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masak what's the best-looking way to emulate for @array.kv -> $ix, $elem { ... } in Perl 5? 00:04
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bacek_ masak: my @array; my $kv = sub { my @s = @array; my $index = 0; my @res; push @res, $index++; push @res, shift @array; @res }; while(my ($k,$v) = $kv->()) { ...} 00:10
masak bacek_: aye. 00:11
that works.
Limbic_Region masak - with or without modules?
masak Limbic_Region: give me all you've got. :)
bacek_ masak: probably. I wrote it without checking :)
Limbic_Region I think mapcar from Algorithm Loops does what you want more naturally 00:12
combine that with n_at_a_time from List::MoreUtils and you are done
oh wait
List::MoreUtils has zip and natatime 00:13
masak Limbic_Region++
I should learn List::MoreUtils better
Limbic_Region my $it = natatime(2, zip @keys, @vals); while (my $k, $val = $it->()) { ... } # something like that 00:16
masak natatime :) I like.
bacek_ natatime(2, zip 0..$#array, @array)
Limbic_Region rolls his own iterators so is not overly familiar with List::MoreUtils other than a good memory for where such functions might be found 00:18
mapcar from Algorithm::Loops is far more powerful btw than List::Util's zip but you just need the simple zip anyway 00:19
masak mm 00:22
IƤll look into Algo::Loops as well.
s/Ƥ/'/ # juggling keyboard layouts
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Limbic_Region that was more FYI than anything else - it is unnecessary for this task 00:25
but if you are interested in arbitrarily nested loops - Algorithm::Loops freaking rawks
and you might be interested in an article I wrote about it - perlmonks.org/?node=arbitrarily+nested+loops 00:26
lambdabot Title: Arbitrarily Nested Loops
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masak I am. thank you. 00:28
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masak I like what Mark J. Reed is saying in the thread 'sign() always returns 1 when $x ~~ Complex'. (he's saying that sqrt(-1) should return i, because that'd be DWIMmiest.) is there a way to make complex functions DWIM and still retain some kind of type system sanity? 00:48
Limbic_Region masak - I am pretty sure there is a complex number module on CPAN for perl 5. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish but I don't think returning a literal 'i' is the right thing 00:50
masak I'm back at talking about the design of Perl 6.
Limbic_Region returning a complex number object that happens to have the value of i is better IMO
ah
masak just thinking about what would be a good combination of user-nice and type-nice 00:51
Limbic_Region well, unless the type system supports complex numbers natively than sqrt(-1) should throw an exception or return undef but not 'i'
masak the type system does support complex numbers natively.
RTFS :) 00:52
Limbic_Region stopped keeping up with the Ss when audreyt had to take her sabattical and pugs when stagnant
I am lucky to follow #perl6 and #parrot more than twice a week
masak Limbic_Region: you're not at all enthused by Rakudo? 00:53
(I am.)
Limbic_Region oh, very much so 00:54
but in the interim, I has a 2nd daughter
and a promotion (more responsibility) 00:55
my wife is learning to drive and applying for her citizenship
etc, etc, etc
masak OIC
Limbic_Region you know the saying - you need to pick your battles
in my case, you need to pick your time syncs 00:56
sinks
masak aye
speaking of time sinks, time to go home and sleep
Limbic_Region I still build parrot and rakudo regularly since there aren't many Win32/MinGW or Win32/Cygwin folks
sleep well
masak thank you
see you around!
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slavik for rakudo, where can I setup the defaul library path? 01:02
Limbic_Region slavik - best to ask on #parrot on irc.perl.org
though a lot of folks hang out in both places 01:03
jnthn slavik: PERL6LIB
(Environment variable)
IIRC
jnthn wonders if slavik is Slavic. :-) 01:04
slavik jnthn: yes and is there a config for it or some such? 01:05
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jnthn slavik: As in, a command line option, or some default config file we load it from? 01:06
slavik the latter
also, where can I read about adding binds to a C module into Perl6?
bindings* 01:07
or does rakudo have to be built with bindings?
jnthn slavik: Looking at the code at the moment, we don't load any default yet. 01:08
Or that's how it looks to me...
slavik so PERL6LIB? 01:09
jnthn Yes, just set that
slavik k
jnthn Separate paths with :
On bindings
slavik same as all other PATH/LIB vars
heh
jnthn We don't have a way to directly do this from Perl 6 yet.
slavik p00p
jnthn However, you don't need to compile them in or write any C either.
slavik err? 01:10
jnthn You can write them in PIR, or at lesat some thin layer.
slavik where can I read about that?
jnthn And then call those from Perl 6 code.
Limbic_Region PIR = parrot intermediate representation
slavik I should prolly look at the OpenGL pir code, right?
Limbic_Region it is one step above PASM = Parrot assembly language
jnthn slavik: Yes, that is exactly what I was going to point you to. :-)
Limbic_Region but don't let that scare you - it is pretty easy to read 01:11
jnthn That is known to be usable from Perl 6 too.
slavik hmm
is PIR to PASM like C is to ASM?
jnthn See for more on NCI examples/nci in Parrot
slavik or am I off?
jnthn PIR is an intermediate language, a bit like the .Net CLR's IL 01:12
slavik haven't seen that either
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jnthn It is a bit higher level than the assembly. You don't have to worry about register allocation. You can write function calls quite easily, and it generates the several instructions that are actually needed to make the call. 01:13
So it's a tad more pleasant than assembly.
I hope that we'll find a way soonish to be able to do NCI directly from Perl 6.
slavik hmm 01:16
pir doesn't look all that pleasent ... looks like it is stack based or something
set arguments, then call function
jnthn slavik: No, it's register based.
slavik: You don't need to write a lot of it to make a basic interface around a C library that you can then call from Perl 6. 01:17
slavik .begin_call .set_arg 1 ,set_arg 2 .nci_call funcname .end_call
jnthn eww
Yes, OK, there is *that* syntax. :-)
slavik jnthn: that's what I see in an sdl pir example
jnthn: is there a write up?
like a how to or something? 01:18
jnthn Yeah, see e.g. win32api.pir for something nicer
slavik loadlib does the dynamic loading?
jnthn Yes
slavik hmm, I think pir so far looks way better than XS ;)
jnthn dlfunc looks up a symbol
there is www.parrotcode.org/docs/pdd/pdd16_n..._call.html
lambdabot Title: NCI conventions and definitions - parrotcode
jnthn Yes, you don't have to write any C. ;-) 01:19
slavik I don't mind C ...
I like C, but not for text processing ;)
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jnthn Oh, I don't mind writing C. But when it comes to wanting to ship bindings, not requiring the end user to have a C compiler to install it is nice. 01:19
slavik hmm, would it be possible to generate a pir given a .so file 01:20
jnthn Not from that, but I think from a .h file there is a tool
slavik jnthn: I am of the opinion that linux without a C compiler is like a car on 3 wheels ... doable, but why?
jnthn: by tool, you mean Perl6? :P
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jnthn I think it actually parses the headers using a Perl 6 grammar... ;-) 01:21
slavik figures
jnthn I honestly don't know much about it, I'm afraid - ask in #parrot, especially tewk...
slavik Perl6 building Perl6 bindings ... kind of scary
jnthn It's fairly new, and I didn't play with it just yet.
slavik what if it becomes self-sentient or something
jnthn We sit and pray for a segfault. 01:22
:-)
slavik jnthn: I had an idea to have a header which included all other headers in the library and then pipe it through the CPP to get a nice flat file and process that
jnthn: ^^
jnthn Cunning trick! 01:23
:-)
slavik jnthn: so, pir can be thought of as describing to parrot what the functions are?
jnthn Yes, pretty much.
slavik because by that extent, you could have parrot load ANY library without any bindings
it could then process the .h if available and bam, done 01:24
jnthn That's the dream. :-)
slavik also, what about types and such? they are converted automatically?
because Perl5 bindings have glVertex() no glVertex2f() and the others
jnthn I believe that the type conversions are handled, yes. 01:25
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slavik what if I want to combine multiple versions of the same basic function that have different number of arguments? 01:31
do I have to rely on some default/generic value?
jnthn Where do you mean? When writing PIR? 01:32
You can use :optional
To mark a parameter as optional
And you can also declare multi subs
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slavik ty, night 01:39
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pugs_svn r23069 | lwall++ | [gimme5] make sure STD.pmc ends with 1; 02:04
r23069 | lwall++ | [STD] add substr to list of recognized methods following .=
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TimToady though arguably, substr produces strings, which might be indicative of an attempt to do concatenation, but the test suite uses $x .= substr($pos) 02:13
slavik TimToady: has anyone measured the overhead of calling C libraries from rakudo? 02:15
wayland76 slavik: The script for generating C bindings is called nci_gen.pl 02:16
slavik wayland76: ty
wayland76: it's not a fool proof method, though, is it?
wayland76 At the moment, it may not be, but I believe they're intending it to be 02:17
slavik k
wayland76 I looked at it once, but it was broken when I tried it and, though it's fixed now, I never got back to it :)
parrot/compilers/ncigen/nci_gen.pl 02:18
slavik will take a look
HA! fuck that, there's already SDL there ^^ 02:20
err, there's an SDL pir :) 02:21
ha, there IS data dumper :) 02:28
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pugs_svn r23070 | hinrik++ | First stab at Pod highlighting 10:21
literal test, please :) 10:22
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moritz_ writes tests nearly every day 10:57
but that's not what you meant, no? :-) 10:59
tested on STD.pm, it doesn't seem to do very much, but doesn't cause troubles either 11:00
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masak std: my $a = *-4; say $a 14:33
p6eval std 23070: OUTPUT[STD.pm did not return a true value at tryfile line 3.ā¤BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at tryfile line 3.ā¤]
moritz_ installing YAML::Syck on timtowtdi.org... 14:36
std: my $a = *-4; 14:37
p6eval std 23070: OUTPUT[can't create lex/STD/nofun_01.store: Permission denied at Cursor.pm line 521ā¤00:05 77mā¤]
moritz_ oh my, why can't it just work? 14:38
moritz_ thinks about giving up the distinction between users 'evalenv' and 'evalbot'
masak why is the distinction there in the first place? 14:40
moritz_ for security reasons 14:43
PerlJam I feel more secure. :) 14:44
masak 'you are not authorized to receive this answer' 14:45
moritz_ std: my $a = *-4;
p6eval std 23070: OUTPUT[00:05 82mā¤]
moritz_ IMHO it's quite a good idea that a process doesn't have write permissions to its executable :) 14:46
uhm, not quite the answer you're interested in, I guess
it just calls tryfile
masak I don't really understand the answer
moritz_ it needed 5 seconds and 83 MB RAM :) 14:47
masak that's a lot of RAM
moritz_ std: 3 * ( 14:48
p6eval std 23070: OUTPUT[############# PARSE FAILED #############ā¤(Possible runaway string from line 1 to line 1)ā¤Can't understand next input--giving up at /tmp/UE4PtSghjf line 0:ā¤------> ā¤ expecting semicolon listā¤00:05 80mā¤]
moritz_ masak: so if you see just the run time + mem usage it means "parsed OK" 14:49
masak moritz_: I'd prefer a simple 'yes' or 'no' from IRC STD
is that too much to ask? :P 14:50
moritz_ masak: feel free to hack evalbot.pl :)
masak urgh
anyone else have a tuit to spare?
moritz_ masak: I made the mistake earlier of using a modified version of tryfile, which then caused a conflict in svn, so I decided it wasn't a good idea, but didn't implement a better idea either 14:51
masak oic
back instead to the topic at hand: I'm thinking *-4 is evaluated inside the brackets of an array index, and that the result will be a Whatever object with some offset attribute set to -4 14:57
does that sound sane?
jnthn Ouch...maybe... 14:58
jnthn hadn't thought about this one so much
moritz_ masak: I think that's the case, yes
masak if it doesn't throw off any other plans, I could have a go at implementing it today. 14:59
moritz_ wonders if the Whatever star is actually a backdoor to get symbolic calculations done in Perl 6 :-)
rakudo_svn r33191 | jonathan++ | [rakudo] Eliminate a now-unrequired global. 15:00
masak moritz_: all is fair if you predeclare. :)
moritz_ or maybe * ist just a hidden closure, so that if you say 'my $x = *-4; $x(0)' you get -4 15:01
masak interesting idead 15:03
*idea
and array indices would then be called with $ix(@a.elems) 15:04
moritz_ however there needs to be some kind of introspection still for infinite ranges 15:07
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masak moritz_: I'd say my idea wins over yours in terms of simplicity :) 15:16
moritz_ masak: right :) 15:17
masak: but mine wins in terms of creativity :)
masak definitely.
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mncharity thanks TimToady :) (re nesting) 16:02
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rakudo_svn r33192 | jonathan++ | [rakudo] Recognize ;; parameter separator; set invocant and multi_invocant fields in the signature. 17:00
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rakudo_svn r33193 | pmichaud++ | Merge lexicals branch into trunk. "make realclean" required (new opcodes). 17:20
ruoso Hello! 17:21
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ruoso rakudo: class Foo { }; say &Foo() 17:32
p6eval rakudo 33193: OUTPUT[invoke() not implemented in class 'Foo'ā¤current instr.: '_block11' pc 25 (EVAL_12:17)ā¤]
ruoso rakudo: class Foo { }; say &Foo;
p6eval rakudo 33193: OUTPUT[Fooā¤]
ruoso that's strange...
&Foo was supposed to be a sub that returns the class Foo, wasn't it?
jnthn Oh? 17:33
moritz_ that seems NYI
jnthn I hadn't seen that spec'd.
I'd have expected an error.
OTOH, type name handling is kinda funky in Rakudo at the moment...
ruoso jnthn, at least that's how STD parses it 17:34
std parses Foo.bar as &Foo().bar()
moritz_ not sure that's intended that way
ruoso moritz_, it is, already confirmed by TimToady 17:35
jnthn Me either.
OK, I can believe it parses that way.
ruoso it kinda makes sense, since there are no bare words
jnthn I'm not so sure on the whole "class definition introduces a sub of the same name" thing.
I guess you can just implement invoke on a proto to return itself though. So it's no hassle if that's what's supposed to happen. 17:36
But I'd like to see it in a spec before I make it work.
ruoso wonders if that's related to something I saw a long time ago... 17:37
rakudo: class foo { }; say foo;
p6eval rakudo 33193: OUTPUT[invoke() not implemented in class 'foo'ā¤current instr.: '_block11' pc 19 (EVAL_11:13)ā¤]
ruoso ok... that was a long time ago
jnthn Yes, now you've found the "can't have a class with a lowercase name" thingy in Rakudo. :-)_
masak is there a ticket for that? 17:38
jnthn (We aren't registering stuff in the namespace as we go yet, so we use "does it start with an uppercase letter" as a heuristic)
masak: I dunno, but there's a grant proposal for it. ;-)
masak makes a ticket, Justin Case
moritz_ I think we already have one, but I'm not sure 17:39
jnthn hopes to get that issue resolved in December 17:40
masak what's December, another wiki project?
:P
jnthn Yeah! It's my secret one, implemented in Perl 7! 17:42
ruoso ah... ok... so it's related to that bug...
well... I think that's why Foo.bar is parsed as &Foo().bar()
to solve that problem
jnthn Huh? But at parse name we'd know Foo is a type name... 17:43
masak jnthn: dang! I shouldn't have let you take that vacation.
[particle] thinks December is a good codename for a perl 6 DBI project
masak would like a Perl 6 DBI project 17:44
jnthn *at parse time
PerlJam What ever happened to Tim Bunce's DBI 2 or whatever project? 17:45
pugs_svn r23071 | moritz++ | [t/spec] unfudge passing rakudo test after lex branch merge (in for.t)
[particle] pj: it's in the Design Before Implementing state
ruoso jnthn, knowing that Foo is a type name is an optimization
PerlJam hasn't it been that way for like 3 or 4 years now? (yes, I know, I know ... don't say it) 17:46
jnthn ruoso: I think otherwise - token typename does an assertion in there to see if we have a valid type name. 17:47
Thus affecting the match.
If I understand the grammar correctly, anyways. 17:48
ruoso checking STD
moritz_ nopaste.snit.ch/14722 # is that my error, or the next rakudo fuckup?
jnthn moritz_: I think there's a ticket about calling lexical subs not being quite right already 17:49
ruoso jnthn, the token typename is used on places that only typenames are allowed
jnthn, but Foo.bar is not one of those places
jnthn Ah.
ruoso it's a regular statement
jnthn ruoso: Doesn't it parse as term:name? 17:50
In this case? 17:51
ruoso hmmm... I think it parses as an EXPR
ruoso checking
jnthn It'd seem strange to always interpreter it as a sub call when we can know at compile time what it is. 17:52
*iterpret
ruoso jnthn, that's why I said it's an optimization 17:54
to know it is a type name, I mean
jnthn I prefer the view that we know what it is at parse time. 17:55
TimToady they're combined in STD to simplify the lexer, but it certainly knows the difference even then, or it wouldn't be calling is_type
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jnthn TimToady: So should &Foo() actually work? 17:55
If you've declared, say, class Foo { }
TimToady well, we certainly know that Foo($bar) is a function 17:56
jnthn Yes, that's clear
What about Foo.bar?
TimToady Foo() is just the coercion that happens to return the protoobject
jnthn OK, so if you invoke a proto-object, it returns itself?
TimToady yes, which can be optimizized away 17:57
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jnthn OK. 17:57
TimToady as long as there are no args
jnthn Sure
ruoso hmm...
so Foo should point to the package
and Foo() coerces to the protoobject 17:58
is it?
jnthn Foo is the proto-object.
pugs_svn r23072 | moritz++ | [t/spec] add integration test by Donald Knuth, "Man or Boy"
r23072 | moritz++ | (for stress-testing lexical variables and subs). pugs++ passes them.
TimToady we use package and proto-object more or less interchangably except in contexts that care
jnthn It refers to the package in, say, Foo::bar style things though.
TimToady which is mostly just hash subscripting
ruoso is that defined by syntax?
TimToady Foo{} is reserved, while Foo::{} subscripts the package 17:59
jnthn *nod*
TimToady it's all valid syntax, so it has to be distinguished in semantic analysis 18:00
ruoso and if I want the package object?
Foo.WHO
jnthn, anyway... in Foo.bar, Foo is a term, you were right
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TimToady $x = Foo:: should return that 18:00
jnthn $x = Foo::; # valid? :-) 18:01
TimToady yes, valid
jnthn OK
ruoso although ugl
ugly
jnthn Yes.
TimToady indeed
jnthn But I don't think you'd want to do it much.
Foo.WHO is much clearer. 18:02
TimToady ugliness is a form of dehuffmanization
not really
jnthn Or allowance of obsfucation.
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TimToady it's only clearer because you already know what WHO does. :) 18:02
pugs_svn r23073 | moritz++ | [t/spec] set svn props for man-or-boy.t 18:03
ruoso nah... WHO is intuitive
TimToady sez WHO!?!
[particle] WHO is just sugar for Foo:: :)
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jnthn It's probably a tad easier to go look up. 18:03
'cus it looks like a method call...which it isn't. :-)
TimToady WHO'd a thunk it?
ruoso [particle], considering you don't support changing the class package in runtime ;)
PerlJam Woo.WHO 18:04
TimToady we need a Foo.HUH? 18:05
moritz_ rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=60404 should the number of iterations be 4, 1 and 3? 18:07
lambdabot Title: #60404: Array becomes string in subroutine or method calls
[particle] Foo.SAYWHA calls MetaData::Dumper 18:08
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masak TimToady: yes, please add a .HUH metamethod! :P 18:13
Uh.HUH
(maybe we should rename Nil to Uh)
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[particle] Uh is a Failure that gets confused about what context it should return in 18:18
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PerlJam Then Nil is really more like an Idunno 18:20
masak or BuggerAll 18:22
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pugs_svn r23074 | moritz++ | [t/spec] add tests for RT #60404 18:29
r23075 | moritz++ | [t/spec] svn props for passing-arrays.t
r23076 | moritz++ | [t/spec] various unfudges for rakudo 18:32
rakudo_svn r33194 | moritz++ | [rakudo] add tests for [perl #60404] to t/spectest.data 18:50
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mncharity TimToady: fyi, the Match tree for $.m(3) has an empty postcircumfix array in the variable. The postcircumfix:( ) instead shows up as a surrounding postop. Intended? I should be able to work with it, though I'm still exploring. 18:55
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vixey oo do you have STD.pm running now? 18:56
masak vixey: oh yes.
vixey great!
masak it is.
feels like living in the future.
vixey I missed when this happened :(
masak I think it was running already in August 18:57
pugs_svn r23077 | hinrik++ | Commented some of the Pod stuff in perl6.vim
literal @tell azawawi perl6.vim can do Pod now, you might want to try it 19:03
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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mncharity vixey: elf has been self-compiling on a hand-implemented STD.pm derivative since end of March. :) misc/elfish/STD_blue is the/my current effort to improve elf, STD.pm, and gimme5 to the point elf can self-compile on gimme5 running the current STD.pm. 19:04
exercise after that will be teaching elf to itself run STD.pm directly.
vixey yeah I was hacking elf a little bit when it was using the ruby STD 19:05
so is there a post about when STD started to run? :)
literal @tell TimToady STD.pm has stuff like "=begin comment overview" which doesn't make sense according to S26 (shouldn't it rather be "=begin Overview"?)
lambdabot Consider it noted.
mncharity "STD started to run"? depends what you mean. 19:07
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mncharity elf is still using the ruby STD_red. though a couple of the elf source files can now be compiled with STD_blue. 19:08
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masak rakudo: my $a = 5; $a = [ $a, 6 ]; say $a 19:15
p6eval rakudo 33193: OUTPUT[maximum recursion depth exceededā¤current instr.: 'parrot;List;get_string' pc 2808 (src/gen_builtins.pir:1885)ā¤] 19:16
masak jnthn: I think you should see this.
pugs_svn r23078 | putter++ | [elf_h] Fixed incorrectly escaped string literals. Tolerate undefs in statementlist arrays, for STD_blue development. 19:18
r23079 | putter++ | [STD_blue] Improved AST gen for temp() and strings. Working on $.e(3) variable method calls. 19:27
r23079 | putter++ | Compiler.pm and CommandLine.pm now emit identically. Pursuing EmitSimpleP5.pm.
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mncharity arg. will a "channel operator" please /topic The topic for #perl6 is: pugscode.org/ planetsix.perl.org/ | nopaste: sial.org/pbot/perl6 | pugs: [~] <m oo se> (or rakudo:, kp6:, elf: etc.) (or perl6: for all) | irclog: irc.pugscode.org/ 19:38
thus adding planet.
since when does #perl6 have a locked topic???
vixey: re post, I think it went by on the design meeting summaries at some point. planetsix is now unbroken, and accepting feed additions, so there's an opportunity to blog... 19:39
TimToady The topic for #perl6 is: pugscode.org/ planetsix.perl.org/ | nopaste: sial.org/pbot/perl6 | pugs: [~] <m oo se> (or rakudo:, kp6:, elf: etc.) (or perl6: for all) | irclog: irc.pugscode.org/ 19:41
mncharity danke 19:42
happy turkeying all. &
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jnthn masak: File rakudobug... 20:32
masak jnthn: aye aye!
jnthn is having Rakudo day tomorrow - will spend some time on the RT queue.
Continue the ticket filing/resolving tug of war with masak, which he is epicly winning...
masak muhahaha 20:33
the dark side always wins.
jnthn It's only so dark because you're so far north up there. :-P 20:34
masak jnthn: I woke late today. almost missed sunset. it's true! 20:36
but it does perhaps tell more about my sleeping habits...
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jnthn Oh, since I came back from Parrot Summit, my sleep has been *way* messed up. 20:41
I work from home though, so nobody much cares. 20:42
Well, I cared when I realized I had to get up at 8:30am on Sunday, but...
masak heh 20:50
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rakudo_svn r33203 | pmichaud++ | [rakudo]: Remove gather workaround introduced in r31116 (RT #58854, Tene++) 21:00
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literal I'm using Pugs, how do I install the modules in ext/ ? 21:08
a "perl Makefile.PL && make install" doesn't seem to do the trick 21:09
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pugs_svn r23080 | hinrik++ | Some cleanup in perl6.vim 21:30
r23081 | moritz++ | [t/spec] move subtypes.t to S12 section, don't know what it did in S02
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moritz_ literal: dunno, your best bet is to copy them somewhere and set the PERL6LIB accordingly 21:34
literal ok 21:35
pugs_svn r23082 | moritz++ | [t/spec] more subtype tests 21:39
rakudo_svn r33206 | moritz++ | [rakudo] follow a moved test in spectest.data 21:40
literal is this [] thing just a convention or is there some tool that inserts it for you? 21:41
pugs_svn r23083 | moritz++ | [t/spec] merge subset-code.t and subset-range.t into a single subset.t 21:42
literal in the svn commit messages
moritz_ literal: it's a convention to track which part of the repo changed, and it also makes it easier to filter commit message mails by automated rules
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literal ok, so you type it manually. Just the path name? 21:43
moritz_ depends. I use [t] or [t/spec] for all test commits, but others use the project name of their sub project 21:44
literal ok
moritz_ for example smop commits have [smop] instead of [v6/smop], TimToady uses [STD.pm] for must stuff under src/perl6/...
jnthn moritz_: Ah. I should probably use that instead of [spectest]. :-) 21:46
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moritz_ jnthn: yes, but I know what's meant with [spectest] as well ;-) 21:47
(but [t/spec] is shorter to type ;-)
rakudo: my $x; subset MyInt of Int where { $^num % x == 0}; say 'alive'; 21:50
p6eval rakudo 33206: OUTPUT[aliveā¤]
rakudo_svn r33207 | moritz++ | [rakudo] track merge test files in spectest.data
moritz_ rakudo: my $x; subset MyInt of Int where { $^num % x == 0}; $x = 5; my MyInt $a = 10; say $a;
p6eval rakudo 33206: OUTPUT[get_iter() not implemented in class 'Integer'ā¤current instr.: 'prefix:=' pc 14946 (src/gen_builtins.pir:9263)ā¤]
moritz_ rakudo: my $x; subset MyInt of Int where { $^num % $x == 0}; $x = 5; my MyInt $a = 10; say $a; 21:51
p6eval rakudo 33206: OUTPUT[Type mismatch in assignment.ā¤current instr.: 'die' pc 12219 (src/gen_builtins.pir:7463)ā¤]
moritz_ rakudo: my $x = 5; subset MyInt of Int where { $^num % $x == 0}; $x = 5; my MyInt $a = 10; say $a;
p6eval rakudo 33206: OUTPUT[Type mismatch in assignment.ā¤current instr.: 'die' pc 12219 (src/gen_builtins.pir:7463)ā¤]
moritz_ rakudo: my $x = 5; subset MyInt of Int where { $^num % $x == 0}; my MyInt $a = 10; say $a;
p6eval rakudo 33206: OUTPUT[Type mismatch in assignment.ā¤current instr.: 'die' pc 12219 (src/gen_builtins.pir:7463)ā¤]
moritz_ smells another rakudo bug
rakudo: my $x = 5; subset MyInt of Int where { $^num % $x == 0}; my $a = 10; say $a; 21:52
p6eval rakudo 33206: OUTPUT[10ā¤]
moritz_ rakudo: my $x = 5; subset MyInt of Int where { $^num % $x == 0}; my $a = 10; say $a ~~ MyInt;
p6eval rakudo 33206: OUTPUT[0ā¤]
jnthn moritz_: Yes, I'm aware of the subsets and lexicals issue. 21:54
There's a spectest currently fudged because of that.
moritz_ jnthn: I'm writing a ticket right now, and reviewing the test as well (which is a bit confusing right now= 21:55
jnthn Sure.
I may not fix that until the :subid changes are in place properly.
moritz_ no hurry from my side 21:56
pugs_svn r23084 | moritz++ | [t/spec] make subtypes.t a bit more intuitive 21:58
r23085 | hinrik++ | [util/perl6.vim] remove some old Pod stuff, fix issue with abbreviated blocks 22:03
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pugs_svn r23086 | hinrik++ | [examples/euler] Correct Pod and add vim modeline to all files 22:08
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wayland76 Saw lexicals. pmichaud++ :) 22:16
rakudo_svn r33209 | pmichaud++ | [rakudo]: Add quote with multiple bracket characters, and texas quotes. 22:20
r33209 | pmichaud++ | * Partially fixes RT #60670.
pugs_svn r23087 | moritz++ | [t/spec] unfudge quoting.t, pmichaud++ 22:21
pmichaud rakudo: say << foo >>.perl; 22:26
p6eval rakudo 33208: OUTPUT[1ā¤]
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pmichaud (still not updated yet -- can't show off.) 22:26
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moritz_ rakudo: say << foo bar >>.perl; 22:27
p6eval rakudo 33208: OUTPUT[["foo", "bar"]ā¤]
moritz_ (the revision number isn't updated, but the binary is)
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TimToady rakudo: say join ':', << foo bar >>; 22:28
lambdabot TimToady: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
p6eval rakudo 33208: OUTPUT[foo:barā¤]
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pmichaud I haven't quite figured out what to do with something like: 22:31
my $a = 'foo bar'; my $b = 'baz'; say << $a$b >>.perl;
or 22:32
my $a = 'foo bar'; my $b = 'baz'; say << xyz$a$b/2 >>.perl;
moritz_ I'd say first interpolate, then .comb(/\S+/)
TimToady I think the close to what a shell would do, the happier people will be
*closer 22:33
moritz_ so the first would give ('foo', 'barbaz')
and the second ('xzyfoo', 'bar/2')
right?
pmichaud my $a = 'foo bar'; say << $a"baz" >>; # also ('foo', 'barbaz') ? 22:34
TimToady but << "$a$b" >> would give one string
pmichaud right.
that's what makes it a little tricky
moritz_ why have double quotes a special meaning <<...>?
pmichaud we have to know what to concatenate and what to split.
rakudo: my $a = 'foo bar'; say << xyz "$a" abc >>.perl; 22:35
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[["xyz", "foo bar", "abc"]ā¤]
literal TimToady: I have a question (see lambdabot)
pmichaud rakudo: my $a = 'foo bar'; say << xyz '$a' abc >>.perl;
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[["xyz", "\$a", "abc"]ā¤]
pmichaud rakudo knows those already.
it's just the concatention+split that gets a bit tricky. :-) 22:36
TimToady literal: the pod syntax is still being revised, so who knows what TheDamian will end up with
moritz_ wouldn't expect so much magic in texas quotes
pmichaud *concatenation
moritz_: they're essentially "shell quoting"
literal I see
moritz_ pmichaud: I see, that's new to me :)
literal for ^($n -1) { ... } <-- what does the ^ there mean? 22:37
moritz_ literal: ^$x is 0..($x-1)
jnthn literal: 1..$n-1
TimToady short for 0..^($n-1)
jnthn erm, 0.. :-)
literal ok
TimToady in other words, 0..($n-2) 22:38
moritz_ rakudo: say ^4
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[0123ā¤]
pmichaud rakudo: say ^4.perl;
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[0123ā¤]
moritz_ TimToady: I always thought it went to $n-1, inclusive... is that new?
pmichaud rakudo: say (^4).perl;
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[0..^4ā¤]
TimToady which is wrong
pmichaud ...which one is wrong? 22:39
moritz_ wasn't ^@array intended to be the range of indices?
TimToady well, ^4.perl isn't doing what you think
pmichaud 4.perl returns "4", and then ^"4" is ... ?
TimToady presumably
rakudo: ^4.say 22:40
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[4ā¤]
TimToady rakudo: (^4).say
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[0123ā¤]
pmichaud rakudo is fun sometimes. :-) 22:41
TimToady moritz_: +@array is off the end
so ^@array goes to @array-1 22:42
same as 0 ..^ @array
jnthn wonders if Rakudo got the order of precedence right in ^4.say
moritz_ TimToady: ah, I missed the ($n-1) in the original question
pmichaud jnthn: method calls are tighter than prefix, I think.
TimToady yes, it's behaving as specced
jnthn I thought so too
pmichaud (whew!) 22:43
TimToady it just doesn't DWIM :/
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moritz_ I think it's good enough ;-) 22:44
pmichaud rakudo: my @a = <jan feb mar apr may jun jul aug sep oct nov dec>; say ^@a; # this one goes to 11.
p6eval rakudo 33209:
..OUTPUT[0123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627282930313233343536373839404142434445464748495051525354555657585960616263646566676869707172737475767778798081828384858687888990919293949596979899012345678910111213141516171819202122232425262728293031323334353637383940414243444546474849...
pmichaud ...or maybe not.
I'll figure that one out later, or wait for masak++ to file it as a bug. :-) 22:45
moritz_ well, I can do that too
pmichaud that works also. right now I'm only solving easy bugs.
TimToady rakudo: my @a = <jan feb mar apr may jun jul aug sep oct nov dec>; say +@a; 22:46
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[12ā¤]
TimToady rakudo: my @a = <jan feb mar apr may jun jul aug sep oct nov dec>; say ^+@a;
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[01234567891011ā¤]
pmichaud I think prefix:^ isn't properly contexting its argument.
sorry, wrong channel. prefix:<^>
TimToady :) 22:47
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moritz_ rakudo: my @a = 'janu'; say (^@a).elems 22:48
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[1000ā¤]
moritz_ rakudo: my @a = 'janua'; say (^@a).elems
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[10000ā¤]
moritz_ rakudo: my @a = 'januar'; say (^@a).elems
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[100000ā¤]
TimToady rakudo: it's doing string incr
pmichaud in that case I *know* it's not properly assigning @a
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[Could not find non-existent sub incrā¤current instr.: '_block11' pc 13 (EVAL_13:13)ā¤]
pmichaud my @a = 'janu'; say @a.elems;
rakudo: my @a = 'janu'; say @a.elems; 22:49
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[1ā¤]
pmichaud oh, maybe it is.
hrm.
TimToady rakudo: say ^'a'
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[ā¤]
moritz_ rakduo: say ^'ab'
pmichaud anyway, should be easy to fix.... but later.
TimToady commuting &
pugs_svn r23088 | hinrik++ | [util/perl6.vim] adjust indenting options slightly 22:50
moritz_ can find only one test with ^@something in t/spec/ 22:51
rakudo: say 3 ~~ ^10 22:57
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[1ā¤]
moritz_ rakudo: say 3.5 ~~ ^10
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[1ā¤]
moritz_ rakudo: say 9.9 ~~ ^10
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[1ā¤]
moritz_ that's correct, I hope? 22:58
jnthn Believe so.
pmichaud rakudo: say 10 ~~ ^10; 22:59
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[0ā¤]
jnthn moritz_: It seems we don't have much in the way of tests for multimehtods, or am I missing them?
I know there's the is default one, but I don't see much beyond that.
moritz_ jnthn: maybe also look in t/ (not t/spec), there many not-yet-moved OO tests there
jnthn moritz_: Ah, OK 23:00
svn.pugscode.org/pugs/t/ # failed to connect?
lambdabot Title: pugs - Revision 23088: /t
jnthn heh
So why's it not work for me... 23:01
moritz_ perhaps the hourly apache restart?
works here, try again please
jnthn Still not. :-( 23:02
The connection was refused when attempting to contact svn.pugscode.org.
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pugs_svn r23089 | moritz++ | [t/spec] tests for prefix:<^> 23:04
jnthn moritz_: But strangely svn works... :-|
so odd
ah, owrks now 23:05
:-S
pugs_svn r23090 | moritz++ | [t/spec] test that ^(something) actually returns a Range
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moritz_ rakudo: my @a = <foo bar>; say (^@a).WHAT 23:07
p6eval rakudo 33209: OUTPUT[Listā¤]
TimToady moritz_: 3 .. ^10 is incorrect 23:08
the operator is ..^
3 .. ^10 means 3 .. (0..9) 23:09
moritz_ TimToady: where did you see 3 .. ^10?
TimToady sorry, misread
3 ~~ ^10 is fine
what I get for bling t ofast
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TimToady typing to ofast t oo 23:10
moritz_ ;)
TimToady and yes 9.9 ~~ ^10 is True 23:11
jnthn TimToady: multi method bar(Array @array) { actually would test that that we got passed an @array where every element was an Array, right?
TimToady which rakudo confuses with 1 :)
moritz_ good, then the tests are right (and so is rakudo)
TimToady jnthn: correct 23:12
pmichaud True stringifies to...?
jnthn TimToady: And similarly, multi method bar(Hash %hash) { makes sure that the values are all hashes...
OK, good.
moritz_ so if you want to say that in 'my @Array' @Array should be an Array, not just a Positional, one would say that as 'my @Arrray of Array', or how? 23:13
pmichaud my @array is Array, I think.
TimToady pmichaud: certainly it should numify to 1, and .perlify to True, but stringify on enums is debatable
jnthn Probably not of.
pmichaud TimToady: yes, I'm wondering/waiting for a decision on stringified enums. :-) 23:14
and it .perlifies to "True" and not "Bool::True"?
jnthn pmichaud: is works on declarations like that, I'm not sure that will fly for type checks on parameters.
TimToady depends on use cases, which never occur to me offhand :)
jnthn pmichaud: Since is applies a trait...
TimToady: Any answers? :-)
pmichaud ( @array where { @array ~~ Array ) ) ? 23:15
jnthn That'd *work* I'm sure. :-)
It's not so pretty though I guess.
pmichaud s/')'/}/
TimToady my @array is Array requires @array to be an Array 23:16
pmichaud not everything is pretty. :-P
TimToady my @array does Array requires @array to do Array
moritz_ ok 'is', not 'of'.
TimToady as does @array ~~ Array
which is defined as does, not is
jnthn TimToady: Array is a role?
pmichaud afk, dinner. 23:17
jnthn role Array[::of] { ... } ?
TimToady maybe, doesn't matter, since ~~ degrades to is if there isn't a role
but most of the built-in types are probably punned role/classes
jnthn TimToady: I'm trying to get the relationship between writing "of" and parametric roles straight in my head.
my @array of Int; 23:18
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moritz_ seems pretty useless ;) 23:18
TimToady yes that's Array[:of(Int)] or some such
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jnthn OK, and we can instantiate it because the role implies the existence of a class Array too? 23:19
TimToady yes, Array of Bool is much more useful
jnthn Or put another way, if I wanted to instantiate a typed array, just as you can create a new anything by doing Thingy.new, how does this look?
Array[:of(Int)].new 23:20
?
TimToady if role Array can be punned into class Array it probably means that the of parameter has a default of Object or some such
jnthn OK, so declare role Array[::of = Object] { ... } 23:21
*declared
TimToady the .new looks okay to me
jnthn Will that parse OK?
TimToady but S09 has more opinions about arrays. :)
jnthn I'm not so much expecting you'd write it like that, so much as working out what it boils down to under the hood. :-) 23:22
TimToady STD likes it
jnthn OK, great.
TimToady desugaring, we usually say here
jnthn my Int @array; # it's SO sweet! 23:23
OK, so for hashes
my Int %hash; # hash has values of type Int
Presumably this looks a bit like
TimToady correct
jnthn role Hash[::of = Object, ::key = Object] { ... } 23:24
TimToady my Int %hash{Str} is default
object keys must be explicitly declared
jnthn Ah, OK 23:25
TimToady so probably role Hash[::of = Object, ::key = Str] { ... }
jnthn OK, and we coerce to string on storage?
pugs_svn r23091 | moritz++ | [t/TASKS] jnthn++ needs multi method tests
TimToady assuming string is immutable, yes
jnthn How does that look? 23:26
TimToady Str is immutable, in theory
a Str variable tries to be smart about it though
jnthn method postcircumfix:<{}>(key $k, of $value) { ... } 23:27
TimToady not sure our story is entirely straight there...
jnthn erm, multi method...
Right, because this would imply in the signature "we require a key that's already a string"
TimToady need a space between {} too
jnthn Ah, yes.
TimToady and your named parameter syntax leaves something to be desired. 23:28
moritz_ perhaps more like multi method postcircumfix:<{ }>($key as key, of $value) ?
(assuming that 'key' and 'of' are types=
jnthn So would it be more like multi method postcircumfix:<{ }>($k, of $value) { $k .= Str }
TimToady ah
jnthn What named parameter syntax?
Yes, key and of are the types we bound in the role.
TimToady not sure why you're feed values to a postcircumfix... 23:30
rakudo_svn r33211 | jonathan++ | [rakudo] Some final bits to get multi methods working.
moritz_ goes to bed and whishes the busy hackers and speccors the appropriate amount of fun 23:31
TimToady more like: multi method postcircumfix:<{ }> (*@@key as key --> of)
jnthn TimToady: Ah, duh. :-)
OK, so "as" does the coercion.
I'd forgot that was allowed on a parameter in a signature.
OK, that makes sense.
Is my X $foo{Y,Z} is C a general syntax we'd desugar to something like $foo := C[:of(X),Y,Z].new 23:33
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jnthn Or are the hash and array syntaxes a special case? 23:33
erm, the hash one 23:34
TimToady they may well be special; and in any case you shouldn't pass positionals after a named :P
jnthn :P
I should really try learning Perl 6 some day...
I'm asking this 'cus I'm planning to implement the parametric roles stuff in the not too distant future. :-) 23:35
TimToady you *may* pass positionals after named, but note that Y will be bound to ::of, leaving your :of arg bereft
jnthn Oh, I had one other question, then I'll leave you alone. :-) Where is the .mixin method you use in STD.pm defined? 23:36
TimToady Cursor.pmc
jnthn Aha, OK, so it's a method on cursor objects.
TimToady everything is a method on cursor objects, pret' near 23:37
jnthn The use of parametric roles in STD.pm is pretty cool. :-)
TimToady yeah, well, I may have to cheat on the starters and stoppers for speed, but for now it does it "right" 23:38
but each time I do it right I use up another 80meg or so of disk cache :)
I'm hopeful that once my lexers get out of strings and into real data structures the means for compressing common patterns will be obvious. 23:39
but it's a lot easier to understand in string form... 23:40
jnthn Well, make it work, then make it fast/compact.
TimToady also, the parameters on roles are rather limited at the moment
jnthn You don't get the full power of signatures there? 23:41
jnthn was planning to implement it so you did...
TimToady since they have to be faked by RE_var::longest
well, p5 doesn't really have roles, so all mixins are basically some variant of eval 23:42
jnthn Ah, OK. 23:43
TimToady the RE_var::longest code has to be cognizant that certain variables can be treated as constants wrt LTM 23:44
they're only variable across different packages
jnthn tries to wrap his head around this
So in 23:45
role startstop[$start,$stop] {
token starter { $start }
TimToady $start has to be treated as part of the longest token 23:46
jnthn OK
TimToady and that is what the last method in Cursor, RE::var::longest, is doing.
arguably those methods can go in a different file these days though, since they aren't actually Cursor methods 23:47
jnthn So when you do self.mixin( ::startstop[$start,$stop] ) then it needs to compile a specific version of the token with what's passed as $start and $stop constant from that point on?
TimToady yes, mixin generates a new package, moosed to be derived from the original, and evals the code in that package 23:48
it does not attempt to in-line $start and $stop though 23:49
which is why it's faked in the longest
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TimToady in fact, it doesn't rewrite the generic routines at all 23:49
just uses the derivation of the original
but longest knows which vars are to be treated as generic 23:50
and the actual matcher doesn't care, since it just matches the runtime string
jnthn OK 23:51
TimToady but it is currently limited to strings, really
jnthn I'll have to take a look at the code.
And see what it's doing.
TimToady so p5 can use it for types, but only to the extent that p5 treats types as strings.
jnthn OK, but an implementation where roles were available first class wouldn't have that limitation? 23:52
TimToady presumably. STD is only meant to bootstrap the compiler on p5 23:53
it doesn't try for a perfect p5 implementation of p6 23:54
which would be very slow
on the other hand, it's trying to do things correctly from the p6 perspective at least 23:55
pugs_svn r23092 | jnthn++ | [t/spec] Un-fudge a multi method test for 'is default' and add a few more multi method tests. More welcome and encouraged.
TimToady so p6 thinks it's a real mixin, even if p5 sees it as an eval that happens to fake up a mixin
jnthn OK. 23:56
jnthn thinks his brain is going to be kept busy for the coming months
TimToady so we really are relying on derivation for derived grammars, even if all the apparatus has to be faked up around it
jnthn *nod* 23:57
In theory, if I can get this right for roles and classes, I'd hope that roles with grammars would mostly fall out naturally.
TimToady and we really do go out and interrogate methods for their longest token sets, even though Cursor has a lot of excess familiarity with the innards 23:58
yes
jnthn OK.
TimToady and p5 doesn't really let you treat a method as an object, so we fake that too
jnthn will try and get it right 23:59
TimToady wit the *_PEEK routines
jnthn Aha.
TimToady though we could conceivably do something with p5's sub attributes

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