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dalek rlito: 7b453fd | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (5 files):
Perlito5 - fix statement modifiers
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dalek rlito: 896a405 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (3 files):
Perlito5 - js - emitter cleanup
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Mouq r: my \| = "test" 05:05
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/HlcmJ7Xd2G␤Malformed my␤at /tmp/HlcmJ7Xd2G:1␤------> my ⏏\| = "test"␤ expecting any of:␤ scoped declarator␤» 05:06
Mouq std: my \| = "test"
camelia std 7c17586: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Malformed my at /tmp/8xGB15BKHv line 1:␤------> my ⏏\| = "test"␤ expecting any of:␤ name␤ scoped declarator␤ statement end␤ statement list␤Parse failed␤FAILED 00:01 41m␤»
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Mouq r: $*PID++; say $*PID # Hmm 05:37
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«8494␤»
Mouq r: say $*PID++; say $*PID # Hmm
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«8499␤8500␤»
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diakopter Mouq: :) 06:19
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qiyong rakudo is a compiler and interpreter? 07:05
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moritz qiyong: didn't we discuss this topic this week already? 07:07
qiyong moritz: no 07:08
i was told rakudo is a compiler
i wonder if it's a interpreter too
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moritz qiyong: the lines between compiler and interpreter are somewhat blurry 07:10
FROGGS I was about to ask what the difference is
morning btw
moritz in the very early days, interpreters would only parse the code as they executed it
FROGGS moritz: somewhat like php? 07:11
moritz in that sense, rakudo isn't an interpreter. It compiles the whole source code to an AST, compiles that AST to bytecode, and runs the bytecode
FROGGS: I have no idea how PHP works or worked
TCL was a classical example
FROGGS well, hmm
qiyong i typed perl6 and got a prompt
what is it waiting now? 07:12
moritz on the other hand, users tend to think of programs as interpreters when they don't need seprate compile and execute steps. In that sense, rakudo is an interpreter
qiyong: code
FROGGS forget about php, I was thinking it only compiles the current file, but I was mising it up since php only has `require`, not use
arnsholt qiyong: That's the REPL, it's for quickly testing and prototyping things 07:13
FROGGS qiyong: it offers an interactive shell if you dont give it a script to execute
qiyong repl? 07:14
FROGGS read–eval–print loop (REPL)
bonsaikitten TCL is the classical example of an interpreter
qiyong p5, p6, which is easier to use?
bonsaikitten iirc php already "compiles" to bytecode (like python and java and most others)
FROGGS I'd say P6
because it is a bit saner than P5
bonsaikitten in terms of documentation / tutorials / ... P5 should be easier to access 07:15
FROGGS the programming language that is
if you talk about which do I might have on my box already (or a foreign box), then it is clearly P5
qiyong so all new projects should choose p6
FROGGS depends on the task 07:16
that is, you should always think about which programming language to choose for what purpose
qiyong what python is good at and perl not? 07:17
and vice verse
FROGGS I probably would use P5 for a cronjob oneliner...
qiyong: you might want to ask masak or tadzik about that, since I know nothing about python 07:18
*lol* </insider>
qiyong FROGGS: what else do you know? besides perl
FROGGS C, PHP, JavaScript, TurboPascal
hmmm
C++ ten years ago 07:19
qiyong TurboPascal is dead
JimmyZ guesses qiyong is a student
FROGGS I still know it :o)
qiyong JimmyZ: pourquoi
FROGGS: do you use it?
FROGGS no
ahh, and I'm forced to know and use VBA
and btw, I didn't say HTML because it is not a programing language </rage> 07:20
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qiyong what about HTML5? 07:21
FROGGS had no time/interest to get in touch with it yet
qiyong for a modern website project, what framework is good ? 07:22
python's, ruby's perl's?
tadzik oh, the compiler/interpreter problem
always so much fun
I don't think any alive language still uses an interpreter, so I'd say the term needs a redefinition of sorts 07:23
or at least for a purpose of all those discussions
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FROGGS qiyong: the one that fits your needs and the one you like/understand most 07:23
qiyong suppose i know non of them 07:24
FROGGS qiyong: just read an introduction to the popular ones of each language and look at the feature matrix
JimmyZ MoarVM use an interpreter, there is an interp.c file
:P
FROGGS :P
qiyong are perl sites still populer?
tadzik at some point you always have an interpreter, even if it's in the CPU :)
moritz qiyong: seems like. bbc.co.uk for example. Or booking.com 07:25
JimmyZ and ticketmaster.com 07:26
qiyong moritz: how do you know bbc uses perl?
FROGGS this is what I call user-friendly btw: www.template-toolkit.org/
(the website itself)
mathw writes sites in Perl, occasionally
I don't really have a favourite language for it, as all the ones I've done serious work in have their own advantages and their own problems 07:29
moritz qiyong: a rather prominent figure from the perl community worked for the BBC on their website
mathw Lovefilm was all in Perl at one point, not sure about now but I was offered a job interview there as a Perl dev and told that their whole backend, warehousing, website and everything was Perl at the time.
Of course the recruiter might have been lying, they do that sometimes. 07:30
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bonsaikitten that company name is about as bad as it gets :) 07:32
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bonsaikitten took a while to realize that they are not, as the name suggests, erm, 'adult' material 07:32
moritz bonsaikitten: same here 07:33
tadzik you dirty minds, you
I just thought about Hippies
but speaking of which, youporn was running on Perl for quite a time
moritz and a newer cool but not quite so popular perl project: lacuna expanse 07:34
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qiyong is perl suitable for web2.0? 07:55
bonsaikitten of course
moritz is qiyong suitable for bullshit bingo?
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tadzik :) 08:00
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FROGGS qiyong: ooc, do you know what web2.0 is? 08:04
qiyong FROGGS: not quite
FROGGS qiyong: web2.0 basically reduces down to some javascript support of your web browser, it has not much to do with the server-side programming language 08:06
(web2.0 is just that you click something on a webpage, and due to some javascript magic you only fetch some data from the server and replace parts of the website's content for example) 08:08
dalek rlito: fa4c162 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (5 files):
Perlito5 - AST tweak - statement modifiers
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JimmyZ r: say "web1.0" ... "web9.0" 08:10
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«web1.0 web2.0 web3.0 web4.0 web5.0 web6.0 web7.0 web8.0 web9.0␤»
JimmyZ r: say "web1.0" ... "web10.0"
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
FROGGS r: say "web1.1" ... "web9.9" 08:11
JimmyZ r: say "web01.0" ... "web10.0"
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«web01.0 web02.0 web03.0 web04.0 web05.0 web06.0 web07.0 web08.0 web09.0 web10.0␤»
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tadzik JimmyZ the prophet 08:17
Web 2.0 = HTML5 - CSS3
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mathw web 2.0 = largely meaningless label 08:22
moritz just like "cloud"
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jnthn morning, #perl6 08:25
moritz \o jnthn 08:26
masak morning, #perl6! 08:27
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mathw moritz: just put it in the cloud, and we won't have to worry about it anymore! Set your data free! 08:29
jnthn
.oO( The best place to host a Web 2.0 app is in my butt... )
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moritz mathw: funny enought, my employer does "cloud" stuff too :-)
*enough
FROGGS moritz: exactly # cloud
hi jnthn, masak o/
jnthn: you make me post that link again? :P 08:31
jnthn FROGGS: aarrgh, no! 08:32
FROGGS *g* 08:33
masak jnthn: in your... WHAT WHAT?
FROGGS I've even seen the making of O.o
hehe
masak haha
mathw moritz: at my last job whenever we ran into some kind of problem with data storage we'd say "let's just put it in the cloud!", laugh, make a cup of tea and sit down with a giant sheet of paper and some pencils to come up witht he actual solution. Thus, an alien observing us would've concluded that "put it in the cloud!" means "let's discuss the problem over a cup of tea"
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FROGGS jnthn: what t-shirt size do you wear? (there might be sammy rockwell shirt available online as a gift) 08:34
shirts*
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FROGGS .oO( The Ghost-Shirt of Christmas' Future ) 08:35
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tadzik shame this song has almost no music, otherwise I'd learn to play it 08:35
FROGGS tadzik: sad that I am unable to play a resican flute 08:36
we could play a duet in a jeffey's tube otherwise
tadzik there can be only one 08:37
FROGGS jeffrey's*
tadzik oh yes, with the roll-up piano
FROGGS yeah
that song is le awesome
can you play it?
tadzik the Ressikan Flute? I don't think I ever tried
FROGGS I mean, I remember it was pretty simple
tadzik but I was actually inspired by that episode
"hey, Picard can improvise on a flute, I should be able to do that to" 08:38
FROGGS Picard++ # I love this "man"
tadzik and those tips that his crush (heh, almost Crusher) gives is, while it sounds obvious, is actually quite useful too
s/gives is/gives him/ 08:39
"play this and then start adding random notes when you feel like it"
FROGGS yeah
tadzik that both makes sense and works quite well
poor_soul r: class A {our constant b = 5;}; my A $a .= new; say A::b #This should work
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«5␤»
FROGGS I played guitar like 13 years ago, but I sold it unfortunately :/
poor_soul r: class A {our constant b = 5;}; my A $a .= new; say $a::b #Why this doesn't? 08:40
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
tadzik aw
I was never able to "feel" the guitar
I can play stuff from the notes, but not so much from my head, if you know what I mean
mathw had lute lessons for a short period
mathw also dabbles on the ukulele, but has never played a guitar
tadzik it works quite well for me with the piano or even the recorder (?)
no, not a recorder 08:41
harmonica, that's the wor
d
mathw mmm yes they're quite different
particularly in that I can play the one, but not the other :)
tadzik I used to play the recorder too :o
they taught us that in primary school
mathw me too
tadzik I wonder if they do that in every country
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mathw I've got a lesson tomorrow, need to practice 08:42
doing my grade 8 exam this year
tadzik I remember getting a 6 (the highest possible grade) for learning to play the Star Wars theme on it
mathw :)
nice
tadzik coincidentally, it was a year before I was sent to music school :)
I need to ask my parents if that was a coincidence
mathw I doubt it had absolutely nothing at all to do with it
in that it demonstrates some level of musical ability...
tadzik apparently 08:43
or at least some mana for it
mathw I think my highest musical achievement at school was learning to play the Wombles theme on the recorder 08:45
Wish I'd done more then, but the environment didn't really encourage it and I was very put off by an awful violin teacher, so I dropped music again until I was 23 or so. So glad I picked it up again... 08:46
tadzik story similar to mine 08:47
masak that awful violin teacher gets around.
tadzik I almost entirely stopped playing after finishing the music school, but I think that was mostly due to the fact that I was fed up with attending 2 schools at once
and now I'm 22 and I started to relearn things because I'm old enough to appreciate them 08:48
mathw yeah
masak: apparently. It's a shame, but at that time I did the violin because it was available, not because I particularly wanted to play it. I didn't know, then, about folk-style fiddle music 08:49
if someone had taught me that...
tadzik I had this thought "gee, I need some hobby/skill other than computers... oh wait, I *do* have some..."
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mathw these days I don't think I'll learn the violin. I consider it from time to time, but... time. I already play too many things. And I still don't have any bagpipes, or a nyckelharpa. 08:49
tadzik mathw: I often wonder how different my music education would be if someone showed me Tim Minchin and Richard Cheese instead of Mozart and Chopin 08:50
masak :) 08:51
tadzik if I knew that I can have fun myself, and not only amuse the audience. I was a bit too young to appreciate classical music back then
poor_soul is it ok for this to crash?
r: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { BEGIN for A.enums.kv -> $k, $v { our $k ::= $v }; }; say B.b
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Null PMC access in get_bool()␤»
tadzik certainly not in this way
masak poor_soul: certainly not ok. 08:52
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moritz tadzik: maybe www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ4ZNbiO15M will amuse you # Victor Borge, "A Mozart Opera"
jnthn Shouldn't crash, but I'm not sure I know what it should do either :-)
mathw "Null PMC access" is always a bug, IIRC
moritz overwriting B::k with each enum value in turn doesn't sound too useful 08:53
mathw: with one exception...
r: say nqp::null()
jnthn moritz: yes :)
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«(Mu)␤»
moritz oh
jnthn haha
moritz r: nqp::say(nqp::null())
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«Null PMC access in get_string()␤ in block at /tmp/SXa_pNMoV4:1␤␤»
mathw moritz: that... that doesn't count
jnthn It actually knows how to turn null => Mu in places, which makes it harder to get a NPMCA :)
poor_soul i was trying to find a way to declare constants in a class based on a enum
mathw you caused that one deliberately
jnthn poor_soul: Does declaring the enum in the class not do it? :) 08:54
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poor_soul jnthn: it does only partially, since if i want to use it, i need to put the name of the enum 08:54
masak r: enum A (a=>3); class B { BEGIN for A.enums {} } # golf'd 08:55
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Null PMC access in get_bool()␤»
jnthn r: class A { enum B <c d e>; method m() { say e } }; A.m
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«e␤»
jnthn r: class A { enum B <c d e>; method m() { say +e } }; A.m
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«2␤»
masak ooh, in fact...
r: enum A (a=>3); BEGIN for A.enums {}
jnthn Short names seem to work to me.
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Null PMC access in get_bool()␤»
jnthn r: enum A (a=>3); 08:56
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: ( no output )
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jnthn r: enum A (a=>3); BEGIN A.enums 08:56
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: ( no output )
jnthn r: enum A (a=>3); BEGIN A.enums.perl.say
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«("a" => 3).hash␤»
jnthn r: enum A (a=>3); BEGIN { for A.enums { }; 1 }
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: ( no output )
jnthn r: enum A (a=>3); BEGIN { for A.enums { } }
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: ( no output )
jnthn r: enum A (a=>3); BEGIN for A.enums { } 08:57
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Null PMC access in get_bool()␤»
jnthn wow...you need the blockless form to trigger it.
poor_soul basically, i would like to turn 'class B { enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1);}; say +B::a' in 'class B { enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1);}; say B.a' 08:58
moritz poor_soul: it won't work that way 08:59
poor_soul: because 'our' doesn't install methods
FROGGS yeah, I would suggest you work with public attributes
moritz or maybe don't mix up constants and methods 09:00
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poor_soul FROGGS: you're saying something like 'class B { our $.a ::= 3; our $.b ::= 10; our $.c ::= 1; }' ? 09:01
tadzik moritz: hahaha, that's awesome :D
FROGGS poor_soul: no, the keyword is 'has' 09:02
r: class B { has $.a = 3 }; say (my $b = B.new).a
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«3␤»
poor_soul FROGGS: that way $.a is not constant 09:03
jnthn That's kinda wasteful though, as you store the constants per instant.
FROGGS jnthn: just install more RAM then :o)
jnthn While B::a is clearly package scoped 09:04
There's no reason to make it B.a. Then you convey to the reader, "this is something that may vary per instance".
FROGGS well, you could add an accessor a that returns B::a 09:05
poor_soul jnthn: but i'm getting 'a' through the class type, not a class instanc
*instance 09:06
jnthn poor_soul: True, but the methods would work just fine on instances too...
poor_soul btw this doesn't work too 'class B { enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1);}; my $b = B.new; say $b::a'
r: class B { enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1);}; my $b = B.new; say $b::a
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
jnthn $b::a has nothing to do with the variable $b 09:07
masak rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=119749
jnthn It's the same as b::<$a>
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jnthn r: class B { enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1) }; say B::a 09:08
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«a␤»
jnthn r: class B { enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1) }; say +B::a
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«3␤»
jnthn Why not this? 09:09
poor_soul jnthn: that method i already knew
i just wanted to return directly th value
jnthn Then, why use an enum at all? 09:10
r: class B { constant \a = 3; }; say B::a
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/TcPFGgMLLY␤Missing initializer on constant declaration␤at /tmp/TcPFGgMLLY:1␤------> class B { constant ⏏\a = 3; }; say B::a␤ expecting any of:␤ statement list␤ prefix or t…
jnthn r: class B { constant a = 3; }; say B::a
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«3␤»
masak std: class B { constant \a = 3 } 09:11
camelia std 7c17586: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 43m␤»
masak jnthn: weird way to write it, but should be OK, no?
jnthn I think we didn't pull in the defterm stuff from STD yet...
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poor_soul i used enum because it's already defined and i import it, then when i define the class, i would like to access its values without referring back to the original enum 09:15
masak hm, I wonder if 'handles SomeEnum' could be made to cover that case... 09:16
jnthn masak: Possibly, but feels weird/special-case-y given enums don't expose the values as methods really... 09:18
r: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { BEGIN { for A.enums -> $k, $v { B.HOW.add_method(B, $k, method () { $v }) } }; }; say B.b # may do it 09:19
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Not enough positional parameters passed; got 1 but expected 2␤»
jnthn r: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { BEGIN { for A.enums.kv -> $k, $v { B.HOW.add_method(B, $k, method () { $v }) } }; }; say B.b # may do it
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«10␤»
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jnthn That's how you'd need to do it to have them as methods... 09:19
poor_soul i would have thought to make it look like this one: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { constant %A = A.enums;}; say B::A 09:20
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jnthn You'd need to write "say %B::A" 09:21
poor_soul r: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { constant %A = A.enums;}; say %B::A
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«("a" => 3, "b" => 10, "c" => 1).hash␤»
poor_soul r: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { constant %A = A.enums;}; say %B::A<a>
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«3␤»
poor_soul jnthn: at this point, is there a way not to need to know the name of A 09:23
jnthn poor_soul: So you can write B::a ? 09:24
poor_soul right! 09:25
jnthn r: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { BEGIN { for A.enums.kv -> $k, $v { B::{$k} = $v } } }; say B::a
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Error while compiling block (source text: "enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { BEGIN { for A.enums.kv -> $k, $v { B::{$k} = $v } } }; say B::a"): Error while compiling op call: Error while compiling block : Error while compiling op call (source text: …
jnthn Not like that, apparently... :) 09:26
JimmyZ r: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { constant % = A.enums;}; say %B::a
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
JimmyZ r: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { constant % = A.enums;}; say B::a
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«Could not find symbol '&a'␤ in method <anon> at src/gen/CORE.setting:11517␤ in any at src/gen/Metamodel.nqp:2671␤ in any find_method_fallback at src/gen/Metamodel.nqp:2659␤ in any find_method at src/gen/Metamodel.nqp:946␤ in block at /tmp/r8gZC7vEYe:1␤␤»…
jnthn r: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { BEGIN { for A.enums.kv -> $k, $v { B.WHO{$k} = $v } } }; say B::a # curious if this works... 09:27
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Error while compiling block (source text: "enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { BEGIN { for A.enums.kv -> $k, $v { B.WHO{$k} = $v } } }; say B::..."): Error while compiling op call: Error while compiling block : Error while compiling op call (source te…
jnthn Oddness...
poor_soul is this ok and portable? 'enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { BEGIN { for A.enums.kv -> $k, $v { B.HOW.add_method(B,$k, method () { $v }) } } };' 09:29
so that i can do B.a
FROGGS nr: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { BEGIN { for A.enums.kv -> $k, $v { B.HOW.add_method(B,$k, method () { $v }) } } }; say B.b 09:30
jnthn Yes, that's the same interface the compiler itself uses to add methods to a class.
camelia niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method add_method in type ClassHOW␤ at /tmp/Nn9Xa23VTp line 1 (ANON @ 4) ␤ at /tmp/Nn9Xa23VTp line 1 (ANON @ 6) ␤ at <unknown> line 0 (ExitRunloop @ 0) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/NieczaBackendDotnet.pm6 line 75 …
..rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«10␤»
jnthn Oh, but niecza doesn't implement the MOP stuff yet. 09:31
FROGGS okay, niecza would need some love
but I think that should be no show-stopper
poor_soul jnthn: that's interesting, but what i meant was more of 'is this gonna stay like this because specced or is this peculiar to Rakudo (on Parrot) ? 09:32
jnthn poor_soul: It's going to stay like this. 09:33
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jnthn poor_soul: It'd work the same on Rakudo on JVM too. 09:33
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poor_soul jnthn++ perfect! :) 09:35
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jnthn (A lot of things depend on it staying like this. :)) 09:36
FROGGS jnthn: btw, do you now when we are going to start on saturday? 09:44
jnthn FROGGS: 9 09:45
FROGGS: As in, 9 o-clock, not "nein, I don't know" :P
FROGGS *g*
RATZFATZNBLATZ!
that is cool, I'll finally get some sleep \o/ 09:46
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FROGGS does somebody know if Bailador works atm? I want to make a webshop the next days 09:51
colomon^^ ?
tadzik? 09:52
tadzik if it doesn't, I'm willing to bring it back from the dead in the next 24 hours :)
FROGGS ohh, ossum
tadzik maybe even on both platforms
FROGGS I only care about parrot atm 09:53
tadzik unless our HTTP server is magically broken on JVM (I wouldn't be _that_ surprised), then I think it should Just Work on both 09:54
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tadzik also, I wanted to do an experiment with running Bailador on non-perl6 webserver 09:54
colomon FROGGS: it's passing all its tests, according to the smoker. 09:55
FROGGS cool! 09:57
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nwc10 gosh. rubini.us/ defaults to targeting 1.8.7. Support for 1.9 is "in progress". But MRI is on 2.0 now. 10:07
masak dependencies are hard, let's go [Null PMC access] 10:08
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poor_soul is there someone interested in helping me debug emmentaler? 10:21
i did wget 'feather.perl6.nl:3000/module/NativeCall' then called smoker NativeCall, but got this error: pastebin.com/k4cHMwAr 10:23
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arnsholt tadzik: You're maintaining Emmentaler these days, no? 10:24
poor_soul i'm having some problems in understanding the issue since the call stack passes through CORE.setting 10:27
moritz poor_soul: ignore the lines that come from CORE.setting 10:28
poor_soul: they are just internals from how .new is implemented
poor_soul so, these lines give the error: method add-project(Panda::Project $p) { %!projects{$p.name} = $p; } 10:30
moritz yes
poor_soul they're in panda
dalek Heuristic branch merge: pushed 18 commits to Perlito/replito by creaktive 10:33
tadzik arnsholt: sort of 10:34
poor_soul: I suppose $p.name is something else than you expect it to be 10:35
poor_soul here's a side question: since i installed both the .pm and the .pir in the right locations for every module, why doesn't rakudo-debugger use the .pm to show me the sources
i'm forced every time to download the modules sources and include them with -I 10:36
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jnthn poor_soul: Because it works by augmenting the compiled output with debug directives, and if there's a pre-compiled version there it doesn't have chance to do it. 10:38
poor_soul: Feel free to file a rakudo-debugger ticket on that.
poor_soul jnthn: is there a way to implement it? 10:39
jnthn poor_soul: It probably needs Perl6::ModuleLoader patching in Rakudo first, in order to give a way to insist it doesn't use pre-compiled modules. 10:41
poor_soul: And then the debugger can "just" use that.
moritz but Perl6::ModuleLoader is NQP code, so no rocket science 10:43
jnthn aye
poor_soul it seems like i got it: in Ecosystem.Build at line 32, it slurps the file and transforms it from json; then it does $list.list because it expected to find a list, but instead got an object! 10:47
so $mod is just a field = value, and cannot behave like an hash like requested 10:48
i guess it happened because i passed emmentaler a file with a single module info 10:49
still, it's weird that it didn't check if there was a single object 10:51
tadzik ah, it'd do that
poor_soul im going out now, have fun
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qiyong python3 become vm based as p6, right? 11:33
and parrot supports python3
tadzik parrot doesn't quite support python, be it 1, 2 or 3 11:34
as for the first question, I don't understand you
hoelzro python3 is as vm-based as python2
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GlitchMr Python 3 is Python 2 with some relatively small differences. 11:40
Of course, relatively small differences are rather incompatible (like removal of "print" keyword), but still. 11:41
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poor_soul i'm back now 11:48
timotimo at least you could get most of the changes with "from __future__" imports 11:49
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GlitchMr "print" in Python 2 was strange anyway. Sometimes it joined arguments with space, sometimes it didn't. 11:55
print "A\n", "B", "C"
A
B C
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GlitchMr I would rather expect something like "A\n B C", or "A\nBC", but definitely not that. 11:55
~ $ python2 -c 'print "P",; print "2",' | xxd 11:59
0000000: 5020 320a P 2.
Or this - I mean. The first print gives space, second gives new line. Too clever for me.
poor_soul how would you detect if a given (hopefully) valid JSON string represents an object or a list of objects? Just check if you find [ before { or is there a more elegant way?
GlitchMr poor_soul, well, you need to detect spaces, but yeah. 12:00
moritz poor_soul: you decode it, and then look at the resulting object
GlitchMr Or, you could simply parse it.
And check whatever the result is array or object.
jnthn poor_soul: Is it not more robust to check what type the parsed output is?
poor_soul doesn't seem to me that JSON::Tiny gives a type 12:01
moritz of course it does
GlitchMr Of course it does.
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moritz it returns either Hash (json object) or something Positional (json array) 12:01
but
tadzik poor_soul: or use JSON::Unmarshal :)
moritz if the program always exepcts an array
why don't you just put the object into the array in the json file? 12:02
poor_soul tadzik: but Panda depends on JSON::Tiny
tadzik I know that
but what is that you're trying to do?
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poor_soul i was trying to fix Panda issue from before 12:02
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tadzik are you sure that's panda's fault? 12:02
GlitchMr sh: prove: command not found 12:03
Panda depends on Perl 5 to exist?
tadzik yeah :./
I once had an idea to change it to parrot-prove
moritz from what I've read so far, the problem could be either in emmentaler or in the user
tadzik but it's not a good idea either, since now we don't neceserilly have parrot 12:04
timotimo i think it's PEBCAK
emmentaler is meant to get passed a json file for the whole ecosystem
tadzik so one day it'd be a good idea to finally make p6prove work
timotimo of course you could improve the error message in panda
but i don't think that's the right approach, i would rather verify the ecosystem file in emmentaler
poor_soul timotimo: so i cannot test just one or a handful of modules?
tadzik poor_soul: you can. Make a 1-element array 12:05
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GlitchMr > from-json('[]') ~~ Array 12:05
True
> from-json('{}') ~~ Array
False
timotimo star: use JSON::Tiny; say from-json('[]') ~~ Array;
camelia star 2013.08: OUTPUT«True␤» 12:06
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poor_soul tadzik: i now understand how to fix this, but do you want to? 12:07
GlitchMr I just noticed it, because I have really minimal Perl installation that only contains Perl itself.
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tadzik poor_soul: what do you want to fix? 12:07
poor_soul tadzik: if Panda receives a projectfile which has a single object instead of an array, it will error out 12:08
tadzik I don't see a probem with that
you give it bogus data, you get bogus results
GlitchMr en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_In%2C_Garbage_Out 12:09
tadzik I don't mind if it errors out in a more descriptive way though
poor_soul this also means that you cannot test a single module with emmentaler
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tadzik no, it doesn't mean that 12:09
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tadzik as I said 4 minutes ago, you can make a 1-element array in JSON 12:09
[{foo:bar}]
timotimo i think it would be nice if you could give emmentaler a filter predicate of some sort
GlitchMr tadzik, well, more like [{"foo":"bar"}] 12:10
JSON needs quotes.
tadzik whatever
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GlitchMr star: use JSON::Tiny; say to-json(foo => "bar").perl 12:10
camelia star 2013.08: OUTPUT«Not enough positional parameters passed; got 0 but expected 1␤ in sub to-json at /home/p6eval/star/lib/parrot/5.5.0/languages/perl6/lib/JSON/Tiny.pm:21␤ in block at /tmp/daB6xpXcjY:1␤␤»
jercos red wizrad needs quotes, badly
poor_soul tadzik: ok, but the method that you suggest here [feather.perl6.nl:3000/] doesn't agree with you
GlitchMr star: use JSON::Tiny; say to-json({foo => "bar"}).perl
timotimo jercos: :D
camelia star 2013.08: OUTPUT«"\{ \"foo\" : \"bar\" }"␤»
GlitchMr star: use JSON::Tiny; say to-json {foo => "bar"} 12:11
camelia star 2013.08: OUTPUT«{ "foo" : "bar" }␤»
tadzik poor_soul: what method do I suggest there?
poor_soul tadzik: it returns a single object, instead of an array
tadzik you can get a single META.info from /module/foo, yes
colomon what's the point of testing a single module in emmentaler, anyway? wouldn't panda be more appropriate for that?
tadzik but you don't give emmentaler, nor panda, a single META.info
you give it a JSON file containing an array with many META.info contents
GlitchMr poor_soul, why not both? Array containing single object?
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poor_soul GlitchMr: it doesn't depend on me, i'm not the one who makes the json file 12:12
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Perlito5 - TODO update
GlitchMr if $result ~~ Hash { $result = [$result]; } 12:13
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tadzik poor_soul: I think you're misusing either panda, or emmentaler, or the feather API 12:13
poor_soul maybe i was not clear enough: here [feather.perl6.nl:3000/] it says how to get a single module info and it returns a single object, not an array containing it
GlitchMr Or actually, without conditionals, my @result = @($result); 12:14
tadzik the /module/ feature was something that I came up with to maybe, one day, not keep a moduleDB in panda at all
poor_soul the fix is, make the site return an array nonetheless
GlitchMr Well, @$result should work too.
tadzik so it'd just fetch META.infos ondemand, sort of like cpanm does
poor_soul or fix panda ecosystem to receive a single object
tadzik but I never used it anywhere
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GlitchMr feather.perl6.nl:3000/module/Acme;Meow 12:14
If you request a single module, you obviously get single module.
(it's not an array)
tadzik using /module is not a recommended way for anything
GlitchMr feather.perl6.nl:3000/projects.json
Well, it's just an exxample. 12:15
But if you don't request any specific module, you get array, even with just one module.
poor_soul i stumbled upon this issue just because i wanted to check why 97.95.33.142:3001/report says Zavolaj doesn't pass test, when it clearly does 12:17
so i tried to reproduce the testing environment
and here i am trying to get the info on a single module
tadzik feather.perl6.nl:3000 does not support crafting a desired list of modules 12:18
you can either get the list of all of them, or just one
timotimo huh, druids build fails
but i just fixed that! :(
lizmat commute to Frankfurt& 12:19
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dalek rl6-Text-Abbrev: 97948cc | (Konrad Borowski)++ | lib/Text/Abbrev.pm:
Use "for" loop instead of "loop".

I believe "for" caused problems previously, but they shouldn't exist anymore.		 12:22
GlitchMr Perhaps I should've disabled notifications here too.
Whatever
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poor_soul so, i worked around by making that file an array, but the result is the same: zavolaj test pass but is checked as failing tests. Is there a way to see the results.json? 12:25
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tadzik poor_soul: it shouldn't get removed 12:29
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timotimo oh, i must have mistake'd 12:43
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timotimo oh damn 12:46
'no such method "dynamic" for invocant of type Sub'
how to make &CALLER::some-sub work?
moritz have you tried CALLER::<&some-sub> ? 12:48
timotimo er, falsche baustelle
how to make the CALLER package properly handle subs?
the subs in question are all our-scoped, so maybe that's how it should work?
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timotimo alternatively, a trait "is dynamic" could be introduced for subs; not sure if that sounds helpful 12:50
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timotimo especially since "dynamic" when appended to a sub doesn't seem as clear as when it's appended to a variable 12:50
poor_soul tadzik: sorry, i meant the results.json of 97.95.33.142:3001/report, not mine 13:00
tadzik poor_soul: ah
hoelzro when we show up tomorrow, we just need to give our name at the hotel, yes? 13:01
tadzik poor_soul: well, everything that results.json will contain is on 97.95.33.142:3001/project/NativeCall
colomon oh, that's this weekend! 13:02
tadzik it doesn't get any more descriptive than "tests failed"
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jnthn It's this weekend??!! 13:02
;-)
jnthn is looking forward to it :)
FLOSSrookie Exactly why is perl6 taking so long? 13:03
To develop.
tadzik big things take a long time to develop
poor_soul tadzik: i wanted to know which version of rakudo was used 13:04
FLOSSrookie I was just curious because on #programming they said it was "dead jim"
tadzik poor_soul: oh. I don't know that
colomon may know :)
poor_soul tadzik: it's written on the resutls.json :)
results* 13:05
tadzik ha! :)
indeed it is
jnthn FLOSSrookie: Because it's a large project doing difficult things being done by mostly volunteers who care about the end result being good. We make monthly releases, each of which is an improvement on the last. If you're curious, give it a try...a LOT is in place.
colomon tadzik: I'm lost in the context on that statement?
tadzik colomon: what Rakudo version is smoker running?
colomon tadzik: oh! 13:06
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colomon the smoker runs at 1:10 AM EST each night, and the first thing it does is pull the latest rakudo from github. 13:07
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poor_soul colomon: that's strange, there should be no reason then for zavolaj to fail the tests... 13:08
colomon so last night's run was perl6 version 2013.08-133-g69c3cce
FLOSSrookie Is there anyway you can make an estimate of it completion?
its ^ 13:09
poor_soul colomon: i suppose there's a complete build env, like gcc etc
daxim FLOSSrookie, see perl6.org/compilers/features 13:12
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colomon poor_soul: sure, it has to build somewhere. 13:12
poor_soul colomon: then, it's even more strange that zavolaj (among others modules) fail the tests when it should pass them 13:13
FLOSSrookie So, Rakudo will probably finish first then. 13:14
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colomon poor_soul: I dunno know why it would be strange that zavolaj fails -- it's one of the most fiddly modules. 13:17
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poor_soul colomon: it seems strange to me because here it passes and i would like to know how and why it fails 13:22
FLOSSrookie Help me to understand this. Perl6 (lang) -> Rakudo [Parrot VM, JVM] right? Isn't that like Scala (lang) -> Scala Compiler -> JVM? 13:23
Perl6 (lang) -> Rakudo -> [Parrot VM, JVM]
Correction.
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FLOSSrookie Perl6 (lang) -> Niecza -> [CLR]? 13:24
jnthn FLOSSrookie: That looks right.
colomon poor_soul: just tried it separately (with a freshly pulled Rakudo) and it's failing t/02-simple-args.t because it thinks it has 11 tests but only 9 run
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jnthn Perl 6 is a language spec + official test suite, Rakudo is an implementation, and it is designed so it can target more than one VM. 13:24
FLOSSrookie I don't fully understand...I am still very new :( 13:25
nwc10 C is a language. gcc is an implementation (as is clang, MSVC, etc)
jnthn Right, it's like that. :)
nwc10 and gcc compiles C to run on ARM, x86, Sparc, etc 13:26
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nwc10 (as does clang, etc) 13:26
poor_soul colomon: are you sure that it's freshly pulled? because that's the error arnsholt fixed no more than three days ago
colomon quite sure, yes 13:27
r: say "hi"
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«hi␤»
colomon That's the version I'm on
FLOSSrookie Wow, there sure are a lot VMs now.
poor_soul ok, i'll try to update to super-latest and retest 13:28
jnthn poor_soul, colomon: It's possible arnsholt did the fix in the NQP repo and didn't bump NQP_REVISION?
poor_soul colomon: i got it! it's because arnsholt had to fix it in nqp
jnthn: exactly right 13:29
colomon poor_soul: yes, if nqp isn't bumped, that would be a problem
TimToady nr: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { enum AA (A.enums) }; say B::a
camelia niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«a␤»
..rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤No such method 'returns' for invocant of type 'Hash'␤»
arnsholt jnthn: Oh, I didn't!
TimToady is that a rakudobug? 13:30
jnthn TimToady: oh, that's cute...
arnsholt An arnsholtbug, perhaps
jnthn TimToady: Yes, we are a bit too special-case-y about enum handling in Rakudo at the moment...
arnsholt I didn't even think to bump NQP_REVISION, since I compile NQP and Rakudo separately
poor_soul colomon: it seems the mistery finally got found out
jnthn TimToady: It's done out of AST analysis, I think, rather than just eval'ing the stuff. 13:31
poor_soul arnsholt: i do too, i didn't think of that
jnthn TimToady: Not quite easy to fix as the setting has enums and I think last time I tried I hit the circularity saw... :)
TimToady well, maybe the setting has pseudo-enums :) 13:32
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TimToady is thinking the syntax should probably now be enum A = list; now that we have the notion of pseudoassignment to declarations 13:33
then you could just write enum A = a=>3,b=>10,c=>1; 13:34
forcing brackets seems rather...medieval...
jnthn yeah, but enum PromiseState <Promised Running Kept Broken>; or so is nice without the = :) 13:35
TimToady and a bit TTIARy when we start adding traits
poor_soul can i pledge to ask for a 'enum A = a=>3,b=>10,c=>1; class B { enum AA = A; };' ?
even better would be a way to flatten AA inside B so that i don't need to know AA's name to get the values 13:37
TimToady nr: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { enum :: (A.enums) }; say B::a
camelia niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«a␤»
..rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤No such method 'returns' for invocant of type 'Hash'␤»
TimToady already have that with anonymous declarations 13:38
jnthn ooh, didn't think of that...
...now just need to fix Rakudo so it works.
TimToady n: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { anon enum XX (A.enums) }; say B::a
camelia niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method postcircumfix:<( )> in type Any␤ at /tmp/1Xmbfm9ji5 line 1 (mainline @ 6) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4583 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4584 (module-CORE @ 576…
TimToady heh
poor_soul that's exactly it, i just need to wait for rakudo devs to fix the issue
TimToady n: enum A (a=>3,b=>10,c=>1); class B { enum (A.enums) }; say B::a 13:39
camelia niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value in string context␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 1355 (warn @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 266 (Mu.Str @ 15) ␤ at <unknown> line 0 (ExitRunloop @ 0) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/N…
FLOSSrookie What is Rakudo not being used to send to the CLR? Why the need for Niecza? 13:40
PerlJam FLOSSrookie: Niecza does things differently :)
TimToady FLOSSrookie: rakudo was targetting only parrot at the time niecza was started 13:41
colomon FLOSSrookie: it might be simplest to think of Niecza as a proof-of-concept that Perl 6 could run on a mainstream VM like CLR or JVM.
nwc10 Interesting disucssion on perl5-porters. It seems that the mergesort that John P. Linderman wrote for us about 10 years ago might actually be one of the most advanced sorts out there. www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/p...00345.html and www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/p...00490.html
TimToady rakudo will get to CLR eventually
nwc10 (and worth stealing)
poor_soul so happy, now that i know that Perl6 is indeed flexible enough to that what i wanted there XD 13:42
TimToady mergesort tends to work well with partially sorted data
poor_soul s/to that/to do that/
TimToady There's More Than One Way To Screw It Up
nwc10 he was also benchmarking it with random data, if I understood this correctly: www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/p...00931.html
FLOSSrookie Do you guys think that Perl6 will gain the traction worth all the effort? I ask because I see much of the NEW foss apps using python. There are numerous apps in perl historically but the new stuff seems to be in python. 13:43
poor_soul Do It or Screw It, it's up to the programmer, but only the language can be good enough to let it happen
TimToady FLOSSrookie: we wouldn't be working on it if we didn't think it would at least be possible for *us* to use it productively in the future :) 13:44
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nwc10 It's not clear how Python is going to fare in the multicore future 13:44
TimToady but we also wouldn't be working on it so hard if we didn't think a whole bunch of other people will like it too 13:45
poor_soul perl6++ Rakudo++ MoarVM++
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poor_soul it's a ++_fest 13:45
TimToady and to be honest, we're aiming for the next generation, that will think of Python as "that horrible language my parents had to use" :)
FLOSSrookie So, Rakudo is forward thinking? About multi-core that is. 13:46
TimToady we've been forward thinking about multi-core for 13 years now
jnthn We've been speculatively evaluating that future... :) 13:47
nwc10 to say nothing of Perl 5. Er, I mean 3. :-)
colomon FLOSSrookie: I'm using p6 productively *today*. I'm just sticking to tasks where 1) grammars are a huge help and 2) it doesn't matter if things are kind of slow.
nwc10 finds Perl 6 interesting because of NFG, gradual typing and concurrency. And Rakudo is interesting because it's one implementation for multiple VMs. No-one else does that. 13:48
and there's a fifth thing that I forgot
TimToady a fanatical devotion to the pope?
nwc10 that too
TimToady oh wait, that's python
nwc10 but it was "self hosting"
I have just laughed out loud that that. I didn't see that coming. 13:49
FLOSSrookie Okay, I was just trying to pool some knowledge so I can create a group of languages I would like to learn. 13:50
TimToady: I'm sorry but where is the humor in that? I don't get it.
TimToady python is named after Monty Python, not the serpent
and that's an allusion to holy grail 13:51
nwc10 earlier would be this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spanish_I..._Python%29
poor_soul FLOSSrookie: definitely don't need to learn Ruby, a better Perl than Perl 5 can only be Perl 6 13:52
TimToady now wonders if qiyong is really spanish
poor_soul: well, I would say there are many Perls that can be better than Perl 5, but unfortunately only one of them can be called Perl 6 13:53
and we already grabbed that name :)
FLOSSrookie Here are the ones I was thinking so far. Python (Jython and IronPython) C(++) BASIC Java C#
But if I should I could remove one...maybe C# and replace it with Perl6
PerlJam FLOSSrookie: What's your goal in learning these languages? 13:54
jnthn tbh, I'd remove BASIC instead of C#. C# is kinda nice. :)
PerlJam FLOSSrookie: because, the ones you've chosen are all mostly conceptually similar.
TimToady you should really study something more FPish
and maybe some Prolog
PerlJam FLOSSrookie: What TimToady said
TimToady some Haskell, say
jnthn Or ML
PerlJam FLOSSrookie: or ocaml,
jnthn finds ML easier than Haskell :) 13:55
nwc10 which did you learn first?
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FLOSSrookie A) Not to overload myself by going over five. B) Focus not so much on a language which teaches good theory but is also of use in the FOSS community. 13:55
Like those languages I try to avoid.
poor_soul is mind-bent by Monads
PerlJam jnthn: is that an argument that he should learn haskell? ;)
nwc10 and which is less crazy?
jnthn nwc10: ML. It's syntax is more, uh, "normal". :) 13:56
nwc10: ML was beat into me at The Unother Place... :)
PerlJam FLOSSrookie: lua, haskell, scheme, scala, etc. Are all "of use in the FOSS community" :)
FLOSSrookie When I say BASIC I mean FreeBASIC it seems to be capable of all that C++ is.
hoelzro Lua++
poor_soul c/c++ only if you want to interact with hardware and/or existing libraries/projects (Qt, KDE, GTK, Gnome)
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hoelzro might take what he learns this weekend and start on Lukudo 13:57
FLOSSrookie PerlJam: Yes, but I cannot learn them all. I don't want to overload.
jnthn C is a pretty good DSL for building a GC in... :)
nwc10 Lukudo would be what?
TimToady lua, presumably
poor_soul jnthn: only if you're already very goot at C
good*
PerlJam FLOSSrookie: why can't you learn them all? It just takes some time. Do you have a time limit?
colomon I tried learning ML once. But I gave up in frustration when the elegant code they dangled in front of me in chapter 1 was rejected in chapter 2 as hopelessly inefficient compared to mind-bogglingly complex way people actually coded in ML. :( 13:58
FLOSSrookie PerlJam: I don't want to learn a language which I might not use. It would be a waste of time.
jnthn poor_soul: Well, I was more meaning that it's a language well optimized for doing evil things with memory. :)
PerlJam FLOSSrookie: once you get the "big picture" concepts in your brain, you can recognize them in other languages and quickly pick them up.
FLOSSrookie: how do you know apriori which languages you might or might not use?
poor_soul jnthn: oh right, *that* could never be wrong :)
TimToady FLOSSrookie: and you should also learn languages that teach you to think differently
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PerlJam FLOSSrookie: What TimToady said again! :) 13:59
TimToady because you'll find yourself, say, programming with Lisp ideas in other languages
nwc10 I thought that someone had done a presentation about working on NQP on Lua at the French Perl Workshop this year, but I can't find it in the schedule
FLOSSrookie PerlJam: Fair enough but then where would it end.
PerlJam FLOSSrookie: why does it have to end? (I'm still learning new things all the time) 14:00
If you're not learning, you're probably dead.
FLOSSrookie I was looking at this lang-index.sourceforge.net/
TimToady FLOSSrookie: you planning to retire soon?
the most valuable employee these days is one who keeps on learning
hoelzro nwc10: seriously? awesome
FLOSSrookie Why is everyone against BASIC? 14:01
jnthn nwc10: Was that implement NQP on Lua, or implement Lua in NQP? :)
poor_soul btw, don't you think it could be possible to implement Python2/3 on top of NQP, and viceversa support NQP even on the Python VM? That would give a great installation base to conquer the world 14:02
TimToady FLOSSrookie: but if you want a job where you don't actually have to think, then I don't recommend programming
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nwc10 jnthn: good point, I forget 14:02
PerlJam FLOSSrookie: I'm not against BASIC. (But it doesn't have too many concepts to teach you as compared with other languages)
jnthn wsn't sure which one hoelzro meant either :)
FLOSSrookie TimToady: It is not about that, it is about not making my computer my second wife.
nwc10 Maddingue: what was the Rakudo NQP or Lua related presnetation at the French Perl Workshop this year?
hoelzro for clarification: NQP that generates code to be run on the Lua VM 14:03
PerlJam It would be neat to see a lua-backed Rakudo.
I wonder how that would perform in comparison to moarvm even :)
poor_soul PerlJam: and then comquer the embedded world too
conquer*
hoelzro if the P6 structures in Lua land weren't too big =) 14:04
Maddingue nwc10: hmm, maybe you're speaking about fperrad's talk? journeesperl.fr/fpw2013/talk/4845
nwc10 Maddingue: I think that I was. In which case it's NQP-free :-) 14:05
and Rakudoless
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poor_soul implementing Python on NQP would give Python access to potentially better multicore support thanks to MoarVM 14:05
Maddingue cognominal and liz talked about the current state of Perl 6, and liz did her "is Perl 6 Perl?" talk (the same that she did later in Kiev) 14:06
PerlJam lizmat++ (that talk put things in perspective for many people I think)
FLOSSrookie Which part is multi-core friendly Rakudo or Parrot? If it is Parrot then would not python do well on multi-core if run on it?
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TimToady FLOSSrookie: there are 26 different versions of BASIC on rosettacode.org, and it doesn't look like FreeBASIC is one of them... 14:08
arguably, Perl 1 was a (per)version of BASIC too :)
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poor_soul FLOSSrookie: definitely not Parrot on the long run 14:09
jnthn
.oO( perlversion )
TimToady FLOSSrookie: Parrot is not particularly multi-core friendly, though that was not by intent
rakudo on JVM or MoarVM is much likelier to do multicore well 14:10
FLOSSrookie TimToady: rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:BASIC...mentations I see FreeBASIC.
TimToady well, nobody's contributed any examples under that name, or is it a name variant of some other version?
poor_soul i'm getting ===SORRY!=== invoke() not implemented in class 'QAST::Op' doing perl6 -c on a library, does someone have an idea? 14:14
TimToady anyway, that's the nice thing about BASIC; you have so many different languages to choose from...
FLOSSrookie Maybe I should replace C# with perl6 because C# is not used as much in FOSS. 14:15
PerlJam FLOSSrookie: neither is Perl 6 currently. (if that's your main criterion) 14:16
diakopter argh; *way* too much interesting backlog 14:17
btyler hoelzro: if you're playing with Lua, check out studio.zerobrane.com/ <-- lovely simple IDE (written in Lua) with live coding and debuggers for everything from LuaJIT to iOS Lua frameworks
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FLOSSrookie It really is difficult. I would like to learn more it is just that I don't want to multiply languages past necessity. 14:18
hoelzro btyler: I've heard good things about ZeroBrane 14:19
I haven't gotten around to trying it
I'm a hardcore Vimmer myself =)
diakopter FLOSSrookie: C# is not used as much as perl6 in FOSS? C# is used hundreds of thousands of times as much as perl6 in FOSS
PerlJam FLOSSrookie: "necessity"? For me, it's more about "fun". 14:20
FLOSSrookie diakopter: True, I should have said acceptance in FOSS. Perl6 has more potential there. There is resistance to C# but when perl6 is complete I can't think of a reason why it would be resisted.
TimToady PerlJam: that would be known as "second wife syndrome" :) 14:21
moritz poor_soul: it's an error in rakudo or nqp. Please submit as a bug report
diakopter completely disagree
FLOSSrookie TimToady: :)
poor_soul moritz: is this log enough of details for a bug? pastebin.com/UQXcHeis
PerlJam Yeah, I guess my perspective is quite skewed because computing was more a "first wife" for me :) 14:22
moritz poor_soul: if you include lib.pm6, yes
(unless it's the one from rakudo)
btyler hoelzro: yep, vim here too :) I was investigating ZeroBrane as an environment for teaching programming, but found that the live-coding + integration with things like love2d (2d game engine) made it pretty snazzy
hoelzro cool
I'll have to try it!
poor_soul moritz: no, it's not from Rakudo
masak FLOSSrookie: I'm curious -- why is your nick the way it is, and then you use the term "FOSS"? 14:23
btyler which reminds me, re teaching programming...does p6 have a turtle implementation yet?
FLOSSrookie diakopter: Disagree with me? If so, please state why. I am curious.
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diakopter FLOSSrookie: there is a myriad of reasons Perl 6 will be resisted, rejected, derided, ignored... C# will be ahead of it in FOSS for decades, probably forever 14:23
masak btyler: there is one or two on RC.
btyler: but that would also be a perfect demo on top of what pmurias++ is doing.
PerlJam diakopter: forever?!?! That's a long time ;)
masak btyler: then you could have *turtles* in *Perl 6* in the *browser*! 14:24
TimToady diakopter++ is just naturally pessimistic about his own efforts :)
FLOSSrookie masak: It used to be FOSSrookie but then I made a mistake and somehow way back when I could not get into the account. It was so long ago now, Oh...I changed email address. And oops forgot the password so could not reset it.
TimToady but we also have a Secret Jnthn!
diakopter FLOSSrookie: .NET's open-source library archive is bigger than CPAN...
btyler masak: yeah, that'd be a great setting to explore visual live coding. hmm.... 14:25
FLOSSrookie diakopter: How did that happen? Perl has been around much longer. 14:26
poor_soul moritz: could i ask you to do it for me? i'm not registered. The .pm6 file is from Text::Levenshtein::Damerau at github.com/ugexe/Perl6-Text--Leven...n--Damerau
PerlJam FLOSSrookie: marketing :)
diakopter no
there's no money behind it 14:27
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diakopter behind nuget, anyway 14:27
TimToady marketing != money
FROGGS I'd think that .NET is the first choice for windows devs
diakopter FLOSSrookie: the same way Python's is bigger, JavaScript's is bigger, Ruby's is bigger, and Java's is hugely bigger than CPAN 14:28
TimToady notes that the Perl 6 program he uses most for "production" is written in C#
that is, niecza is
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diakopter unfortunately must be aft the next 4 hours 14:29
tadzik away from TimToady
diakopter terminal, too 14:30
tadzik ah :)
TimToady must be daft 14:32
FROGGS TimToady: why?
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TimToady it's constitutional 14:33
FROGGS if you say so :o)
diakopter laughed
masak .oO( nobody expects the Spanish constitution! ) 14:37
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arnsholt I didn't even think to bump NQP_REVISION, since I compile NQP and Rakudo separately 14:47
Whoops. Double tap from SSH lag :.;
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masak this HN discussion of "Black Perl" is surprisingly pleasant and level-headed: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6371239 14:55
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arnsholt jnthn: Maybe get_boxed_ref on JVM has to return some kind of proxy object which twiddles the P6opaque behind the scenes? 15:08
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jercos r: sub recursqrt($square, Int $depth = 20 where {$_ > 0}){return ($square, {($_ + $square/$_)/2} ... *)[$depth]};recursqrt(2).say 15:27
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/fZwmqjkn8y␤Missing block␤at /tmp/fZwmqjkn8y:1␤------> sub recursqrt($square, Int $depth = 20 ⏏where {$_ > 0}){return ($square, {($_ + ␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ infix s…
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jercos hrm. is that supposed to work? 15:27
r: sub recursqrt($square, Int $depth where {$_ > 0} = 20){return ($square, {($_ + $square/$_)/2} ... *)[$depth]};recursqrt(2).say 15:29
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«Not enough positional parameters passed; got 1 but expected 2␤ in sub recursqrt at /tmp/JN5zFJSQFq:1␤ in block at /tmp/JN5zFJSQFq:1␤␤»
diakopter how does it recurse?
PerlJam jercos: I think you just have the initialization in the wrong place.
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jercos diakopter: implicit recursion. the ... will call the inner function to be called with the result of the previous calls to produce deeper results. 15:30
PerlJam: well, I don't see where I'm meant to move it to :| 15:31
I mean the same result can be done with a subset, so it's not missing functionality per se, but that doesn't seem as elegant, to reserve a name in the type space just to constrain that. (unless there's a "positive whole numbers" type already?) 15:32
PerlJam jercos: well, I would have expected your second one to work, so maybe there is a bug somewhere.
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jercos r: subset PositiveInt of Int where {$_ > 0};sub recursqrt($square, PositiveInt $depth = 20){return ($square, {($_ + $square/$_)/2} ... *)[$depth]};recursqrt(2).say 15:32
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«1.41421356237309␤»
jercos diakopter: I suppose recursion might not be the correct term... it's sorta the opposite of recursion actually now that I really think about it. 15:34
jnthn arnsholt: Maybe that. Or maybe for things like NativeCall that wants to inline multiple fields, we just inline an object with them and then return that, in tc.native_o or so
jercos star: sub recursqrt($square, Int $depth where {$_ > 0} = 20){return ($square, {($_ + $square/$_)/2} ... *)[$depth]};recursqrt(2).say 15:35
camelia star 2013.08: OUTPUT«1.41421356237309␤»
jercos n: sub recursqrt($square, Int $depth where {$_ > 0} = 20){return ($square, {($_ + $square/$_)/2} ... *)[$depth]};recursqrt(2).say
camelia niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: No value for parameter '$depth' in 'recursqrt'␤ at /tmp/k_PxEseNGP line 0 (recursqrt @ 1) ␤ at /tmp/k_PxEseNGP line 1 (mainline @ 4) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4583 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.s…
diakopter r: sub recursqrt($square, Int $depth? where ($_ > 0 || ($_ = 20))){return ($square, {($_ + $square/$_)/2} ... *)[$depth]};recursqrt(2).say
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«Invocant requires an instance, but a type object was passed␤ in method Bridge at src/gen/CORE.setting:3889␤ in sub infix:<>> at src/gen/CORE.setting:3812␤ in sub infix:<>> at src/gen/CORE.setting:3662␤ in sub recursqrt at /tmp/PDYESLhwN3:1␤ in block at /tmp/P…
diakopter masak: ^ error?
lta at least
jercos n: sub recursqrt($square, Int $depth = 20 where {$_ > 0}){return ($square, {($_ + $square/$_)/2} ... *)[$depth]};recursqrt(2).say
camelia niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Default expression must come last at /tmp/bY9Hk3eqH3 line 1:␤------> sub recursqrt($square, Int $depth = 20 ⏏where {$_ > 0}){return ($square, {($_ + ␤␤Unable to parse signature at /tmp/bY9Hk3eqH3 line 1:␤-…
diakopter masak: (I have no idea what Bridge is) 15:36
jercos hrmkay, so that latter one is in fact the correct form, it's just broken in niecza *and* rakudo git :p
diakopter r: sub recursqrt($square, Int $depth? where (($_ ||= 20) > 0)){return ($square, {($_ + $square/$_)/2} ... *)[$depth]};recursqrt(2).say 15:37
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«Cannot assign to a readonly variable or a value␤ in sub METAOP_TEST_ASSIGN:<||> at src/gen/CORE.setting:15735␤ in sub recursqrt at /tmp/N4jGHrbYKI:1␤ in block at /tmp/N4jGHrbYKI:1␤␤»
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arnsholt jnthn: Yeah, I think that's a good first approach. Then we can do the proxy thing later 15:38
diakopter std: say $_ ||:= 3
camelia std 7c17586: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Preceding context expects a term, but found infix := instead at /tmp/kQepk20Ew6 line 1:␤------> say $_ ||⏏:= 3␤Parse failed␤FAILED 00:00 43m␤»
diakopter TimToady: bind can't go there?
jnthn There's only an assignment meta-operator, afaik. 15:39
diakopter [implied question: why not?]
arnsholt jnthn: There's a bit of a wrinkle in that Parrot lets you have several box_targets with different REPRs though. Think I'll ignore that bit for the time being as well
jnthn arnsholt: Yeah...I'm not sure we really need that. 15:40
arnsholt: i mean, you can inline several native ints, for example, but only one can be a box target... 15:41
masak diakopter: Bridge is colomon++'s invention. he says it was necessary to get math to work on Rakudo. 15:47
rn: say Bridge
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/JHzc1etHyy␤Undeclared name:␤ Bridge used at line 1␤␤»
..niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Undeclared name:␤ 'Bridge' used at line 1␤␤Unhandled exception: Check failed␤␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 1502 (die @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/STD.pm6 line 1147 (P6.comp_unit @ 36) ␤ at /home…
masak apparently it's not a type, though.
felher masak: ("Nobody expects the Spanish constitution"). nice. I might have to steal that one... :)
arnsholt jnthn: Yeah, yeah. But if you have a look at get_boxed_ref on Parrot, you'll see what I mean. As long as the inlines have different REPRs, you can have as many as you want 15:48
masak felher: #perl6 is all about finding ways to parameterize memes.
felher masak: I see :) 15:49
dalek rlito/replito: 9391890 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (3 files):
Perlito5 - js - fix variable declaration inside expressions
rlito/replito: efea5bc | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | TODO-perlito5:
Perlito5 - TODO update
rlito/replito: 91ab027 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (3 files):
Perlito5 - js - some support for my+if
rlito/replito: 62da2a6 | (Stanislaw Pusep)++ | / (4 files):
Merge branch 'master' into replito
masak .oO( rickrollier than thou ) 15:50
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flussence rn: subset Nat of Int where * > 0; sub recursqrt(Nat $square) { $square, {($_ + $square/$_)/2} ... * }; say recursqrt(2)[20] 16:30
camelia niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«1.4142135623730949␤»
..rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«1.41421356237309␤»
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flussence rn: subset Nat of Numeric where * > 0; sub recursqrt(Nat $square) { $square, {($_ + $square/$_)/2} ... * }; say recursqrt(1.618)[20]; say 1.618.sqrt 16:35
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«1.27200628929263␤1.27200628929263␤»
..niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object␤ at Niecza.P6how.FillClass (System.String[] all_slot, Niecza.STable[] type_slot, Niecza.STable[] superclasses, Niecza.STable[] mro) [0x0000…
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TimToady rn: subset Nat of Int where 1..*; sub recursqrt(Nat $square) { $square, {($_ + $square/$_)/2} ... * }; say recursqrt(2)[20] 16:46
camelia niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«1.4142135623730949␤»
..rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«1.41421356237309␤»
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lizmat arrived safely in Frankfurt 16:47
moritz: too bad :-(
TimToady
.oO( ich bin ein frankfurter )
lizmat
.oO( nom nom )
jnthn lizmat: Nice. I'll be there too by this time tomorrow \o/ 16:48
timotimo has not yet gotten a ticket :|
lizmat cool! we're going to go out now and check out some places to visit the coming evenings
timotimo doesn't have to travel that far, and only by train I hope ?
timotimo indeed 16:49
i'll probably be easily able to reach the hotel and venue via tram from the main station, right?
TimToady wonders how long it would take him to get there by canoe...
lizmat there is a train station across the street from the hotel
timotimo perfect :)
lizmat Frankfurt am Main West (we think) 16:50
flussence
.oO( I wonder if there's any game engines that maintain the framerate by using variable math accuracy everywhere... )
lizmat bbl &
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timotimo flussence: floating point already is variable accuracy ;) 16:51
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flussence yeah, but I mean of the "stop at an arbitrary point and still get a usable answer" kind 16:52
I guess those photon-simulating engines would qualify... 16:53
timotimo right
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timotimo there's a connection that'll see me arrive at 1840 at the main station, is that sensible? i could easily arrive at 1808, too, but it says it'll probably be full of people and i prefer non-crowded trains :P 16:54
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not_gerd timotimo: you can easily get from masin station to west via trains S3-S6 16:55
s/masin/main/
timotimo s3, s4, s5 and s6?
not_gerd should be S3..S6 in p6, I guess ;)
timotimo nice 16:56
probably only takes like 10 minutes, right?
masak only if S-es have a .next method :P
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timotimo yeah, should probably be ... instead? 16:57
not_gerd r: 'S3'..'S6'
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: ( no output )
not_gerd r: say 'S3'..'S6'
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«"S3".."S6"␤»
not_gerd r: say @('S3'..'S6')
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«S3 S4 S5 S6␤»
jnthn masak: .next? I think you .succ 16:58
masak argh!
yes!
timotimo so, any suggestions for how to make subs available through CALLER? 17:00
jnthn hmm
Declare them dynamic?
hm
std: sub *foo() { }
camelia std 7c17586: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Malformed block at /tmp/x8pTxJ9JaA line 1:␤------> sub ⏏*foo() { }␤ expecting routine_def␤Parse failed␤FAILED 00:00 41m␤»
jnthn std: sub &*foo() { }
camelia std 7c17586: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 43m␤»
jnthn r: sub &*foo() { } 17:01
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/_EW0BgIuLQ␤Missing block␤at /tmp/_EW0BgIuLQ:1␤------> sub ⏏&*foo() { }␤ expecting any of:␤ statement list␤ prefix or term␤ prefix or meta-prefix␤ new name to…
jnthn Implement dat feature :P
timotimo sigh :)
TimToady r: my &*foo = sub { say "here" }; { &*foo() } 17:02
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«here␤»
jnthn r: my &*foo = sub () { say 'omg CALLERable' }; sub bar() { CALLER::<&*foo> }; say bar().()
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«omg CALLERable␤True␤»
jnthn oh, TimToady beat me to it. But I used CALLER :)
timotimo oh, that already works, cool :) 17:04
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TimToady interesting that that calls it 17:05
I guess it officially doesn't have a sigil on the front...
jnthn TimToady: How so?
TimToady: Notice my bar().() 17:06
TimToady oic
jnthn I think it officialy does ;-)
TimToady is fine with that
jnthn :)
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jnthn Oh, well, depends which "it" you mean... :) 17:06
TimToady r: my &*foo = sub () { say 'omg CALLERable' }; sub bar() { &*foo }; say bar().() 17:07
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«omg CALLERable␤True␤»
TimToady not sure *why* you used CALLER tho
jnthn TimToady: 'cus timotimo was asking about CALLER 17:08
but yeah, you could easily write that case without it :) 17:09
timotimo is going to fix up druid now 17:10
although it doesn't look pretty :(
strange, that doesn't work 17:18
oh 17:22
hehe
turns out if you write it like my &*foo and try to access it before that line is run, it will not be defined
TimToady well, duh, that's why it's called "dynamic" 17:23
timotimo hehe 17:24
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timotimo masak: feel free to quickly review my pull request on druid? 17:29
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colomon masak, diakopter: Bridge isn't necessary to make math work on Rakudo; it's necessary to allow people to gracefully define new numerical types in Perl 6. 17:38
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masak timotimo: will do in a little while. 17:47
timotimo cool 17:48
masak colomon: that sounds interesting. do you have a concrete example of gracefully defining a new numerical type?
maybe that would finally make the role of Bridge click for me.
timotimo sub params($method) { $method.signature.params ==> grep { .positional && !.invocant } ==> map { .name.substr(1) } }
er
r: sub params($method) { $method.signature.params ==> grep { .positional && !.invocant } ==> map { .name.substr(1) } }
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: ( no output )
timotimo r: say "hi"
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«hi␤»
timotimo r: sub params($method) { $method.signature.params␤ ==> grep { .positional && !.invocant }␤ ==> map { .name.substr(1) } }
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/QIKUPekZTl␤Bogus statement␤at /tmp/QIKUPekZTl:3␤------> ⏏==> map { .name.substr(1) } }␤ expecting any of:␤ method arguments␤ postfix␤ statement end␤ stateme…
timotimo is that a regression? that we need to put a \ at the end? 17:49
colomon masak: I don't have an example handy, and don't have time to think of one at the moment. But keep bugging me about it (at suitable time intervals).... 17:51
masak colomon: oki, will do. 17:52
colomon: my preferred example would (of course) be adding surreal numbers. :>
timotimo: github.com/timo/druid/commit/6661f...23dd#L0R92 (and L94) seems to be... debug output? 17:55
timotimo: apart from that, it looks good.
timotimo: if it is debug output, feel free to amend that commit and re-pullrequest. 17:56
jnthn colomon: Was there not a spectest that exercises Bridge to do so?
jnthn can't look for it right now, though...
timotimo oh, yes, debug output
that's why i didn't just push it to the repo
colomon jnthn: yes, but it was a relatively cheesy example I thought up quickly.
jnthn ah, ok 17:57
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timotimo there we go, masak 17:57
masak "there we go"? I only see the old pull request. :/ 17:58
timotimo oh? but why?
masak you tell me.
timotimo look at the files changed, the debug output is gone
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timotimo hey ssutch :) 17:58
how are you doing?
masak oh!
yes, you're right.
ssutch oh hello 17:59
i'm swell
masak timotimo: merged. timotimo++
timotimo masak: github.com/masak/crypt/blob/master/t/hanoi.t#L5 - can you imagine why this would explode with this error: Nominal type check failed for parameter ''; expected Any but got LargerOnSmaller instead (when called from line 39) 18:01
as far as i can see, LargerOnSmaller is derived from X::Hanoi 18:02
and X::Hanoi is Exception
changing the parameter ex_type to be Mu instead doesn't help 18:03
masak timotimo: could have to do with definedness.
timotimo: passing in a type object there.
timotimo ah, mhm
masak timotimo: maybe the type should be Exception:U
the error message sucks, though.
perigrin Whatsamotta:U 18:04
masak r: class X::MyFootHurts is Exception {}; sub foo($ouch) {}; foo X::MyFootHurts
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: ( no output )
masak hrm.
seems it wasn't that easy, though.
anyway, that was my first thought.
timotimo huh.
masak timotimo: my suggestion is to golf the error. 18:05
timotimo i get one more test to pass, then the same error message ;)
r: class X::Hanoi is Exception { class LargerOnSmaller is X::Hanoi { method message { "you can't do that" } } }; sub testsub($ex_type) { say $ex_type; }; testsub(X::Hanoi::LargerOnSmaller); 18:07
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter '$ex_type'; expected Any but got LargerOnSmaller instead␤ in sub testsub at /tmp/NGF8YGarzP:1␤ in block at /tmp/NGF8YGarzP:1␤␤»
timotimo r: class X::Hanoi is Exception { class LargerOnSmaller is X::Hanoi { method message { "you can't do that" } } }; sub testsub(Mu:U $ex_type) { say $ex_type; }; testsub(X::Hanoi::LargerOnSmaller);
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«No such method 'gist' for invocant of type 'LargerOnSmaller'␤ in sub say at src/gen/CORE.setting:12408␤ in sub testsub at /tmp/ykGWbN3xXI:1␤ in block at /tmp/ykGWbN3xXI:1␤␤»
timotimo r: class X::Hanoi is Exception { class LargerOnSmaller is X::Hanoi { method message { "you can't do that" } } }; sub testsub(Mu:U $ex_type) { say $ex_type.message; }; testsub(X::Hanoi::LargerOnSmaller);
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«you can't do that␤»
timotimo now how do i properly check against that exception type? 18:08
maybe eqv is the right way to do it
r: class X::Hanoi is Exception { class LargerOnSmaller is X::Hanoi { method message { "you can't do that" } } }; sub testsub(Mu:U $ex_type) { X::Hanoi::LargerOnSmaller.new().WHAT eqv $ex_type }; testsub(X::Hanoi::LargerOnSmaller); 18:09
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«No such method 'new' for invocant of type 'LargerOnSmaller'␤ in sub testsub at /tmp/M7uxBChzLL:1␤ in block at /tmp/M7uxBChzLL:1␤␤»
timotimo r: class X::Hanoi is Exception { class LargerOnSmaller is X::Hanoi { method message { "you can't do that" } } }; sub testsub(Mu:U $ex_type) { X::Hanoi::LargerOnSmaller.new().WHAT eqv $ex_type.WHAT }; testsub(X::Hanoi::LargerOnSmaller);
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«No such method 'new' for invocant of type 'LargerOnSmaller'␤ in sub testsub at /tmp/cRuvsHcLhC:1␤ in block at /tmp/cRuvsHcLhC:1␤␤»
timotimo r: class X::Hanoi is Exception { class LargerOnSmaller is X::Hanoi { method message { "you can't do that" } } }; say X::Hanoi::LargerOnSmaller.^methods
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«No such method 'dispatch:<.^>' for invocant of type 'LargerOnSmaller'␤ in block at /tmp/M6toAIEzgc:1␤␤»
timotimo i'm kind of getting the feeling that putting the class definition into the other class is making it bork 18:10
masak r: class A is Exception { class B is A {} }; sub foo($x) {}; foo(B)
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/RpYo9gQGNC␤Undeclared name:␤ B used at line 1␤␤»
masak r: class A is Exception { class B is A {} }; sub foo($x) {}; foo(A::B)
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter '$x'; expected Any but got B instead␤ in sub foo at /tmp/GdUTrLZ5on:1␤ in block at /tmp/GdUTrLZ5on:1␤␤»
masak submits rakudobug
timotimo: yes.
timotimo putting it outside makes it work indeed.
would you welcome a PR to do that change, so that the tests can run again?( 18:11
masak absolutely. ++timotimo
yet another case of "this refactor makes, sense, and will never unearth yet another rakudobug" :P
s/, //
timotimo :D 18:12
actually, mind giving me a commit bit?
i always feel there's still too much administrative overhead to a one-commit-immediately-approved-pullrequest 18:13
masak indeed. hold on. 18:14
timotimo yays :)
masak added.
welcome aboard :)
timotimo huh? it denies me access 18:18
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timotimo "ERROR: Permission to masak/crypt.git denied to timo." i don't think i typo'd? 18:18
masak seems it didn't take. 18:19
added again. :)
timotimo ah, wonderful
two more modules should be passing smoketests
colomon \o/ 18:20
masak r: class A is Exception {}; class C { class B is A {} }; sub foo($x) {}; foo(C::B)
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: ( no output )
masak hm; nesting in the same class you inherit from seems to be a required part of the problem.
timotimo tangent, have any of you played Antichamber? it's the kind of game i would expect perl6ians to enjoy 18:22
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TimToady timotimo: the ==> isn't a regression, but rakudo has not updated to use STD's recentish change to make ==> a statement separator rather than an operator 18:27
masak timotimo: url?
TimToady because the line-ending } always terminates a statement
timotimo www.antichamber-game.com/ 18:28
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timotimo it'll be 66% off on steam for another 4.5 hours (that makes it 6.45 euros in my region) 18:30
masak timotimo: looks delightful. 18:31
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timotimo i can confirm that it is 18:32
lots of non-euclidean fun and puzzles
also, may as well also recommend FEZ, which also does cool perspective-bending things and is available for windows, mac and linux starting at 4.60 dollars in the current humblebundle.com 18:34
moritz r: my $s :a
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤invoke() not implemented in class 'QAST::Op'␤»
moritz submits rakudobug
masak timotimo: non-EUCLIDIAN!? 18:37
masak buys it
timotimo: though I think you mean "only locally Euclidian" :P
timotimo that's true 18:38
moritz
.oO( in first order approximation, everything is linear! )
timotimo sometimes you turn around and behind you is a hallway that wasn't there before :3
jnthn masak: Pretty sure that heritage one you just submitted is already in fwiw. :)
masak timotimo: speaking of which, have you read www.fimfiction.net/story/62074/Frie...is-Optimal ? 18:39
jnthn: ok, will scan for it.
jnthn: hehe, "heritage" :P
timotimo i have not :)
masak timotimo: do.
compared to HPMoR, it's a short read.
jnthn TimToady: Not sure if I asked or missed the answer, but why is the colonpair in rule trait about? 18:40
masak and it did teach me about optimizers (in the AI sense).
jnthn uh, what :)
or why is it there... :)
timotimo oh, it's already completed!
TimToady jnthn: it's just the view that 'is' is syntactic sugar for an adverb
masak jnthn: scanned, and didn't find any dupe for that problem. 18:43
jnthn: if it's in there, then probably I didn't file it, because I tend to find my own tickets.
rn: my @a = [1], [2], [3]; say (map { @a[1 - $_][0] }, 0 .. 3).perl 18:45
camelia niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«(2, 1, Any, Any).list␤»
..rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«(2, 1, Failure.new(exception => X::AdHoc.new(payload => "Cannot use negative index -1 on Array")), Failure.new(exception => X::AdHoc.new(payload => "Cannot use negative index -2 on Array"))).list␤»
masak amends RT #98954 18:46
synopsebot Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...l?id=98954
masak synopsebot: hey! gracias!
btyler masak: I'd like to file a claim to recover 1.5 weekend days, given that said quantity of time was lost to reading the entirety of HPMoR after hearing you mention it here. 18:48
jnthn TimToady: ah, so it dispatches to trait_mod:<is>? 18:49
TimToady: Passing the colonpair as a named arg? 18:50
masak btyler: :) 18:54
btyler: I find myself haunting the hpmor subreddit these days, along with re-reading the fanfic through the podcast, and following reading suggestions from the author notes, *and* reading through the sequences over at LessWrong. so don't come here complaining about lost time! :P 18:55
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btyler masak: yikes, and I thought I'd be able to return to productivity once I'd finished the story archive...I steer clear of reddit, as 'finishing' has no meaning there. 18:57
masak the same could be said of IRC. :P 18:59
TimToady jnthn: :foo('bar') is supposed to be the same as "is foo('bar')" 19:00
jnthn TimToady: ok, thanks 19:01
PerlJam masak: or of programming languages :)
masak PerlJam: touché. 19:03
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masak oh, and here's a reddit thread with people agreeing on how HPMoR "ruined" the original Harry Potter series for them simply by being superior. 19:21
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Ulti timotimo I got the bundle too, but FEZ is all bugged on my Mac ;___; 19:24
timotimo aaw :(
Ulti I'm assuming it will work under Windows though since its essentially an xbox, right? 19:25
moritz masak: have you read "luminosity"?
masak moritz: no -- is it worth it?
moritz masak: I liked it. It's not as rational-y as HPMoR
masak moritz: I don't have much of a connection to the Twiligt universe at all.
Twilight* 19:26
moritz masak: but I've at least seen parts of the first twilight movie, and got some ideas of the rest by proxy, and luminosity is refreshingly different
masak: at the end I thought "yes, that's how it would have happened" :-) 19:27
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timotimo Ulti: it's known to have some performance issues ... 19:28
Ulti: OOC, what kind of buggyness are you getting?
Ulti the backdrops to rooms when you go inside is translated towards the bottom of the screen 19:31
so you jump on things and the collision box is there but you have no idea what you are jumping on, or even where the door to get out again is!
timotimo oh crap :( 19:32
Ulti yeah :< 19:33
it doesn't run at all on more modern Macs with the Intel 4000 integrated graphics
which kind of sucks if they are doing an "OSX release" if it doesn't actually run on 99% of the computers that use OSX 19:34
timotimo >_<
masak moritz: I will give it a chance. 19:35
moritz: thanks for the tip.
moritz masak: let me know if/how you liked it :-) 19:36
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dalek ast: a851ef3 | moritz++ | S02-names-vars/variables-and-packages.t:
RT #74076: $OUTER::_ in a subroutine inside a loop
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synopsebot Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...l?id=74076
masak moritz: will do.
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moritz should download the newly-done early hpmor podcast episodes 19:42
dalek ast: 03d12d6 | moritz++ | S12-introspection/can.t:
RT #76882: calling methods with sub call syntax outside the class
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synopsebot Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...l?id=76882
masak wow. cascade bot output, and it's actually useful. 19:46
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[Coke] is to board the final leg to frankfurt. 19:48
*about*
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jnthn [Coke]: Good flight. 19:48
[Coke]: And see you tomorrow! :) 19:49
moritz [Coke] is coming to .de, and I can't come :/ 19:50
FROGGS moritz: I know how that sucks (not being able to come) 19:51
colomon moritz: we can hang out on #perl6 and bemoan our fates.
colomon will be helping host a 5th birthday party part of the time
[Coke] jnthn: it'll still be today!
FROGGS my youngest son my my wife used to be ill almost two years in a row 19:52
[Coke] FROGGS: ugh.
lizmat++ lizmat++
FROGGS [Coke]: he came three months early, it was hard for both
[Coke] makes sure he grabs an up to date rakudo.jvm before boarding. 19:53
FROGGS and if you thought: yay finally we got it, then one (or both) of them got ill again, and went to hospital
[Coke] FROGGS: I hope everyone is ok now.
FROGGS yeah, it is all perfect since march or so 19:54
[Coke] .tell lizmat I'm kind of dressed like a bald priest.
yoleaux [Coke]: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
masak now there's an utterance I didn't expect to see on #perl6 today...
FROGGS [Coke]: covered in aluminium?
[Coke] ... an American priest? (all black, banded collar. just missing the white wraparound.) 19:56
jnthn [Coke]: Just borrow the pillowcase from the plane and you'll be good on that too :P
[Coke] jnthn++ 19:57
dalek rl6-roast-data: fbab0bb | coke++ | / (5 files):
today (automated commit)
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[Coke] sadface: rakudo.jvm failed to run today. 20:02
I may need to start capturing the build output also.
I'll make sure we have a clean run again before the workshop ends.
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colomon is worried that some poor, unsuspecting priest is going to find himself dragged to the p6 workshop…. 20:07
ingy salutes o> 20:10
FROGGS o\ 20:11
timotimo [Coke]: would it be problematic to align the fields in the perl6_pass_rates.csv? 20:13
masak ingy: <o <o <o 20:19
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masak .oO( if it greets like a duck... ) 20:19
colomon: they would learn about Not Quite the Pearly Gates. :P
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jnthn > function omg($wtf) { echo $wtf . " bbq\n"; }; omg("beef") 20:33
oops 20:34
ingy looks like JavaShell
jnthn smells like meat! 20:35
ingy jnthn!
jnthn o/ ingy 20:36
ingy omg() { echo "$1 bbq"; }; omg beef 20:37
ingy PortGolfs to Bash
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ingy is working on something like RosettaCode that is focused on Idioms rather than Tasks/Scripts 20:39
with perl6 of course 20:40
masak could you be more specific about "with perl6 of course"? :) 20:41
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masak does it mean "of course, Perl 6 is on the list of allowed languages on the site"... or "of course, I'm implementing the whole thing in Perl 6"? :) 20:42
ingy masak: yes ;)
FROGGS "yes" 20:43
:P
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ingy FROGGS: was writing in Bash. Quotes not needed. 20:44
or maybe that was YAML
ingy can't stay focused, nanosec to nanosec
FROGGS I meant the quotes like in "lazer"
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ingy ah, I think you mean "La" "Zer" 20:45
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ingy double double 20:45
FROGGS might be the case 20:46
masak wow, PHP really managed to grab the ugly bits of Perl, while throwing away the useful bits, didn't it? :/ 20:47
FROGGS hehe
masak like, keep sigils, but only the $ sigil. :(
FROGGS well, at least this one does not change
preg_match('/^.$/', ...) # shudder
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timotimo :D 20:48
FROGGS and operator precedence is insane too, dunno where they got that from
lee_ i always wondered why the delimiters are required in PHP, if it's all just a string
FROGGS lee_: nobody knows *g*
lee_ hehe 20:49
masak I'm sorry. I forgot that talking about PHP makes me incredibly depressed. I apologise for bringing it up.
lee_ even the implementers don't know, i'm sure
timotimo can you use any delimiter you want?
inside that string?
FROGGS not sure
lee_ yes
timotimo at least!
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lue masak: think happy thoughts of Camelia casting shadows over all the other languages. 20:52
masak lue: when Camelia casts shadows over other languages, the other languages light up :) 20:53
lue so they can still see in the darkness, sure. :)
masak .oO( Perl 6 is the ingy of programming languages ) 20:54
FROGGS Perl 6 is naked? 20:55
PerlJam Perl 6 is responsible for YAML? 20:57
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ingy Perl 6 (like me) is only *partially* responsible for YAML 20:58
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ingy YAML: The Bad Parts™ -- Ingy döt Net 20:59
ingy has *no* time to write this future O'Reilly gem! 21:00
diakopter FROGGS: I can see Camelia's clothes; she's wearing an asteroid belt 21:04
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lue So that's where the Kuiper belt went. 21:14
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ingy is there a POD grammar in p6g? 21:23
FROGGS yes 21:24
ingy great!
FROGGS github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...r.nqp#L487 21:25
lizmat gnight #perl6! 21:27
yoleaux 19:54Z <[Coke]> lizmat: I'm kind of dressed like a bald priest.
masak tadzik++ # Pod
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masak ingy: by the way, it's "POD" for Perl 5, and "Pod" for Perl 6. 21:27
ingy seems like something that would be useful in its own grammar
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ingy masak: lowercase is the future 21:28
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masak definitely. if COBOL had been invented in 2013, it'd been called "iCobol". 21:29
ingy has been tending to lowercase filenames like readme and changes and manifest
Makefile is messing with me, though!
modern shell envs don't sort README to the top 21:30
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ingy FROGGS: thx, btw 21:31
FROGGS you're welcome 21:32
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TimToady maybe we should rename README to ABRACADABRA or some such 21:53
diakopter DRINKME 21:54
TimToady AARDVARK would sort before either of those 21:55
or name it 600DBEE8 and see if people mistake it for goodbeer 21:58
masak wouldn't
diakopter booed bieber maybe 21:59
TimToady okay, just name the file ^A if you really want it to sort to the front...
donaldh 1ST_README 22:00
TimToady 0TH_README
donaldh 0H_PLEEZ_README 22:01
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masak 0H_GOD_NOT_ANOTHER_README 22:03
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masak 0H_PLEASE_KILL_ME_NOW_BEFORE_I_READ_ANOTHER_USELESS_README 22:03
flussence the only safe answer is to make a directory named ^A and put the readme in there, to catch people who use dirs-first sorting... 22:09
ingy flussence++ 22:10
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ingy or follow the lead of git.git and put a grillion things at the top level 22:11
readme-if-you-can-findme
flussence
.oO( unimportant files can go in a directory named .🐱 )
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masak congratulations-you-finally-found-the-actual-readme-file
hahaha-disregard-that-this-is-the-actual-readme-file
those-other-files-are-full-of-lies-this-is-the-authentic-readme-file 22:13
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ingy r: say "🐱".lc 22:15
camelia rakudo 69c3cc: OUTPUT«🐱␤»
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masak .oO( you can't lowercase ignorance! ) 22:19
jnthn
.oO( I'm going to go on believing I can! )
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ingy You can't lowercase german nouns either, iirc… 22:22
masak .oO( you can't lowercase "Ignoranz" ) 22:24
donaldh In NQP, can roles have attributes? 22:35
jnthn yes 22:37
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donaldh hmm, getting a NullPointerException when trying to use an attribute defined in role Perl6::ModuleLoaderVMConfig 22:40
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jnthn Hmm...but do we work on an instance of Perl6::ModuleLoader? I thought we only worked against the type object.. 22:42
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donaldh ah 22:42
timotimo is there a reason i should arrive a long time before the social dinner thingie? i can still get the hotel room after the dinner, right?
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masak is amazed the course even has a social dinner thingie 22:50
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Mouq docs.perl6.org seems to have an error with escaping links: doc.perl6.org/routine/prefix:<?> should be doc.perl6.org/routine/prefix:<%3f> 22:57
Well, bug
masak Mouq: please report it at github.com/perl6/doc/issues 22:58
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Mouq Well, or fix it myself … github.com/perl6/doc/blob/master/htmlify.pl#L26 23:02
donaldh has panda working on jvm 23:06
github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/208 23:07
Mouq donaldh++
masak donaldh++ 23:08
jnthn donaldh++
dalek kudo/nom: efac451 | (Donald Hunter)++ | src/ (4 files):
Implement absolute path lookup in ModuleLoader.
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kudo/nom: 628944c | (Donald Hunter)++ | src/Perl6/ModuleLoader.nqp:
Remove whitespace.
kudo/nom: 67c6fd9 | (Carl Mäsak)++ | src/ (4 files):
Merge pull request #208 from donaldh/abs-search-path

Implement absolute path lookup in ModuleLoader.
synopsebot Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Display.html?id=208
masak donaldh: merged.
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donaldh tadzik: github.com/tadzik/panda/pull/56 avoids LexoticException in panda 23:11
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donaldh thinks it's cleaner to use temp $*CWD instead of chdir and LEAVE { chdir $orig } 23:12
timotimo i think so, too 23:13
donaldh ==> Successfully installed Term::ANSIColor
timotimo ooooh panda on jvm 23:14
this is awesome
this is great news!
jnthn
.oO( <sing>donaldh brings the JVM star...</sing> )
 23:15
ingy where are you guys meeting up?
masak wow, panda on JVM!
that deserves a blog post from *someone*. 23:16
ingy would have to write the P6 blogging platform first :\
so you guys are in .de for??? 23:17
masak ingy: just use zblog :)
donaldh is happy to help
masak donaldh: if I could merge that pull request, I would. but seems I don't have the ackles.
'night, #perl6 23:18
donaldh also goodnight from me
jnthn 'night
ingy masak: what's zblog?
and what are ackles? 23:19
donaldh ACLs
permissions 23:20
diakopter access control lists
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timotimo the pull request works fine on parrot? 23:24
i'll try. i think i have ackles to merge 23:25
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timotimo fox business did a piece on github and they have a little dictionary on the side where they explain that "forked" means "edited code", pull request means "requesting edit rights" and a "reposotory" is a "big chunk of code" ... o_O 23:34
that's ... interesting
jnthn Looks fair and balanced to me... :P 23:40
timotimo shouldn't i be able to get the pull request just from fetching? 23:41
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Mouq timotimo: no, you have to fork before making a pull request to fork 23:42
timotimo yes! 23:43
no, wait
you have to make a pull request to get the permission to fork
Mouq .oO( Whoa, rakudo has over 10,000 forks! ) 23:45
timotimo for some reason the panda patch seems to up my memory usage by a whole lot or something 23:47
or something else is going wrong, which is always possible 23:48
jnthn 'night, #perl6 23:56

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