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dalek c: 5e0175f | seatek++ | doc/Language/regexes.pod6:
Added POSIX character classes

Didn't test *all* of them.		 01:29
synopsebot6 Link: doc.perl6.org/language/regexes
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travis-ci Doc build errored. seatek 'Added POSIX character classes 01:35
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/177192209 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/87c25...0175f0919d
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seatek dalek: exterminate travis 01:39
BenGoldberg Daleks only exterminate Doctors, everyone knows that. 01:51
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gfldex viki: on it 01:55
yoleaux 18 Nov 2016 22:27Z <viki> gfldex: FYI: github.com/gfldex/perl6-pod-to-bigpage/issues/5
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gfldex does anything speak against adding IO::Socket::SSL as a dep of LWP::Simple? 02:04
dylanwh I would argue for that -- HTTP pretty much means HTTPS these days 02:07
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travis-ci Doc build errored. seatek 'Added POSIX character classes 02:07
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/177192209 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/87c25...0175f0919d
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gfldex travis is happy with Pod::To::BigPage now so the next doc build should be fine 02:10
seatek don't make excuses for him. travis just hates me. DALEK!! 02:17
Xliff What is the difference between '|' and '||' in a grammar? 02:20
BenGoldberg m: use MONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL; BEGIN 'my $fourtwo = 42;'; say $fourtwo
camelia rakudo-moar bca0ae: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Variable '$fourtwo' is not declared␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3NO-EVAL; BEGIN 'my $fourtwo = 42;'; say 7⏏5$fourtwo␤»
Xliff seatek: EXX - TEEER - MIIIIIN - AAAATE!
Er.. *cough*... Sorry. I couldn't resist. 02:21
seatek happy happy! :)
gfldex | is longest token || is just or
Xliff seatek: joy joy! ;)
gfldex: Ah! I got it.
I think.
gfldex when it comes to grammars "I think" is pretty much the default :) 02:22
Xliff gfldex: In some cases, those can mean the same thing, right?
gfldex i think so :D
Xliff gfldex: LOL!
AlexDaniel well the idea is that you should prefer |, I think 02:26
Xliff Not really. 02:27
AlexDaniel but code blocks and other stuff actually work like if it was ||
Xliff "longest token" is important. Much of what I am doing wants "shortest token" which is "||" which has been what I have been using.
AlexDaniel ummmmm…
Xliff "longest token" I think is more appropriate to TOP, or something similar.
AlexDaniel can you show some examples?
because it does not sound right
Xliff By something similar, I mean a rule that encompases many other alternative subrules. 02:28
Look at DateTime::Parse.
The TOP rule there gives a good example of using "|" over "||" 02:29
Just took the gfldex's explanation to get the bulb to light.
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seatek I always use | instead of ||, and it always works, and i don't know why 02:34
looks like dalek finally took care of travis. excellent. 02:37
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Xliff EXX - TEEER - MIIIIIN - AAAATE! 02:53
(Don't blame me! seatek said "dalek" again!!!)
Oooh! 02:55
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQLbwOGT8e...abbitastic
And... with that... I'm done.
My point has been made. 02:56
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Xliff (Hmm.... I may have overplayed my hand.... ) 02:57
(That
(That last link might be a bit too....excessive)
seatek mmm. calming ambient background noise - thanks Xliff! 02:58
Xliff LOL! 02:59
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samcv seatek, you mean for regex? 03:31
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samcv or anything? | will compare and not specify what order the things are checked. but || forces it to always check the same way, | is not guaranteed and can be optimized by the compilier 03:32
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samcv hmm perl 6 regex section needs a part on the equivilants of things like \S which is <-ws> and \s which is <ws>. i think i might work on a section for that 03:53
or maybe it would go better in another section? anybody have any opinion on that before i start working on a PR for perl6doc?
gfldex samcv: all the details should go into docs.perl6.org/type/Regex 03:55
samcv ok thanks gfldex :)
gfldex, so it should go in type/Regex not Language/Regex? 03:57
found the pod page for the type. will work on that the next few days
seatek samcv, yeah i was talking about use as tokens in grammar actually. i always use the single | there. || i usually use in normal code. i had no idea about that distinction :) thanks! 04:05
samcv np :)
also it's the same for & and && fyi
at least in regex
seatek i had already lept to that wild and reckless conclusion! :)
samcv heh 04:06
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MasterDuke | is longest match, || is first match. so if you order your alternations from longest to shortest with ||, it should be the same as using | 04:13
AlexDaniel what's the list of exceptions for this, by the way? 04:14
seatek and what does "longest" mean in this context?
length of the regex? for processing? so that the fastest processing goes first? 04:15
or does it analyze the complexity of the regex... ;) 04:16
MasterDuke well, 'abc' is longer than 'ab'. i believe 'ab*' is longer than 'ab', but i'm not 100% sure
AlexDaniel: what do you mean exceptions? 04:17
PerlJam longest == length of the string matched.
seatek ah ok simple length - so it won't go so far as to place regexes with variables in them last necessarily 04:18
PerlJam well, not ==, but that's what it's referring to. Whichever alternation matches the most characters, wins.
MasterDuke Xliff: i was trying to recreate your MAST::Frame bug report, but couldn't with an up-to-date moar/rakudo. do you still get it? 04:19
samcv that is true also MasterDuke as well
seatek, if you want to go into the rabbit hole: design.perl6.org/S05.html
most but not all info there is accurate
AlexDaniel MasterDuke: this kinda answers my question, but not completely: design.perl6.org/S05.html#Longest-token_matching
seatek no.. no i don't. i just escaped a rabbit hole. i need to get actual work done
i shouldn't be looking at this window 04:20
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samcv haha 04:20
seatek, "Since "longest-token matching" is a long phrase, we will usually refer to this idea as LTM."
PerlJam m: "foo" ~~ / fo | fo* /; say $/;
camelia rakudo-moar bca0ae: OUTPUT«｢foo｣␤»
PerlJam m: "foo" ~~ / fo || fo* /; say $/;
samcv don't you feel better now?
camelia rakudo-moar bca0ae: OUTPUT«｢fo｣␤»
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samcv :) 04:20
AlexDaniel m: "foooo" ~~ / foo | fo*? /; say $/; 04:21
camelia rakudo-moar bca0ae: OUTPUT«｢f｣␤»
AlexDaniel ah, f
seatek i do feel better. but it might be the cake
AlexDaniel m: "foooo" ~~ / fo | fo[o|oo] /; say $/
camelia rakudo-moar bca0ae: OUTPUT«｢fooo｣␤»
AlexDaniel m: "foooo" ~~ / fo | fo[o|[o|oo]] /; say $/ 04:22
camelia rakudo-moar bca0ae: OUTPUT«｢fooo｣␤»
Xliff MasterDuke: I will test. One sec.
AlexDaniel ummmmm
so, what's happening there? 04:23
Xliff Rebuilding
AlexDaniel why not foooo ?
PerlJam That might be an LTM bug. I dunno
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AlexDaniel m: "foooo" ~~ / fo[o|[o|oo]] /; say $/ 04:24
camelia rakudo-moar bca0ae: OUTPUT«｢fooo｣␤»
AlexDaniel m: "f12345" ~~ / f1[2|[3|34]] /; say $/
camelia rakudo-moar bca0ae: OUTPUT«｢f12｣␤»
PerlJam I would have expected "foooo" ~~ / foo | fo*? /; to match "foo" too 04:25
seatek pl yjsy
AlexDaniel ah my bad
m: "f12345" ~~ / f1[2|[2|23]] /; say $/
camelia rakudo-moar bca0ae: OUTPUT«｢f123｣␤»
seatek oops drunk i guess
AlexDaniel PerlJam: not a bug, we're just blind 04:26
PerlJam yeah, and tired. Long day and I just got off of a plane an hour ago
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PerlJam I'm still not grokking how "foooo" ~~ / foo | fo*? / only matches "f". That means the second alternation wins, but "foo" is longer than "f" 04:29
I guess I'm not clear on what it means for *? to "stop" LTM 04:31
anyway ... I still think it's a bug 04:32
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samcv nice seatek 04:50
you and me both. though maybe not that much. yet...
ugh i hate how i tell people about perl 6 and how great it is and they always tell me how old and out of date perl 5 is :( nobody knows it's a whole new language 04:51
well Perl 5 people understand, but seems only people that *haven't* been a perl programmer pass horrible judgment on perl 6
perigrin generally anymore people who haven't been a Perl programmer in the last decade pass horrible judgement on Perl5 too 04:53
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samcv yeah :( 05:32
TEttinger generally people who haven't been part of the Manson Family in the last decade pass horrible judgment on the Manson Family as well. 05:47
you can substitute a lot in thee
there
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seatek yeah it's weird how much the same perl6 is compared to perl5 - while still being very very different. it's more swooshy than pointy. more twisty than knotty 06:18
BenGoldberg wants a magic wand which is both swooshy and pointy. 06:20
seatek :) 06:21
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samcv Perl 6 "Inspired by Perl 5", oh btw we threw out 100% of the code. (based on a true story) 06:51
they should make a movie
will be just like those movies ‘based on a true story’ 06:52
seatek they'll have to cut the bit about the UFOs though 06:57
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samcv but that's the only true part :( 07:20
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samcv seatek, i.imgflip.com/1eg2l1.jpg made just now 07:25
:3
seatek :) 07:29
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nine Anyone managed to install HTTP::Server::Tiny on current rakudo? I get errors like "No exception handler located for catch" in the tests 09:55
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stmuk_ nine: works for me fine with rakudobrew of 2 mins ago 10:03
nine stmuk_: odd. Ok will dig some
stmuk_: oh, you'll never guess this: those failures are apparently caused by my prove6 wrapper script that does prove -e 'perl6 -Ilib' 10:13
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stmuk_ ha 10:15
"Tea CI is a continuous integration service for Windows developers, free for open source projects." 10:16
but
"Cygwin/Msys2 on Wine in order to compile Windows software"
:D
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moritz good morning from the other side of an unepected VM reboot 10:35
[ptc] mornin' :-) 10:39
moritz: how did the devops days go? 10:42
moritz [ptc]: very well. I had some interesting discussions with developers of tools that I use, with others in similar positions to mine, and so on 10:47
[ptc]: and I took home some ideas to pursue 10:48
[ptc] sounds productive :-) 10:49
when does your article appear in iX, btw?
moritz [ptc]: 01/2017
[ptc] I've looked a couple of times and haven't spotted it. 10:50
ah, thanks
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moritz it was scheduled earlier, but somehow got delayed 10:50
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[ptc] I'd noticed a couple of iX issues with devops stuff in them and thought that the article must be in there somewhere, but wasn't. Had thought that maybe I'd missed it somehow 10:51
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lizmat www.kickstarter.com/projects/14228...ing-perl-6 at 51% funded ! 10:54
weee
:-)
[ptc] yay!
moritz: thanks for the commit bit to community-modules. :-) I'm digging a bit in p6-test-builder; the docs seem a bit outdated, and I was wondering how one specifies the author now
moritz: then I can commit some patches to e.g. the README to bring things up to date 10:55
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[ptc] my guess was to mention the original author, and then add a note about the current authors being the community-modules maintainers. Is there a standard sentence that is currently used for that? 10:58
tadzik hmm, only one dead tree reward and already taken :( I guess I'll have to buy it afterwards then, and back it anyway for now :)
moritz tadzik++ 11:00
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moritz [ptc]: you're welcome 11:00
if anybody else wants access to the perl6-community-modules org, please let me know 11:01
dudz is this my chance to get access while they are up for grabs, my once in a limited time shot? 11:13
timotimo as long as you don't throw up mom's spaghetti on your sweater, go for it! 11:14
moritz dudz: no, it's a permanent offer :-) 11:16
dudz: but do tell me your github account name
dudz :)
dudzorg 11:17
please don't judge me by my activity
great :)
i'm part of a team :D
my first gang :D 11:18
moritz dudz: I've invited you to the perl6 org too (because I can)
dudz :D
thanks moritz 11:19
[ptc] next silly question of the day: is ufo still used? Should it be used? 11:20
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timotimo i don't see a need for it any more 11:21
moritz doesn't use ufo anymore
but the README is still great
[ptc] yes :-) I get the feeling masak had lots of fun writing it 11:22
timotimo yup 11:23
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stmuk_ ufo doesn't work anymore but has been usful when panda has been broken 11:28
moritz question for the CSS geeks: on perlgeek.de/blog-en/automating-dep...ivery.html what do I have to change to prevent the signup form from aligning with the lower edge of the left sidebar? 11:31
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[ptc] it's mentioned in several READMEs in the ecosystem, so I just wondered if the information was up to date. 11:31
maybe I should submit a few patches
moritz [ptc]: I guess it was just a template circulating at that time 11:32
timotimo sounds like a plan
[ptc] come to think of it, are there any plans for something akin to p5's Makefile.PL?
maybe I'm just showing my age, but there's something nice about being able to run 'make test', 'make dist', 'make realclean' etc. 11:33
stmuk_ and then deleting stuff not removed by realclean
[ptc] ... that's distclean, no? 11:34
stmuk_ maybe
mrproper!
[ptc]
.oO( make mrproper )
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[ptc] who is the copyright-holder of repos hosted under perl6-community-modules? Is it something like: Perl6 Community Modules Team? 11:46
just wondering how ownership/attribution/etc. works in this case 11:47
moritz I'd just write "The Perl 6 Community"
[ptc] cool, thanks! 11:49
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[ptc] retreats to his editor again 11:49
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RabidGravy okay that's weird, this is still working, but the rest of the internet isn't from here 12:46
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RabidGravy nothing that rebooting the router couldn't fixed 12:54
[ptc] anybody have anything against me merging the currently Wiki-based docs for Date::WorkdayCalendar into the repo? 12:57
the detailed docs are in the wiki on another repo and hence can't be edited by the community, so it seems sensible to merge them into the community-based repo 12:59
RabidGravy sounds good to me 13:08
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[ptc] okey dokey. Ta :-) 13:15
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viki moritz: *prevent*? Seems like it isn't aligning: i.imgur.com/4pyxPg4.png 13:47
(or did you fix it already) 13:48
oh that was like... 2 hours ago :) 13:49
viki mentally does 13:51
viki mentally does #mc_embed_signup form { padding: 0; } to avoid that irking misalignment of the signup form
moritz viki: I fixed it, sorry for not informing you 13:58
turns out there were a few clear: left and clear:both that needed removing 13:59
viki Ah
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moritz perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-6/2016-book.html it's official now :-) 14:17
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moritz lizmat: ^^ would be great if you could include that in the next p6weekly 14:19
masak moritz++! 14:20
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[ptc] moritz++ 14:25
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AlexDaniel moritz++ \o/ 14:26
short book to get people started, great idea! 14:27
RabidGravy moritz++ nice one 14:28
viki moritz: fwiw, the sign up form on that page shows no indication of anything happening successfully 14:30
(like it just goes blank after clicking submit)
moritz viki: uhm, do you use an ad blocker and/or noscript?
viki Yeah, I got AdblockPlusz
moritz I'm afraid ad blockers might block mailchimp
MasterDuke moritz++, btw, kyclark is also writing a book using Perl 6, www.gitbook.com/book/kyclark/metag...cs/details
viki Ah 14:31
OK
moritz MasterDuke: ooh, interesting, will link to it
viki moritz: hm, disabled adblock, but same result after submitting the form
Just goes blank
moritz viki: eeks. Does the form at perl6book.com/#signup work better for you? 14:32
viki Yeah, that one works. 14:33
Hm. I now see 3 "please confirm subscription" emails. So I guess the first form works too; it just doesn't say it does :) 14:34
moritz \o/ 3 vikis on my mailing list :-) 14:36
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[ptc] it seems I'm not a robot 15:09
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moritz poor you 15:09
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moritz docs.perl6.org/type/Array.html#(Li...ethod_from there are two methods "from" in here 15:10
and they seem to contradict each other
[ptc] moritz: the subscribe form didn't tell me that I'd submitted anything, however that could just be due to the adblocker 15:11
the subscribe email, however arrived :-)
moritz hates that stuff doesn't simply work :/
[ptc] moritz: oh, and ping me as soon as you need any more proofreading done
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moritz [ptc]: sure, will do. Thanks 15:12
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Herby_ \o 15:54
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viki \o 16:01
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timotimo moritz: "between his and mind project"? :) 16:15
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moritz timotimo: fuxed :-) 16:50
timotimo jesus christ, that change log is humongous 17:03
viki That's good :) 17:04
Especially considering a relatively small list of contributors for the release
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timotimo clearly we get more stuff done if we have fewer people helping 17:05
timotimo goes around kicking people out
viki :)
timotimo kicks himself out 17:06
phew, that's better
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moritz stmuk_: pl6anet doesn't seem to pick up my blog posts anymore; could you please look into it? 17:24
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RabidGravy eek just discovered that I've been running a rabbitmq instance on the internet with the default password for three years 17:38
I don't think anything untoward has happened
moritz at least you can't use rabbitmq to send spam :-) 17:45
timotimo so you probably got automated data exfiltration done on it 17:46
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RabidGravy yeah it could become the heart of a cracking botnet 17:47
timotimo were you yourself using it at all? 17:48
RabidGravy it's part of the radio playout system for futuremusic.fm 17:55
it's probably overkill for this, the message rate doesn't even blip 18:04
garu waves 18:06
yoleaux 13 Nov 2016 17:58Z <TimToady> garu: if you want to return multiple values from a function, you should really use binding, which will work argument by argument, rather than list assignment, which will flatten like Perl 5's list assignment
garu TimToady: thanks! 18:07
hi everyone! Is there a way to create a trait that bundles different traits or restricts type (but as a trait, not as a subtype)? 18:08
psch garu: traits don't consistently change the type they are applied to 18:09
garu: what are you trying to do?
garu psch: something like "has $!foo is awesome" having the same effect as "has Str $!foo is rw is required where { $!foo.chars > 10 } = "this is my default" 18:10
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garu how should I go about doing something like that? 18:11
psch garu: i don't think you can do that without macros
garu :( 18:12
is there a way around it? Or... how far can I go? can "is awesome" at least mean the other traits like "is rw is required"?
then I can wrap the rest in a subtype I think 18:13
psch i guess that might work 18:14
something like sub trait_mod:<is>(Parameter $x, :$awesome) { $x is rw; $x is required } 18:15
but you'd have to try and it might not work
timotimo needs a ! in the signature, too
garu cool, I'll give it a try, thanks! 18:16
timotimo for examples, see the core setting, i suppose 18:17
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garu can I do it the other way around, as a type? i.e. "has Awesome $!foo" meaning "has Int $!foo is rw is required = 15"? 18:19
psch i don't think so 18:24
the type of an Attribute doesn't know if the Attribute is required in the surrounding class
at least afaik
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garu hmm 18:27
what can I do to achieve something like that in perl 6 then?
can I... create my own "has", maybe?
like "class MyClass { awesome $!foo; } " and have $!foo hold whatever type/constraints/traits I want? 18:28
RabidGravy well you can over-ride the attribute meta class, I can't remember the exact involcation
garu I just want a shortcut for a type+constraints+traits that might be commonly used 18:29
RabidGravy you'd have to alter the grammar to introduce an alternative to 'has' however
garu not really attached to how it's declared as long as it's short :D
psch garu: NativeCall defines it's own 'HAS', which is an inlined native attribute
garu: maybe checking out NativeCall.pm can give you ideas
garu hmm.. thanks! I'll have a look! 18:30
psch (although hiding a bunch of things in one keyword seems kinda too esoteric to me :) )
garu meanwhile if anyone has any ideas, I'm all ears (or eyes in this case)
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garu I was hoping I could create a type or trait that would do all that for me... not really looking forward to implementing a DSL for this :X 18:31
psch garu: my point is (1) rwness is not a type-thing, so it shouldn't hide in the type (2) default values are not a type thing, so they shouldn't hide in the type 18:32
garu: i'll yield that having a bunch of Attributes that all have the same default and rwness would demand such a shortcut 18:33
but that's what i'd put into a macro i'd define in the scope of the class that needs it
unfortunately our macros aren't quite there yet, from what i know
garu psch: so the best fit for this would be a class-scoped macro, but they are not implemented yet. Got it! 18:34
psch garu: that's just my opinion, you might get others from others :) 18:35
mst the trouble with perl6 actually having this stuff as features is it makes it harder to run roughshod over the design like we all do in 5land
psch dunno, i think arbitrary MOP hackery still kinda counts as 'running roughshod' 18:36
i mean, sure, it's the intended way to do so, but it still messes up everything everyone who doesn't know what's going would expect 18:37
plus replacing %*LANG<MAIN> :P
err, %~LANG it was i think 18:38
ah, but we aren't quite there yet either it seems :)
m: say %~LANG.keys
camelia rakudo-moar 907114: OUTPUT«(0)␤»
RabidGravy there is a variable with it 18:39
geekosaur I thought that was still being considered speculative, because the original design wasn't flexible enough 18:41
psch honestly, i'm not quite sure how useful it is in general to replace arbitrary strands of the language braid with arbitrary other languages
i mean, i'm not saying it wouldn't be nice just for the heck of it, like, "from now on literal strings are in python syntax!" 18:42
but when does one actually need the current language in any part of the braid to modify it
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jnthn Trait application is just function calls, so there's nothing to stop you implmenting a trait that just calls trait_mod:<is>(...) a bunch of times 18:57
garu jnthn: interesting! 18:59
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RabidGravy actually I've got a trait that calls a bunch of other traits somewhere 19:25
psch m: multi trait_mod:<is>(Attribute \a, :$awesome!) { trait_mod:<is>(a, :required); trait_mod:<is>(a, :rw) }; class A { has $.x is awesome } 19:27
camelia ( no output )
psch m: multi trait_mod:<is>(Attribute \a, :$awesome!) { trait_mod:<is>(a, :required); trait_mod:<is>(a, :rw) }; class A { has $.x is awesome }; say A.new.^attributes[0].rw
camelia rakudo-moar 907114: OUTPUT«The attribute '$!x' is required, but you did not provide a value for it.␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
psch m: multi trait_mod:<is>(Attribute \a, :$awesome!) { trait_mod:<is>(a, :required); trait_mod:<is>(a, :rw) }; class A { has $.x is awesome }; say A.new(:1x).^attributes[0].rw
camelia rakudo-moar 907114: OUTPUT«True␤»
psch so, yeah
that works
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psch could probably still cobble default in there somewhere as well 19:27
m: multi trait_mod:<is>(Attribute \a, :$awesome!) { trait_mod:<is>(a, :default($awesome); trait_mod:<is>(a, :required); trait_mod:<is>(a, :rw) }; class A { has $.x is awesome("phoeey") }; say A.new().^attributes[0].rw 19:28
camelia rakudo-moar 907114: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Unable to parse expression in argument list; couldn't find final ')' ␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3>(a, :required); trait_mod:<is>(a, :rw) 7⏏5}; class A { has $.x is awesome("phoeey"␤»
psch orrr something
not sure about 'is required' together with a default though
geekosaur m: multi trait_mod:<is>(Attribute \a, :$awesome!) { trait_mod:<is>(a, :default($awesome)); trait_mod:<is>(a, :required); trait_mod:<is>(a, :rw) }; class A { has $.x is awesome("phoeey") }; say A.new().^attributes[0].rw 19:30
camelia rakudo-moar 907114: OUTPUT«The attribute '$!x' is required, but you did not provide a value for it.␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
psch right, if it still needs a value even with a default... 19:31
sounds like dropping 'required' is reasonable
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masak oh, and today's autopun spotting -- best in a while: twitter.com/xaprb/status/799661720440446976 20:44
(might have spotted that one before. but it's worth two spottings.) 20:45
mst heh, I just pasted that into shadowcat's internal chat channel 20:46
it is excellent.
viki masak: what's autopun? 20:49
psch viki: act.yapc.eu/ye2012/talk/4206
mst a pun that uses *and* mentions its subject, basically
psch not sure the lightning talk is online though
ah it is 20:50
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bxLi3Z8lG...oI9mzQUZw5
s/list.+$// # vOv
viki what's with the sound on that thing? 20:51
psch it bad..? :S
+is
viki Like an out of tune radio station lots of static
psch nah, out of tune radio stations don't have that kind of static 20:52
it's more colorful usually
this is just the loose jack kind of static which adds white noise
well, there *is* some feedback
point being, radio static usually is less... static static
but this static has a clear resonance frequency 20:53
viki can
viki can't watch that
mst psch++ # welcome to #perl6, where static analysis is always on topic 20:58
masak viki: like mst hinted, it's a joke that depends on breaking the use/mention barrier. 21:02
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masak viki: talk slides for that lightning talk are here: masak.org/carl/gpw-2012-autopuns/talk.pdf 21:04
'night, #perl6 21:06
psch i'm still bad at actually discerning what qualifies as an autopun 21:07
like e.g. twitter.com/aedison/status/800081718107639811
i'm not sure if that's just punny, or already autopunny
moritz I think that's an autopun 21:09
because it uses the concept it mentions (in the "I’ve already decided it means whatever I want it to")
geekosaur inclined to agree 21:10
it's not a *clever* autopun, but it is an autopun 21:11
psch right, maybe i'm hung up on "clever"
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garu psch++ # thanks for the examples! 21:36
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eisen74 anyone know of somone working on Perl6 ML module? 21:41
[ptc] masak++: great talk :-D 21:43
moritz oh yes, that was epic
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moritz m: say val('foo') 22:03
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«foo␤»
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seatek m: say so 'peel9' ~~ /<alnum>+/; 22:06
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«True␤»
seatek m: say so 'peel9' ~~ /<word>+/;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«No such method 'word' for invocant of type 'Cursor'␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
seatek m: say so 'peel9' ~~ /<ascii>+/; 22:07
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«No such method 'ascii' for invocant of type 'Cursor'␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
seatek m: say so 'peel9' ~~ /<space>+/;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«False␤»
seatek m: say so 'peel9' ~~ /<lower>+/;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«True␤»
seatek m: say so 'peel9' ~~ /<blank>+/;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«False␤»
seatek m: say so 'peel9' ~~ /<word>+/;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«No such method 'word' for invocant of type 'Cursor'␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
seatek m: say so 'peel9' ~~ /<ascii>+/;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«No such method 'ascii' for invocant of type 'Cursor'␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
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psch m: say so 'peel9' ~~ /<:ascii>+/; 22:09
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«True␤»
seatek oo
m: say so 'peel9' ~~ /<:word>+/;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«False␤»
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seatek should that be how they are to be used in the documentation? 22:10
if so i'll go change it
m: say so 'peel9' ~~ /<:alnum>+/; 22:11
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«False␤»
psch seatek: i don't know, but i'd like to mention that i'd like "did it" to be followed by the corresponding git-ref
seatek doesnt' work consistantly
m: say so 'peel9' ~~ /<:alnum>+/;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«False␤»
seatek m: say so 'peel9' ~~ /<alnum>+/;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«True␤» 22:12
psch seatek: note that <:...> denotes unicode properties, while <...> is builtin rules
moritz is there even a Unicode property 'word' or 'alnum'?
if not, maybe that should throw an exception...
seatek m: say so 'peel9' ~~ /<alnum>+/;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«True␤»
psch m: say "foo" ~~ /<:fizzlygoob>/ 22:13
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
psch we probably should throw on unknown uniprops, yeah
seatek it works :) this was taken from perl5's list of POSIX classes
i don't know what they ARE but i've been thinking of them like pre-defined tokens 22:15
psch m: say uniprop "l"
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«Ll␤»
psch that's somewhere in <:Letter>, i suppose
m: say "l" ~~ /<:Letter>/
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«｢l｣␤»
psch m: say "ó" ~~ /<:Letter>/
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«｢ó｣␤»
psch m: say "ó" ~~ /<:Number>/ 22:16
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
psch m: say "2" ~~ /<:Number>/
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«｢2｣␤»
psch m: say "²" ~~ /<:Number>/
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«｢²｣␤»
seatek m: say so 'efe9' ~~ /<xdigit>+/;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«True␤»
seatek m: say so 'efw9' ~~ /<xdigit>+/;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«True␤»
psch m: say 'efw9' ~~ /<xdigit>+/;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«｢ef｣␤ xdigit => ｢e｣␤ xdigit => ｢f｣␤»
seatek m: say so 'efw9' ~~ /^<xdigit>+$/;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«False␤»
psch so, basically
there's two kinds of things going on there 22:17
one is unicode properties, the other is builtin character classes
these might in some cases overlap
like /<alnum>/ eqv /<:Letter>|<:Number>/ # or somesuch
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psch but they are different things and don't check for the same thing 22:18
seatek do we have list of builtin character classes?
psch i'd guess somewhere in P6Regex
hm, maybe in QRegex 22:19
seatek yeah not there. that's actually what i was starting on with posix classes
oh qregex.. i'll check
moritz is it a bug that sub MAIN doesn't support coercion types?
dalek c: 045db37 | seatek++ | doc/Language/regexes.pod6:
Update regexes.pod6
synopsebot6 Link: doc.perl6.org/language/regexes
psch QRegex has 'method alpha' and 'method alnum' and a bunch more
m: BEGIN my @*ARGS = "5"; sub MAIN(Int(Cool) $) { }
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«Usage:␤ <tmp> <Cool> ␤»
psch m: say IntStr ~~ Cool 22:20
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«True␤»
psch m: BEGIN my @*ARGS = "5"; sub MAIN(Int $) { }
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«Usage:␤ <tmp> <Int> ␤»
moritz multi sub MAIN(Date(Str) $) { }; # perl6 date.p6 2016-10-01
psch m: BEGIN my @*ARGS = 5; sub MAIN(Int $) { }
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«Usage:␤ <tmp> <Int> ␤»
psch yeah that's probably because we kinda-sorta redo the MMD stuff and cheat around coercion or something..? 22:21
moritz: i'd consider the behavior as-is a bug, yes
moritz m: INIT @*ARGS = '2016-10-01'; sub MAIN(Date(Str) $x) { }
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«No such method 'Date' for invocant of type 'Str'␤ in sub MAIN at <tmp> line 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
psch assuming the BEGIN hacky above works out
i'm not sure Date(Str) is a supporte coercion type though
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moritz m: sub f(Date(Str) $x) { say $x }; f '2016-10-01' 22:22
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«No such method 'Date' for invocant of type 'Str'␤ in sub f at <tmp> line 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
moritz pity :(
seatek ah so qregex is in nqp stuff not in normal docs
psch QRegex is an implementation detail 22:23
because we need it to build NQP
i'd say that the character classes it exposes can be considered part of Perl 6, as far as they are tested in roast at least
(in general, writing docs should lean onto roast more than on rakudo)
i do recognize that doc'ing completely unimplemented features is kinda wonky, because we might not even know yet how they work out in practice 22:24
seatek i'll dig through that eventually then an pull out the character classes for the light of day
BenGoldberg m: class ApproxCounter { has $.cnt = 0; }; multi sub prefix:<++>( ApproxCounter $c ) { for ^$c.cnt { return $c.cnt if Bool.pick }; ++$c.cnt }; my ApproxCounter $c .= new; print ++$c for ^80;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«Cannot resolve caller prefix:<++>(Int); the following candidates␤match the type but require mutable arguments:␤ (Mu:D $a is rw)␤ (Int:D $a is rw)␤␤The following do not match for other reasons:␤ (ApproxCounter $c)␤ (Bool $a is rw)…»
BenGoldberg m: class ApproxCounter { has $.cnt = 0; }; multi sub prefix:<++>( ApproxCounter $c is rw ) { for ^$c.cnt { return $c.cnt if Bool.pick }; ++$c.cnt }; my ApproxCounter $c .= new; print ++$c for ^80;
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«Cannot resolve caller prefix:<++>(Int); the following candidates␤match the type but require mutable arguments:␤ (Mu:D $a is rw)␤ (Int:D $a is rw)␤␤The following do not match for other reasons:␤ (ApproxCounter $c is rw)␤ (Bool $a i…»
psch m: class ApproxCounter { has $.cnt is rw = 0; }; multi sub prefix:<++>( ApproxCounter $c ) { for ^$c.cnt { return $c.cnt if Bool.pick }; ++$c.cnt }; my ApproxCounter $c .= new; print ++$c for ^80; 22:25
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«12223333333333333334444566666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666»
psch BenGoldberg: rw'ing the wrong thing there :)
BenGoldberg Ahh, thanks :)
AlexDaniel m: say ‘abcdef, test’ ~~ /<ww>+/ 22:26
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«(timeout)» 22:27
AlexDaniel I wonder if it should be smart enough to cover stupidity of the developer in this case
psch AlexDaniel: afaik the synopses were explicit that <ww> (and <ws>) are already greedy *and* zero-width 22:28
AlexDaniel nah, it's fine
psch AlexDaniel: i'm not sure that sentiment still holds, but it seems like a trap more than like a "we die cause that's stupid"
DIHWIDT is a thing after all
psch & 22:29
AlexDaniel well, you get an infinite amount of zero-width matches, that's exactly what you've asked for :) 22:30
seatek it's nice to die spectacularly sometimes 22:31
AlexDaniel m: say ‘abcdef, test’ ~~ /[<?>]+/
and there are many ways to do it
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«MoarVM panic: Memory allocation failed; could not allocate 2052259840 bytes␤»
AlexDaniel ouch
not exactly what I have expected 22:32
seatek so should i open a bug on this posix <word> and <ascii> not working? Honestly, I wouldn't mind removing <ascii> from the docs...? do we need that even any more?
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seatek i suppose maybe for some obscure lingering things 22:32
AlexDaniel wtf is <word> ?
seatek \w
AlexDaniel but \w is a character, not a word 22:33
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seatek <word> is a POSIX character class, like a token, in a regex 22:33
like <alnum>
AlexDaniel why would I care about POSIX insane naming in Perl 6?
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seatek i ask myself that question about things all the time 22:34
AlexDaniel dunno, perhaps it's fine to add it if people expect it, but I have a feeling that it was not added for a reason
seatek it's already in there being used, that's how i ran across it, and was asked to document it
AlexDaniel for example 22:35
seatek it doesn't work by magic. someone put it in
AlexDaniel is <ident> a 1-char token or a multichar one?
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seatek ask them 22:35
AlexDaniel doesn't sound like 1 char, right?
m: say ‘abcdef, test’ ~~ /<ident>/ 22:36
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«｢abcdef｣␤ ident => ｢abcdef｣␤»
AlexDaniel and it isn't!
seatek only one i ever use from posix is <xdigit> 22:37
sometimes <graph> is nice
AlexDaniel “ascii Any character in the ASCII character set.”
seatek yeah that seems pretty much pointless 22:38
but maybe not?
old stuff
BenGoldberg /<foo>/ matches a regex token named foo. /[<foo>]/ matches a character which is a member of the character set foo.
I think. 22:39
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travis-ci Doc build passed. seatek 'Update regexes.pod6' 22:39
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/177335373 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/5e017...5db376bdf0
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geekosaur people do sometimes want to match stuff in the 0x20-0x7e subset (usually when trying to catch/fix mojibake) 22:39
AlexDaniel BenGoldberg: what is a “character set”?
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AlexDaniel [<foo>] look like brackets around a subrule to me 22:40
could be wrong
geekosaur I think that's supposed to be character class
named character class
AlexDaniel ok, example?
jnthn A naemd char class would be <+foo> (or <-foo> to negate it) 22:43
geekosaur m: say 'abcdef, test' ~~ /[<xdigit>]/ # where xdigit is one of the POSIX defined classes. in p5 this would be /[[:xdigit:]]/
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«｢a｣␤ xdigit => ｢a｣␤»
jnthn [<foo>] is just useless use of grouping 22:44
geekosaur oh, right, I am getting confused
AlexDaniel seatek: also, \w is <alnum>
seatek AlexDaniel: <alnum> i believe is a subset of \w 22:45
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AlexDaniel seatek: example? 22:45
seatek "crack_your_jaw" is not alnum
AlexDaniel m: say ‘crack_your_jaw’ ~~ /<alnum>+/ 22:46
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«｢crack_your_jaw｣␤ alnum => ｢c｣␤ alnum => ｢r｣␤ alnum => ｢a｣␤ alnum => ｢c｣␤ alnum => ｢k｣␤ alnum => ｢_｣␤ alnum => ｢y｣␤ alnum => ｢o｣␤ alnum => ｢u｣␤ alnum => ｢r｣␤ alnum => ｢_｣␤ alnum => ｢…»
AlexDaniel m: say ‘crack_your_jaw’ ~~ /<+alnum>+/
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«｢crack_your_jaw｣␤»
AlexDaniel it's weird, I agree 22:47
seatek according to perl5 docs, <word is> alnum' + Unicode marks + connectors, like '_' :
<word> is 22:48
AlexDaniel sure, but this is Perl 6 :)
if we want to keep it similar to perl 5, then yeah, maybe we can count that as a bug 22:49
seatek yeah well why don't you rewrite the regex engine then
AlexDaniel I wonder if there is any difference between <.foo> and <+foo> 22:51
jnthn Just checked S05; alnum is <+alpha+digit> and alpha "Match a single alphabetic character, or an underscore" 22:52
geekosaur and <.foo> should be <foo> without the implicit capture into $/<foo>
seatek it all works great guys -- it's just the <word> and <ascii> don't. everything else is beautiful 22:53
geekosaur (which capture is why the tests earlier output the match twice)
AlexDaniel geekosaur: and <+foo> works exactly like that? :)
geekosaur [19 22:43:44] <jnthn> A naemd char class would be <+foo> (or <-foo> to negate it)
which was correcting my earlier misspeaking
actually this confuses me, sounds like <+ident> should match 1 char 22:54
since it's using the charclass not the token 22:55
but
m: say 'abcdef, test' ~~ /<+ident>/
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«｢abcdef｣␤»
jnthn That's...interesting :)
AlexDaniel huh
ah no 22:56
geekosaur: ident is not one character
geekosaur if it is a *character* class it is not multiple. *tokens* can be multicharacter
er, stress slightly wrong there 22:57
AlexDaniel that's what I'm trying to say, it's not a character class
geekosaur ok then what about what jnthn said earlier
AlexDaniel now that's a good question :) 22:58
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AlexDaniel m: say ‘fooaBcdefg’ ~~ /<+ident -lower>/ 22:59
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«｢Bcdefg｣␤»
eisen74 my $FH = open $CSVFile, :r; 23:00
for $FH.IO.lines -> $line {
print "line: " ~ $line ~ "\n";
}
doesn't seem to be recognizing carriage returns
^M
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AlexDaniel committable6: stdin line one␤line two␤line three 23:02
committable6 AlexDaniel, STDIN is set to «line one␤line two␤line three»
RabidGravy you can set the nl when you open the file
AlexDaniel committable6: HEAD for lines -> $line { print "line: " ~ $line ~ "\n"; }
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/e995d08855a2371def...1310e4a074
AlexDaniel committable6: HEAD for lines() -> $line { print "line: " ~ $line ~ "\n"; }
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦«HEAD»: line: line one␤line: line two␤line: line three
jnthn .u ␤ 23:03
yoleaux U+2424 SYMBOL FOR NEWLINE [So] (␤)
jnthn AlexDaniel: I guess then mean \r as the line separator
geekosaur what do you mean bu "doesn't seem to be recognizing"? if you mean the lines you receive don't have ^M at the end from a file with ^M^J terminated lines, that is expected
jnthn Or could be what geekosaur said :)
geekosaur if uyou mean ^M is the line separator (like old MacOS)... don't recall if that is currently handled
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jnthn iirc, the default set of line separators is \n and \r\n 23:04
eisen74 I've tried both \r and \r\n. Still reads whole file as one line
my $FH = open $CSVFile, :r, nl => "\r";
MasterDuke 'any combination of "\n", "\r\n" or "\r" or any other Unicode character that has the Zl (Separator, Line) property.' according to the docs
geekosaur hm, trying to remember if there is a gotcha there
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geekosaur not with the reading, but with for 23:05
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eisen74 I am running on OS X yes 23:05
jnthn If you're having issues wiht \r\n something is weird, because that's certainly in the defaults (not to mention Windows folks woulda howled loudly by now :))
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geekosaur I did not say OS X 23:05
"old MacOS" is Mac OS 9 and earlier, pre-X
eisen74 Ah. ok.
AlexDaniel by the way, there is no need for .IO there 23:06
$FH.lines should work
stmuk_ pl6anet.org/drop/ has RC Rakudo Star 2016.11 source, mac binaries and windows binaries 23:07
jnthn stmuk_: Nice! :)
seatek stmuk_++ :)
lizmat stmuk_ ++ 23:08
eisen74 hmm. trying a few other things. 23:09
my $fh = open $CSVFile, :r, nl => "\r\n";
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eisen74 say $fh.get(); 23:09
tried different nl permutations and all still think file is one line. Trying a few other files but worked fine in Perl 5 23:10
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AlexDaniel m: say ‘_25cdefg’ ~~ /<+ident>/ 23:10
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«｢_25cdefg｣␤»
AlexDaniel m: say ‘_25cdefg’ ~~ /<+ident -digit -[_]>/
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«｢cdefg｣␤»
AlexDaniel m: say ‘_25cdefg25_25ho’ ~~ /<+ident -digit -[_]>/
camelia rakudo-moar 84ef8f: OUTPUT«｢cdefg25_25ho｣␤»
AlexDaniel I have no idea. This stuff is crazy, but at the same time it is quite useful 23:11
jnthn eisen74: Very strange... Out of curiosity, what does perl6 --version output? 23:12
But...I think everything has supported \n and \r\n going back years... 23:13
geekosaur m: say ‘_25cdefg25_25ho’ ~~ /<[+ident -digit -'_>/
camelia rakudo-moar e9487d: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Unsupported use of - as character range; in Perl 6 please use .. for range, for explicit - in character class, escape it or place it as the first or last thing␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3say ‘_25cdefg25_25ho…»
geekosaur er
AlexDaniel geekosaur: S05 starts with a great idea of calling this stuff “predefined rules”, but indeed talks about “character classes” a bit later. <ident> is just some sort of magic /o\
eisen74 Tried another file and it worked fine. This CSV export from Mac Excel is croaking perl 6 and Text::CSV. Trying to figure out why. 23:14
I haven't had this kind of error since Perl 4 old Mac files. lol 23:15
This is Rakudo version 2016.10 built on MoarVM version 2016.10
implementing Perl 6.c.
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geekosaur oh. so it probably is using ^M only :/ 23:17
open $CSVFile, :r, nl => "\r"
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geekosaur (because Microsoft still thinks Macs are in the 1980s, or something) 23:18
eisen74 geekosaur: that was the first thing I tried. No workie workie 23:19
AlexDaniel for $FH.split(“\r”) will probably work
eisen74 Going to re-export the xls to CSV and see what happens.
AlexDaniel I can reproduce it here 23:20
eisen74 AlexDaneil: bingo, that works! 23:21
AlexDaniel yea, I know, but that's not right
eisen74 Right, this problem breaks alot of stuff.
stmuk_ classic mac line ending was \r I think
eisen74 At least for anyone with similar kind of files.
AlexDaniel that's what I did: echo -e "hello world\rtest\rend\r" > testfile
committable6: HEAD say slurp tesfile 23:22
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦«HEAD»: ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/qQBW9vS0BZ␤Undeclared routine:␤ tesfile used at line 1␤ «exit code = 1»
AlexDaniel committable6: HEAD say slurp ‘tesfile’
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/f6b2ccaf53b4a75881...d17d2450ce
eisen74 So question is why is my $fh = open $CSVFile, :r, nl => "\r"; not working as expected?
AlexDaniel committable6: HEAD say slurp ‘testfile’
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦«HEAD»: hello world␍test␍end␤
jnthn eisen74: try nl-in => "\r"
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AlexDaniel committable6: HEAD my $FH = open ‘testfile’, :r, nl-in => “\r”; for $FH.lines { say ‘hello’ } 23:23
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦«HEAD»: open is disallowed in restricted setting␤ in sub restricted at src/RESTRICTED.setting line 1␤ in sub open at src/RESTRICTED.setting line 9␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/bSV1pMGf8a line 1␤ «exit code = 1»
AlexDaniel awww come on
jnthn github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...dle.pm#L24
It is nl-in and nl-out
AlexDaniel so the docs are wrong
eisen74 my $fh = open $CSVFile, :r, nl-in => "\r"; works 23:24
jnthn OK. Also good to know: nl-in can be given an array 23:25
eisen74 Yup, looks like docs are wrong. That's why it wasn't working.
jnthn So nl-in = ["\r", "\n", "\r\n"] would work
uh
nl-in => ["\r", "\n", "\r\n"]
geekosaur and now I am remembering some kind of argument over that because the spec said nl but the code did nl-in and nobody wanted to commit to which was right, or something dumb like that 23:26
jnthn geekosaur: I'm happy to commit to it being nl-in and nl-out
For the simple fact that an array of options makes sense for input, but not for output
eisen74 No problem. Just need to fix docs or perhaps update IO::Handle so it allows both. People writing modules are going to trip up on this. Text::CSV in particular
geekosaur I don't recall the exact argument, just that this was brought up multiple times and people just argued and nothing happened
eisen74 docs.perl6.org/type/IO#sub_open says nl not nl-in 23:27
dalek c: 0414020 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Type/IO.pod6:
There is no “nl”, it is “nl-in” and “nl-out”

nl-out is still not documented
synopsebot6 Link: doc.perl6.org/type/IO
jnthn Heh, was about to go submit an issue
AlexDaniel++
AlexDaniel nl-out is still not documented though 23:28
eisen74 Ok, will notify module author(s)
Who maintains Perl docs? They're incorrect on this point: docs.perl6.org/type/IO#sub_open
viki eisen74: it's community maintained. Submit a PR, if you spot an issue. 23:29
eisen74 k. thx.
viki eisen74: github.com/perl6/doc
AlexDaniel There's also this one: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/484
viki eisen74: in this file in particular: github.com/perl6/doc/blob/master/d...pe/IO.pod6
(for the URL you gave)
jnthn Sleep time; 'night 23:30
viki night
eisen74 AlexDaniel tagged it. Thanks. 23:31
dalek c: 5ade495 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Type/IO.pod6:
Mention nl-out as well

It requires more documentation, but just a quick mention will do for now
synopsebot6 Link: doc.perl6.org/type/IO
AlexDaniel eisen74: thanks for asking the question, by the way 23:32
MasterDuke another case of silently ignoring unknown named arguments looking like a bug (:nl vs :nl-in) 23:34
AlexDaniel what about this? docs.perl6.org/type/Proc#method_new 23:35
MasterDuke but compounded by the docs not being quite correct
AlexDaniel github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...roc.pm#L24 hehe 23:36
nl-out => $nl
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MasterDuke github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...roc.pm#L42 23:38
nl-in => $nl
cygx o/
AlexDaniel this does not look right 23:39
feels like it should have separate nl-in and nl-out as well
cygx re documenting &open, note that the posix-y extended open modes are also still undocumented
I still might have a branch for that lying around
I never finished documenting it because there were still questions to be resolved (nl-in/out, bin mode being broken) 23:40
AlexDaniel oh no, github added mass actions on issues 23:41
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viki Mass actions? 23:43
viki sees no difference 23:44
AlexDaniel viki: files.progarm.org/2016-11-20-01445..._scrot.png
viki Intersting. 23:46
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AlexDaniel anyway: #130136 23:57
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=130136
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