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Set by TimToady on 25 January 2008.
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pugs_svnbot r21104 | lwall++ | [STD] 55% 01:36
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rakudo_svn r28804 | petdance++ | fixed some markup 02:23
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Lorn moritz_: ping 03:03
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Auzon elf: 8 + 1 + 12 + 14 + 8 03:43
p6eval elf 21104: RESULT[43␤]
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pugs_svnbot r21105 | Auzon++ | [gsoc_spectest] many relational tests (checking that Bool::True or Bool::False is returned, num/str usage). (added 28 tests) 04:40
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pugs_svnbot r21106 | lwall++ | [STD] 100%!!! 07:05
r21106 | lwall++ | STD5 now parses STD.pm (more or less correctly) in 75 sec using 70 megs
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riffraff hi 08:44
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spinclad STD5++ ! # svn up && play with it ! 08:52
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pugs_svnbot r21107 | clkao++ | set the dump url for svk to bootstrap mirror with. 09:12
rindolf clkao: here? 09:14
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rakudo_svn r28816 | pmichaud++ | [rakudo]: 13:55
r28816 | pmichaud++ | * Update test_summary.pl script to use -G,
r28816 | pmichaud++ | record aborted test runs as failed tests.
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pugs_svnbot r21108 | pmichaud++ | Update skip message for S29-num/abs.t . 13:59
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rakudo_svn r28818 | pmichaud++ | [rakudo]: 14:12
r28818 | pmichaud++ | * In test_summary.pl, counting aborts as failed tests should count
r28818 | pmichaud++ | them as tests, too.
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rakudo_svn r28822 | pmichaud++ | [rakudo]: 14:44
r28822 | pmichaud++ | * spectest-progress update: 75 test files, 1077 passing, 74 failing
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moritz_ Lorn_: pong 16:12
(with only 14Hrs delay)
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moritz_ pixie: say "test" 16:43
p6eval pixie: OUTPUT[fatal error: ############# PARSE FAILED #############␤----> <<<HERE>>>say "test"␤Can't understand next input--giving up at line 1␤]
moritz_ pixie: say 1 16:44
p6eval pixie: OUTPUT[fatal error: ############# PARSE FAILED #############␤----> <<<HERE>>>say 1␤Can't understand next input--giving up at line 1␤]
moritz_ pixie: 1;
p6eval pixie: OUTPUT[fatal error: ############# PARSE FAILED #############␤----> <<<HERE>>>1;␤Can't understand next input--giving up at line 1␤]
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moritz_ is '.=' just a method call, or also a special operator? 16:56
in other words, can I do $obj .= method; ?
pmichaud it's an operator, but yes, $obj .= method works 16:58
it's essentially the same as $obj = $obj.method; (but "in place")
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pmichaud so, $x.abs returns the absolute value of $x, but $x.=abs changes $x to its absolute value 17:00
moritz_ I knew that $x.=abs works, but I didn't know about $x .= abs
pmichaud it's the same parse
moritz_ thanks
pmichaud i.e., it's infix:<.=> in either case 17:01
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b_jonas I wonder if the $foo.$bar indirect method call syntax doesn't clash with some other syntax 17:07
also $foo!$bar
but apparently no
it's funny
rakudo_svn r28826 | moritz++ | [rakudo] removed connect.t from spectest_regression, connect() isn't
r28826 | moritz++ | implemented. This test only succeeded (and skipped everything) so far
r28826 | moritz++ | because nobody had PERL_TESTS_ALLOW_NETWORK env variable set.
moritz_ b_jonas: why should it? . is used only for floating point literals and method calls 17:08
b_jonas no, not only
it's used for dotted infix operators too
isn't it?
moritz_ example?
what is a "dotted infix operator"? 17:09
b_jonas wait, let me look it up
moritz_ there's infix:<..> for creating ranges, but that's an entirely different token
b_jonas hmm no
backspace is used for that now
like
and it's indexing, not infix
like
@foo\ [2]
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pmichaud that's an "unspace" 17:10
moritz_ ah, but indexing *is* is amethod call
b_jonas no wait
it also says something about dots
moritz_ you can say @foo.[2]
which is an alias for @foo[2], which is a method call again
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b_jonas it says $foo.++ is equivalent to $foo++ 17:10
I see 17:11
moritz_ yes, because it calls postfix:<++>
pmichaud postfix operators may be preceded by a dot.
b_jonas and both indexing and ++ is a postfix, which is why they don't normally accept spaces before then?
pmichaud b_jonas: yes.
moritz_ right
besides, it allows us to talk about postcircumfix:<[ ]> as .[] unambigously ;) 17:12
b_jonas so that means it would clash only if there was a postfix:<$> or postcircumfix:<$>
moritz_ aye
b_jonas but a dot is not allowed before infixes, right?
moritz_ (a postcircumfix needs two delimiters, though) 17:13
right
b_jonas so I can say 1 + 2, can say 1.<+>(2), but can't say 1.+ 2
no wait, it's 1.:<+>(2)
according to S12
moritz_ I thought it was infix:<+>(1, 2)
b_jonas I think both 17:14
moritz_ and you can say 1.+2, but that's parsed as (1.) + 2 ;-)
b_jonas or either
ah yeah,
unlike in octave where 1.+2 is parsed as 1 .+ 2
because there's a .+ operator
pmichaud there a .+ operator in Perl 6, also. 17:15
b_jonas but normally 1. is parsed as 1
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pmichaud 1. isn't valid Perl 6 17:15
b_jonas pmichaud: is there? what kind of operator?
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pmichaud it has to be 1.0 17:15
b_jonas pmichaud: it's not?
hmm
pmichaud (i.e., a decimal point has to be followed by a digit)
b_jonas that's good actually
pmichaud .+ is a different operator
SamB yeah, it's silly to parse 1. as floating-point
moritz_ btw the .:<+> would be *very* weird syntax for ops with right associativity 17:16
b_jonas what does .+ do?
ah, I see
method call variant
pmichaud $object.+meth(@args) # calls all methods (1 or more)
(S12)
b_jonas moritz_: S12 specifically says $a.:<+>($b) # equivalent to $a + $b 17:17
you need the paren or a colon I think
pmichaud need the colon.
moritz_ b_jonas: it does, but it *is* weird IMHO
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b_jonas I see 17:18
moritz_ while Perl 6 is very cool and well thought through in most areas, I sometimes find things where I disagree with @Larry 17:20
b_jonas inevitable
moritz_ but I guess that's unavoidable, and even if I designed a language myself, I'd find those corners
(probably much more often, really)
pmichaud I think there are even places where @Larry disagrees with @Larry. :-) I _know_ there are places where I disagree with myself about things I've designed and implemented :-) 17:21
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b_jonas you mean, places where any(@Larry) disagrees with any(@Larry)? 17:23
luckily such a disagreement is usually not a big problem yet while the S can be changed
they did change a few times already 17:24
let's change the string concat operator to | by the way
is there a | infix yet?
oh yeah there is
Auzon yes
moritz_ I'm quite sure there is ;)
Auzon Junctions
b_jonas yep
any
well, I don't like how they have such short names anyway 17:25
is there some simple syntax that's not used up yet by the way? 17:26
moritz_ yes, lots of non-ASCII operators ;)
pmichaud the ` character isn't used
b_jonas I said simple
oh, very good
moritz_ but that's intentional
Auzon pmichaud: ` is semi-reserved for user stuff due to visibility
pmichaud Auzon: right. So it's not "used" by Perl 6 :-)
b_jonas I was thinking of using ` for method calls next time I design an oo language
Auzon @ infix isn't used to my knowledge. 17:27
b_jonas and symbol literals (as a prefix), and structure element access (doubled) and stuff like that
Auzon: hmm
that ` is reserved is also good for meta-perl6 talks
that is, you could eg. surround p6 code with `...` 17:28
or stuff like that
when you talk about perl6 syntax
pmichaud oh, we already have ... for that :-)
b_jonas but ... has a meaning, doesn't it?
it dies
it means unimplemented
pmichaud isn't that what `...` would mean? ;-)
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b_jonas and it's documented as a standard way to declare a sub without defining it 17:29
using ... is annoying for that reason
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b_jonas you can't dotdotdot out code 17:29
pmichaud the synopses are full of examples where "..." is used to mean "other stuff goes here"
b_jonas that you don't show 17:30
exactly
btw, there's a similar problem with J
pmichaud could always use ???, then :-)
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b_jonas meh, ??? is an operator already, isn't it? 17:30
pmichaud right, it calls warn
b_jonas there is no easy syntax reserved for meta-J talk 17:31
I ended up taking the habit of putting J code in round parenthesis
they're used as grouping parenthesis in J but they're at least usually balanced in one-liners
moritz_ <meta_J_talk>...</meta_J_talk> # a bit verbose, though :) 17:32
b_jonas yep
and it's actually <J_code>...</J_code> because you want to surround the J code in meta-J context 17:33
you could use ). if you wanted a two-character delimiter that's absolutely not used anything in J yet 17:34
s/used/used for/
or `.
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rakudo_svn r28829 | pmichaud++ | [rakudo]: 18:35
r28829 | pmichaud++ | * Need to avoid tailcalls in cmp and leg due to RT#56448.
r28830 | pmichaud++ | [rakudo]: 18:36
r28830 | pmichaud++ | * More fixes to list context, move 'join' and 'sort' into Any class.
r28830 | pmichaud++ | * All spectest_regression tests pass again.
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pugs_svnbot r21109 | pmichaud++ | S29-list/join.t: unskip two more tests for rakudo. 18:39
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pmurias pixie: say 4; 19:52
p6eval pixie: OUTPUT[fatal error: ############# PARSE FAILED #############␤----> <<<HERE>>>say 4;␤Can't understand next input--giving up at line 1␤]
pmurias pixie: say 4 19:56
p6eval pixie: OUTPUT[fatal error: ############# PARSE FAILED #############␤----> <<<HERE>>>say 4␤Can't understand next input--giving up at line 1␤]
pmurias moritz_: it's an evalbot problem
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pugs_svnbot r21110 | pmurias++ | [pixie] 20:00
r21110 | pmurias++ | moving towards passing 01-sanity/02-counter.t ;)
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pmurias_ @tell mncharity run-tests hides some failures in sanity at least 01-sanity/02-counter.t 20:40
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pugs_svnbot r21111 | pmichaud++ | S04-statements/no-implict-block.t: Update rakudo skip message. 21:16
r21112 | pmichaud++ | Fix naming of "no-implicit-block.t"
rakudo_svn r28833 | pmichaud++ | [rakudo]:
r28833 | pmichaud++ | * Update name of S04-statements/no-implicit-block.t
moritz_ -- # typos in file names 21:17
nopaste.snit.ch/13424 21:21
@tell pmurias nopaste.snit.ch/13424
ENOLAMBDABOT
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pugs_svnbot r21113 | moritz++ | [spec] S29-list/join.t: backed tests withe quotes from TimToady, since I 21:34
r21113 | moritz++ | haven't got around fixing the specs (and nobody else had in the mean time)
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