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jnthn Dunno. 1..Inf is just a range object, whereas 1...Inf is actually an infinite sequence. 00:02
jnthn notes that (1...Inf).Str just reifies a few elements 00:04
ssutch is it possible to create a class Attribute (rather than an instance Attribute) 00:05
(meta model)
ren1us jnthn: finally got around to posting the issue
jnthn ren1us: Thanks. Just in time for me to sleep ;)
ssutch: my $.foo
ren1us kinda embarassing to post code that doesn't even work in the first place, but whatever, greater good
ssutch im creating attribute programatically eg Attribute.new(:etc...) 00:06
jnthn Oh...
ssutch is that what the ContainerDescriptor does
jnthn Attribute in that sense is *always* per instance
my $.foo is just a method closing over a lexical
So you can actually create one just by add_method'ing something that does exactly the same. 00:07
ssutch i see
so to add an 'our' to a pre-composed class i would use add_method
jnthn Oh, if you just want an our variable you just stick it in the package's symbol table 00:08
I figured you were after an accessor too :)
Depends on what scope/visibility you want it to have, really.
ssutch i *think* i am. i want to be able to access the variables via the generated class eg VersionDummy.Version.HELLO
where HELLO is what im trying to add 00:09
jnthn But my $.foo and our $.foo just declare a my and an our variable, and then install a method that returns them.
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jnthn Yeah, that looks like a method call 00:09
m: class A { BEGIN { my $thingy = 42; A.HOW.add_method(A, 'HELLO', method () { $thingy }); } }; A.HELLO.say 00:11
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«42␤»
jnthn m: class A { BEGIN { my $thingy = 42; A.HOW.add_method(A, 'HELLO', method () is rw { $thingy }); } }; say A.HELLO; A.HELLO = 101; say A.HELLO; 00:12
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«42␤101␤»
ssutch for reference this is what im working on github.com/samuraisam/p6-pb/blob/m...nerator.pm
jnthn Ah, OK
Hopefully one of the above snippets helps a bit :)
jnthn -> sleep
ssutch yeah i think so
jnthn happy hacking o/
ssutch thanks jnthn !
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timotimo oh, i'm glad to see the lex2loc branch is being worked on again 00:44
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dalek -pb/sam/enum-gen: eae8500 | (Samuel Sutch)++ | lib/PB/Model/Generator.pm:
wip: enum generation
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dalek rl6-roast-data: 56e263b | coke++ | / (6 files):
today (automated commit)
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woolfy and lizmat just back from www.theo2.co.uk/events/detail/monty...ive-mostly and it was brilliant... even though not Monty Perl... :-) 02:12
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[Coke] woolfy++ lizmat++ 02:47
woolfy [Coke] : we saw the dead parrot sketch done live, flawlessly going over into the cheese shop sketch! And of course the sperm song, the pen*s song, Professor Gumby doing a flower arrangement course, and much more. 02:49
[Coke] I am extremely jealous. :) 02:50
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[Coke] m: say StrPos 03:01
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/jJtBQGcI0M␤Undeclared name:␤ StrPos used at line 1␤␤»
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ChoHag Interesting. Moar appears to share the same my value in a role with all consumers of that role, where java gives each consumer of the role its own copy of the variable. 06:04
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ChoHag Which is correct? What should the scope of a my or our variable declared in a role be? 06:05
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ssutch ChoHag: it probably depends, which may explain the discrepancy 06:11
definitely bring it up with jnthn/timotimo
ChoHag gist.github.com/ChoHag/adc790bc7ca00b245c62 06:14
Looks like moar is wrong.
ssutch ChoHag: perlcabal.org/syn/S14.html it seems to state that `my` instance variables should be per-class
ideally a test should be written to enforce this case
ChoHag I suspect it will now. That's clearly broken. 06:15
Also, the recent optimize patch doesn't build on (my) jvm. 06:19
Stage optimize : Error while compiling op cleardispatcher: No registered operation handler for 'cleardispatcher' in as_jast (gen/jvm/stage2/QAST.nqp:3947) in as_jast (gen/jvm/stage2/QAST.nqp:3110) in compile_all_the_stmts (gen/jvm/stage2/QAST.nqp:3910)
git blame blames jnthn. 06:20
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PotatoGim Hi~! 06:51
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ssutch night p6 07:06
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dalek c: 9ab09e5 | ronaldxs++ | lib/Language/classtut.pod:
Update classtut.pod

Rakudo now appears to support at least enough autovivification to remove this line.
The program below does the right thing and the examples appear to work without the initialization. perl6 -e 'my %h; push(%h<k>, "v"); %h.say'
That part of the code seems to date back to September 2012 or earlier.		 07:15
c: 7d5d908 | (Alexander Moquin)++ | lib/Language/classtut.pod:
Merge pull request #22 from ronaldxs/patch-1

Update classtut.pod
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Mouq Hmm... wut 07:29
doc's htmlify.p6 is dying on Moar with "Error while compiling op call: Local '__lowered_param_0' already declared
"
I might need to update to the very latest yet, but I'm heading to bed. I'll see if it persists tomorrow 07:30
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dalek rl6-bench: ed26cc9 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | / (4 files):
Add spinner minibenchmark

This is the first benchmark inspired by analyzing rc-forest-fire's overall slowness, in this case testing the performance of many small prints.		 08:06
rl6-bench: 26415de | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | analyze:
Fix alignment of text tables with summary scores
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moritz hi all 08:19
rakudo.org is hit by a comment spam wave
ribasushi greetings earthlings 08:20
moritz I've changed the settings to allow comments only from logged-in users, and put comments up for manual approval
\o ribasushi
ribasushi do we have some sort of .dot or something prettier that gives an overview of the current p6 type hierarchy?
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moritz ribasushi: aye, somewhere on doc.perl6.org 08:27
ribasushi: let me find the exact URL for you 08:28
ribasushi thanks!
also does it self-update, or is the list more or less static/settled?
moritz it's manually updated now and then
ribasushi if you can eyeball it and tell me it matches reality somewhat I'd appreciate it 08:29
(once you find the link that is :)
moritz doc.perl6.org/images/type-graph-Any.svg not perfect, but it should contain most types 08:30
black = class, blue = role
and yes, eyeballed postively
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ribasushi moritz++ # helpful 08:32
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ribasushi unrelated question 08:36
[email@hidden.address] is bouncing, anyone knows email/twitter/facebook/whatever ?
FROGGS__ ribasushi: I only can provide this: github.com/sorear - he's somewhat active there 08:43
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FROGGS__ but hmmm, you cannot write him directly as it seems 08:44
ribasushi sorry false alarm, realized it's not his first-come that we are looking for
headdesk
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masak ante', '#perl6 08:50
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ribasushi masak: idgi 08:52
masak ribasushi: needed a name for that unnamed period between morning and noon. 08:53
ribasushi: finally settled (with help from moritz++) on "antenoon".
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isBEKaml_mobile1 masak: for a moment, I thought you were prodding #perl6. As in, "up the ante!" 09:02
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jnthn ChoHag: ebd31662e also contained an NQP_REVISION bump; if you'd run Configure.pl again after pulling it shoulda told you that you needed to get it to build an updated NQP. 09:32
ChoHag Oh. 09:33
I tried just make for such a small patch.
Well it was a quickie anyway to see if a patch had been pulled in to fix this: gist.github.com/ChoHag/adc790bc7ca00b245c62 09:34
Which on further digging appears to be not new, but anyway when I saw git pull such a tiny patch I just hit make.
And then since the changes didn't look useful - left it to look at later. 09:35
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dalek ast: 41ed3d1 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-str/split-simple.t:
Use subtest for clarity

Still not sure why the last test fails, and why the todo is not working		 09:49
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masak isBEKaml_mobile1: that's certainly a possible interpretation. :) 09:58
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isBEKaml_mobile masak: don't know, I just get confused a lot. :) 10:01
masak well, confusion is a prerequisite for learning. so you're not doing too badly ;) 10:02
isBEKaml_mobile Ehh, I thought it was curiosity... 10:03
masak that's another prerequisite, for sure.
my point is, if you're dead sure all the time, your glass is full and you can't take new stuff in.
isBEKaml_mobile Ah, the old zen tale 10:04
masak confusion is like the space allowed for new knowledge. curiosity is the negative pressure that sucks it in.
or something.
isBEKaml_mobile That'd be too boring if we are dead sure all the time. 10:05
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masak I think the comfort zone comes in here as well. 10:05
the zone right outside of the comfort zone is ideal for learning. 10:06
too far away, and confusion/curiosity turns into chaos and panic.
too far into the comfort zone, and we never have any new impressions to learn from.
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isBEKaml_mobile Yeah, I remember reading something like that recently 10:06
masak that's actually one of the things that makes good TDD work, too. having on average half a failing test all the time puts us close to the comfort zone, but slightly outside of it. 10:07
isBEKaml_mobile Hmm, I don't follow TDD, although it's good if you have a test base. 10:09
masak testing the core domain is awesome.
tests rock.
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isBEKaml_mobile It's impossible if you have a really old codebase, or something that's quite mature in production. In that case, you'd just be looking at a lot if 10:11
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isBEKaml_mobile *of holes in your tests. 10:11
masak s/impossible/a very gnarly and interesting challenge/ 10:12
isBEKaml_mobile Here, tests turn into a time sink. 10:13
masak I hear you. 10:15
that's why I said "core domain" above. there are some things that are worth testing, because if they break during maintenance, you really *really* want to know before (say) your customers do.
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isBEKaml_mobile Yes, *some*. I actually tried isolating some portions of the codebase I work on to write tests for. I wound up throwing them all away because it was one hairy ball to unravel. :) 10:19
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masak cf. "gnarly and interesting challenge" 10:20
isBEKaml_mobile Yes, not very surprising.
masak I've always wanted to try martinfowler.com/bliki/StranglerApplication.html -- but I haven't yet, not for a bigger code base. 10:25
jnthn Be careful what you wish for. :) 10:27
masak ;)
alright, I wish to get to do this and *succeed*, fsvo success.
isBEKaml_mobile masak: if you're consulting, you may definitely come across some codebase like that. :) 10:31
Then, good luck convincing clients about the strangler approach. ;)
masak aye. therein lies the rub. 10:33
I've successfully used tests to shake out bugs in legacy codebases. 10:34
but as usual, it's mostly a people problem -- developers who never wrote tests won't begin doing so overnight.
isBEKaml_mobile Correct. Habits are hard to break. Or some people are just too confident about their skills. :D 10:41
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masak cue the picture where the guy with the round wheel suggests to use it, but the people hauling something on a square-wheel cart says "no thanks, we're too busy to try new stuff". 11:18
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sergot hi all o/ 12:21
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masak hi sergocie! \o 12:24
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psch hi #perl6 12:31
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ChoHag "Too busy to try new stuff" 12:36
I love that excuse.
masak yeah, I know.
it's a balance, as everything else. 12:37
ChoHag "I am so busy wasting time that I don't have time to save time."
masak and I suspect the excuse is used when the person genuinely doesn't see the point of the proposed round wheel.
and (without further background data) they might even be right!
ChoHag Or more worringly, when they do, but don't want to shake up their carefully constructed house of cards belief system. 12:38
Self-consorship is a horrible thing.
masak there's that, too.
ChoHag: do you have a Perl 5 background, or did I just dream that?
ChoHag I do.
And others going back beyond that, but nothing of any particular significance happened after perl 5. 12:39
Lots brassware polishing - take brassware as you will - though.
Well, I learned awk _after_ I learned perl, but that's just detail.
masak :) 12:40
ChoHag: have you done a lot of legacy maintenance?
ChoHag Why do you ask?
I'm a system administrator.
masak ChoHag: I just realized I haven't really asked about your background, and you seem to become something of a regular.
ChoHag: if you're a regular at YAPCs, we've probably met. 12:41
ChoHag I have never been.
dalek p: 0860fab | jnthn++ | src/vm/moar/QAST/QASTOperationsMAST.nqp:
Ensure we decont into a fresh register.

In cases where we actually get a register that is persistent (such as holding a local that a lexical was lowered into), we should not go and ruin the variable.
ChoHag I've wanted to though.
Life gets in tha way. 12:42
masak *nod*
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dalek kudo/lex2loc: cc9d4d5 | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/Optimizer.nqp:
Don't lower dynamic variables.
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kudo/lex2loc: f480b71 | jnthn++ | src/vm/moar/Perl6/Ops.nqp:
Avoid re-using register when deconting.

The input register may actually contain the actual variable, now we do lexical to local lowering.
ChoHag Actually I've only really kept abreast of programming for a good while now. Programming got boring when I started doing it for a living (hence why I became a sysadmin).
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ChoHag Then during that time, Linux kept getting shitter... 12:44
smls m: my $not = 'd'; say ('a'..'z').join('').match(/ (<-[$not]>)+ /).Str; 12:46
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«abcdefghijklm␤»
smls ^^ How can interpolate a string into a regex character class?
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masak smls: I think the closest you can do is interpolate an array into a regex. 12:47
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masak m: my @not = 'd'; say ('a'..'z').join.match(/@not+/).Str 12:48
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«d␤»
smls that doesn't work in character classes either
masak no, it doesn't.
but if your array consists of one-character strings...
smls but then how can I match any character *except* what's in the array? 12:50
masak oh, sorry; that's what you wanted. I see. 12:51
m: my @not = 'd'; say ('a'..'z').join.match(/<!before @not> ./).Str
jnthn Factor out the interpolation of the array into a separate rule
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«a␤»
jnthn And then just subtract that rule in a char class
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masak m: my @not = 'd'; say ('a'..'z').grep(/<!before @not> ./).join 12:52
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«abcefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz␤»
masak \o/
smls jnthn: Creating boilerplate rules is not exactly conductive to keeing short regexes short :) 12:55
jnthn smls: I think a bit of extra length is justified when something unusual is going on. :) 12:56
smls masak: Why use an array? Scalars seem to work too (outside of character classes)
jnthn Becuase when you interpolate an array you're saying "any of"
It works like an alternation of the array elements 12:57
masak felt like a safer way to get the interpolation behavior you wanted.
interpolating regex strings felt a little too powerful.
smls but does it actually interpolate regex strings like in Perl 5?
I would have expected it to use the variable content as a single literal string 12:58
jnthn No, you'd have to say <@foo> for that
masak m: my $yes = "yes"; say "yes" ~~ /<$yes>/
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«｢yes｣␤␤»
FROGGS__ m: my $not = 'd'; say ('a'..'z').join('').match(/ <$not>+ /).Str;
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«d␤»
FROGGS__ m: my $not = 'd'; say ('a'..'z').join('').match(/ <-$not>+ /).Str;
masak m: my $yes = "yes | no"; say "yes" ~~ /<$yes>/
m: my $yes = "yes | no"; say "yes" ~~ /$yes/ 12:59
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unrecognized regex metacharacter < (must be quoted to match literally)␤at /tmp/_DCgEL3Mmu:1␤------> 'd'; say ('a'..'z').join('').match(/ <-⏏$not>+ /).Str;␤Unrecognized regex metacharacter - (must…»
rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
FROGGS__ m: my $not = 'd'; say ('a'..'z').join('').match(/ <!$not>+ /).Str; # timeout
smls jnthn: But is it really so unusual to match for characters specified at runtime?
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
FROGGS__ I'd say that <-$var> and <!$var> are supposed to work
jnthn smls: Compared to compile-time known char classes? I'd say so...
smls maybe when using it to solve traditional lexer+gparser usecases 13:00
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smls but for traditional P5 regex usecases, I'd say its not unusual 13:00
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FROGGS__ jnthn: can you give me a hint? an int32 in parrot is a smo but it cannot box an int... how do I check that it is a native int? 13:03
perhaps I should look at isint
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FROGGS__ ahh, I see :o) 13:03
jnthn Yes, that
FROGGS__ jnthn: you can already MoarVM/nativecast, and nqp/nativecast, and umm, zavolaj/nativecast :o) 13:05
review*
damn, I really sometimes a word
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jnthn a whole word? 13:06
:P
Does that cover all the backends?
FROGGS__ jnthn: I am working on the parrot version... 13:07
do I need ss.can_box & STORAGE_SPEC_CAN_BOX_INT at all when I check for ss.boxed_primitive == STORAGE_SPEC_BP_INT?
jnthn If the latter is true the former should be, I think. 13:09
FROGGS__ k, thank you :o)
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FROGGS__ the jvm port was easier than the parrot one funnily 13:10
I was hunting 20mins a imcc syntax error and the solution was to call the op the right way -.- 13:11
(was native_call_cast when it should be nqp_native_call_cast)
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FROGGS__ jnthn: the review is optional I think, I'm pretty certain that the code is okay 13:23
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FROGGS__ wonders why he gets "get_number() not implemented in class 'num64'" when calling nqp::p6box_n 14:10
timotimo because get_number is for int and not for double?
FROGGS__ get_int is for int 14:11
timotimo ah, hm
that's on parrot, eh?
sounds quite strange indeed
FROGGS__ aye
timotimo who needs to cast stuff to doubles anyway ... 14:15
FROGGS__ *g*
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arnsholt FROGGS__: From the error message, that looks like a Perl 6/NQP level error 14:30
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ren1us .ACCEPTS seems to be a relatively slow call. is that normal, and if so, is there a more efficient alternative? 14:36
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masak usually, .ACCEPTS is defined per type, so if you know what type you have, you can just replace the .ACCEPTS call with the code it would have called. 14:37
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timotimo what do you mean by "call"? invocation of the method or what the method does? 14:37
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masak for example, Str.ACCEPTS does infix:<eq> comparison. 14:38
ren1us i'm using it as a way to check if a given object inherits from a certain class
timotimo hm, do we already compile-time-dispatch if we have a method call on a WVal?
because that'd probably be doable much of the time, as smartmatches are compile-time-constant often-ish 14:39
masak timotimo: in the presence of things like 'but', can we really?
timotimo oh
well, "but" is no problem; "does" is.
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timotimo if it's a literal (for example a literal string) i don't think the user could "does" it without us noticing right away 14:40
masak oh, indeed.
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timotimo what about when we have a "constant", can we "does" it afterwards? 14:40
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timotimo m: constant foo = "Hi there"; foo does role { method surprise { say "surprise!" } }; foo.surprise; 14:41
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«surprise!␤»
timotimo :o
p6: constant foo = "Hi there"; foo does role { method surprise { say "surprise!" } }; foo.surprise;
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masak this feels like another of those "the *reference* to the object is constant; the *object* ain't" kind of things 14:41
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camelia niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Cannot use 'does' operator with an immutable object␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1536 (die @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1469 (infix:<does> @ 8) ␤ at /tmp/tmpfile line 1 (mainline @ …» 14:42
..rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«surprise!␤»
..rakudo-{parrot,jvm} fc4943: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
ren1us oh yeah smart matching is much better for what i'm after
masak ren1us: smartmatching calls .ACCEPTS
ren1us see that confuses me
just cuz of uh
prntscr.com/3zy00q smart matching seems faster, and that's consistent
masak `$lhs ~~ $rhs` is a simple delegation to `$rhs.ACCEPTS($lhs)` 14:43
timotimo ren1us: could you "say now - BEGIN now" instead? 14:44
ChoHag doc.perl6.org/routine/ACCEPTS#class_Any suggests otherwise.
timotimo i can't do subtraction in my head :P
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ChoHag It suggests that $foo.ACCEPTS($bar) is identical to $foo === $bar 14:44
masak ren1us: you got the order wrong in the .ACCEPTS
ren1us: <masak> `$lhs ~~ $rhs` is a simple delegation to `$rhs.ACCEPTS($lhs)` 14:45
ren1us oh derp, yeah now it's matching up 14:46
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timotimo it should; i believe the compiler actually generates the exact same code for both variants 14:48
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raiph does #perl6 agree that "itemized" is an unfortunate choice for what it describes and would best be replaced by some form of newspeak? 14:55
timotimo item'd :) 14:56
masak raiph: not really. 14:57
ChoHag It is, yes.
It has an s.
masak first off, I can't recall using the terms "itemize" or "itemized" so much.
jnthn If you mean "what .item does" then I think it (or its spelling with an "s" :P) is fine tome. 14:58
*to m
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masak if I had to guess, I say "stringify" and "boolify" at least 10x as often.
if there is any risk of confusion, one could say "put in item context" or some such.
timotimo the counterexample is that "[1, 2, 3, 4] itemized" sounds rather like "each of 1, 2, 3, and 4" 14:59
raiph dictionary.com: itemize. 1. "list the individual units or parts of"
masak *nod*
timotimo rather than "the list in an item container"
masak I... just don't recall using the term "itemized" very much.
timotimo i hear "itemized array" all the time, FWIW
masak is wondering where this sudden concern comes from
ChoHag I use it.
masak secondly, if it *is* in use (by others), I don't have much of a problem with it in the sense Perl 6 means. 15:00
ChoHag It is for lists and other types of groups where the more relevant object of concern is the individuals rather than the whole.
timotimo the whole itemized/listified/flattening stuff is quite confusing for newcomers
masak right.
psch clearly "in Perl 6, itemized means the opposite as everywhere else" is bad
raiph masak: I'm familiar with "itemize" and I've never seen it used in the sense that #perl6 is using it and always seen it used in the sense I just quoted above
timotimo "itemified" sounds just foreign enough to not evoke the same meaning 15:01
masak timotimo: fair enough.
what timotimo said.
ChoHag However, I can't find the term in use, so I can't
tell whether it's used correctly.
masak but I think the *concepts* of flattening and itemification etc are the big confusing part, not the exact meaning of a single word.
most languages do fine without these concepts. 15:02
Perl 6 chooses to have them because of some perceived features that come with having them.
ChoHag They are, indeed, confusing as hell. 15:03
masak they are confusing in Perl 5 as well -- but there, somehow, there's a smaller "core" of confusing, which has a learning curve but can be fairly easily described. 15:04
in Perl 6, hm. at least such a core hasn't really emerged yet.
timotimo in perl 5 you just say "oh, this is a hashref" and everything's fine 15:06
masak well, the flattening in Perl 5 also allows you to do things like `my @a = %h;` and be able to reason about what happens.
timotimo in perl6 that is problematic? 15:07
FROGGS[mobile] arnsholt: I just return make_float_result from nqp-p and box it
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masak timotimo: well, is %h in item context or not in that statement? 15:07
ren1us assuming i'm understanding what you're talking about correctly, as an annoyingly clueless newcomer, when I hear itemized, I think "Well of course the list is a sequence of items. What alternative would there be?" whereas if I hear 'as an item' I think "Oh, you're turning that into one item. cool."
FROGGS[mobile] arnsholt: without boxing it blows up on jvm 15:08
ren1us just my two cents
timotimo masak: ah, right, if you've bound something to %h with :=, that gets problematic, indeed
or can you actually do something funky in there without using := ?
masak m: my %h = foo => 42; my @a = %h; say @a.perl
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«Array.new("foo" => 42)␤»
masak seems %h flattens into @a, but as a list of pairs. 15:09
timotimo m: my %h = foo => 42, bar => 23; say (@%h).perl 15:10
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«("foo" => 42, "bar" => 23).list␤»
masak one part I always hesitate with (and often have to go through one compile loop to get right) is something like `for %h<foo> -> $thing { ... }` -- most of the time, that should be %h<foo>.list
timotimo i suppose that makes sense, as "pair" didn't exist in perl5
masak I still don't know if that's a Rakudo artifact, or the way Perl 6 is meant to work.
JimmyZ m: my %h; %h<foo>[]:push('ss'); 15:11
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«Unexpected named parameter 'push' passed␤ in sub postcircumfix:<[ ]> at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:2620␤ in block at /tmp/T12eOKpbq7:1␤␤»
FROGGS[mobile] masak: it is meant to not flatten in a for loop
JimmyZ m: my %h; %h<foo>[].push: 'ss';
camelia ( no output ) 15:12
masak FROGGS[mobile]: ok.
JimmyZ m: my %h; %h<foo>[].push: 'ss'; say %h.perl
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«().hash␤»
masak FROGGS[mobile]: which means I should get used to adding .list or @(...)
JimmyZ r: my %h; %h<foo>[].push: 'ss'; say %h.perl
FROGGS[mobile] or []?
masak ooh, or that.
camelia rakudo-jvm fc4943: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
..rakudo-{parrot,moar} fc4943: OUTPUT«().hash␤»
JimmyZ n: my %h; %h<foo>[].push: 'ss'; say %h.perl 15:13
camelia niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method push in type Any␤ at /tmp/FMXoeJH9z3 line 1 (mainline @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4595 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4596 (module-CORE @ 576) …»
jnthn JimmyZ: You're pushing to the List that [] returns, which probably just had %h<foo> in it.
And not keeping that list around anywhere. 15:14
JimmyZ hmm. 15:15
n: my %h; %h<foo>[].push: 'ss'; say %h<foo>.perl
camelia niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method push in type Any␤ at /tmp/cuhsthkh4N line 1 (mainline @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4595 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4596 (module-CORE @ 576) …»
JimmyZ r: my %h; %h<foo>[].push: 'ss'; say %h<foo>.perl
timotimo huh? but Any should have .push for autovivification reasons, no?
camelia rakudo-jvm fc4943: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
..rakudo-{parrot,moar} fc4943: OUTPUT«Any␤»
timotimo or maybe that's what niecza says for type objects of Any 15:16
rather than instances
jnthn Yeah, I tink Rakudo is doing the right thing here.
m: my %h; %h<foo>.push: 'ss'; say %h.perl
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«("foo" => ["ss"]).hash␤» 15:17
jnthn That's probably what mighta been intended.
timotimo yeah; with the slice in between, it seems kinda magical
jnthn Well, you're just pushing onto an anonymous list with it. 15:18
Which is not so helpful :)
timotimo i mean if it'd work, that would be pretty magical :)
jnthn Right.
I'm relieved it doesn't do anything magical :)
timotimo how are people ever supposed to understand perl 6 if there's *so much magic*! ;)
JimmyZ How do I visit the list :) 15:19
jnthn m: my %h; say (%h<foo>.push: 'ss').perl 15:20
ChoHag timotimo: Slowly.
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«Array.new("ss")␤»
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JimmyZ m: my %h; say ([].push: 'ss').perl 15:25
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«Array.new("ss")␤»
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lelf is there a way (proposal?) to lazily match grammar? 15:29
ChoHag We call it English. 15:31
timotimo %) 15:32
lelf: we want to have it at some point, it's to be found under the term "Cat", but it'll probably end up being a 6.1.0 feature
jnthn It's been discussed; there's a proposed Cat type which can serve as a lazy string. But I find it highly unlikely that it will make it into 6.0.
heh, great minds... :)
timotimo blushes 15:33
jnthn doesn't mention the "all fools" alternative analysis :)
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moritz m: say Cat 15:35
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/efiymMCZ1c␤Undeclared name:␤ Cat used at line 1. Did you mean 'Rat'?␤␤»
timotimo tee hee
ChoHag Oh yes that'll go down well at the pet shop.
carlin Rats and Cats 15:36
Is there an Elephant type proposed for 6.2?
ChoHag No. A butterfly was chosen to fill that role.
pmurias what's the current version of Perl 6? 15:37
yoleaux 6 Jun 2014 19:14Z <[Coke]> pmurias: Do you have a todo list for rakudo-js?
timotimo pmurias: we haven't put a version number out yet 15:38
we just do year.month at the moment :|
jnthn That's a *Rakudo* version, not a Perl 6 (language) version.
timotimo oh
of course
carlin Perl 6 0.something, and Perl 6 1.0 == Perl 6.0 15:41
timotimo hmm, that's problematic
version 5.9999.01? :)
ChoHag Can components of a version number be negative? 15:42
Or imaginary?
JimmyZ We have a version number in S02, S03 ...
like: perlcabal.org/syn/S12.html#VERSION 15:43
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geekosaur quaternion? 15:45
lelf apart from lazy strings, .match will have to be able to return partial matches, how will it look like? 15:46
timotimo good question 15:49
could theoretically look either like a supply, or values as Promises 15:50
jnthn Well, .match is already lazy when you use :g and so forth... 15:54
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psch jnthn: the two bits of code you pointed me at don't seem to get called; all i've found out by now is that require'ing instead of need'ing works 15:55
which makes me think my poking around in the ModuleLoader wasn't completely displaced
zengargoyle i have an ecosystem question about the META.list. all the urls are for raw2.github.com, but when i browse my repo i find urls for: github.com/zengargoyle/Text-Fortun.../META.info (the Raw button which redirects to) raw.githubusercontent.com/zengargo.../META.info 15:57
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timotimo we ran into trouble when we used those links, as there was a redirect in there that our ecosystem crawler didn't cope with properly 15:58
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zengargoyle i sorta saw that with the Raw button link, but the raw.githubusercontent.com/zengargo.../META.info one doesn't have redirection. 16:00
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zengargoyle i wonder if the actual non-redirect url has changed over time... 16:01
timotimo it could very well be that they juggled that around a bit
we'll notice when they get rid of the current way ... because new additions to the ecosystem are not going to show up and people are going to be confused
<html><body>You are being <a href="raw.githubusercontent.com/zengargo.../html>⏎ timo@schmand ~> 16:02
zengargoyle i'd have to look at META.list and *guess* that i could form a raw2.github.com url to get to my META.info, none of the links i browse from my repo actually lead me to a raw2.github.com link.
timotimo oh, you already saw that
i'm blurry on the details
zengargoyle so my pull-request to add github.com/zengargoyle/Text-Fortun.../META.info got not-accepted since it wasn't raw2.github.com. :) 16:03
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timotimo oh? 16:03
not-accepted by whom/what? 16:04
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zengargoyle nm, i get it now. looking at the ecosystem repo's update.pl script which uses `wget` i assumed that was what was doing the pulling of META.info 16:08
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carlin m: say $*IN.accessed 16:16
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«Failed to find '-' while trying to do '.accessed'␤ in method gist at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:12873␤ in sub say at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:13799␤ in block at /tmp/2UumlWQrVz:1␤␤»
timotimo someone on twitter pointed out that perl6 is going to be 14 years old in 2 weeks 16:19
should we be holding some special celebration or something?
carlin they grow up so fast
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timotimo at least you cannot claim we're being reckless by going too fast ... 16:33
rurban1 what is exact date for the 14th birthday? 16:34
the
cognominal :r my $a = 'a' say q:s|$a()| 16:35
oops
r: my $a = 'a'; say q:s|$a()|
camelia rakudo-parrot fc4943: OUTPUT«No such method 'postcircumfix:<( )>' for invocant of type 'Str'␤ in any at gen/parrot/BOOTSTRAP.nqp:1680␤ in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
..rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«Cannot find method 'postcircumfix:<( )>'␤ in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
..rakudo-jvm fc4943: OUTPUT«No such method 'postcircumfix:<( )>' for invocant of type 'Str'␤ in any at gen/jvm/BOOTSTRAP.nqp:1668␤ in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
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timotimo rurban1: there's probably more than one place to start counting 16:36
rurban1: did you see froggs' problem with get_number on parrot?
cognominal Why raludo tries to onterpolate a method withing a q:s|| ?
rurban1 no, where?
timotimo irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2014-07-06#i_8978700
jnthn cognominal: Well, you're calling that scalar. 16:37
rurban1 interesting. I'll have a look
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dalek rl6-bench: bbecc79 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | / (4 files):
Add rc-forest-fire-stringify mini-benchmark

This is the second benchmark inspired by the slowness of rc-forest-fire, in this case testing the stringification of an rc-forest-fire map from an AoA of cell states to a single string ready for output. This stresses array slice with repeated keys, join with many short elements, and either push or gather/take depending on the language.		 16:37
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timotimo rurban1: this is in the context of trying to implement nativecast; it is quite possible that froggs is doing something wrong, of course
rurban1 I only remember we removed support for number keys in hashes
cognominal jnthn with q:s|| ? shoult it only interpret scalars? 16:38
rurban1 a double as key in a hash
jnthn cognominal: It's behaving to spec.
cognominal: If you interpolate any kind of variable it implies "and postcircumfixes afterwards"
cognominal: Closure interpolation doesn't do that, so you might like to use that instead. 16:39
The normal way folks get caught out is <foo>$bar</foo>, which will treat the closing tag as a key into $foo... 16:40
cognominal for <div> {
say q:s< sub $_\(*@nodes, *%attrs) { Elt.new($_, |@nodes, |%attrs) } >
}
oops. s/say/EVAL/
I want a way to generate functions to create an HTML tree 16:41
jnthn That looks odd already in so far as the $_ inside .new would make a call to the sub, no?
cognominal I first tryied using sub ::($name) 16:42
jnthn But I'd probably just go with q:c and use {$_} to interpolate.
rurban1 FROGGS[mobile]: how to repro get_number() not implemented in class 'num64' ?
cognominal I don't like resorting to EVAL.
jnthn The bigger question is how you ended up with a num64 instance...
It's only really useful as a type object...
rurban1 I see. looks like a nqp problem, not parrot 16:43
ssutch is there any way to get "use of uninitialized value of type Any in string context" these sorts of errors to puke rather than just print
FROGGS[mobile] rurban1: I can't show it right now, I am about to implement something that triggers the problem 16:44
timotimo ssutch: "use fatal" is supposed to do that, i believe? 16:45
rurban1 FROGGS[mobile]: nqp branch nativecast, right?
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FROGGS[mobile] right 16:46
plus unpushed changes
(the actual implementation for parrot backend)
I'll push when kids are in bed 16:47
rurban1 okay
ssutch timotimo: where should that be put? the error could be coming from anywhere
timotimo hm, actually i guess "use fatal" is supposed to be lexical?
jnthn use fatal is also about fail, I thought?
moritz it is 16:48
rurban1 does anyone else having problems connecting to the irc.perl server? I only got access to freenet
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timotimo freenet? did you mean freenode? 16:49
moritz wasn't freenet a crappy ISP back in the days of dialup modems? :-) 16:50
fwiw I'm connected to magnet (irc.perl.org); haven't tried to reconnect
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rurban1 yes, freenode 16:50
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rurban1 but maybe mst just blocked me recently. he again called all german's assholes at YAPC, and maybe he thinks I'm german 16:51
timotimo he didn't mean that, though ... right? 16:52
rurban1 no idea. 3rd time in a row. I just left the room
only 5 germans in the room. In Madison it was 8, no idea how many in Austin 16:53
ssutch doesn't seem to matter where i put use fatal 16:54
timotimo hmm
m: use fatal; warn "hey!"; say "alive"
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«hey!␤alive␤»
timotimo probably NYI?
carlin m: fail "hey"; say "blah" 16:55
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: hey␤ at <unknown>:1 (/home/p6eval/rakudo-inst-1/languages/perl6/runtime/CORE.setting.moarvm:throw:4294967295)␤ from src/gen/m-CORE.setting:12881 (/home/p6eval/rakudo-inst-1/languages/perl6/runtime/CORE.setting.moarvm:sink:33)…»
ssutch p: use fatal; warn "hey!"; say "alive" 16:56
camelia rakudo-parrot fc4943: OUTPUT«hey! in block at /tmp/HDQ1Ku_5OY:1␤␤alive␤»
ssutch seems NYI might be the case 16:57
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timotimo yes 16:59
ssutch in either case is there a way to have it affect the entire program? 17:00
timotimo well, you can put something like
m: warn "oh gosh!"; CONTROL { die $_ }
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«oh gosh!␤»
timotimo m: warn "oh gosh!"; CONTROL { die $_ }; say alive 17:01
m: warn "oh gosh!"; CONTROL { die $_ }; say "alive"
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/Ft2tZKlYnC␤Undeclared routine:␤ alive used at line 1␤␤»
rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«oh gosh!␤alive␤»
timotimo er ...
moritz iirc CATCH and CONTROL have problems in the top-level 17:03
m: sub f { warn "oh gosh!"; CONTROL { die $_ }; say "alive" }; f
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«oh gosh!␤Trying to unwind over wrong handler␤»
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timotimo ah, that "properly" dies :) 17:04
i wonder if the die inside control is problematic?
moritz probably :-)
it seems to be cause problems here
rakudobug
r: sub f { warn "oh gosh!"; CONTROL { die $_ }; say "alive" }; f
let's see what the other backends do
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«oh gosh!␤Trying to unwind over wrong handler␤»
..rakudo-parrot fc4943: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
..rakudo-jvm fc4943: OUTPUT«oh gosh!␤oh gosh!␤»
moritz anybody has a r-j built locally, and can check? 17:05
er wait
it's parrot that times out
jvm is fine
p: say 42
camelia rakudo-parrot fc4943: OUTPUT«42␤»
moritz who wants the honors of submitting the rakudobug? masak? 17:06
timotimo it's probably infinilooping between catching and throwing 17:08
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moritz prolly, yes 17:12
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ssutch ah i just want to know where this "use of uninitialized value of type Int in string context" is coming from :( 17:31
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timotimo right 17:32
use parrot or jvm
moar is the only backend that doesn't give you a backtrace there
p6: say "Hello { Str }";
jnthn wonders why not...
ssutch ah, right, thank you 17:33
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camelia rakudo-parrot fc4943: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Str in string context in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤Hello ␤» 17:33
..niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«Hello ␤»
..rakudo-{jvm,moar} fc4943: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Str in string context␤Hello ␤»
timotimo er ...
parrot is the only one that does it*
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jnthn hmm 17:34
It looks like it was disabled early on... 17:35
...with the comment "backtraces busted"
But given they seem to work fine for exceptions...
timotimo ah, it's just commented out? 17:37
that's good :)
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jnthn Uncommenting it isn't sufficient, it seems :( 17:44
timotimo aye, you may also need to compile and run it 17:45
jnthn :P 17:50
Yes, I mean that isn't all that it needs
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carlin > Exception.new.fail 18:08
Segmentation fault
Only happens in the REPL
m: Exception.new.fail # no segv from a file 18:09
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«No exception handler located for catch␤ at <unknown>:1 (/home/p6eval/rakudo-inst-1/languages/perl6/runtime/CORE.setting.moarvm:throw:4294967295)␤ from src/gen/m-CORE.setting:12881 (/home/p6eval/rakudo-inst-1/languages/perl6/runtime/CORE.setting.moa…»
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dalek osystem: 2b62d7c | zengargoyle++ | META.list:
Add Text::Fortune
 18:51
osystem: f6ad39c | zengargoyle++ | META.list:
a non-redirect version
osystem: 9531512 | zengargoyle++ | META.list:
raw2 version
osystem: bcda5e1 | (Filip Sergot)++ | META.list:
Merge pull request #32 from zengargoyle/Text-Fortune

Add Text::Fortune
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sergot Can we give to zengargoyle a commit bit to the ecosystem? 18:52
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zengargoyle woots 18:56
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zengargoyle not sure of the why about commit bit question... 18:57
heh, about 20 years of Perl and i somehow manage a Perl6 module before a Perl5 one. 18:58
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dalek p/nativecast: 1fec607 | (Tobias Leich)++ | src/vm/parrot/ (2 files):
implement nativecallcast op for parrot backend

The op itself seems to work for all kinds or target types, but there is an issue with nums and strs in NativeCall when we try to box the return value of the op. Native ints work out for some reason even when the code paths seem to be identical.		 18:59
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ssutch i recall there being a more sugared way to do this @.args.map({ .build }) 19:02
zengargoyle @.args>>.build ? 19:03
FROGGS__ right 19:04
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ssutch ah, yes, thank you 19:04
FROGGS rurban: I push my stuff to nqp/nativecast, int/cstruct/carray/cpointer works, num and str does not 19:05
rurban: if you really wanna test it you'd also need zavolaj's nativecast branch (and also in moarvm, if you wanna compare)
zengargoyle thinks Perl6 is going to force me to figure out input methods for » unicode things.
FROGGS there is a 09-nativecast.t in zavolaj (NativeCall)
jnthn: what is so different between int, num and str? int works just fine in nativecast, the other two do not :/ 19:06
jnthn FROGGS: Dunno off hand. Maybe see sixmodelobject.pmc and see if there's something done specially for integers... 19:07
FROGGS okay
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added Test::Util::run(). Utilized in S32-list/roll.t
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sergot FROGGS++ 19:17
zengargoyle: why not then? :) 19:18
FROGGS jnthn: no, get_integer and get_number are identical 19:22
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FROGGS jnthn: in sixmodelobject.pmc .get_number the return value of STABLE(decont)->parrot_vtable_mapping is NULL 19:42
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Re itemizing. Maybe the method should be called .scalar instead. As it does the same as $(). And the call it 'scalarizing' 19:51
*then
dalek rl6-bench: 8f1cf84 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | microbenchmarks.pl:
Add create_and_copy_2d_grid_cross test; emulate cross for perl5

This is the third benchmark inspired by the slowness of rc-forest-fire, in this case testing creation and copying of 2D grids using for/cross e600ff5 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | microbenchmarks.pl: Add a rand microbenchmark
This is the fourth benchmark inspired by rc-forest-fire slowness, this time focusing on the performance of random floating point generation in the [0, 1) range.
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FROGGS liztormato: the naming os not the problem me thinks 19:52
is*
japhb_ jnthn, timotimo: The most important part of what dalek lost there is that you can now do `bench --tests-tagged=forest-fire time <compilers>` to get all the tests I have so far extracted from rc-forest-fire, including the original. 19:53
liztormato I got the impression it •was•. As itemizing to most people has exactly the opposite meaning as to how we use it in Perl 6 19:54
japhb_ English has a long history of words that mean the opposite of themselves. 19:56
liztormato My turn to drive&
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jnthn japhb_: ooh :) 19:58
japhb_: Getting a Perl 5.20 bench run on Windows was...fun
japhb_: The build process looks a good bit different.
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jnthn japhb_: Though I realized now that I have the timings for it I don't need to run it again. :) 20:02
FROGGS jnthn: do you have an idea how this can end up being NULL? github.com/perl6/nqp/blob/master/s...t.pmc#L175 20:05
jnthn FROGGS: No...or more to the point, I don't know how it ends up not being in the integer case... 20:07
FROGGS I'm checking that for the integer and string case now too, will know in 2mins 20:08
hmm, yeah, it really is not NULL in the integer case
and vt is NULL for the strings case also 20:09
jnthn I forget how it ends up getting set... 20:11
I think it's related to some is parrot_vtable trait
FROGGS /home/froggs/dev/nqp/src/QRegex/Cursor.nqp:696: method Str() is parrot_vtable('get_string') { nqp::substr($!orig, $!from, $!to-$!from) } 20:12
/home/froggs/dev/nqp/src/QRegex/Cursor.nqp:697: method Int() is parrot_vtable('get_integer') { +self.Str() }
/home/froggs/dev/nqp/src/QRegex/Cursor.nqp:698: method Num() is parrot_vtable('get_number') { +self.Str() }
ohh, there is a vtable handler mapping...
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zengargoyle sergot: it's hard to argue that logic... 20:15
japhb_ jnthn: Aside from changing how the Configure is run, how is a perl5 build on Windows different? 20:16
FROGGS I guess it is different than our build system
jnthn japhb_: I had to manually hack the makefile to say where to install it, for example 20:17
japhb_: Also it didn't build cleanly from a git checkout due to a build script having a line-endings issue
japhb_ Eww, no -Dprefix at all then ...?
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jnthn Not that I could see 20:18
japhb_ Double eww. I'm surprised that someone hasn't done the git magic to make the line endings work right.
jnthn Plus one other lib linking issue
So in other words a bunch of hacks it's hard to automate... :(
I also wanted at rakudo-parrot 2013.08, which has needed a couple of manual hacks, because our build system has changed/improved. :) 20:19
japhb_ Sheesh. I fully expected by this point Windows builds would Just Work. I remember when Gurasamy was working on it, and that was ... a long time ago.
jnthn (I've got a talk submitted on performance stuff, and I want to show year-on-year progress.)
(Of course, it may not be accepted but...always be prepared.) 20:20
FROGGS that also seems right... rakudo/src/Perl6/Metamodel/BOOTSTRAP.nqp:1017: Mu.HOW.add_parrot_vtable_mapping(Mu, 'get_number',...
japhb_ jnthn: When is your talk?
jnthn (Part of the year's progress is that we have MoarVM now; really what I'm going for is "what would the typical Rakudo user have used")
japhb_ (if accepted, of course)
jnthn japhb_: August 20th or so
japhb_ Ah, cool. Where? 20:21
jnthn YAPC::Europe, Sofia.
japhb_ I guess I should finish the work for history plots.
jnthn stroll, before it goes; bbs & 20:23
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ssutch m: my @a = 1,2,3; sub expr($a) { $a + 1 }; say @a.map({ expr($_) }) 20:46
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«2 3 4␤»
ssutch there are cleaner ways to do that im guessing
FROGGS m: my @a = 1,2,3; say @a.map(* + 1)
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«2 3 4␤»
ssutch specifically with the expr function 20:47
FROGGS m: my @a = 1,2,3; sub expr($a) { $a + 1 }; say @a.map( expr * )
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'Numeric'; none of these signatures match:␤:(Mu:U \v: *%_)␤ in sub infix:<+> at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:4199␤ in sub expr at /tmp/uBfNR9Dfp3:1␤ in block at /tmp/uBfNR9Dfp3:1␤␤»
FROGGS m: my @a = 1,2,3; sub expr($a) { $a + 1 }; say @a.map( expr(*) )
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'Numeric'; none of these signatures match:␤:(Mu:U \v: *%_)␤ in sub infix:<+> at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:4199␤ in sub expr at /tmp/OxHuabvIT3:1␤ in block at /tmp/OxHuabvIT3:1␤␤»
FROGGS hmmmm
ssutch heh :) those were my instincts too 20:48
japhb_ ssutch: I saw that you asked me a question yesterday, but by that time I was too tired to respond. Did you figure it out already?
ssutch japhb_: i made a pull req for the protocol buffers lib
japhb_ m: my @a = 1,2,3; sub expr($a) { $a + 1 }; say @a.map: &expr; 20:49
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«2 3 4␤»
japhb_ ssutch: You pull requested yourself? :-)
ssutch yeah, i wanted your input 20:50
japhb_ OK, let me see if I can get my brain back in that mode.
In the mean time, is the above use of &expr what you were thinking of? 20:51
ssutch if not, no worries, what i was after works but it may not be ideal
japhb_: yes thats what i was looking for
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FROGGS jnthn: that also shows it: 20:51
m: my $n = num64.new; say $n; say $n.WHAT; say nqp::p6box_n($n); say nqp::p6box_n($n).WHAT 20:52
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«0e0␤(num64)␤0␤(Num)␤»
FROGGS p: my $n = num64.new; say $n; say $n.WHAT; say nqp::p6box_n($n); say nqp::p6box_n($n).WHAT
camelia rakudo-parrot fc4943: OUTPUT«0e0␤(num64)␤get_number() not implemented in class 'num64'␤ in block at /tmp/A9TdV7zUuU:1␤␤»
FROGGS j: my $n = num64.new; say $n; say $n.WHAT; say nqp::p6box_n($n); say nqp::p6box_n($n).WHAT
camelia rakudo-jvm fc4943: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
FROGGS gah, go away jvm :/
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psch yes, it's a troublesome backend :P 20:55
FROGGS p: my $i = int64.new; say $n; say $i.WHAT; say nqp::p6box_i($i); say nqp::p6box_i($i).WHAT
camelia rakudo-parrot fc4943: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/TRHNZvGqL1␤Variable '$n' is not declared␤at /tmp/TRHNZvGqL1:1␤------> my $i = int64.new; say $n⏏; say $i.WHAT; say nqp::p6box_i($i); say␤ expecting any of:␤ …»
FROGGS p: my $i = int64.new; say $i; say $i.WHAT; say nqp::p6box_i($i); say nqp::p6box_i($i).WHAT
camelia rakudo-parrot fc4943: OUTPUT«No such method 'BUILDALLPLAN' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::NativeHOW'␤ in method BUILDALL at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:843␤ in method bless at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:835␤ in method new at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:820␤ in method new a…»
FROGGS m: my $i = int64.new; say $i; say $i.WHAT; say nqp::p6box_i($i); say nqp::p6box_i($i).WHAT
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«No such method 'BUILDALLPLAN' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::NativeHOW'␤ in method BUILDALL at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:847␤ in method bless at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:839␤ in method new at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:823␤ in block at /tmp/KM…»
jnthn wait what
FROGGS m: my $i = int32.new; say $i; say $i.WHAT; say nqp::p6box_i($i); say nqp::p6box_i($i).WHAT
jnthn you're not meant to do num64.new...
camelia rakudo-moar fc4943: OUTPUT«No such method 'BUILDALLPLAN' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::NativeHOW'␤ in method BUILDALL at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:847␤ in method bless at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:839␤ in method new at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:823␤ in block at /tmp/w_…»
jnthn Or any native type .new 20:56
FROGGS jnthn: I just want to have a num64 to play with
jnthn They're not objects.
If you get one, that's the problem.
Instances of those shouldn't ever show up
The type objects are the only interesting thing.
FROGGS because in nativecast you have to provide something that has bits, so you say cast(num32, $foo), and in the cast sub we box 20:57
jnthn Every other time the values should be stored natively
But then we box to Num
FROGGS jnthn: but I get a num64 back from the nqp op, and I cannot box it
jnthn Taht's the boxed type
FROGGS yes
jnthn Which nqp op?
FROGGS I want to, but it explodes
nqp::nativecallcast
jnthn Oh, and it's boxing a num64? 20:58
FROGGS nativecallcast allocates a num64 repr, aye
jnthn Yeah, that's not meant to happen.
FROGGS ahh
:o)
jnthn They aren't meant to serve as boxed types.
They're meant to serve as things that get flattened elsewhere. 20:59
FROGGS okay... then nativecallcast needs a third param
jnthn Sorry, didn't realize until now this is what nativecallcast was doing...
FROGGS np
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jnthn Well, that or it needes to obtain the appropraite boxing type... 20:59
FROGGS hmmmm, I'll check
jnthn (available through the hll config mechanism) 21:00
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FROGGS weird that nqp::nativecall boxes into these natives too: 21:03
*
* $2 is the type of result to build. It can be a null if the return value
* is void or can simply be discarded. If the return value is a native
* type, then this type should be capable of boxing it.
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FROGGS ohh no, it does not 21:04
jnthn I think we send Int in there, though...
FROGGS ye
s
map_return_type
ahh, it does not take the bit size information from the target type 21:05
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jnthn grr, rc-forest-fire and rc-man-or-boy-test failed to run at all on rp 2013.08, and rc-self-describing-numbers is taking forever... 21:11
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japhb_ jnthn: Define 'forever' 21:12
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jnthn "since I got back from my stroll" :) 21:13
japhb_ The "must have 3 scaling levels per test" rule tends to make slow tests even slower, as you get 7x the slow (1 + 2 + 4, under typical doubling-style scaling)
But you can tune that, if you don't care about the curves.
jnthn I'm not in a hurry :)
timotimo self-describing-numbers is a really, really slow test 21:14
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japhb_ hmmm ... running it locally 21:14
(I wonder if I mistuned the default scale?)
timotimo i already thought it's hanging twice before :) 21:15
japhb_ jnthn: Did you start the run before or after I added the 'rand' test, OOC?
jnthn Before 21:16
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japhb_ Oh yeah, perl5/v5.20.0 and nqp-moar/master both finished rc-self-describing-numbers pretty quickly, and rakudo-moar/nom is taking its time. 21:16
(Those three are now my 'canary' set that I use to test changes before pushing.) 21:17
timotimo that's probably some place we can get a good win out of getting rakudo performance closer to nqp
changes to what?
japhb_ timotimo: benchmark tests, build rules, components, ...
jnthn Is self-describing-numbers the one that starts with something like 0 xx big_number ?
timotimo oh, ok 21:18
japhb_ jnthn: 0 xx $n.chars. So logarithmically growing.
jnthn OK. I discovered xx to be quite horribly slow. 21:19
timotimo didn't you optimize xx with a constant lhs recently?
japhb_ But I wouldn't expect 0 xx 10, say, to be all that slow. Does it have a horrible setup time or something?
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japhb_ Holy cow, rakudo-moar/nom is really taking a long time! WTF ...? 21:20
jnthn On self-describing-numbers? 21:21
Yes, the overhead of 0 xx 10 is HORRIBLE. 21:22
I had a semi-rant about list being pessimized for eagerness here the other day because of it.
timotimo time perl6-m -e '0 xx 5000' 0.34user 0.03system 0:00.38elapsed
that doesn't sound terrible
oh, because i do nothing with it.
jnthn Try my @a = 0 xx 5000; 21:23
timotimo no, even when i say a @a that i put in, it's the same speed
how big are these numbers you're xx-ing the 0 with?
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timotimo 1.7 seconds for 50k 0s in the list 21:24
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jnthn Right, now try it with p5 21:24
timotimo ah, well .. ;)
jnthn If you account for startup time, it's some hundreds of times slower 21:26
japhb_ jnthn: re: semi-rant about pessimized for eagerness ... was the rant about Rakudo's implementation of the existing list semantics, or the semantics *themselves*?
Yeah, rc-self-describing-numbers is *still* running for me.
OK, clearly this needs a change. 21:27
jnthn Well, Perl 6 at a spec level has mostly been a wish list when it came to lists, leaving folks like pmichaud++ to work out a model that could provide them.
The issue at the moment is that there's little way to push context, or detinations for data, downwards.
japhb_ Finally finished with rakudo-moar/nom some 660.6x slower than perl5/v5.20.0
jnthn It got done here too on rakudo-parrot/2013.08 :) 21:28
japhb_ How bad is the comparison to perl5 for you?
jnthn Anwway, @a = 0 xx 100000 takes and resumes 100,000 continuations at present.
timotimo oh, ouch
japhb_ >.<
jnthn Not sure yet, it's still running.
timotimo it gather/takes those values? 21:29
jnthn Yes
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jnthn Thing is, even if we optimize continuation take/resume some more...we still shouldn't be doing 100,000 of them just to eagerly fill a darn array with 0s. 21:29
timotimo aye. 21:30
can spesh inline that and figure out the continuation is "worthless"? 21:31
only when we have escape analysis, aye?
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masak escape analysis \o/ 21:31
timotimo (i agree that that's not the right fix for this)
jnthn I've no idea. That sounds like some serious inlining...
I dunno how to do it off hand.
And worse
It's not actually worthless here
In so far as we actually do quite a bit before resuming it 21:32
timotimo (but it would be interesting to know if moar could optimize something like that in user code when it encounters it)
jnthn We make a new GatherIter instance.
timotimo we do?
jnthn And hand it back to the ListIter. Which then uses it to get the next thing.
timotimo oh, we take the continutaion, build the gatheriter and then the continuation is resumed a bunch of times?
jnthn So we're chewing thorugh 100,000 GatherIter object constructions too.
timotimo oh!
wow, that's harsh
jnthn Yup. And remember that it's a control exception throw too to find the take handler. 21:33
japhb_ I repeat >.<
jnthn When I saw how much we were doing per element, I was mostly like, "Ok, MoarVM doesn't do too badly at this" :)
timotimo yikes :S
jnthn We should just no way be doing that much work.
timotimo ah, well, with a for loop and pushing 0, it takes only 0.71 instead of 2.44 (for 100_000 items) 21:35
japhb_ Gah, having r-m 8-10 doublings slower than the nqp-m or perl5 makes it really hard to find a good starting scale that doesn't either give noise values for the fast ones or take forever for Rakudo
timotimo with 200k it's 4.86 vs 1.14 21:36
japhb_ for loops are probably still too slow -- compare with while/push?
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timotimo our for loops can be turned into while loops by now 21:37
japhb_ timotimo: Yes, but does that actually happen for the cases used in the benchmarks?
jnthn uh, for the range case :)
timotimo and the $_, $/, $! elimination can bring it a bit closer, too
this was a ^100_00 one
jnthn right
timotimo but yes, only that case 21:38
japhb_: i feel your pain with the start value problem :( 21:42
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dalek rl6-bench: 445d939 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | minibenchmarks.pl:
Reduce the initial scale for rc-self-describing-numbers *again*
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japhb_ Turns out I had already reduced that one once. :-(
timotimo yeah :S 21:44
lizmat is finally back home again 21:48
jnthn :)
lizmat the past week was crazy: Orlando, New York, Brussels, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Gent, London
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lizmat If it's Tuesday, this must be Belgium 21:49
looking forward to do some proper S11/S22 hacking this week
masak lizmat++ # proper hacking on synopses that are a multiple of 11 21:50
masak idly wonders what S33 is about
lizmat masak: I hope you're aware that in these parts, 11 is the crazy number
masak was not aware.
lizmat Mardi Gras starts at 11:11 on the 11th of November 21:51
masak all we have in .se are things like "the 11th hour".
timotimo hm.
lizmat if you're born on the 11th November, you have but one choice in life: to be the jester during Mardi Gras
japhb_ We have a rather different interpretation of 11/11 11:11 here ...
lizmat do tell? 21:52
lizmat realizes she once started S99, which is also a multiple of 11 :-)
japhb_ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_Day
timotimo after 99, the multiples of 11 don't look as cute any more in decimal ... 21:53
lizmat I'm pretty sure the end of WWI has something to do with it
japhb_ lizmat: yeah, see the link above ^
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lizmat japhb_: that's where I read it :-) 21:54
japhb_ Oh, s/I'm pretty/I was pretty/ ?
And I guess s/has/had/, just to make the grammarians happy
lizmat I mean that 11:11 on 11/11 is the start of Mardi Gras... 21:56
anyways, not important 21:57
looking forward to finally sleep in my own bed again
japhb_ Mardi Gras here ends up at a whole different season 21:58
I bet! (re: own bed)
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japhb_ wonders how Mardi Gras ends up on a not-Tuesday ... probably the same as how the U.S. constantly celebrates birthdays shifted around to make long weekends 21:59
dalek rl6-bench: a5d9765 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | microbenchmarks.pl:
Beef up any_equals and add a perl5 emulation using grep
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lizmat japhb_: it *starts* on 11:11 on 11/11, it *ends* 6 weeks before Easter 22:02
(aka, on Ash Wednesday) 22:03
only the last 5 days are generally full out partying on the street
japhb_ makes cartoonish brain-confused-headshake
lizmat the rest of the period, it is usually only in the weekends and in the evenings and in certain locations 22:04
in the past, they had to make it somehow worthwhile to be a catholic :-)
dalek p/nativecast: 5202e7e | (Tobias Leich)++ | src/vm/jvm/ (2 files):
add box target parameter to nativecallcast

We box into the object provided by this param, and query the already existing param for bit sizes we need when reading numbers.
japhb_ That sounds an awful lot like "We need an excuse to party throughout the long-nights period of the year"
lizmat guess who invented "Belgian" beer, like the Duvel and the Triple? 22:05
A: catholic monks
FROGGS A
lizmat (Answer)
masak definitely A.
FROGGS :o)
masak but beer can be a pretty spiritual experience. 22:07
especially Belgian beer.
dalek p/nativecast: 5661eee | (Tobias Leich)++ | src/vm/parrot/ (2 files):
add box target parameter to nativecallcast

We box into the object provided by this param, and query the already existing param for bit sizes we need when reading numbers. Also add a missing break in a switch case.		 22:08
woolfy There's also excellent Belgian single malt whisky, made by the same monks...
masak ooh!
I don't believe I've ever seen that.
dalek volaj/nativecast: cabc609 | (Tobias Leich)++ | lib/NativeCall.pm6:
simplify sub nativecast

We do not need to box the return value anymore since we provide the proper box target now. A call looks now like: nativecast(int32, Int, $opaque-pointer)		 22:10
FROGGS Push All The Things! /o/
jnthn: ready to merge I think :o)
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lizmat masak: it's called Gouden Carolus Single Malt Whiskey, it smells like a triple, it tastes and drinks very smoothly, and the aftertaste is the triple again 22:14
we now know of 2 places to get it, and at both places, it's only 1 per person :-)
*1 bottle
woolfy So since we are two persons, we now have 4 bottles. :-) 22:15
lizmat anyways, time to inspect the inside of my eyelids& 22:16
woolfy www.stokerijdemolenberg.be/benl
(the website might ask you a question about your age... if you are old enough to drink... answer "JA", which is Dutch for "YES")
FROGGS sleep well lizmat and woolfy :o) 22:17
masak lizmat, wendy: sounds very interesting. 22:18
woolfy*
anyway, 'night #perl6
jnthn japhb_: stupid question: what does bench compare output? :)
dalek rl6-bench: 0127224 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | microbenchmarks.pl:
Add array_set_xx test; add 'forest-fire' tag to it and any_equals
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jnthn oh, I see, once I fix it it outputs to the console 22:20
and how do I get shiny graphs... :)
japhb_ jnthn: Depends on which format you use; console is the default 22:21
you probably want --format=html_plot
timotimo ./bench --format=html_plot compare ...
woolfy g'night
japhb_ Did you find anything other than the perl5 build so far that required changes to run on Windows?
o/ woolfy, lizmat
(..., masak() 22:22
jnthn whee...it lives :)
japhb_: yeah 22:23
japhb_ heh
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japhb_ jnthn: PR welcome when you're ready. :-) 22:26
Speaking of which, ssutch: I'm still looking at your PR. My brain doesn't seem to want to shift fully into Metamodel Mode, so I may need to try again tomorrow. 22:27
jnthn jnthn.net/perl6/bench/2014-07-07.html is what I got, for anybody who is curious. 22:30
This is stock builds of Perl 5.20 and rakudo/moar HEAD, using MSVC compiler. 22:31
psch rc-mandelbrot looks great 22:34
psch doesn't actually think he makes much sense of these benchmarks
just like the jvm thing...
jnthn Yes, I'm curious about our beating Perl 5 on the mandelbrot thing... 22:35
I see I've a bunch of nice benchmarks to look at also :)
*new benchmarks
tadzik aren't they nice? :( 22:38
jnthn tadzik: Well, the typical thing we point people at the run Perl 6 these days has improved hugely on a year ago. 22:39
tadzik: But there's some notably weak areas that need a look. 22:40
*sigh* strings *sigh*
jnthn really needs to stop procrastinating the MoarVM string work
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jnthn Well, enough for today :) 'night 22:48
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japhb_ Good night, jnthn. Sleep well 22:50
psch night jnthn
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dalek rl6-bench: ffb12fc | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | bench:
Make --ignore-{startup,compile} Bool flags to improve help text
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