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Wolfman2000 frew: unsure which nick you are using right now, but...need a Google Wave invite? 00:53
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sjohnson Wolfman2000: someone said you can use that to do collaborative editing which is kinda cool 01:07
that technology with vim would be pretty cool
Wolfman2000 sjohnson: Yep. That's what some of us did with one of my perl files up on the Wave.
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Wolfman2000 ...ugh, I'm not using Google Wave with vim. Or emac.s 01:07
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sjohnson Wolfman2000: are you forced to use their web based text editor when doing that sort of thing? 01:08
frew_ Wolfman2000: if you've still got one sure!
Wolfman2000 frew_: I do. hang on, and give me your email
frew_ Wolfman2000: [email@hidden.address]
arnsholt sjohnson: You could try using vimperator? That should give you vim and Wave =)
frew_ sjohnson: I like the "It's All Text" add on 01:09
it lets me use gvim for text fields I want to do serious editing with
Wolfman2000 arnsholt: I don't want to use vim
Perhaps that wasn't made clear.
arnsholt Wolfman2000: I understood that. But I think sjohnson wanted to 01:10
Wolfman2000 I wonder if the green dots on Google Wave mean they are online
frew_ what do people here use for persistent IRC connections? 01:11
I think a linnode would be way too expensive for that
but Dreamhost doesn't seem like it would be fast enough or whatever 01:12
Wolfman2000 frew_: your invite will come soon...hopefully 01:13
frew_ sweet, thanks :-) 01:14
Tene frew_: just screen+irssi 01:20
colomon phenny: tell masak Instead of the work-around Rank.pick(*) -> $rank, how about just @cards.map *.rank -> $rank ?/
phenny colomon: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
sjohnson thanks arnsholt 01:21
frew_: gnu screen + weechat :)
frew_: members.shaw.ca/smujohnson/img/weec...enshot.png 01:22
Tene frew_: I keep my irc client running on a friend's openhosting box that he already had up to host a website. Several people here run IRC on feather, iirc. 01:23
Mostly, ask around among your acquaintences to see if any of them have a server you could have a shell on.
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colomon phenny: tell masak or better yet @cards>>.rank -> $rank 02:44
phenny colomon: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
Wolfman2000 ...yeah, still bewildered at the amount of ops today. I wonder if they are all needed. 02:53
Anyway...time to enter the Perl 5 zone should I need help with more of our hopeful eventual Perl 6 Pastebin. With luck, I won't be run out.
frew_ Tene: that's what I should do... 02:59
Wolfman2000 frew_: I believe I gave you the URL of my github pastebin project. I'm awaiting your criticism when you can give it. 03:07
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Khisanth frew_: not fast enough for IRC?! O_o 03:27
56k was more than enough ...
frew_ Wolfman2000: I looked through it a little, but not a lot 03:29
Wolfman2000: I'll certainly let you know though
Wolfman2000 gotcha. also, soon asking a question in the dbic room
frew_ Wolfman2000: the one thing I will say now though is that you have a really long method in one of the controllers I looked at
I try to keep it under 20 lines generally 03:30
I'll hop in there :-)
Wolfman2000 frew_: Some of the subs are hard to keep under 20.
frew_ I know, especially when you are generating html
Wolfman2000 frew_: Now, if I can understand how to have actual ResultSets and call upon them that way, that would reduce some line clutter. 03:31
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Wolfman2000 But some subs will just have to be above your recommended limit. 03:32
frew_ heh
well, I'd also say that your variable names are a little weird, being camel case and using abbreviations
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Khisanth add some underscores for full coverage! 03:35
$foo_Br :)
frew_ Khisanth: close, but not perfect
this is what I've seen:
$Foo_Br 03:36
but of course that's never consistent :-)
Khisanth find variable naming to be the hardest part of programming
Khisanth wonders if writers have the same issue with character names
frew_ I bet they do
but they can't reduce scope as much as we can 03:37
mdxi i really don't like the "less than x lines" thing. i take more of a toolkit view: a method/sub should do one thing. if i notive it doing more than one thing, or doing something repeatedly, i know it's time to split.
Khisanth they can if it's sci-fi
mdxi going by line count just seems like a bad way to make decisions.
frew_ mdxi: that's fine, but I'd say his controller method does more than it should
way more
Khisanth maybe that is where all those unpronounceable names come from :)
frew_ it does model code
Khisanth: heh, maybe? 03:38
oh!
I'm readin Arabian Nights and they actually do it in those!
because all the stories are told in other stories which are in turn told in other stories
Khisanth abbreviated names?
frew_ so far it's only 3 deep
no, scope :-)
Wolfman2000 Khisanth: I have to admit...I'm kind of surprised to see you here. Didn't know you were into Perl 6 03:46
Khisanth I am in #lisp, #scheme, #haskell too ;) 03:52
Wolfman2000 Can't say I'm into those languages 03:54
quantumEd Perl 6 = Lisp * Scheme * Haskell * <everything else too> 03:55
(+ infinitely other terms)
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diakopter i see 04:47
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diakopter std: say::(say 6) 05:06
p6eval std 29203: ok 00:01 103m␤
diakopter rakudo: say::(say 6)
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: invoke() not implemented in class 'Undef'␤in Main (file <unknown>, line <unknown>)␤
diakopter pugs: say::(say 6)
p6eval pugs: *** ␤ Unexpected "say"␤ expecting program␤ at /tmp/eQls0BPPRH line 1, column 1␤
Wolfman2000 someone want to remind me how many versions of Perl 6 there are? 05:07
Tene Wolfman2000: One. You mean implementations?
Wolfman2000 Tene: yes
Tene Ah. No idea.
diakopter Wolfman2000: perl6.org/compilers/ 05:09
Wolfman2000 diakopter: I thought there was something else being done with javascript besides Sprixel. Or is what I was seeing one and the same? 05:16
diakopter two others, actually 05:20
that page needs amended
sprixel is mine..
pmurias is writing mildew-js
(same as mildew as listed on that page, except targeting JS on V8 (and the browsers))
Tene pugs had a js backend at one point. 05:21
diakopter also, flavio glock has compiled his P6-ish compiler to JS..
also, what Tene said
Wolfman2000: (Perlito is the name of fglock's) 05:22
so yes, there are several
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diakopter Wolfman2000: fglock's Perlito grew out of KindaPerl6 & MostlyPerl6 & what was called v6-alpha (v6.pm) 05:24
afaik. 05:25
Wolfman2000 ...okay, slight implementation overload
diakopter heh 05:26
oh, Pugs::Compiler::Rule stopped working on perl 5.11.1,2 sez the matrix.cpantesters 05:27
b/c of Data::Dumper output format changes...! 05:28
interesting
mberends good morning, what does the V in VAST stand for? 05:47
(guessing viv, but that's not intuitive) 05:48
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diakopter mberends: not viv 06:34
mberends thanks, the search for VAST on irclog turned up nothing useful, and the glossary on perlfoundation.org has an empty entry :( 06:38
diakopter mberends: how are you
it might derive from the same as the 'viv' acronym, though
V for 5
mberends diakopter: very well, going to a big (vast) computer fair today
diakopter: understood, it's a bit of a lame name 06:39
diakopter I think it's meant to be a descriptive name 06:43
mberends it does distinguish viv's AST from any other AST, so, yeah, ok 06:44
sjohnson y0 06:45
mberends g'day
sjohnson how's it going guys? 06:48
mberends good, debugging some C lately. (wrote == instead of =, took 3 days to find ;) 06:49
needle <<<<< haystack 06:50
TDD rescued the work. TDD++ 06:52
diakopter reads about parallel nfa 06:57
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sjohnson perl6: question. if you do a s///e command on a pop(@array), if the array has nothing to pop, will the s/// fail, in terms of s/// or die 07:37
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: Confused at line 2, near ". if you "␤in Main (file <unknown>, line <unknown>)␤
..elf 29203: Parse error in: /tmp/rW94P8SuUH␤panic at line 1 column 0 (pos 0): Can't understand next input--giving up␤WHERE: question. if you do a s///e c␤WHERE:/\<-- HERE␤ STD_red/prelude.rb:99:in `panic'␤ STD_red/std.rb:76:in `scan_unitstopper'␤ STD_red/std.rb:224:in `comp_unit'␤
..STD_red/std.rb…
..pugs: *** ␤ Unexpected " if"␤ expecting ".", "\187", ">>", "=", "^", operator name, qualified identifier, variable name, "...", "--", "++", "i", array subscript, hash subscript or code subscript␤ at /tmp/xHRPnKepnd line 1, column 10␤
sjohnson oops 07:43
i didn't mean to get the compiler involved
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diakopter that's what he said 07:47
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zaslon lolmasakhazblogged! masak++ 'November 27 2009 -- straight towards the surface': use.perl.org/~masak/journal/39956?from=rss 08:05
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mberends afk & # www.hccdagen.nl/ 08:22
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sjohnson emergency perl 5 question: 09:22
how can you return the last/first value, without pop/shifting it
well, end i suppose would be more important to know than the @a[0] part
（´ー｀　）
Su-Shee sjohnson: $foo = $arr[-1] and $arr[0]
sjohnson thank you 09:23
you can do that in p5? *dumbfounded stupid look on face*
Su-Shee aeh...
sjohnson thank you
pnate i had no idea about -1 09:35
i always used [$#arr] 09:36
guess idling in this channel paid off for my perl 5 programming too! 09:37
vamped but in P6 it's @arr[*-1], right? 09:38
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sjohnson pnate++ # agreed 10:07
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pmurias perl6: say 123.WHAT 10:10
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: Int()␤
..elf 29203, pugs: Int␤
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pmurias perl6: say 123.7.WHAT 10:10
p6eval pugs: Rat␤
..rakudo 7347ec: Num()␤
..elf 29203: Num␤
pmurias rakudo is incorrect here 10:11
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masak oh hai 11:09
phenny masak: 01:20Z <colomon> tell masak Instead of the work-around Rank.pick(*) -> $rank, how about just @cards.map *.rank -> $rank ?/
masak: 02:44Z <colomon> tell masak or better yet @cards>>.rank -> $rank
masak colomon: good idea. @cards>>.rank.uniq, perhaps. 11:10
masak directs people's attention towards perlmonks.org/?node_id=809868 11:11
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frettled *WOOSH* - *attention shift* 11:33
11:34 frettled sets mode: +o masak
colomon masak: Thought of adding the .uniq after I went to bed, not sure if it's worth the extra overhead or not. Ooooo, though I guess you definitely need it in TwoPair. 11:36
masak yes. 11:37
I wrote my version of a reply to the PerlMonks node. perlmonks.org/?node_id=809872
others are welcome to chip in with their versions. 11:38
I need to go offline soon. I'm sitting in a lecture hall, and my battery is running out.
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sjohnson colomon: uniq is a big deal 11:58
one of my favourite Perl to-be functions
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Su-Shee we could offer a "adopt a function" sponsoring program.. ;) 11:59
colomon it's not even written properly yet! :)
sjohnson colomon: i thought it worked fine 12:02
rakudo: say <1 2 3 4 5 3 2 4 1 3>.uniq.sort
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: 12345␤
sjohnson i suppose i didnt need that sort, but still !
colomon sjohnson: as written currently, it uses a double loop. very inefficient. also not lazy. 12:06
boy awake, afk for a bit. 12:07
sjohnson thanks colomon
<--- wasn't aware :[
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colomon also, uniq isn't actually spec'd yet, unless it has been since the last time I looked for it. :) 12:16
"Write new uniq" has been on my todo list for about a month. ;) 12:17
jnthn o/ 12:25
colomon \o 12:27
jnthn: Do I vaguely recall some talk that Set should be taken out of p6? 12:28
colomon reflects that his question is kind of oddly phrased.... 12:32
jnthn colomon: I don't remember either way... 12:35
colomon: There's still references to it in S02. 12:36
colomon It's still in S32-Containers, too. 12:37
Oooo, Set's not supposed to be mutable. So much for that notion. 12:38
I must admit that looking over the Container types, I don't _get_ them yet. 12:39
"A KeyHash automatically deletes any key whose value goes false." ?????? 12:40
I guess that makes sense for KeySet and KeyBag, but it seems weird for a more generic hash. 12:42
Actually, I guess what strikes me as odd here is KeySet is the mutable version of Set, but KeyHash and Hash are both mutable, and (as far as I can tell) only differ by what happens when you set a hash value to something false. 12:47
rakudo: say Hash.new.WHAT
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: Hash()␤ 12:48
colomon oooooooo
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diakopter ihih 12:52
rakudo: say 123.7.WHAT
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: Num()␤
diakopter rakudo: say (123.7).WHAT
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: Num()␤ 12:53
colomon ng: say (123.7).WHAT
p6eval ng b155b4: Rat()␤
sjohnson what is ng? 12:57
colomon rakudo _n_ext _g_eneration 12:58
it's what jnthn and pmichaud have been working on for the last month.
it does a lot of basic stuff more correctly than rakudo does, but much of the advanced stuff isn't there at all yet.
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lisppaste3 colomon pasted "Quick breakfast-time implementation of uniq as a sub" at paste.lisp.org/display/91196 13:02
colomon The unless condition should probably use :exists, but that's NYI in rakudo. And maybe the $set argument should be "is rw"? 13:03
But it's a single loop version, and as soon as gather / take is lazy, it will be too.
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Wolfman2000 *yawn* morning 14:03
JimmyZ Wolfman2000: morning 14:04
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carlin rakudo: sub foo(Str $s, Str %h?) {}; foo('bar', { baz => 'quux' }); 14:10
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ( no output )
carlin rakudo: say 1
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: 1␤
carlin rakudo: sub foo(Str $s, Str %h?) {}; foo('bar', { baz => 'quux' });
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ( no output ) 14:11
carlin rakudo: sub foo(Str $s) { }; foo('bar');
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ( no output )
carlin rakudo: sub foo(Str $s, Str %h?) {}; foo('bar', { baz => 'quux' }); say 'alive'; 14:12
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ( no output )
carlin rakudo: sub foo(Str $s) {}; foo('bar'); say 'alive'; 14:15
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: alive␤
Wolfman2000 carlin: what's the point of testing rakudo subs if they aren't...well, being used?
carlin Wolfman2000: On my box the first one I tried to test explodes but p6eval is timing out or something I think 14:16
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lisppaste3 carlin pasted "Asking for a hash of strings" at paste.lisp.org/display/91199 14:25
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jnthn carlin: You need to declare a hash of strings explicitly. 14:26
carlin: Just having a hash whose values all happen to be strings isn't enoguh.
carlin jnthn: oh right, thanks 14:28
jnthn: but the error is a bit of a WTF though
pmichaud good morning, #perl6
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jnthn carlin: Yes, that look slike a bug. 14:31
pmichaud: morning
Wolfman2000 jnthn: I believe you often work with STD.pm, right? 14:32
jnthn Wolfman2000: I often read STD. 14:33
Wolfman2000: I've only used it through the bot here on channel.
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lisppaste3 Wolfman2000 pasted "My compiling of STD.pm for Perl 5 use. Got some interesting warnings here..." at paste.lisp.org/display/91200 14:38
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zaslon lolmasakhazblogged! masak++ 'November 28 2009 -- do you want enfranchisement with that?': use.perl.org/~masak/journal/39958?from=rss 14:59
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jnthn Mmm...enfranchisement sounds tasty. 15:01
Wolfman2000 Well, got more github pastebin work taken care of this morning...I can possibly do a bit more work now that the Perl 5 people are at least being sociable enough. 15:03
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carlin Hmm, masak's historical fact was interesting because that wasn't mentioned on the news here or anything 15:19
carlin would have liked a national holiday for that :-)
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Wolfman2000 ...isn't masak supposed to be asleep right now? 15:28
jnthn Wolfman2000: I'd hope not, it's only 4:30pm ;-)
Wolfman2000 ...right. time zones.
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Wolfman2000 I'll be back later...the laptop is needed for errands. 16:53
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pmurias diakopter: did you get V8.pm to run on windows? 17:31
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colomon rakudo: my %hash = (a => 1, b => 3); %hash>>.key>>.say 17:49
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ( no output ) 17:50
colomon rakudo: my %hash = (a => 1, b => 3); %hash.keys>>.say
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ( no output )
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colomon rakudo: my %hash = (a => 1, b => 3); for %hash.keys { .say } 17:52
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ( no output ) 17:53
colomon huh.
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colomon rakudo: my $a = lazy => Sunday; say $a 18:14
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: Could not find non-existent sub Sunday␤in Main (file src/gen_setting.pm, line 324)␤
colomon rakudo: my $a = lazy => "Sunday"; say $a
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: lazy Sunday␤ 18:15
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Tene rakudo: my $a = lazy => Boomtime; say $a 18:15
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: Could not find non-existent sub Boomtime␤in Main (file src/gen_setting.pm, line 324)␤
colomon rakudo: my $a = lazy => "Sunday"; say $a; $a.value = "afternoon"; say $a; 18:16
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: lazy Sunday␤lazy afternoon␤
jnthn wtf...isn't it Saturday?
colomon Pair is mutable, then
jnthn oh, phew...
:-)
jnthn thought he'd missed a day there or something... 18:17
colomon jnthn: Yes, but I'm listening to Queen.
jnthn colomon: It appears that Rakudo has it that way...
colomon Is it not supposed to be?
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jnthn colomon: It's mant to be mutable. PairVal is the immutable version. 18:18
*ment
*meant
colomon danke 18:21
my next test:
rakudo: my @a = (1,2); @a.push: 10; say @a.perl
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: [1, 2, 10]␤ 18:22
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colomon rakudo: my $a = lazing => <On A Sunday>; say $a.perl; 18:48
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: "lazing" => ["On", "A", "Sunday"]␤
colomon rakudo: my $a = lazing => <On A Sunday>; say $a.perl; $a.value.push("Afternoon"); say $a.perl;
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: "lazing" => ["On", "A", "Sunday"]␤"lazing" => ["On", "A", "Sunday", "Afternoon"]␤ 18:49
colomon I must be doing something exceedingly stupid on my real code, but I can't see it.
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pugs_svn r29204 | lwall++ | [S12] major rethink of enums, which are no longer roles (but may still imply them) 20:57
r29204 | Enum types now supply an explicit .mapping method for masak++
r29204 | Got rid of stupid translation methods in favor of just using .mapping variants.
r29204 | (kept normal coercion syntax where it makes sense, though)
TimToady jnthn: see ☝ 20:58
jnthn TimToady: \o/
TimToady: Thanks, will take a look over it. 20:59
TimToady: Glad I pestered you about this before we got to them in ng. :-)
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TimToady jnthn++ for pesteration 21:01
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mberends masak++ for the use cases 21:03
TimToady++ for the rethink
jnthn TimToady: "an undefined type object" - any particular reason "undefined" features in that sentence?
TimToady: As in, type objects are generally undefined anyway. 21:04
heh 21:06
$x does Has[Day, '$.Day', (:rw), { Tue }];
Cute!
It's like lolspeak
pugs_svn r29205 | lwall++ | [S03,S04] more treatment of .true as highlevel, .Bool as lowlevel 21:07
mberends $x can haz[ ... ]; 21:08
TimToady "undefined" is not meant to be a restrictive adjective :)
$x can Haz[Cheezburger]
jnthn multi infix:<can>(\$lhs, \$rhs) { $lhs does $rhs } 21:09
TimToady: It looks more sane than the previous spec, at first read-through.
TimToady yes, I think it was a mistake to confuse enums directly with roles 21:10
distinguishing them allows us to distinguish things that do Boolean with their own .Bool method from things that get a .Bool method via mixin of a $.Bool attribute 21:12
so now most of the type behavior more or less falls out naturally 21:13
making an enum function as a subset is perhaps still a bit forced
jnthn Yeah...
I think "it's a package of constants" works quite nicely. 21:14
And that role creation from that is something does/but worry about.
TimToady but I think Day.ACCEPTS just does a $arg ~~ Day.mapping.values.any 21:15
or some such
jnthn yes.
TimToady yes, I thought does/but could stant to be that one level of dwimmy
as long as the arg comes in with sufficient type info
jnthn Do we have a way to identify enums generally?
Then it's just a multi candidate. 21:16
multi infix:<does>(\$thingy, EnumValue $val) { ... }
TimToady does Enumeration maybe
jnthn Yeah
With something like that, I'm starting to see how we can actually implement it in Perl 6. 21:17
TimToady the duck typing answer is that .WHAT.mapping returns something :)
yeah, tried not to put anything in that I could at least think of an implementation story 21:18
and adding .mapping really simplifies a lot of other things
jnthn We are *not* doing the duck typing! :P
:-)
TimToady unless someone says 'use DUCK_TYPING;' and then we all duck
jnthn Yes, .mapping makes...a lot...of problems jsut go away. 21:19
But not problems with typing "just" correctly...
mberends jnthn: JFTI
TimToady well, we need something to keep our collective back-patting arm from going out of joint :)
jnthn mberends: IT! 21:20
mberends :)
TimToady You too could be an IT engineer!
jnthn TimToady: Anyways, I'll give implementing this a crack next week or so. :-)
I wonder how much of it I can actually write in NQP, or Perl 6. :-)
jnthn is into that these days 21:21
TimToady
.oO(so much for working on LTM this weekend... :)
jnthn My eventual goal is to have things like ClassHOW and RoleHOW written in NQP.
And really have the underlying VM just provide some very simple-ish primitives. 21:22
TimToady my eventual goal is to have *everything* written in Perl 6...but you knew that already...
jnthn Well, there's eventual and eventual. :-)
mberends ...all the way down? 21:23
jnthn My eventual for this is potentially before the year ends, because it probably matters for Other Things I'd like to start hacking on after ng.
TimToady mberends: yes, verilog better watch out :) 21:24
not to mention QM...
jnthn my Str $theory 21:25
mberends :) that's ALL the way down, yes
TimToady funny that we have a reality inversion in Perl 6. quantum operations are high-level, while low-level ones like .Bool are classical...
lunch & 21:28
colomon jnthn: oddly enough, all this chatting went on while I was out talking a walk with my boy asleep in the stroller. While out there, I was pondering was a bad idea it was to change things in ng right now, because of the requirement of sharing spectest with master. 21:30
I was specifically thinking of moving TrigBase over to the proper enum, but I think it applies generally, too. 21:31
jnthn colomon: Yes, the spectests are a bit of a challenge in that aspect. 21:33
colomon I guess we could temporarily branch them... 21:34
mberends colomon: agreed, breaking master (even just its testing) would be bad
jnthn Thing is, in a sense we don't really *need* the tests for master that much at the moment because there's not much active development there... 21:35
...I guess it may be possible to argue that if a test file has to change in a way that would cause it to fail in master, but in the interest of correctness, we just comment it out in master's spectest.data...
colomon I'm really inclined to think branching spectest is the way to go. 21:36
At least, if you're serious about making ng behave differently than master, instead of just being a better implementation of the exact same spec.
jnthn In general in the past, we've gone with "the tests reflect current spec"
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jnthn That's why Rakudo regressed on the tests for "is also" when the spec changed to wanting augment. 21:37
Coke hio. is 'delete' in P6? (and then, is it in NQP?)
jnthn IIRC, delete is adverbial in Perl 6... 21:38
$foo[42] :delete;
or some such.
But that's NYI.
Coke ok. will just drop down to PIR then. danke.
jnthn (In Rakudo, let alone NQP. Actually at the base of this is a lack of adverb parsing just yet.)
colomon jnthn: but that's basically abandoning master completely. I know that's the medium term goal, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea today without ng able to replace it. 21:39
jnthn colomon: How many tests are we talking about here though? I mean, from wht you said in this case, it's just the trig tests, no?
colomon For that particular example, yes. (of course, that's like 10,000 tests!) 21:40
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jnthn Well yes, that's mostly 'cus trig is incredibly well tested compared to many other bits of Rakudo. :-) 21:40
But I see the issue.
colomon we're already having issues in master with the Mu change.
jnthn Sure - again though, the principle has been "the spec tests reflect spec". 21:41
mberends otoh, the urgency of testing that much trig in ng is rather low
jnthn I guess there's competing requirements here. :-)
If we're going to branch the spectest suite, my suggestion is that it's Rakudo master that looks at the branch. 21:42
Or tag.
colomon The other thing that branching spectest would do is let us start fudging tests that don't work in ng.
jnthn And trunk is tests as conforming to spec.
colomon Tag seems like a fine idea, actually!
We could just rewind master's tests to a happy pre-Mu state and then go to town making the spectests reflect the latest and greatest AND what works on ng. 21:43
jnthn That feels More Right to me.
colomon Anyone else we need to sign on to this crazy idea before jumping out and doing it? ;) 21:44
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jnthn Forgiveness...permission... ;-) 21:46
colomon I'm on it, then. ;)
TimToady is still at lunch
jnthn TimToady can forgive us after his lunch :-)
colomon while I'm running svn log, do you have a name suggestion for the tag? 21:48
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colomon oh wait, voice of sanity... run spectest on your quadcore, not on the laptop! 21:49
jnthn colomon: I'm awful at naming things. 21:50
colomon okay, quadcore running spectest against -r29189 21:51
pre-ng-master-freeze ?
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jnthn It'd include rakudo in the name somewhere I guess. 21:52
colomon pre-ng-rakudo-freeze
jnthn Something like that :-)
colomon ack, may take a while to pin down the best revision to use. 21:54
ah, but on the other hand, with this decided, there's nothing to stop us going crazy with the mainline spectests.
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colomon doh! 22:40
make spectest does svn update automatically. So svn update -rXXXX gets cancelled as soon as you run spectest. sigh. 22:41
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Wolfman2000 *yawn* afternoon. what's going on...is Mu going away? 22:44
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diakopter hi 23:30
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diakopter TimToady: parallel nfa question: 23:38
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