06 | |
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stevan | fglock: ping | 14:47 | |
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fglock | stevan: pong | 14:58 | |
svnbot6 | r10968 | fglock++ | v6.pm - 'expr unless/if expr;' | 15:01 | |
stevan | fglock: hey | 15:04 | |
fglock: I heard that you began the moose integration with v6 | |||
fglock | stevan: yes | 15:07 | |
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ludan | ola | 15:08 | |
stevan | fglock: where can i see this? | ||
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fglock | there is a sample file moose.pl that shows what's already done - one sec. | 15:09 | |
stevan | ok | ||
fglock | Pugs-Compiler-Perl6$ perl -Ilib lib/v6.pm --compile-only moose.pl | ||
stevan | has it been checked in? | 15:10 | |
fglock | It should be | 15:11 | |
stevan | oh,..sorry I was looking in the wrong directory | ||
fglock | ok | ||
compare the output with the original moose.pl | 15:12 | ||
accessors are not implemented yet | 15:13 | ||
audreyt | I really wonder if we should cleanup perl5/ and move misc/pX/Common/ there to save typing | ||
stevan | it would be easier to find there :) | ||
audreyt | the X in pX in particular is hard on my fingers | ||
since it can't be autocompleted | |||
fglock: thoughts? :) | 15:14 | ||
fglock | I'm ok with that - maybe update the links in the blog too | ||
please do :) | |||
audreyt | okie | ||
stevan | ok,.. I am going with nothingmuch for some breakfast | 15:15 | |
fglock | stevan: did it work? | ||
stevan | fglock++ # very very nice | ||
fglock | thanks! | ||
stevan | fglock: I had to remove my pugs checkout recently, so I cant test it at the moment | ||
also,.. I am very hungry and nothingmuch will kill me if I dont get off the computer | 15:16 | ||
but I will look when I return :) | |||
fglock | stevan: it is in cpan - you can download moose.pl from the web repo | ||
'install v6-pugs' | |||
stevan | yes, but I will need a fresh pugs checkout for the hackathon ;) | ||
bbiab | 15:17 | ||
fglock | audreyt: Test.pm compiles, but there are still some problems with Perl::Tidy and unimplemented ops | ||
audreyt | woot | 15:18 | |
fglock | I'm working to make your talk obsolete :) | 15:19 | |
just kidding | 15:20 | ||
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audreyt | fglock: no, that's the way to go :) | 15:22 | |
gaal | morning all | ||
audreyt | scw: I'll move your project as well | ||
scw: hopefully it's okay with you | |||
gaal takes a deep breath of IP packets | |||
stevan | gaal: moose!!!!!!!! | ||
gaal | megamoose | ||
I think we did good to come to the moose last night :) | 15:23 | ||
fglock | lunch & | ||
stevan | gaal: nothingmuch is downloading all the moose pictures from his camera right now | 15:25 | |
svnbot6 | r10969 | audreyt++ | * Move the v6 components (Pugs-Compilter-Perl6, Pugs-Compiler-Rule, | ||
r10969 | audreyt++ | Pugs-Grammar-MiniPerl6) to "perl5/", as they are now Pugs proper | |||
r10969 | audreyt++ | and should be built/tested by default. | |||
stevan | (which is why we still have not eaten) | ||
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stevan | the shoots of the entire room mooseing are excellent | 15:26 | |
the naked ingy moose,.. that one is a little disturbing | |||
clkao | XD | ||
stevan | its actually more of a strip tease | ||
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aufrank | a build issue: HsSyck and fps are rebuilt with each make and make install, but on OSX 10.3.9 I need to run ranlib on the libraries before the make can finish successfully | 15:42 | |
so I end up running ranlib on those archives in another terminal while the make is going on | |||
because if I do the ranlib after the make has failed, the libraries just get rebuilt when I run make again so the ranlib doesn't stick | 15:43 | ||
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xerox | yo audreyt | 15:48 | |
audreyt | yo | ||
xerox | keynote is SO effective! | ||
my presentation ruled :) | |||
audreyt++ presentation advices | 15:49 | ||
audreyt | yay | ||
url? :) | |||
xerox | it's in italian though | ||
audreyt | still :) | 15:50 | |
xerox | uploading | ||
haskell.galois.com/~paolo/tmp/La Bellezza in Matematica.pdf | |||
audreyt | danke | 15:51 | |
xerox | np! | ||
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audreyt | xerox: hey, you showed my favourite Pythagoras proof! | 15:53 | |
xerox | ah-ha! | ||
audreyt | complete with the Yang-Hui binominals | 15:55 | |
xerox | heh, boo Pascal :P | 15:57 | |
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svnbot6 | r10970 | fglock++ | added perl5/Pugs-Compiler-Perl6/MANIFEST | 16:19 | |
r10971 | fglock++ | v6.pm - updated MANIFEST | 16:22 | ||
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scw | audreyt: ok, so I'll work under perl5/ now :) | 16:25 | |
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audreyt | yay :) | 16:29 | |
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DebolazX | Hmm... no scrottie here.. | 16:30 | |
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nelt | eval? 1+1 | 17:47 | |
ZuluOne | I think you were after | ||
?eval 1+1 | |||
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kolibrie wakes up from his nap and heads to the lightning talks | 18:17 | ||
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rindolf | Hi all! | 18:48 | |
TimToady: here? | |||
audreyt: here? | |||
gaal: here? | |||
anybody: here? | |||
rindolf: here? | |||
I'd better stop "spamming" the channel. | |||
Aankhen`` | I'm sorry, I'm not here right now. :-( | 18:49 | |
ZuluOne | me neither | 18:50 | |
rindolf | Lightning Talks? | 18:57 | |
There's both Lightning and Lightening. English is crazy. | 18:58 | ||
Aankhen`` | Lightening is probably a typo. | ||
Unless you're talking about the verb lighten. | |||
ZuluOne | indeed | 18:59 | |
rindolf | Aankhen``: I know. But it's still an English word. | ||
Aankhen`` nods. | |||
rindolf | Which most spell-checkers don't catch. | ||
Some people I know made this mistake, and it even had this confused. | 19:00 | ||
rindolf is Israeli. | |||
Aankhen``: do you know szabgab? | |||
Aankhen`` | Ah. | ||
I'm afraid not. | |||
rindolf | Gabor Szabo, that is? | ||
Aankhen``: well, he's a Hungrian-Israeli who sort of did a benevolent hijack of the Israeli Perl Mongers from gaal. | 19:01 | ||
Aankhen`` | Oh, I see. | ||
rindolf | Aankhen``: but he started the monthly meetings, and the YAPC's (now OSDC's etc.) | ||
Aankhen`` | Okay. | ||
rindolf | Aankhen``: he did a lot for the mongers. | 19:02 | |
Aankhen`` | Kewl. | ||
rindolf | He's now a Perl/Web/QA/Subversion consultant (or is he a contractor) and trainer. | 19:03 | |
He's very busy now. | |||
Aankhen`` | Wah. | ||
Very active. | |||
rindolf | I think I he gave me the root password to perl.org.il, but I'm not sure. | ||
Did you hear about Test::Live? | |||
Aankhen`` | I don't think so... | ||
rindolf | We added tests to one of Alias' modules on an Israel.pm meeting. | 19:04 | |
Aankhen`` | Neat. | ||
rindolf | Also some comments in the code, where we said "What the hell are we supposed to do?" | ||
I like interactive sessions. | |||
Well not exactly "WTH?" but along these lines. | |||
Aankhen`` | Hehe. | 19:05 | |
rindolf | I think some of the Linux kernel source is very funny. | ||
Aankhen`` | Alright, I really need to crash. | ||
rindolf | Aankhen``: bye. | ||
Aankhen`` | I'll catch up with you guys in the morning. | ||
G'night. | |||
A pleasure talking to you, as always. :-) | |||
rindolf | Hi ZuluOne | 19:06 | |
ZuluOne: are you a Pugs hacker? | |||
ZuluOne | not exactly | ||
more of a lurker | |||
in fact, s/not exactly/no/ | 19:07 | ||
rindolf | ZuluOne: OK. | ||
ZuluOne: got any CPAN modules or anything FOSSie? | |||
ZuluOne: not that I'll hold it against you if you do. | |||
ZuluOne | define "got" | ||
rindolf | There's an Israeli BSD contributor who's flaming people for not contributing enough, or that their code is GPL, or that they are "bad programmers". | 19:08 | |
ZuluOne: he thinks 95% of the code is in the bottom 5%. | |||
ZuluOne: do you have a PAUSE ID? | |||
ZuluOne | I worked on enlightenment a few years ago; more recently POV-Ray and TA Spring. | 19:09 | |
rindolf | ZuluOne: did you contribute any code to open source projects? | ||
ZuluOne: oh nice. | |||
ZuluOne: POV-Ray is not exactly open-source from what I understand. | |||
ZuluOne: in ANSI C, right? | |||
ZuluOne | not exactly | ||
rindolf | ZuluOne: I see. | ||
ZuluOne | They have made a vague attempt at converting to C++, but it is still full of Cisms. | ||
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ZuluOne | The source is available, and you can make and distribute patches, but you can't redistribute modified versions. | 19:10 | |
rindolf | ZuluOne: I hate it when projects convert from C to C++. | ||
ZuluOne: unless it's C/C++. | |||
ZuluOne: it happened to BMPx now. | |||
I like ANSI C better than C++. | |||
ZuluOne: like qmail or something? | 19:11 | ||
ZuluOne | I know nothing of qmail's license. | ||
rindolf | ZuluOne: oh, it's horrible. | ||
ZuluOne: I'm stuck with qmail on iglu.org.il. | |||
I already converted all the mailing lists from ezmlm to Sympa. | |||
Sympa now takes 10% of the memory, though, but at least it's portable. | 19:12 | ||
I wrote some Perl scripts to do that. | |||
ZuluOne: see www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/qmail/ | |||
Limbic_Region | rindolf - out of curiosity, why the 20 questions with ZuluOne? | ||
lambdabot | Title: "The Anti-qmail Page" | ||
rindolf | Limbic_Region: I'm bored. | 19:13 | |
Limbic_Region: or at least in a talkative mood. | |||
ZuluOne: I hope I'm not disturbing you. | |||
ZuluOne | not at all | ||
but I have to go out now | |||
rindolf | I also know people dislike when other people tell too much about themselves. | ||
ZuluOne: OK, bye. | 19:14 | ||
ZuluOne | back later | ||
Limbic_Region | I was just wondering if you recognized the handle and were trying to determine if ZuluOne was someone specific | ||
rindolf | ZuluOne: you shouldn't get life get in the way of IRC. | ||
Limbic_Region: no, I didn't. | |||
ZuluOne eq [email@hidden.address] | |||
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svnbot6 | r10972 | fglock++ | v6.pm - emitter - added ternary<?? !!>, prefix:<~> | 20:18 | |
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kolibrie | gaal: what is the name of the file where the memory heap can be set for ghc? | 20:39 | |
svnbot6 | r10973 | fglock++ | v6.pm - emitter - added infix:<~=>, '$*OS', infix:<//> | 20:45 | |
kolibrie | gaal: nevermind, found it: config.yml appears to be generated when you run Makefile.PL | 20:53 | |
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audreyt | unobe++ # .dmg builds at www.unobe.com/packages/ | 21:41 | |
lambdabot | Title: "Index of /packages/" | ||
audreyt | unobe: is this Universal or PPC? | ||
Limbic_Region | www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=558143 # Question about coolness of Moose | 21:42 | |
lambdabot | Title: "Lets talk Moose" | ||
Limbic_Region | seen stvn | ||
jabbot | Limbic_Region: I havn't seen stvn, Limbic_Region | ||
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unobe | audreyt: sorry, just looked on this: it's PPC | 22:01 | |
audreyt | k | ||
which GHC do you use? | |||
(maybe I'll take your script and package up an MacIntel one) | |||
unobe | i finished the make smoke, and there are 114 failing tests | ||
audreyt | (but please check it in and tell me how to do that :)) | ||
unobe: uh-oh. "make upload-smoke"? | 22:02 | ||
I'll take a look | |||
unobe | 6.4.2 | ||
oh no, it was just make smoke. i'll check in the scripts now. | 22:03 | ||
audreyt | k | ||
"make upload-smoke" uplaods your smoke result | |||
so I can look thru the matrix | |||
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svnbot6 | r10976 | unobe++ | Added name to list of authors. | 22:31 | |
r10977 | unobe++ | Added small packager for OS X (PPC). | |||
audreyt | unobe++ | ||
unobe | i also uploaded my smoke tests | ||
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audreyt | danke | 22:33 | |
unobe | bitte | 22:34 | |
(i'm fuzzy on the spelling) | |||
Debolaz2 | audreyt: How was Norway? :) | 22:39 | |
audreyt | Debolaz2: it was wonderful | ||
though 11pm picnic in the sun light | |||
is a bit eerie. | |||
unobe: parrotembed? | 22:41 | ||
(as in, you built with parrot embedded) | 22:42 | ||
? | |||
Debolaz2 | audreyt: I was gonna say hello to you, but completely forgot. :-| | 22:49 | |
ZuluOne | I return. | 22:55 | |
thereby throwing a control exception... | |||
(sorry, am tired) | |||
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cmcavoy | i just got home from yapc...i'm trying to cpan install pugs, and am getting this error: src/syck/syck.o: unknown symbol `_printf$LDBLStub' | 23:29 | |
does that jump out at anyone? | 23:30 | ||
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daxim | hello world | 23:54 | |
after three days, I finally managed to build pugs | 23:55 | ||
currently running smoke, but its really slow | |||
cmcavoy | i'm trying to build it myself | ||
daxim | time ~/pugs/pugs 01-tap.t says real 0m25.240s o_o | ||
and that's just like a dozen say instructions | 23:56 | ||
cmcavoy | it fails with a ghc error: src/syck/syck.o: unknown symbol `_printf$LDBLStub' | ||
did you see that at all when you were building? | |||
daxim | let me check my buffer | ||
cmcavoy | thanks | ||
daxim | no, didn't get that. is that at the make step? | 23:57 | |
cmcavoy | yeah | ||
i've been trying to do it through the cpan shell...i may go by hand | |||
daxim | yes, better use a fresh svn checkout | 23:58 | |
cmcavoy | ok |