pugscode.org/ planetsix.perl.org/ | nopaste: sial.org/pbot/perl6 | evalbot: perl6: say 3; (or rakudo:, pugs:, elf:, etc) | irclog: irc.pugscode.org/ | ~330 days 'til Xmas Set by mncharity on 25 January 2009. |
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pugs_svn | r25048 | lwall++ | [STD, S05] converge spec and parse of character classes | 00:08 | |
Amateurbr | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./ilbot2.pl line 4. | 00:09 | |
how to fix it? | |||
[particle] | Amateurbr: /join #perl | 00:11 | |
ask there. | |||
Amateurbr | I'm talking about irclog perl script | ||
ilbot | 00:12 | ||
moritz.faui2k3.org/en/ilbot | |||
[particle] | try: cpan Config::File | ||
Amateurbr | cool | 00:17 | |
unfortunately, I'm not the root :~~ | |||
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Amateurbr | script discarded | 00:18 | |
[particle] | www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=303958 | 00:20 | |
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Amateurbr | too hard for me, anyway thank you | 00:36 | |
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s1n | pmichaud: concerning rakudo on git, have you looked into git-svn? | 00:44 | |
pugs_svn | r25049 | lwall++ | [S29] expand on use of * in orderings | ||
r25049 | lwall++ | sort, min, and max shouldn't have an optional positional before a slurpy | |||
r25049 | lwall++ | junctional functions take *@array, not a single @array parameter | |||
r25049 | lwall++ | hence the corresponding methods are not exported | |||
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frew | pugs: sub l ($a) { my StrLen $len = StrLen.new($a); return $len }; say l(1) | 01:11 | |
p6eval | pugs: OUTPUT«*** No such subroutine: "&StrLen" at /tmp/T5HiXZi0kH line 1, column 26-45» | 01:12 | |
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frew | rakudo: sub l ($a) { my StrLen $len = StrLen.new($a); return $len }; say l(1) | 01:12 | |
p6eval | rakudo 36042: OUTPUT«Scope not found for PAST::Var '$len' in lcurrent instr.: 'parrot;PCT;HLLCompiler;panic' pc 146 (src/PCT/HLLCompiler.pir:102)» | ||
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frew | rakudo: sub l (Int $a) { my StrLen $len = StrLen.new($a); return $len }; say l(1) | 01:18 | |
p6eval | rakudo 36042: OUTPUT«Scope not found for PAST::Var '$len' in lcurrent instr.: 'parrot;PCT;HLLCompiler;panic' pc 146 (src/PCT/HLLCompiler.pir:102)» | ||
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frew | blaaarg! | 01:35 | |
What does Unable to set lvalue on PAST::Val node mean? | 01:36 | ||
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[particle] | a past val is a constant, usually. | 01:43 | |
you really shouldn't be trying to do 3 = ... | |||
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frew | yeah | 01:50 | |
It's a test in substr | |||
substr($str, 4, 5) = "frew" | |||
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pugs_svn | r25050 | frew++ | [t] Added tests for substr(Int, StrPos) and substr(Int, StrLen) | 02:06 | |
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frew | Does anyone here know if "[opp] @list" is just a shortcut for [email@hidden.address] {$^a opp $^b}" ? | 02:27 | |
in which case it really only needs to be tested once | 02:28 | ||
nevermind | 02:30 | ||
I see that it's already tested | 02:31 | ||
pugs: (1,3,2).delete(2) | 02:33 | ||
p6eval | pugs: RESULT«2» | ||
frew | pugs: (1,3,2).delete(1) | ||
p6eval | pugs: RESULT«3» | ||
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frew | pugs: delete((1,3,2), 1) | 02:33 | |
p6eval | pugs: RESULT«3» | ||
frew | pugs: ~delete((1,3,2), 1) | 02:35 | |
p6eval | pugs: RESULT«"3"» | ||
frew | pugs: @foo = (1,3,2); delete(@foo, 1).say; @foo.say; | 02:36 | |
p6eval | pugs: OUTPUT«***  Unexpected " =" expecting "::" Variable "@foo" requires predeclaration or explicit package name at /tmp/iiHewKFDGV line 1, column 5» | ||
frew | pugs: my @foo = (1,3,2); delete(@foo, 1).say; @foo.say; | ||
p6eval | pugs: OUTPUT«312» | ||
frew | pugs: my @foo = (1,3,2); delete(@foo, 1).say; @foo.join(',').say; | 02:37 | |
p6eval | pugs: OUTPUT«31,,2» | ||
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pugs_svn | r25051 | frew++ | Added tests for delete as a function with and without named arguments | 02:44 | |
frew | pugs: elems(1,2,3,4) | 02:48 | |
p6eval | pugs: OUTPUT«*** No compatible multi variant found: "&elems" at /tmp/9RCzkBLrbj line 1, column 1 - line 2, column 1» | ||
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frew | pugs: elems((1,2,3,4)) | 02:48 | |
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p6eval | pugs: RESULT«4» | 02:48 | |
TimToady | frew: it's not an exact equivalent, since [op] pays attention to associativity to decide whether to do things right-to-left or left-to-right | 02:50 | |
frew | ok | 02:51 | |
well, either way there's already a test for it | |||
speaking of, I was wondering if there was a reduce that you can use when the order doesn't matter | |||
like with * and + but not / or ~ | 02:52 | ||
TimToady | it doesn't matter for * only in theory | ||
frew | ?? | ||
TimToady | computer numbers are not real numbers | ||
frew | oh | ||
right. | |||
that's true | |||
justatheory | * | 02:53 | |
frew | well that would still be cool | ||
justatheory | * * * * * * * * | ||
frew | what if the computer could pick up on that and act appropriately? | ||
SamB | TimToady: this is why they told you in school not to use floating point ;-P | ||
frew | like for [+] (@huge_list) it could actually do @huge_list.sort.reduce({...}) | ||
pugs_svn | r25052 | frew++ | [t] added named argument test for elems | 02:55 | |
frew | also: I really wish vim were better at parsing perl | ||
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frew | I tried the perl6.vim that's in the pugs repo, but the pod still makes the whole file look commented out a lot | 02:56 | |
avar | literal: fix it | ||
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pugs_svn | r25053 | frew++ | [t] Added named argument tests for keys and values | 03:02 | |
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frew | std: frew(:bar($baz)) | 03:12 | |
p6eval | std 25053: OUTPUT«Unknown routines: frew called at 1 00:05 86m» | ||
frew | std: kv(:array(@foo)) | ||
p6eval | std 25053: OUTPUT«00:05 86m» | ||
frew | std: kv(:array @foo) | ||
p6eval | std 25053: OUTPUT«############# PARSE FAILED #############Unable to parse argument list; couldn't find final ')' at /tmp/RUsttf2buJ line 1:------> kv(:array @foo) expecting any of: infix or meta-infix infix stopper standard stopper terminator00:05 85m» | ||
frew | std: kv(array => @foo) | 03:13 | |
p6eval | std 25053: OUTPUT«00:05 86m» | ||
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pugs_svn | r25054 | frew++ | [t] added named arguments to the kv test | 03:18 | |
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pugs_svn | r25055 | frew++ | [t] added named args and functional tests to pairs | 03:32 | |
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s1n | TimToady: ping | 03:50 | |
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s1n | rakudo my $t = "junk"; say $t :d; | 03:56 | |
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s1n | rakudo: my $t = "junk"; say $t :d; | 03:59 | |
p6eval | rakudo 36042: OUTPUT«Statement not terminated properly at line 1, near ":d;"current instr.: 'parrot;PGE;Util;die' pc 129 (runtime/parrot/library/PGE/Util.pir:83)» | ||
s1n | rakudo: my $t = "junk"; say "hmm" if $t :d; | ||
p6eval | rakudo 36042: OUTPUT«Statement not terminated properly at line 1, near ":d;"current instr.: 'parrot;PGE;Util;die' pc 129 (runtime/parrot/library/PGE/Util.pir:83)» | ||
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s1n | can someone explain to me the current state of adverbs in rakudo | 04:14 | |
and also, (TimToady maybe) i'm looking for an explanation of what methods such as :by act as | 04:15 | ||
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TimToady | :by is not a method | 04:44 | |
it's just a named argument | |||
s1n | to what? Range's constructor? | ||
TimToady | to the function known as infix:<..> | 04:45 | |
which happens to construct a Range object, yes | 04:46 | ||
s1n | okay | ||
what is a circumfix method/noun? | |||
TimToady | all of the prefix/infix/circumfix thingies are macros that map to functions | 04:47 | |
a circumfix is just a macro that looks for its delimiters on both ends | 04:48 | ||
s1n | i figured it had something to do with positioning | ||
TimToady | and leaves the parser in the state of expecting an infix | ||
s1n | so if i get a parse error that backtraces to a circumfix statement, it's reasonable to assume it's treating it as a circumfix method? | 04:49 | |
TimToady | a prefix, in contrast, leaves it in the state of expecting more noun | ||
if it says it couldn't find the closing delimiter, it just means it got confused somewhere in the middle | |||
s1n | hmm ok, not sure that makes perfect sense to me | ||
TimToady | the green/red transition of STD tells you where it got confused | ||
s1n | rakudo: 1..10 :by(3) | 04:50 | |
p6eval | rakudo 36042: OUTPUT«Statement not terminated properly at line 1, near ":by(3)"current instr.: 'parrot;PGE;Util;die' pc 129 (runtime/parrot/library/PGE/Util.pir:83)» | ||
TimToady | which is a problem if you're colorblind :) | ||
rakudo doesn't do :by yet | |||
s1n | right | ||
i'm trying to understand why and how this sort of thing works :) | |||
what is the green/red transition of STD? | 04:51 | ||
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TimToady | std: $foo $bar | 04:51 | |
p6eval | std 25055: OUTPUT«############# PARSE FAILED #############Syntax error (two terms in a row?) at /tmp/ruqSphfN3f line 1:------> $foo $bar expecting any of: infix or meta-infix infix stopper standard stopper statement modifier loop terminator00:05 86m» | ||
SamB | s1n: it's a special feature designed to confuse the color-blind | ||
TimToady | do you see the green and red there? | ||
just after the arrow? | 04:52 | ||
s1n | gaim's coloring feature doesnt appear to work | ||
i see a box with "001B" or "0018" in small font | |||
s/gaim/pidgin/ | |||
TimToady | ansi colors | ||
well, if you cd src/perl6; make; tryfile foo | 04:53 | ||
where foo contains $foo $bar | |||
you'll see the error in real life | |||
s1n | i'll keep that in mind | ||
TimToady: do you know if rakudo supports named parameters though? | 04:54 | ||
TimToady | to some extent it does | ||
I'm not an expert on it though | |||
biab & # picking up kid from karate | |||
SamB | s1n: it's not gaim | 04:55 | |
it's that these bots are sending ANSI escapes and not mIRC colors | |||
someone told me the reason for this was that I had not implemented the mIRC color support in the botss, but then told me that I shouldn't use that here anyway | 04:56 | ||
s1n | i just learned to ignore it and assume it was something pidgin didn't support | ||
SamB | nothing supports it, as far as I know | 04:57 | |
s1n | then why have it? | ||
SamB | it's just passed through from CLI programs, I guess | ||
s1n | seems like it should be converted for the bots | ||
SamB | to clarify, terminals support it | ||
s1n | not very useful for a bot though | 04:58 | |
SamB | some people didn't like the idea of having that happen in this channel for some reason | ||
s1n | the colors work? that's bad why? | 04:59 | |
SamB | well, then they would see colors | ||
some people have strong feelings about colors on IRC, dunno why! | 05:00 | ||
well, I mean, you don't want people using them like teenaged girls might ... | |||
s1n | well, pidgin allows me to force a format | 05:02 | |
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rakudo_svn | r36044 | petdance++ | consting and localizing | 07:00 | |
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moritz_ | rakudo: class A { has $.x; method s { $.x.say } }; my $a = any(A.new(:x(2)), A.new(:x(3)); $a.s | 07:40 | |
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moritz_ | frew++ # adding many tests | 08:16 | |
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Matt-W | Quiet in here today | 11:42 | |
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moritz_ | freenode has (or had) a large hiccup | 11:43 | |
masak | I'm here. | ||
just not working on anything p6y right now. | 11:44 | ||
moritz_ | that's why p6eval isn't in here, I assume it's on a netspliit | ||
Matt-W | aah | ||
moritz_ | and it has lost its connection a few times already today | 11:45 | |
Matt-W | networks | 11:46 | |
who'd touch them, eh? | |||
oh wait, that's what I do for a living... | |||
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masak | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle | 11:58 | |
I didn't know this was more wide-spread than the Haskell and Perl 6 worlds :) | |||
Matt-W | I looked at the u4x TODO | ||
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masak | Matt-W: great! | 11:58 | |
Matt-W | it's quite a long list isn't it | ||
masak | Matt-W: yes. no need to deny that. | ||
there's a lot of work ahead. | 11:59 | ||
Matt-W | hmm why is that a cycle | ||
it doesn't cycle | |||
masak | Matt-W: not for one single thing, perhaps. | ||
it sort of cycles in that it comes back to populatiry | |||
s/tiry/rity/ | |||
Matt-W | mmm | 12:00 | |
what we also need for u4x is some guidance on formats | |||
I hope that we can rely on the thing that processes the Pod to provide the inherited methods... | |||
masak | Matt-W: just so you know: my current plan for u4x is to prepare one thing from each category, and document that. | ||
then we can sit down and discuss format requirements. | 12:01 | ||
Matt-W | that might be a good way to do it | ||
masak | I hope so. | ||
Matt-W | have a concrete thing sitting there telling us what we need to be able to do | ||
masak | aye. | ||
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masak | at this stage, what I'd most appreciate is if people made the TODO as comprehensive as possible. | 12:02 | |
anything goes. I'll review commits that people make. | |||
it's comparatively easy to find things that need to be added and add them. | |||
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masak | gist.github.com/53317 # an adequate way to do heredocs while waiting for the real thing | 12:27 | |
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rakudo_svn | r36053 | cotto++ | [pmc] update *IntegerArray to use ATTRs | 12:30 | |
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pmurias | ruoso: hi | 12:51 | |
ruoso | hi pmurias | ||
pmurias | ruoso: how will be workaround int not having .infix<+> etc.? | 12:55 | |
ruoso | pmurias, where is infix<+> used as a method now? | 12:56 | |
pmurias | .postcircumfix:<++> is used by s1p_array_interator | 12:57 | |
ruoso | right... | ||
pmurias, the idea of the iterator being private to the list that generated it is important because of that... | 12:58 | ||
we can cheat there without any problem | |||
since that iterator is only going to be used for that specific array implementation | 12:59 | ||
in fact... | |||
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pmurias | adding a non-spec method to a native class is a particularly bad way to cheat because it's hard to hide it | 13:00 | |
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pmurias | ruoso: the s1p_array_iterator is a generic one | 13:01 | |
as it uses the specced interface of any Array | 13:02 | ||
ruoso | pmurias, it's not really non-spec | 13:03 | |
multi method inifx:«<=»(int $other) is export | 13:04 | ||
in int | |||
postfix:<++> I agree to be a problem | 13:07 | ||
but we might represent that in terms of infix:<+> instead | 13:08 | ||
pmurias | & | 13:14 | |
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masak | I found a bug. | 13:22 | |
rakudo: class A { has $.b; }; while shift [A.new( :b(0) )] -> $a { say $a.b; $a.clone( :b($a.b + 1) ); say $a.b; last; } | |||
but p6eval isn't here. right. | 13:23 | ||
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masak | perl6: class A { has $.b; }; while shift [A.new( :b(0) )] -> $a { say $a.b; $a.clone( :b($a.b + 1) ); say $a.b; last; } | 13:53 | |
p6eval | elf 25059: OUTPUT«Useless use of reference constructor in void context at (eval 126) line 14.Undefined subroutine &Main::ARRAY called at (eval 126) line 8. at ./elf_h line 4333» | ||
..pugs: OUTPUT«*** Cannot 'shift' scalar at Prelude.pm line 736, column 48-75» | |||
..rakudo 36054: OUTPUT«01» | |||
masak | Rakudo destroys the original object in this particular case. | ||
Druid++ for exposing this bug. | |||
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ayrnieu | pugs: sub List::rand { @_[rand +@_] }; <1 2 3>.rand | 14:00 | |
p6eval | pugs: RESULT«\"1"» | ||
ayrnieu | rakudo: sub List::rand { @_[rand +@_] }; <1 2 3>.rand | ||
p6eval | rakudo 36054: OUTPUT«Null PMC access in invoke()current instr.: '_block14' pc 71 (EVAL_17:43)» | ||
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masak | rakudo: sub a { @_ } a | 14:04 | |
p6eval | rakudo 36054: OUTPUT«Statement not terminated properly at line 1, near "a"current instr.: 'parrot;PGE;Util;die' pc 129 (runtime/parrot/library/PGE/Util.pir:83)» | ||
masak | rakudo: sub a { @_ }; a | ||
p6eval | rakudo 36054: RESULT«[]» | 14:05 | |
masak | rakudo: sub a { @_[+@_] }; a | ||
p6eval | rakudo 36054: RESULT«undef» | ||
masak | rakudo: sub a { @_[+@_] }; <1 2 3>.a | ||
p6eval | rakudo 36054: OUTPUT«Method 'a' not found for invocant of class 'List'current instr.: 'parrot;P6metaclass;dispatch' pc 287 (src/classes/ClassHOW.pir:145)» | ||
masak | rakudo: sub List::a { @_[+@_] }; <1 2 3>.a | 14:06 | |
p6eval | rakudo 36054: OUTPUT«Null PMC access in invoke()current instr.: '_block14' pc 71 (EVAL_17:43)» | ||
masak submits rakudobug | |||
rakudo: sub List::a {}; <1 2 3>.a | 14:07 | ||
p6eval | rakudo 36054: OUTPUT«Null PMC access in invoke()current instr.: '_block14' pc 71 (EVAL_16:40)» | ||
masak | hey, wait. 'sub'? | 14:08 | |
rakudo: method List::a {}; <1 2 3>.a | |||
p6eval | rakudo 36054: OUTPUT«Method 'a' not found for invocant of class 'List'current instr.: 'parrot;P6metaclass;dispatch' pc 287 (src/classes/ClassHOW.pir:145)» | ||
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pmichaud | std: say 'hello'; class Foo; say 'oops'; | 14:17 | |
p6eval | std 25059: OUTPUT«00:05 82m» | ||
masak | pmichaud: good day. | 14:20 | |
[perl #62828] reminds me of the bad old #58392 days. I look forward to the explanation for that one; .clone behaves well in all other circumstances, but not that one. | 14:22 | ||
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literal | paste.nix.is | 14:32 | |
code highlighting courtesy of perl6.vim | |||
line numbers don't work with highlighting yet, though | 14:33 | ||
masak | literal: awesome. | ||
pmichaud | #62828 just looks like some clone weirdness to me -- nothing fundamentally broken. | 14:36 | |
I'm not even sure that we have named parameters working in 'clone' yet. | |||
masak | still shouldn't screw up the original. | 14:37 | |
pmichaud | (by "nothing fundamentally broken" I mean that it's not a deep bug require huge fixes) | ||
masak | oh, good. | ||
pmichaud | (which would be different from #58392) | ||
ruoso | literal, wouldn't you like to support STD-based highlight? | ||
literal | sure | 14:39 | |
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masak | moritz_++ # Match.perl | 15:33 | |
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pmichaud | actually, I suspect that Test.pm will become our first prelude component. :-) | 15:53 | |
masak | combining November and u4x in some way would be awesome, I think. | 15:56 | |
literal | what's u4x? | ||
masak | literal: it's a documentation project. | 15:57 | |
literal: use.perl.org/~masak/journal/38279 | 15:58 | ||
rakudo_svn | r36055 | pmichaud++ | [rakudo]: spectest-progress.csv update: 295 files, 6546 passing, 0 failing | 16:00 | |
literal | I see | ||
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TimToady | mtnviewmark: just added missing before/after chain ops | 18:10 | |
mtnviewmark | ah - in S03 and STD.pm? | ||
TimToady | in STD | ||
they're already in S03 | 18:11 | ||
mtnviewmark | thanks for the heads up | ||
they are? | |||
okay | |||
TimToady | under Generic comparisons or some such | ||
also note new metaoperator on $a -cmp $b | |||
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mtnviewmark | I see, like generic eqv | 18:12 | |
okay | |||
will have to fit these in somewhere... | |||
:-) | |||
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mtnviewmark | hmm.. now eqv is different | 18:13 | |
no generic equal? | |||
or is that eqv? | |||
TimToady | that's what eqv is | ||
cmp == 0 | |||
mtnviewmark | okay so, before, eqv, after | ||
are the generic versions of <, ==, > | |||
TimToady | yes | ||
but generic <= is spelled !after | 18:14 | ||
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mtnviewmark | good - don't have room for beforeoreqv | 18:14 | |
PerlJam | wait ... $a -cmp $b is the same as $b cmp $a ? | 18:15 | |
TimToady | same as -($b cmp $a) modulo Order enum typing | 18:16 | |
er, no what you said | |||
didn't see the reversal | |||
PerlJam | (I probably should have used $a and $b differently there :) | 18:17 | |
TimToady | but you can pass infix:<-cmp> as a function, for instance | ||
without generating a new closure | |||
PerlJam | That's neat I guess (though with my limited thought on the subject it looks like a solution in want of a problem) | 18:18 | |
TimToady | shower & | 18:23 | |
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rakudo_svn | r36058 | particle++ | [rakudo] make Inf/NaN support portable | 18:30 | |
r36058 | particle++ | +58 tests with msvc | |||
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rakudo_svn | r36059 | moritz++ | [rakudo] add a few more passing tests to t/spectest.data. | 18:40 | |
r36059 | moritz++ | Restore alphabetical ordering. | |||
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masak | they're slightly wasted on me, because I log out daily -- but thanks. :) | 19:11 | |
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masak | 哈哈 | 19:11 | |
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diakopter | oh, | 19:12 | |
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TimToady | that should keep us going till the next major outage | 19:15 | |
which, given how last night went, might be soon... | |||
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masak | moritz_: how can I tell RT "I care a lot about this bug"? | 19:16 | |
moritz_ | masak: blog about it *g* | 19:17 | |
masak | 哈哈 | ||
moritz_: no, but ISTR that you had a list on RT with such bugs. | |||
or were those bugs that you owned? | |||
moritz_ | first, you can click on "Basics" and change the severity | 19:18 | |
masak | ah. good idea. | ||
moritz_ | then you can take them (and they'll be displayed on the overview page when you#re logged in) | ||
masak | what does it mean, socially, to take them? | 19:19 | |
moritz_ | that you will try to resolve it | ||
masak | thought so. | ||
I would if I thought that was the fastest way to get them fixed. :P | 19:20 | ||
[particle] | aw, crud, i forget the field to add your email addr to | 19:24 | |
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oskie | hm, is perl6 (any variant) usable at the moment? | 19:26 | |
[particle] | yes | ||
for my definition of usable | |||
try rakudo. | |||
oskie | ah, ok, thanks (you answered my question even before i asked it :) | 19:27 | |
moritz_ | rakudo: say "Hi, this is Rakudo, and I'm usable from IRC" | ||
p6eval | rakudo 36059: OUTPUT«Hi, this is Rakudo, and I'm usable from IRC» | 19:28 | |
masak | oskie: I'm doing a wiki application in Rakudo. and a board game. and various smaller tools. | ||
finanalyst | moritz_: still examining caller.t. Last section of code has function 'chain'. Cant find description of chain | ||
masak | I'd call it very usable. | ||
oskie | masak: nice! | ||
masak | oskie: however... :) | ||
oh, you'll find out for yourself. | |||
moritz_ | finanalyst: it's declared in that test file | 19:29 | |
sub chain { B.try_it_caller_B(@_) | |||
} | |||
masak | oskie: use.perl.org/~masak/journal/38184 | ||
oskie | debian has a 0.4.13 version of parrot, i suspect that's quite old (seeing that the dev ver is 0.9.0) | 19:30 | |
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masak | oskie: yes, use svn. | 19:30 | |
moritz_ | don't even think about using 0.4.anything | ||
finanalyst | thanx. been looking at the file and missed it | ||
masak | moritz_: I'm half-stuck implementing pack/unpack in Rakudo. do you think prototyping it in your guerilla Prelude project would be a good idea? | ||
oskie | masak: heh... 7 bugs in 1 hour.. sounds like me trying to compile some basic java code with the gnu java compiler (gcj) some years ago | 19:31 | |
moritz_ | masak: sure. | ||
masak | oskie: those were closed bugs, however. | ||
oskie: it's been a while since I could _find_ 7 bugs in an hour. :) | 19:32 | ||
oskie: oh. nvm. yes, 7 bugs. | |||
oskie: but that's about a month ago, so now it'd be more like 2 or 3. :) | |||
oskie | masak: hah ok, good enough :) | 19:33 | |
masak | yes, most of the time. | ||
oskie: if you're interested in runnable code, do check out github.com/viklund/november github.com/masak/druid github.com/eric256/perl6-examples perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-5-to-6/ | 19:35 | ||
finanalyst | moritz_: some more questions on caller.t | 19:36 | |
why should is ~a_sub() on line 12 return 'foo'? | |||
regarding :undo, should this be moved to a fudge directive #?pugs undo | 19:37 | ||
also line 12 of caller.t | |||
moritz_ | yes | ||
uhm, I think that's wrong (return "foo") | 19:38 | ||
masak | finanalyst++ # doing test work | ||
finanalyst | trying, but not yet successfully | ||
moritz_ | the caller of b_sub is a_sub, so a_sub should return 'a_sub' | ||
finanalyst | that's what i thought | ||
so where does "foo" come from? | 19:39 | ||
moritz_ | finanalyst: perhaps a renamed test function | ||
masak | (copy/paste)-- | 19:40 | |
moritz_ | I'm wondering about line 18 also | 19:41 | |
finanalyst | i thought that would work because it is line 18 | ||
moritz_ | if caller reports the line of the calling *block*, then it works, but the previous test is wrong | ||
but if it reports the line of the calling *sub*, then there is no such thing | 19:42 | ||
so turning it into sub call_line { caller.line }; is call_line(), 18, 'caller.line works'; should do the trick | |||
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finanalyst | but what about line 41 | 19:43 | |
viz. chain({ caller().line }, "29", "caller line"); | 19:44 | ||
moritz_ | that's a bit trickier, I fear :/ | 19:46 | |
chain calls try_it_caller, which calls try_it | 19:47 | ||
and try_it executes a block, which contains caller().line | |||
so try_it_caller is the caller that caller() refers to | |||
and try_it_caller is on line 29 | 19:48 | ||
so that's right, if you ask me | |||
finanalyst | mmm. and you told me caller.t was a good place to start on the test reviews :) | ||
moritz_ | I thought so, because it was about builtins (which are generally easier), and because it's easy to find the spec | 19:50 | |
finanalyst | still its a good learning experience. | ||
moritz_ | glad to hear that ;) | 19:51 | |
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masak | rakudo: grammar G { regex TOP { foo } }; "foo" ~~ /<G::TOP>/; say $/.WHAT; G.parse("foo"); say $/.WHAT | 19:54 | |
p6eval | rakudo 36059: OUTPUT«MatchG» | ||
masak | sometimes I understand why it's called WHAT. | ||
moritz_ | shouldn't it be called WTF? | ||
masak | that'd be even more apt, yes. | ||
I might make that my first Perl 6 Acme module. | |||
moritz_ | finanalyst: what I forgot to mention... since Rakudo doesn't implement caller() yet, there's no reason to try to fudge that file for rakudo | 20:00 | |
[particle] | how much of t/ remains outside t/spec/ thee days? | 20:01 | |
5k tests? 10k tests? | |||
moritz_ | 4k to 5k | 20:02 | |
[particle] | sweet! | ||
we're ~75% converted? | |||
moritz_ | sial.org/pbot/34738 | ||
masak | moritz_++ | ||
moritz_ | don't forget simon** | ||
erm, simon++ | 20:03 | ||
[particle] | wow | ||
moritz_ | and apart from t/regex/p6regex/p6regex.t none of the remaining files has more than 100 tests in it | ||
[particle] | was p6regex.t stolen from pge? | 20:04 | |
moritz_ | yes | ||
[particle] | ok, so we know those pass, anyway :) | ||
moritz_ | and probably rx.t is a much better replacement | ||
[particle] | yep | ||
moritz_ | so I think I'll delete p6regex.t | ||
pugs_svn | r25064 | moritz++ | [t] a small script that tells you how many tests are in which parts of the | 20:05 | |
r25064 | moritz++ | test suite | |||
[particle] | have you run t/examples via rakudo? | 20:06 | |
oskie | masak: thanks for the links... the perl 5 to 6 one was particularly useful! | 20:07 | |
moritz_ | [particle]: the main part of that was 99-problems, which I mostly ported to spec/integration/99* | ||
masak | oskie: moritz_++ again, then :) | ||
moritz_ blushes | 20:08 | ||
[particle] | ah, i didn't realize it's in spec/integration | 20:09 | |
i did notice spec/integration takes longer now, though :) | |||
moritz_ | I copied most of those files that actually contained tests (and not just stubs) | 20:10 | |
and merged them, ten each into one file | |||
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ruoso | HellO! | 20:11 | |
masak | ruoso: oh hai | ||
pugs_svn | r25065 | lwall++ | [README] no longer need TRE; now use YAML::Syck | 20:14 | |
oskie | why do you still have $a,@b,%c when you can do $a,$b,$c assuming you initialize them to the correct type? | 20:18 | |
diakopter | ruoso: howdy | ||
ruoso | diakopter, hi | 20:19 | |
diakopter, were you able to run mildew? | 20:20 | ||
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[particle] | <1 2 3>.a is a method call, not a sub call | 20:25 | |
of course it shouldn't give null pmc access | 20:26 | ||
but it shouldn't work, should it? | |||
ruoso | as long as the list doesn't provide a "a" method, it should fial | 20:27 | |
moritz_ | not unless there was 'class List is also { method a { ... } }' before ;-) | ||
ruoso | moritz_, with the "use MONKEY_PATCHING;" before that ;) | ||
moritz_ | ruoso: I know, but Rakudo doesn't to pragmas yet, so I ignore that bit | 20:28 | |
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diakopter | ruoso: well, no. | 20:29 | |
ruoso | diakopter, because it failed? or because you didn't try? | ||
diakopter | ruoso: Bareword found where operator expected at ../../src/perl6/STD.pm line 4, near "$LANG is" | 20:30 | |
`make all` | |||
ruoso | do you have perl 5.10? | ||
diakopter | yeah | ||
ruoso | you need to run make in ../../src/perl6 | 20:31 | |
it is trying to run the Perl 6 code, and you need STD.pmc to be built | |||
diakopter | oh ok | 20:32 | |
I was actually doing that now too. | |||
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diakopter | preparing to, anyway. installing Moose. | 20:39 | |
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finanalyst | moritz_: not quite sure what you mean, not fudge for rakudo. Since rakudo doesnt impliment caller(), shouldnt the whole file be skipped? | 20:47 | |
Also, for completeness, pugs requires eg., caller().sub but how to code this for implementation independence, but leave in code for pugs? | 20:48 | ||
[particle] | finanalyst: only files with a reasonable expectation of passing in rakudo are fudged | ||
"fudge no file before its time" | |||
moritz_ | finanalyst: that's exactly what I meant - it won't run, so don't even try | 20:49 | |
Tene_ | What is caller() ? | ||
moritz_ | Tene_: information about the caller of a sub | ||
Tene_ | What information? | ||
moritz_ | finanalyst: caller() seems fine | ||
Tene_: line number, file, name... much like in Perl 5 | |||
Tene_ | I think we could implement that in rakudo pretty soon with the bytecode annotations. | 20:50 | |
moritz_ | finanalyst: since caller is a function, calling it as caller() is valid Perl 6, and can be left as is | ||
Tene_: that would be great (especially if we finally got line numbers in run-time errors), but I think pmichaud++ needed to do some PGE rework first | 20:51 | ||
Tene_ | yeah | ||
[particle] | yep, need pge work to get line info, pge currently tracks only pos | ||
finanalyst | do you want caller.t moved to t/spec/S06-advanced_subroutine_features ? | ||
moritz_ | finanalyst: yes | 20:52 | |
diakopter | ruoso: mildew can't find smop's .dll... I suppose I should install it someplace windows can find it... | 20:53 | |
ruoso | diakopter, or use the windows equivalent for LD_LIBRARY_PATH | ||
if there is such thing | |||
diakopter | tmp/Rf4Prebpgm:8: undefined reference to `_SMOP__S1P__Capturize' | 20:54 | |
and more | 20:55 | ||
:( unfortunately I don't know how to get more verbosity or investigate/diagnose deeper. | 20:56 | ||
so I'm grateful for any suggestions. :) | |||
ruoso | hmm | 20:57 | |
is it when running? or when compiling? | |||
diakopter | perl mildew -Cso -o prelude/Prelude.mildew.so prelude/Prelude.pm | ||
/cygdrive/c/Users/mwilson/AppData/Local/Temp/ccmEaQCp.o: In function `init': | 20:58 | ||
/tmp/Rf4Prebpgm:8: undefined reference to `_SMOP__S1P__Capturize' | |||
ruoso | ok, that's when compiling | ||
diakopter | it needs to know where some .h are? | ||
ruoso | hm.. well... undefined reference is usually a message of the linker, not the compiler | 20:59 | |
diakopter | yeah, after 3 sets of those types of errors, this: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | ||
ruoso | is there a way for you to check if smop.dll contains that symbol? | 21:00 | |
maybe the linker is being called incorrectly | |||
diakopter | yeah I can look at smop.dll's exports | 21:02 | |
smop.dll exports SMOP__S1P__Capturize | 21:04 | ||
but not the one with leading _ | |||
sounds like yet another windows library building oddity. | 21:05 | ||
ruoso | yeah... | ||
ruoso commute & | |||
diakopter | on yours, does it have which or both | ||
ruoso | diakopter, I'll take a look at it when I get homew | ||
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masak | use.perl.org/~masak/journal/38353 | 21:07 | |
oskie | I found a typo in perlcabal.org/~azawawi/html/spec/S0...on.t.html, who can fix? | ||
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masak | oskie: what's the typo? | 21:07 | |
oskie | statementlist statement statement_modexpr statement_expr EXPR termish noun term term__S_393identifier identifier ident isstatementlist statement statement_modexpr statement_expr EXPR termish noun term term__S_393identifier args args_func_args (statementlist statement statement_modexpr statement_expr EXPR termish noun term term__S_393identifier args args_func_args semiarglist arglist EXPR EXPR termish PRE PRE_prepost PRE_prefix prefix pr | 21:08 | |
oops | |||
stupid windoze clipboard... is(+Order::Decrease, 1, 'Order::Increase numifies to 1'); <- should read 'Order::Decrease numifies to 1'); | 21:09 | ||
masak | aye, I see it. | ||
fixing. | |||
moritz_ | oskie: the source is in t/spec/S03-operators/comparison.t - do you want a commit bit? | ||
oskie: then you can fix such things on your own | |||
oskie | moritz_: hehe, ah, there it is. sure, i can fix it! | 21:10 | |
pugs_svn | r25066 | masak++ | [comparison.t] typo spotted by oskie++ | ||
moritz_ | heh, masak was faster ;-) | ||
masak blows gun pipes | |||
oskie | moritz_: strange, i don't have t/spec (from daily snapshot) | 21:11 | |
masak | oskie: Pugs repository? | ||
oskie | i should probably check out the code directly | ||
masak | oskie: you should. | ||
oskie: in Rakudo, you'll get the latest t/spec tests by running 'make spectest' in the perl6 dir. | 21:12 | ||
[particle] | 'make testable' will get the latest t/spec | ||
make spectest will do that, and run the tests | |||
masak | [particle]: thanks. | 21:13 | |
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oskie | ah, that's useful | 21:18 | |
masak | oskie: all this is because the spectests really reside in the Pugs repository, which can also be svn-checked-out through 'svn co svn.pugscode.org/pugs' | 21:19 | |
oskie | masak: ah, ok | 21:21 | |
jnthn | masak: whiner! :-P | 21:22 | |
masak | admittedly. | ||
pugs_svn | r25067 | putter++ | [elfparse] Now works with STD r25030 (dropped need for the r25041 patch). Also added :foo('bar') - colonpair with parens. | ||
masak | please, please, please fix! :/ | ||
I'm suffering from the beginnings of Perl 6 withdrawal here. | 21:23 | ||
finanalyst | particle: still not clear on fudge/nofudge. Saying that no need to fudge, do you mean dont include #?rakudo: todo directives? | ||
moritz_ | finanalyst: that's right | ||
jnthn | masak: I'll bet the clone bug is to do with Perl6Scalar doing not-exactly-what-you-expect on clone... | ||
masak | jnthn: I'm glad you have an inkling on that one. Druid is sad because of it. | 21:24 | |
moritz_ | and sad druids are dangerous ;-) | 21:25 | |
masak | moritz_: especially the kind wielding large blocks of stone. | ||
jnthn | masak: Ah. On the paris one - I kinda knew full well that | on a hash didn't work... | 21:26 | |
I think the |@a one made it in because someone specifically needed that and it's not quite done the right way. | |||
masak | ok. | ||
jnthn | pm and I discussed how to do it right on a bus in San Francisco. Now I just need to remember what we said... | ||
masak | best of luck. | 21:27 | |
pugs_svn | r25068 | finanalyst++ | [t] moved builtins/caller.t to spec/ | ||
jnthn | masak: I'm a tad drowsy today, after late night yesterday (;-)) and flight today...will try and look tomorrow. | 21:28 | |
moritz_ | finanalyst++ | ||
masak | jnthn: no prob. | ||
jnthn | Was good to see you yesterday - thanks for coming down! :-) | ||
masak | jnthn: thank _you_ for inviting me. :) | 21:29 | |
pugs_svn | r25069 | finanalyst++ | [t/spec] slight edits to S06-advanced_subroutine_features/caller.t | ||
jnthn | Erm. www.pmichaud.com/perl6/rakudo-tests...-01-27.png | ||
Where did all the new spectests come from?! | |||
masak | whoa. | 21:30 | |
jnthn | somebody++ if it's for real. | 21:31 | |
moritz_ | jnthn: pmichaud, you, Tene, [particle], masak, me... | 21:32 | |
finanalyst | moritz_: pls review t/spec/S06-advanced_subroutine_features/caller.t | ||
Tene_ | What about me? | ||
masak didn't do nuttin' | |||
moritz_ | jnthn: I estimated it's an average of more than 70 per day since may 2008 - I should blog about it | ||
finanalyst: sure thing, I review (nearly) all commits to the test suite | 21:33 | ||
jnthn | moritz_: I was more noticing on that latest graph, that the grey jumped up by a _load_ of late. | ||
Like, last day or two. | |||
finanalyst | i still dont think line 13 is right. Should be "a_sub", not "foo" | ||
moritz_ | finanalyst: right | ||
finanalyst | ok, will change | ||
jnthn | I've added more tests, but mostly ones that pass and exercise new but un[der]?tested features I'm putting in. | 21:34 | |
moritz_ | finanalyst: the syntax is '#?pugs 2 todo "reason"', with no colon after the 'pugs' part | ||
jnthn: ah that - I'm quite sure it's bogus | |||
jnthn | moritz_: Ah. | ||
moritz_ | oh wait | ||
I did move 1.5k regex tests | |||
(Unicode props mostly) | 21:35 | ||
jnthn | That'd do it! ;-) | ||
Or were they new ones? | |||
moritz_ | no | ||
they lived in t/regex/from_perl6/rules/properties.t (or similar) | 21:36 | ||
jnthn | Ah, OK. | ||
Now we just need someone with PGE-foo to make 'em pass. ;-) | |||
pugs_svn | r25070 | moritz++ | [t] remove p6regex.t, spec/S05-mass/rx.t is much better and more up-to-date | ||
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pugs_svn | r25071 | finanalyst++ | [t/spec] slight edits to S06-advanced_subroutine_features/caller.t | 21:37 | |
finanalyst | moritz_: you said syntax #?pugs ... no colon. But t/spec/README line 38 specifies an optional colon. | 21:39 | |
Is colon now not correct? | 21:40 | ||
[particle] | moritz_: +70 passing/day? | 21:41 | |
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masak | rakudo: grammar G { regex TOP { ^ <token>* $ }; regex token { <foo>|<bar> }; regex foo { foo }; regex bar { bar} }; "foofoobarfoo" ~~ /<G::TOP>/; say $/<token>.WHAT | 21:47 | |
p6eval | rakudo 36065: OUTPUT«Failure» | ||
masak | what should I do to get at the list of tokens inside $/ ? | ||
moritz_ | finanalyst: oh, I've never used it with colon, maybe it also works that way... sorry for the false alarm | ||
[particle]: on average, yes | 21:48 | ||
I'll just blog about it, with a chart and all | |||
jnthn | rakudo: grammar G { regex TOP { ^ <token>* $ }; regex token { <foo>|<bar> }; regex foo { foo }; regex bar { bar} }; "foofoobarfoo" ~~ /<G::TOP>/; say $/.WHAT; say ?$/; | 21:50 | |
p6eval | rakudo 36065: OUTPUT«Match1» | ||
jnthn | rakudo: grammar G { regex TOP { ^ <token>* $ }; regex token { <foo>|<bar> }; regex foo { foo }; regex bar { bar} }; "foofoobarfoo" ~~ /<G::TOP>/; say $/<TOP><token>.WHAT | 21:51 | |
p6eval | rakudo 36065: OUTPUT«Method 'postcircumfix:{ }' not found for invocant of class 'Failure'current instr.: 'postcircumfix:{ }' pc 3556 (src/classes/Associative.pir:77)» | ||
moritz_ | jnthn: $/<G::TOP> is more intersting | ||
jnthn | rakudo: grammar G { regex TOP { ^ <token>* $ }; regex token { <foo>|<bar> }; regex foo { foo }; regex bar { bar} }; "foofoobarfoo" ~~ /<G::TOP>/; say $/<G::TOP> | 21:52 | |
p6eval | rakudo 36065: OUTPUT«foofoobarfoo» | ||
jnthn | aha | ||
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jnthn | rakudo: grammar G { regex TOP { ^ <token>* $ }; regex token { <foo>|<bar> }; regex foo { foo }; regex bar { bar} }; "foofoobarfoo" ~~ /<G::TOP>/; .say for @($/<G::TOP><token>) | 21:52 | |
p6eval | rakudo 36065: OUTPUT«Method 'say' not found for invocant of class 'G'current instr.: 'parrot;P6metaclass;dispatch' pc 287 (src/classes/ClassHOW.pir:145)» | ||
masak | rakudo: grammar G { regex TOP { ^ <token>* $ }; regex token { <foo>|<bar> }; regex foo { foo }; regex bar { bar} }; "foofoobarfoo" ~~ /<G::TOP>/; say +$/<G::TOP><token> | ||
p6eval | rakudo 36065: OUTPUT«4» | ||
masak | moritz_++ # thanks | ||
moritz_ | [particle]: sorry, mis-remebered. 23 per day, 700 per month | 21:57 | |
jnthn | That sounds more realistic! | ||
[particle] | wow. 700/mo | ||
masak | still very good, though. | 21:58 | |
jnthn | But still, quite an achievement. | ||
[particle] | yep | ||
jnthn hopes we can keep it up | 21:59 | ||
masak | based on the current look of the spectest graph, if we _do_ keep it up, we'll run out of spectests in late May. | 22:04 | |
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jnthn | masak: You're assuming that there won't be any new spectests. | 22:05 | |
moritz_ | masak: ... which is why I struggle so badly to get new people involved with testing | ||
masak | jnthn: yes. or rather, not enough. | ||
jnthn | masak: For parametric roles, there were few existing tests to draw on. | 22:06 | |
So I had to write a bunch of new one. | |||
So that work mostly ended up with new spectests rather than getting existing ones passing. | |||
moritz_ | jnthn: that's sadly a fair assumption. The number or really new tests (not moved tests) isn't all that big. Your parameterized roles stuff is a notable exception of that rule | ||
masak | jnthn: still, did you write 70 a day? | ||
jnthn | Junction auto-threading was a similar case. | ||
moritz_ | jnthn: speaking of which... do you know if we have any tests for threading over the invocant? | 22:07 | |
jnthn | I doubt I wrote 70 a day. Maybe one day... | ||
masak | on _average_ :) | ||
jnthn | moritz_: as in, $a.foo when $a is a junction? | ||
moritz_ | jnthn: that's what I mean, yes | ||
jnthn | moritz_: Gah. I'm still not 100% clear on what the spec is. | ||
moritz_ | jnthn: TimToady says "autothread over any method not defined in Junction" | 22:08 | |
jnthn | masak: Of course not. The point was just that, while sometimes making something new work results in an un-fudge, some of the time I end up adding more tests. | ||
moritz_ | jnthn: it works, I tested it with an rakudo: one-line | ||
jnthn | moritz_: It works? Wow. | ||
moritz_ | one-liner, that is | ||
rakudo: class A { method b { say (1..10).pick } }; (A.new, A.new, A.new).b | 22:09 | ||
p6eval | rakudo 36065: OUTPUT«Method 'b' not found for invocant of class 'List'current instr.: 'parrot;P6metaclass;dispatch' pc 287 (src/classes/ClassHOW.pir:145)» | ||
moritz_ | rakudo: class A { method b { say (1..10).pick } }; any(A.new, A.new, A.new).b | ||
p6eval | rakudo 36065: OUTPUT«Could not locate a method 'b' to invoke on class 'Junction'.current instr.: 'die' pc 16767 (src/builtins/control.pir:204)» | ||
masak | jnthn: point taken. such additions will postpone the 'late May' date, but not by very much. the spectests will eventually run out. | ||
moritz_ | uhm. | ||
masak | rakudobug? | ||
moritz_ | jnthn: seems I was temporarily insane when I thought it worked | ||
masak: if you please ;-) | |||
jnthn | moritz_: OK, it was either you or me. ;-) | ||
masak submits | |||
jnthn | moritz_: I *think* that once we are putting the correct invocant type into the signature, it *should* just fall out of what we already have... | 22:10 | |
Since methods inside Junction will match on the invocant type...and the rest won't and will just trigger the auto-threader. | 22:11 | ||
The lack of invocant type checking is a bug anyway. Just not worked out the Right Way to fix it yet. | |||
pugs_svn | r25072 | masak++ | [u4x/TODO] added term 'autothreading' | 22:12 | |
masak | rakudo: grammar Tokenizer { regex TOP { ^ <token>* $ }; regex token { <foo> | <bar> }; regex foo { foo }; regex bar { bar } }; "foobar" ~~ /<Tokenizer::TOP>/ or die "AOUCH"; $/ := $<Tokenizer::TOP>; .say for $<tokens> | 22:16 | |
p6eval | rakudo 36065: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value» | ||
masak | what am I doing wrong? I want a list of tokens, i.e. "foo\nbar\n" | ||
moritz_ | try @( $<tokens> ) | 22:17 | |
masak | nope, no luck. | ||
$<tokens> is actually undefined. | |||
Failure. | |||
PerlJam | there is no "tokens" that I can see. | ||
just "token" | |||
moritz_ | ah, $<token> | ||
masak | PerlJam: thank you. | ||
masak is blind and shouldn't code | 22:18 | ||
PerlJam | It's just a brain-eye disconnect that happens sometimes | ||
masak | rakudo: grammar Tokenizer { regex TOP { ^ <token>* $ }; regex token { <foo> | <bar> }; regex foo { foo }; regex bar { bar } }; "foobar" ~~ /<Tokenizer::TOP>/ or die "AOUCH"; $/ := $<Tokenizer::TOP>; .say for $<token> | ||
p6eval | rakudo 36066: OUTPUT«Method 'say' not found for invocant of class 'Tokenizer'current instr.: 'parrot;P6metaclass;dispatch' pc 287 (src/classes/ClassHOW.pir:145)» | ||
masak | WTF? | ||
did I call .say on a Tokenizer? | |||
moritz_ | masak: the things in $<token>[0] are also Match objects... | 22:19 | |
masak | but hardly Tokenizer objects, right? | ||
moritz_ | masak: which by a bug you reported early are reported as of class Tokenizer, wrongl so | ||
PerlJam | surely that's the same ... right | ||
masak | it feels like the same bug, yes. | ||
PerlJam | G.parse makes $/ a G instead of a Match | ||
moritz_ | rakudo: ("a" ~~ /a/).say | 22:20 | |
p6eval | rakudo 36066: OUTPUT«a» | ||
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masak | ok, heading home to sleep. | 22:26 | |
Rakudo has too many bugs right now, if y'ask me. :/ | |||
'cetere censeo...' | 22:27 | ||
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moritz_ | si tacuisses, philosophus... | 22:27 | |
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moritz_ | perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-6/rakudo-rocks.html | 22:39 | |
PerlJam | neat | 22:40 | |
moritz_ | I wanted to add something about how Rakudo is at least as good as git and Obama together, but I forgot it, and safe it for another post | 22:41 | |
PerlJam | I don't recall rakudo saying "Yes We Can" nor do I recall it being a force of "Change" :) | 22:43 | |
moritz_ | I didn't say it did the same, just that it's at least as good ;-) | ||
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