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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
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gfldex lolibloggedforcale2: gfldex.wordpress.com/2017/02/02/ca...-question/ 00:03
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gfldex WP tried to be clever again :-| 00:08
timotimo "Today cale2 refused to asked an easy question instead" what is this grammar %) 00:11
man, wordpress really is hell 00:12
gfldex i think i got it now
it ate a <pre> again :-/
timotimo yeah, and it ate at least one list between <> 00:13
in the @a.pick(*) example
and in the multi sub whatever case, too
gfldex i'm cleary updating it faster then you can read it :-> 00:14
timotimo could be
i find the last sentence of the post could be interpreted to be rather mean
and personally i'd have put a note about "multiple * in a WhateverCode make multiple arguments" or something 00:15
just a tiny hint
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samcv pretty is good 00:15
timotimo holds a pretty grudge
gfldex the last sentence is the best I could come up with to shoehorn a link to the docs in 00:17
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gfldex whereby WTFM works better then RTFM 00:18
timotimo "what the fucking manual"? :) 00:19
samcv wtf Manuel! 00:20
hobbs timotimo: I've read a few of those
timotimo oh manuel, what have you done this time
hobbs: pardon me, a few of what? 00:21
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hobbs what the fucking manuals 00:21
documentation with high WTF content :)
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samcv where's the fucking manual 00:21
gfldex there are write-only manuals 00:22
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timotimo ah, hehehe 00:22
samcv: where's the fucking manual, lebowski?
samcv docs.perl6.org
timotimo hm. you could totally make a gif out of that scene with that wording
gfldex i actually meant Write The Fucking Manual, what really works better then reading them
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timotimo "let me look again, i think the docs are somewhere down there" 00:22
hobbs clearly you're not a perl golfer 00:23
s/clearly/obviously/ 00:24
gfldex m: constant term:<ℵ₀> = Inf; constant term:<ℵ₁> = Inf; multi sub infix:«<»(ℵ₀, ℵ₁){ True }; say ℵ₀ < ℵ₁;
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Invalid typename 'ℵ' in parameter declaration.␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3t term:<ℵ₁> = Inf; multi sub infix:«<»(ℵ7⏏5₀, ℵ₁){ True }; say ℵ₀ < ℵ₁;␤»
samcv sub foo($a where * < 10) === sub foo($a where {$_ < 10}) ?? 00:25
gfldex m: multi sub infix:«<»(2, 1){ True }; say 2 < 1;
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«True␤»
timotimo yup 00:26
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samcv sub foo(*@a where {.all ~~ Int}){} 00:27
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samcv seems you can't do (*@a where *.all ~~ Int); doesn't seem to work right 00:27
TimToady m: say *.all ~~ WhateverCode 00:29
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«True␤»
brokenchicken m: say (*.all ~~ 'meow') ~~ WhateverCode
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«WhateverCode object coerced to string (please use .gist or .perl to do that)␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤False␤»
brokenchicken it ain't currying over the ~~
TimToady nope, it's one of the exeptions 00:30
brokenchicken don't need it in that particular case either, 'cause it thunks; (*@a where .all ~~ Int) should work
TimToady note it doesn't curry on the RHS either, or you'd be surprised
m: say so Int.ACCEPTS((1,2,3).all) 00:31
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«True␤»
TimToady can always write it like that 00:32
brokenchicken not with a *.all curry
TimToady nope, currying has to stop somewhere, and we never curry from inside argument lists to normal functions/methods 00:33
brokenchicken m: sub (*@a where Int.ACCEPS: .all with *.item) { say @a }(1, 2, 3)
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Malformed parameter␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3sub (*@a where Int.ACCEPS: .all with 7⏏5*.item) { say @a }(1, 2, 3)␤»
brokenchicken aww
Need moar parentheses
m: sub (*@a where (Int.ACCEPS: .all with *.item)) { say @a }(1, 2, 3)
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«No such method 'ACCEPS' for invocant of type 'Int'␤ in sub at <tmp> line 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
brokenchicken m: sub (*@a where (Int.ACCEPTS: .all with *.item)) { say @a }(1, 2, 3)
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«Constraint type check failed for parameter '@a'␤ in sub at <tmp> line 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
brokenchicken Oh well
m: dd so 42 ~~ (1, 2, 3).item.all 00:34
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«Bool::False␤»
brokenchicken I see
Is there an identity method. That just returns self for any object?
TimToady m: say 42.self 00:35
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«42␤»
brokenchicken doh :) It's .self :)
m: sub (*@a where (Int.ACCEPTS: .all with *.self)) { say @a }(1, 2, 3)
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«Constraint type check failed for parameter '@a'␤ in sub at <tmp> line 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
brokenchicken Oh well
gfldex where is .self defined? 00:36
TimToady m: sub (*@a where (Int.ACCEPTS: .all)) { say @a }(1, 2, 3)
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«[1 2 3]␤»
brokenchicken gfldex: in Mu
TimToady m: sub (*@a where @a.all ~~ Real) { say @a }(1, 2, 3) 00:38
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«[1 2 3]␤»
TimToady m: sub (*@a where @a.all ~~ Int) { say @a }(1, 2, 3)
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«[1 2 3]␤»
brokenchicken m: sub (*@a where *.all.&{Int.ACCEPTS: $_}) { say @a }(1, 2, 3)
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«[1 2 3]␤»
brokenchicken m: sub (*@a where *.all ∈ Int.Range) { say @a }(1, 2, 3) 00:41
TimToady that probably curries
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
TimToady however, it probably also flattens Int.Range 00:42
brokenchicken m: dd Int.Range
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«(-Inf, -Inf, -Inf, -Inf, -Inf, -Inf, -Inf, -Inf, -Inf, -Inf... lazy list)␤»
TimToady we don't really do infinite sets...
brokenchicken m: sub (*@a where .all ~~ Int.Range) { say @a }(1, 2, 3)
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«[1 2 3]␤»
TimToady that's why it's called "smart" :P 00:43
brokenchicken :)_
Geth doc: 1f1947b763 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Type/Mu.pod6
doc Mu.self
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TimToady m: say i ~~ Int.Range
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«True␤»
TimToady hrmmm 00:45
m: say i.Int
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«Can not convert 0+1i to Int: imaginary part not zero␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
TimToady m: say i < Inf
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«Can not convert 0+1i to Real: imaginary part not zero␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
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brokenchicken s: Int.Range, 'ACCEPTS', \(i) 00:47
SourceBaby brokenchicken, Sauce is at github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/7384...ge.pm#L419
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brokenchicken m: say i after -Inf 00:48
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«True␤»
brokenchicken That's why. 00:49
m: say i cmp -Inf 00:50
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«More␤»
brokenchicken hmmmm
m: say i cmp -42
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«More␤»
brokenchicken m: say i cmp 42
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«Less␤»
Geth doc: d4d9df69a9 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/syntax.pod6
doc term:<> (could do with better example)
 00:51
TimToady it shouldn't really be using cmp for that
cmp tries hard to work across types
brokenchicken s: &infix:<after>, \(i, -Inf)
SourceBaby brokenchicken, Sauce is at github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/7384...ny.pm#L479
brokenchicken Yeah, it's just (a cmp b) > 0
TimToady: so before/after should throw on Complex<->Real comparisons unless img. part is zero? 00:52
TimToady a numeric range should be using <=>, I'd think
brokenchicken m: say i <=> 42
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«Can not convert Complex to Real: Complex is not numerically orderable␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
brokenchicken Aha. Cool. 00:53
TimToady m: say 'bb' ~~ 'a'..'z' 00:54
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«True␤»
brokenchicken :( 00:55
TimToady that's correct
brokenchicken Huh?
m: say eager 'a'..'z'
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«(a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z)␤»
brokenchicken but it's not one of items?
TimToady nope, ranges are, er, ranges, not sequences
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TimToady gotta use any('a'..'z') for that 00:56
brokenchicken Ah ok
TimToady m: say 'zoo' ~~ 'a'..'z' 00:57
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«False␤»
TimToady you want to carp, carp about that one :)
brokenchicken I don't get how 'zz' fits in 'a'..'z' range tho
I mean 'bb'
and 'zz' doesn't
m: say 'bbbbbbbb' ~~ 'a'..'z' 00:58
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«True␤»
brokenchicken hehe
m: say 'bbbaaaabbbbb' ~~ 'a'..'z'
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«True␤»
brokenchicken m: say 'bbbaaaabbbbb' ~~ 'z'..'a' 00:59
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«False␤»
TimToady m: say 'a!!!!!' ~~ 'a'..'z'
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«True␤»
TimToady m: say "a\0" ~~ 'a'..'z'
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«True␤»
TimToady m: say "a\0" ~~ 'a' ^.. 'z'
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«True␤»
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brokenchicken Simply using `(nqp::istype(a, Numeric)||nqp::istype(b, Numeric) ?? a <=> b !! a cmp b) < 0` for before/after doesn't work 01:21
Spectest fails, like with 'a'..*
.oO( add Numeric, Numeric candidate... )
 01:22
But then we get weirdness like `'42' after i` gives something, but `42 after i` says can't make a Real outta i 01:23
m: say '42' after i
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«True␤»
brokenchicken m: say '-42' after i
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«False␤»
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brokenchicken hm, maybe it's fine, since cmp uses .Stringy in that case 01:25
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brokenchicken You know what'd be a cool bot feature? You give it two ops and it tells you which one got higher precedence 01:27
m: &infix:«>».prec.say
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«{}␤»
brokenchicken hmm
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brokenchicken Can't get precedence of an op programatically? 01:40
what's .prec?
m: &infix:«+».prec.say 01:41
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«{assoc => left, prec => t=}␤»
brokenchicken oh, you can. Wonder why there's nothing for `>`
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brokenchicken m: say i <=> Inf 01:49
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«Less␤»
brokenchicken And the rabbit hole deepens :P 01:50
MasterDuke samcv: did you see my comment about ternaries? i tested on your code, about 5-10% faster 01:51
samcv no i didn't MasterDuke 01:52
which part?
brokenchicken m: say i <=> 42
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«Can not convert Complex to Real: Complex is not numerically orderable␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
brokenchicken s: &infix:«<=>», \(i, 42)
SourceBaby brokenchicken, Sauce is at github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/7384...ex.pm#L477
brokenchicken I don't get how that managed to throw
m: say i <=> 42.Complex 01:53
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«Can not convert Complex to Real: Complex is not numerically orderable␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
brokenchicken m: say 42.Complex
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«42+0i␤»
brokenchicken m: say i <=> <42+0i>
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«Can not convert Complex to Real: Complex is not numerically orderable␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
brokenchicken :S wtf
s: &infix:«<=>», \(i, <42+0i>)
SourceBaby brokenchicken, Sauce is at github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/7384...ex.pm#L467
mspo m: say 0i.perl
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«<0+0i>␤»
brokenchicken # Fail unless imaginary parts are relatively negligible, compared to real parts. 01:54
I see
A bit of a confusing error, since I thought it was trying to convert X to Real
m: say Inf.Complex 01:55
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«Inf+0i␤»
brokenchicken Seems there's a bit of a glitch either in that thing or in the =~= op involving Infs 01:57
.oO( how did I manage to start debugging this instead of playing my video games :/ )
MasterDuke samcv: replacing gist.github.com/samcv/566950400b06...p6-L57-L62 with `%decomp_spec{$cp}<type> = nqp::eqat(nqp::atpos(@dec, 0), '<', 0) ?? nqp::shift(@dec) !! 'Canonical'` was faster 01:58
samcv ah 01:59
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brokenchicken tis the tolerance computation. Ends up being Inf 02:01
samcv thanks 02:03
MasterDuke np
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brokenchicken m: say <42+42i> after <42+43i> 02:10
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«False␤»
brokenchicken m: say <42+42i> after <42+41i>
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«True␤»
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brokenchicken TimToady: ^ that now throws. Should it work? The <=> allows Complex comparison only if imaginary parts are negligible compared to Real parts. While with `cmp` just `cmp`s real/imaginary parts separately 02:14
I wish I knew more about Complex numbers :(
SmokeMachine m: role R[::T] {has T:U $.t} #is that right? 02:15
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Variable definition of type T:U requires an initializer␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3role R[::T] {has T:U $.t7⏏5} #is that right?␤ expecting any of:␤ constraint␤»
brokenchicken Don't know if `cmp` on Complex is wrong or my patch to before/after for Complex is wrong.
SmokeMachine m: role R[::T] {has T $.t} 02:16
camelia ( no output )
SmokeMachine m: role R[::T] {has T:_ $.t}
camelia ( no output )
SmokeMachine m: role R[::T] {has T:U $.t = T}
camelia ( no output )
brokenchicken m: role { has Int:U $.t }
camelia ( no output )
brokenchicken weird
SmokeMachine: I'm no expert, but it looks buggy to me
SmokeMachine brokenchicken: yes... weird... 02:17
brokenchicken: to me to...
too
that would make sense with T:D
m: role R[::T] {has T:D $.t} 02:18
camelia rakudo-moar 738493: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Variable definition of type T:D requires an initializer␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3role R[::T] {has T:D $.t7⏏5}␤ expecting any of:␤ constraint␤»
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brokenchicken .ask TimToady should `<42+42i> after <42+41i>` throw? It used to work, but now that I made `after` use `<=>` for Numeric+Numeric it only works if img part is negligible github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/ab3162c127 02:24
yoleaux brokenchicken: I'll pass your message to TimToady.
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brokenchicken I think I misunderstood TimToady :) I now see in the log he said the numeric *range* should use <=> not before/after 02:35
TimToady no, it shouldn't throw; I was talking about changing Range's smartmatch, not changing cmp
yoleaux 02:24Z <brokenchicken> TimToady: should `<42+42i> after <42+41i>` throw? It used to work, but now that I made `after` use `<=>` for Numeric+Numeric it only works if img part is negligible github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/ab3162c127
brokenchicken :D 02:36
OK. Thanks for clarifying :)
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brokenchicken added it to my todo list to fix tomorrow evening 02:39
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TimToady cmp has to stay mellow, so we can always sort a list 02:41
brokenchicken Yeah, makes sense :) 02:44
'night \o
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masak lol, I blog'd! strangelyconsistent.org/blog/deep-git 06:37
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tadzik :o 07:09
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moritz masak++ 07:57
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jast masak: very good post. one minor nitpick: git knows two different meanings for 'merge'. one is commit-level merge, one is file-level three-way merge. the latter is used in rebase, cherry-pick etc., too, so technically those conflicts can still be called merge conflicts. :) 08:32
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samcv nice my UCD-gen.p6 script is now fast enough that it takes only 80 minutes to finish the slowest routine ;) 08:50
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samcv faster on my laptop i think but that 80 minutes was on the bisectable server 08:51
running again to see how my latest speedups have fared
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samcv i-i think maybe it's slowing down because it has too many keys in the hash? 09:09
toward the end of the file it seems to be very very slow, and i'm not sure if it's caused by collisions in the hash library? 09:10
it starts getting super slow around 1048576 items in it
lizmat hows memory usage going ? 09:13
samcv uh using 6% of my memory, i have 16GB
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samcv not at a million yet on the current run, but at a million it seems like 09:15
i mean it probably slows down before amillion, but it's most perceptible cause that's like almost at the end of the fgile
and it still takes minutes to get to the end
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lizmat hmmm.... 09:21
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samcv could be caused by hash collisions maybe? or something else? 09:21
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lizmat I'm not sure how we hash nowadays: I seem to recall it was changed not too long ago by jnthn 09:22
andrzejku hey people
I know that some of you are web developers
tell me please how do you prototype your apps
do you use some prototype tools?
or just a pencil
samcv so the file has 30,000 lines it it. maybe i'll make a timer every 1,000 lines so i can get some data about this 09:23
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samcv wow so i get to use `gather/take` for the first time now 09:29
always wanted to use this
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Geth doc: d1788cadb3 | (Samantha McVey)++ | util/trigger-rebuild.txt
Trigger rebuild to pull in atom-language-perl6 v1.14.0
 09:50
samcv andrzejku, i often find thinking about any computer stuff drawing can help.
i really should employ that more often tbh
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masak jast: interesting point. tempted to include that as an aside in the post ;) 09:58
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samcv lizmat, here's a CSV of timings taken every 500 lines gist.github.com/samcv/6290f3ac0667...b5347e65c2 10:18
that one doesn't look particularly bad 10:20
but definitely gets higher as it goes on
arnsholt Those are timings *between* each batch, not cumulative, right?
samcv not cummulative
err wait that's not all of them i think 10:21
err maybe it is
yeah that's all that showed up at least
running it again though
i think it might not be measuring a very last number 10:23
which is where it's the slowest but 10:24
Took 1137.77617592 secs to process 30564 and 37.2260 ms/line 10:25
that doesn't sound right 10:26
it can't have taken that little time
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samcv i guess 18 sounds close though 10:26
it maybe is just taking a long time to process lines which apply to a range of codepoints hmm 10:27
so maybe it's somewhat that. it does seem to get slower as it goes on but i think most of the slowdown could be those lines which it has apply for thousands of cp's 10:28
i will change it so that it takes timings every 1000 cp's instead of per lines of the file
but it's weird because i timed how long it'd take to apply a pretty big range in a test file and it was pretty fast 10:29
but that was with a previously empty hash, not wit one with almost a million things in it
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samcv yeah it looks like that's what's slowing down it. i'm unsure how to make this faster argh 10:33
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samcv i mean it shouldn't take THAT long to bind 65,000 keys? but all the keys are identical 10:35
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melezhik_ Hi! 10:35
samcv i'm using nqp::bindkey(%points, $cp_s, $hashy);
melezhik_ need a little help with regexp
samcv fire away melezhik_
arnsholt, is it possible it's duplicating the object?
melezhik_ I want to match none empty symbols between '[' and ']' 10:36
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samcv none empty? 10:36
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samcv what does that mean 10:36
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melezhik_ in perl5 I would have /\[(\S+)\]/ 10:36
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melezhik_ how to say this in perl6? 10:37
samcv / '[' ( \S+ ']' ) /
that should work
melezhik_ s/none empty/none spaces/
samcv you don't need the space
melezhik_ samcv: thanks, will try
samcv that i put in my example. but in perl 6 spaces are not significant
melezhik_ yeah, I know 10:38
jast the exact same expression as in perl5 works for me, too
melezhik_ but I still perl5 in mind as for the regex, so it's hard for me every time I start writting perl6 ones , hehh (:
moritz blatantly advertises the regexes and grammar chapter in leanpub.com/perl6 10:39
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CIAvash melezhik_: also /'[' ~ ']' (\S+)/ 10:44
melezhik_ CIAvash: - thanks 10:46
Indeed my initial perl6 regex was fine, but I used $1 instead of $0 (:
I forgot that perl6 starts count numbered captures with $0 10:47
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masak m: multi sub trait_mod:<is>(Routine $r, :$ohhai!) is export(:DEFAULT, :traits) {}; sub foo($x) is ohhai {} 11:10
camelia ( no output )
masak ...but...
m: multi sub trait_mod:<is>(Routine $r, :$ohhai!) is export(:DEFAULT, :traits) {}; sub foo($x) is ohhai($x) {} 11:11
camelia rakudo-moar 18e6f0: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Can't use unknown trait 'is ohhai' in a sub declaration.␤at <tmp>:1␤ expecting any of:␤ rw raw hidden-from-backtrace hidden-from-USAGE␤ pure default DEPRECATED inlinable nodal␤ …»
masak why is the trait suddenly unknown when I pass it a parameter? :)
brokenchicken melezhik_: that can be avoided with named captures: /'[' ~ ']' $<stuff>=\S+/
masak m: multi sub trait_mod:<is>(Routine $r, :$ohhai!) is export(:DEFAULT, :traits) {}; sub foo($x) is ohhai(42) {}
camelia ( no output )
brokenchicken melezhik_: and you use $<stuff> to access it
masak oh, it's only when I give it an $x from the parameter list
arnsholt samcv: Hard to say. But you could very well be running into performance issues in large hashes
masak m: multi sub trait_mod:<is>(Routine $r, :$ohhai!) is export(:DEFAULT, :traits) {}; my $x; sub foo() is ohhai($x) {}; say "alive" 11:12
camelia rakudo-moar 18e6f0: OUTPUT«alive␤»
masak everything works except passing an `$x` from the parameter list. that's what I thought.
samcv arnsholt, it seems it made it hugely faster by moving some stuff from the sub it called into the calling sub
and it was not much code in there anyway so idk
arnsholt samcv: At any rate, there does look to be at least one non-trivial GC-pause in the timings you posted: Most of them are tens of seconds, but one's 10 seconds
samcv so that seems the bulk of the issue
masak problem is, `$x` is in *scope* at that point, but (due to timing issues) it doesn't really make *sense* to pass `$x` to the trait
arnsholt Ah, cool
masak we should probably have a dedicated error message for this, just in case other people are as unreasonable as I am :P 11:13
samcv also doing for %points.keys -> $code; i get Use of uninitialized value <element> of type Any in string context.
Methods .^name, .perl, .gist, or .say can be used to stringify it to something meaningful.
in block at ./UCD-gen.p6 line 366
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samcv and i have no clue what it can't use in a string context and $code is populated with the key inside the body of the for loop 11:14
it functions perfectly so i used to have a quietly on there. but that makes it slower so
i need to figure out how to solve this :\
this is the code github.com/samcv/UCD/blob/master/U...#L362-L366 11:16
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samcv even if i do `my @iter = %points.keys.List;` i still get the problem when iterating over @iter 11:23
oh looks like it's not the iterating but another place. himm. nvm then 11:24
arnsholt masak: Should parameters be in scope for a trait application though? 11:26
That sounds odd, to me
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jnthn To do otherwise would mean a scope "hole" 11:30
It's not really a scoping problem, more a timing problem.
masak what jnthn++ said 11:31
(and what I hinted at above)
the scoping is right, IMHO
we have similar timing problems in a lot of places in the language, though
jnthn my $x; BEGIN { say $x }
masak right 11:32
jnthn You could make a similar argument that $x should not be in scope in this case :)
masak it's just the parameters/trait one just occurred to me :)
jnthn :)
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brokenchicken m: my $x; BEGIN { say $x } 11:33
camelia rakudo-moar 18e6f0: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
brokenchicken m: multi sub trait_mod:<is>(Routine $r, Mu :$ohhai!) is export(:DEFAULT, :traits) {}; sub foo($x) is ohhai($x) {} 11:34
camelia ( no output )
brokenchicken ah
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as_ I am looking at the example at docs.perl6.org/language/regexes#^,..._of_String 11:35
and it looks like the first example with heredoc and $ does not work
say so $str ~~ /safe $/; returns false
$ does not match the \n at end of line
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as_ rakudo: say so "a\nb" ~~ /b$/; 11:36
camelia rakudo-moar 18e6f0: OUTPUT«True␤»
as_ rakudo: say so "a\nb\n" ~~ /b$/;
camelia rakudo-moar 18e6f0: OUTPUT«False␤»
brokenchicken as_: right. Do you mind fixing it by adding \n in both examples that use $? 11:37
It's in this file: github.com/perl6/doc/blob/master/d...gexes.pod6
as_ what do you mean? $ should match in both cases?
brokenchicken as_: the examples with $ are missing \n before $ 11:38
as_ so it's different from Perl 5's behavior? 11:39
brokenchicken Yes.
masak brokenchicken: in the good ol' Parrot days, doing crazy enough timing-issue things could actually get you a Null PMC Access exception. :P 11:40
jnthn masak: That was more a pre-nom thing than a Parrot thing, to be fair.
masak (because the lookup literally failed hard enough to crash the program when it didn't find an initialized lexpad)
jnthn: oh, you might be right. 11:41
samcv i gotta go bed. night all o/
brokenchicken as_: may be worth mentioning in one of 5-to-6 tuts too. I don't see it here: docs.perl6.org/language/5to6-nutsh.../_Regexp_)
jnthn It wasn't until the nom changes that we got a decent story on BEGIN-time symbols handling.
brokenchicken as_: And that page is in this file: github.com/perl6/doc/blob/master/d...shell.pod6
masak jnthn: but unless I'm mistaken, I still managed a small few of them post-nom (but pre-moar) too
jnthn Surely, yes :)
masak jnthn: I remember figuring that story out together with Rakudo, so to speak 11:42
the cardinal rule seems to be "at worst, you get the static lexpad"
jnthn Right
And yeah, I remember plenty of time/beer spent discussing those bits :) 11:45
confundus Hi, do I need to use eval to convert a dynamically built string into a pattern?
moritz confundus: on, / <$string> / does tht 11:46
*that
jnthn /<$the-string-with-the-pattern/>
oops, what moritz said :)
moritz s/on/no/
m: my $pattern = 'a.*'; say 'abacus' ~~ /<$pattern>/
camelia rakudo-moar 18e6f0: OUTPUT«｢abacus｣␤»
confundus moritz: oh, I see.
moritz m: my $pattern = 'a.*u'; say 'abacus' ~~ /<$pattern>/
camelia rakudo-moar 18e6f0: OUTPUT«｢abacu｣␤»
masak also, these good people decided to rename it to EVAL with all-capitals 11:47
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moritz ... and decided to overdo it a bit by *also* requiring a pragma 11:49
EVAL 'say 42'
m: EVAL 'say 42'
camelia rakudo-moar 18e6f0: OUTPUT«42␤»
moritz ... but not in camelia? or is that gone?
confundus maybe it has the monkey pragmas turned on? 11:50
moritz maybe.
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samcv nice full build down to 445.45815766 seconds! for UCD database using perl 6! 11:50
\o/. and now off to bed
masak moritz: I thought the all-caps was already overdoing it... 11:51
brokenchicken confundus: moritz, it doesn't have anything turned on. The pragma cries only when you do dangerous things
samcv no, you can eval a string that's static
brokenchicken m: my $x = '42'; EVAL "say $x"
camelia rakudo-moar 18e6f0: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤EVAL is a very dangerous function!!! (use the MONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL pragma to override this error,␤but only if you're VERY sure your data contains no injection attacks)␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3my $x = '42'; …»
samcv without turning on any pragmas
static strings are fine 11:52
brokenchicken m: my $x = '42'; "say $x".EVAL # and there's a ticket for this
camelia rakudo-moar 18e6f0: OUTPUT«42␤»
brokenchicken eh. It's not Perl 5. You don't need EVAL as often. 11:53
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brokenchicken And there are more subtle ways to introduce a sploit in your code 11:56
m: my $x = 'say 42'; /<{$x}>/ 11:57
camelia ( no output )
brokenchicken Don't even remember what it was. Some regex interpolataion 11:58
and it'd complain about monkey eval thing 12:00
m: my $x = "{say 'all your base are belong to us'}"; "x" ~~ /<$x>/ 12:01
camelia rakudo-moar 18e6f0: OUTPUT«all your base are belong to us␤»
brokenchicken would've thought that would be it :/
mc: my $x = "{say 'all your base are belong to us'}"; "x" ~~ /<$x>/
committable6 brokenchicken, ¦«2015.12»: all your base are belong to us
brokenchicken shrugs
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brokenchicken oh 12:02
m: my $x = q|{say 'all your base are belong to us'}|; "x" ~~ /<$x>/
camelia rakudo-moar 18e6f0: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /home/camelia/EVAL_0␤Prohibited regex interpolation (use the MONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL pragma to override this error,␤but only if you're VERY sure your data contains no injection attacks)␤at /home/camelia/EVAL_0:1␤…»
brokenchicken :D it *is* it :)
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masak arnsholt: could you check if I got this approximately right? :) github.com/masak/007/issues/221 12:14
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arnsholt masak: Was just looking at it in my mailbox, as a matter of fact! 12:32
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arnsholt masak: Commented 12:35
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masak \o/ 12:44
arnsholt I like the double-dot syntax for it, incidentally 12:45
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masak arnsholt: oh, it's `;` in Smalltalk? 13:06
where did I get `..` from, then? I must've seen it *somewhere*
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gregf_ samcv: i just had a glance at the code in that repo and some of the methods are quite huge :/ 13:10
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lep-delete i think dart has .. 13:12
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arnsholt masak: Yeah, it's semicolon in ST. Fits quite well with period as the statement terminator, actually 13:14
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masak lep-delete: that might be it 13:19
arnsholt: it does. SmallTalk feels in general like it thought quite hard about punctuation. 13:20
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masak arnsholt: and it's a bit crazy that we use semicolon for "terminate statement" in so many languages... 13:20
arnsholt: people who read it with its literal meaning must look at a C program and ask "when will this program ever get to the point!?"
arnsholt =D 13:21
Yeah, it's pretty odd once you start thinking about it
Also, Smalltalk is rapidly earning points on my "favourite programming languages" list 13:22
It's a very interesting excercise in minimalism
masak I just re-finished worrydream.com/EarlyHistoryOfSmalltalk/ -- a very refreshing read. so I would tend to agree. :) 13:27
my favorite sentence this time around: "What I got from Simula [about the promise of OOP] was that you could now replace bindings and assignment with *goals*." 13:28
I'll try to start thinking of methods as abstracted goals of an object, to see how that feels 13:30
arnsholt There was a really cool comment by Alan Kay on HN (I think) where he contrasted the reactions of Dahl and Nygaard (the Simula guys) to Smalltalk
One of them was indifferent and didn't see the point, while the other was super-enthusiastic =) 13:31
masak arnsholt: let me know if you find it :> 13:32
arnsholt Ah yes: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10967103
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masak "low-pass filter" is a wonderful expression -- I find it happens to a lot of things 13:34
it's something to do with echo chambers, and different communities having different understandings of the world 13:35
[Coke] sees masak use 'mechanize' where coke has used 'weaponize' locally. Wonder if that's all due to my US upbringing. :)
samcv: instead of triggering a rebuild of latest module by committing whitespace, can we explicitly declare which version we're depending on, so 'getting the latest' actually changes the version number? (making the commit "real") 13:37
masak [Coke]: I think I almost wrote "automate" in that spot, fwiw. 13:38
[Coke] masak: I hear "operationalize" many times here at work, and I always mentally substitute "weaponize". 13:40
and there is a difference between operationalize and automate, sure.
Oh! Dayjob! Hey, everyone, I'm getting laid off (but it's fine) 13:41
brokenchicken :(
masak [Coke]: we'rehiring we'rehiring we'rehiring
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brokenchicken Whom are you hiring? 13:42
masak (and we're pretty awesome and have the highest density of Perl 6 people second to colomon's one-person startup) :P
lizmat masak: more or less than 50% :-) 13:43
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lizmat ? 13:43
masak ok, so maybe we're third on that list :P
lizmat hehe :-)
masak but we're pretty high is my point!
perlpilot masak: how about density of Perl 6 work? ;)
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[Coke] ooh, maybe I could tip the scales. 13:43
... I mean figuratively. of course I can literally. :)
masak perlpilot: depends how you look at it. I've definitely written Perl 6 for $work things. and Perl 6 figures indirectly in a *lot* of ways 13:44
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[Coke] I did manage to get a Perl 6 program running here at $dayjob, which I felt good about. 13:55
win 28 13:56
... *cough*
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masak 'night, #perl6 14:11
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brokenchicken night 14:15
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jdv79 what's 28? 14:46
brokenchicken A number below 42. 14:47
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gregf_ a number tbp 14:50
DrForr My first thought was that it was a Perfect number, but it's not. I've seen it in a common sequence though. 14:51
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DrForr Oh, it is. 6,28,496,8128... 14:53
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DrForr Ah, right, *all* of the divisors. 1+2+4+7+14 14:54
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brokenchicken m: ($_ %% *)(6).say given 3 15:00
camelia rakudo-moar 833fe4: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context␤ in whatevercode at <tmp> line 1␤True␤»
brokenchicken how come it's unintiliazited? 15:01
m: (* %% $_)(6).say given 3
camelia rakudo-moar 833fe4: OUTPUT«Attempt to divide 6 by zero using infix:<%%>␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
brokenchicken m: (*.&[%%]: $_)(6).say given 3
camelia rakudo-moar 833fe4: OUTPUT«Attempt to divide 6 by zero using infix:<%%>␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
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brokenchicken Oh, OK then 15:01
Thought the last one worked. 15:02
m: $_ = 42; sub foo { say $_ }; foo # and this is basically why it doesn't work; the closure got its own $_
camelia rakudo-moar 833fe4: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
brokenchicken m: subset Perfect of Int where {^$^v .grep($v %% *).sum eq $v}; say 28 ~~ Perfect 15:04
camelia rakudo-moar 833fe4: OUTPUT«True␤»
brokenchicken yey
m: subset Perfect of Int where {$^v eq sum ^$v .grep: $v %% *}; say 6 ~~ Perfect 15:06
camelia rakudo-moar 833fe4: OUTPUT«True␤»
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Geth ecosystem/take-over-net-xmpp: 6cfb7e89ac | (Bahtiar Gadimov)++ | META.list
Take over Net::XMPP

I updated the project to current Socket API & merged outstanding pull requests. Given that the current `Net::XMPP` library isn't working at all with the current `Perl 6.c` version, the author is barely active on GitHub and seems to ignore PRs I assume he isn't interested in it any more. May I take over?
I'm engaged in the XMPP community and currently working on improving and extending the XMPP support for Perl6, so I will actively maintain this project.		 15:09
ecosystem: kalkin++ created pull request #294:
Take over Net::XMPP
brokenchicken
.oO( just release your own version... )
 15:10
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[Coke] do we need take over? what brokenchicken said. 15:16
how will zef/panda react if we have two things of the same name?
brokenchicken Good question. 15:17
[Coke] guess we should try it out!
brokenchicken This really pushes more toward we need a sane ecosystem
jdv79: have you gave any thought on 6CPAN thing? What's the status? 15:18
mst [Coke]: I suspect it will turn out to be worth having some sort of 'transfer of authority' mechanism to simplify continuity for downstream users, even if the perl6 system will still work without it 15:20
brokenchicken Agreed. But something more formalized. Not a "author didn't merge my PR yet, so I'm taking over the module" 15:21
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[Coke] I edit template/footer.html; run 'perl6 htmlify.p6 --no-highlight --sparse=100' - doesn't look like it pulled in the footer change. 15:25
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[Coke] I've also seen that sort of thing cause the perl6/ org on github to get a copy, which i don't want to be the norm, either. 15:26
we have enough issues with core stuff atm.
brokenchicken the atom stuff?
atom highlighter 15:27
[Coke] I specifically disabled highlights - no, I'm literally changing the <footer> tag in the template.
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[Coke] ugh, sparse doesn't impact the svg generation. 15:29
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mst brokenchicken: oh, sure, I'm just saying that while the authority system is an excellent last line of defence against disappearing authors and other issues, I don't think we should set a precedent of using it as the first line of defence 15:31
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jdv79 brokenchicken: in the middle of picking up the pieces 15:32
got sidetracked playing with perl6 but that conc bug fixes that distraction:) 15:33
brokenchicken :)
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jnthn
.oO( Does that mean I shouldn't look into the bug too hurriedly? :) )
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Geth ecosystem/take-over-net-xmpp: 56bdcbb712 | (Bahtiar Gadimov)++ | META.list
Take over Net::XMPP

I updated the project to current Socket API & merged outstanding pull requests. Given that the current `Net::XMPP` library isn't working at all with the current `Perl 6.c` version, the author is barely active on GitHub and seems to ignore PRs I assume he isn't interested in it any more. May I take over?
I'm engaged in the XMPP community and currently working on improving and extending the XMPP support for Perl6, so I will actively maintain this project.
brokenchicken .seen retupmoca
yoleaux I saw retupmoca 8 Jun 2016 21:09Z in #perl6: <retupmoca> m: say ('a'..'d').rotor(2 => -1).perl;
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brokenchicken mst: what is Perl 5's process for takeover? I thought I saw a document somewhere describing it. 15:47
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mst brokenchicken: basically "try and contact the author every way you can think of, cc-ing [email@hidden.address] and if they don't respond after 4 weeks or so we'll do an adoption" 15:48
brokenchicken Thanks.
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El_Che mst has some war stories :) 15:51
[Coke] our pod to html might be borked. Seeing lots of constructs uselessly wrapped in <p> tags. 15:52
validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%...rl6.org%2F
brokenchicken Hah. There's even a news story for this dude who's module we're debating: www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/ind...decid.html
mst we also handle "actually, the original author is dead"
which is always hilarious
tadzik wow 15:55
brokenchicken fact of life :) 15:56
El_Che Wow. Open carry looks so onreal. It reminds me of Westworld. 15:59
Geth ecosystem: 7339d78115 | (Bahtiar Gadimov)++ | META.list
Take over Net::XMPP (#294)
brokenchicken doesn't understand American obsession with weapons.
mst hysterical raisins 16:00
El_Che I wonder if the people that carry guns in the open are the same that carry cellphones in the the type of pockets in the 90s 16:02
:)
ilmari my dad still carries his cellphone (sony xperia z3 compact, iirc) in a belt pouch 16:04
El_Che ilmari: belt pouches used to be very popular in the day 16:05
ilmari: it was before the time before people checked their phone every minute
ilmari I used to have a transparent-front pouch with a belt clip for my nokia 1611 16:07
because it was too big to fit in a pocket 16:08
but when I got a 3210 that wasn't necessary any more
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Geth ecosystem: 4961f66df2 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | README.md
Write down a suggested process for module take over

  - based on Perl 5's practices
  - not sure if [email@hidden.address] is the best list to CC the email to; replace with anything better.		 16:11
gfldex brokenchicken: the module takeover process should include "check the bloody license" 16:15
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El_Che ilmari: I think this was my first phone and it was rather small (in 1997): www.gsmarena.com/ericsson_gf_788e-110.php 16:15
gfldex my first phone looked like this: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/com...on04_2.jpg 16:16
ilmari El_Che: I remember that one
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ilmari we had a gray en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ericofon 16:16
my brother had a www.gsmarena.com/nokia_6150-10.php, later I had a www.gsmarena.com/nokia_6210-12.php 16:18
El_Che gfldex: lol
gfldex: I hope it came with a long cable
the ericophone is pretty leet 16:19
gfldex it didn't but that wasnt a problem because we didn't use it much. We actually visited out friends and family in person
and we smoked and got drunk much more often back in the days 16:20
at the other hand depressions where pretty rare
Geth ecosystem: 8be9d267bf | (Zoffix Znet)++ | README.md
Ask to check licenses before a take over; gfldex++
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donaldh What does this mean in a grammar: '{' ~ '}' [<option>*] 16:51
brokenchicken donaldh: any number of <option> tokens inside '{'
donaldh: any number of <option> tokens inside '{' and '}'
moritz donaldh: it's another way to write '{' <option> '}', but with options for better error reporting
brokenchicken donaldh: '{' <option>* '}' basically (no idea hwy the brackets are there)
donaldh And does the <option> part need to be inside '[' and ']' ? 16:52
moritz if the closing } isn't matched, a FAILGOAL method will be called, which you can define to do proper error reporting
brokenchicken moritz: I saw that written before... What does it mean? What sort of better error reporting
Ah :)
moritz donaldh: I don't know the relative precedence of ~ vs *, so I err on the side of too many brackets 16:53
donaldh Is it documented anywhere, do you know?
brokenchicken m: grammar { token TOP { '[' ~ ']' .+ }; method FAILGOAL (|c) { say c } }.parse: '[meow'
camelia rakudo-moar f2894d: OUTPUT«\("']' ")␤P6opaque: no such attribute '$!pos' in type Cursor when trying to get a value␤ in regex TOP at <tmp> line 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
brokenchicken m: grammar { token TOP { '[' ~ ']' .+ }; method FAILGOAL (|c) { say c; exit } }.parse: '[meow'
camelia rakudo-moar f2894d: OUTPUT«\("']' ")␤»
brokenchicken cool
moritz passing the regex text is... a bit lazy though, no? 16:54
donaldh nice. Thanks brokenchicken++ and moritz++ 16:55
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moritz m: grammar { token TOP { \[ ~ \] .+ }; method FAILGOAL($goal) { die "cannot find $goal near position {self.pos}" }}.parse: '[moep' 16:55
camelia rakudo-moar f2894d: OUTPUT«cannot find \] near position 5␤ in method FAILGOAL at <tmp> line 1␤ in regex TOP at <tmp> line 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
moritz m: grammar { token TOP { \[ ~ \] \w+ }; method FAILGOAL($goal) { die "cannot find $goal near position {self.pos}" }}.parse: '[moep bla]'
camelia rakudo-moar f2894d: OUTPUT«cannot find \] near position 5␤ in method FAILGOAL at <tmp> line 1␤ in regex TOP at <tmp> line 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
moritz that's where it starts to get interesting
brokenchicken :) 16:56
moritz (the grammar chapter of leanpub.com/perl6 doesn't talk about FAILGOAL; should I add it?)
it does discuss self.pos, extracting a line number from that etc.
donaldh In what scope should FAILGOAL be declared?
timotimo it ought to be a method in the grammar
donaldh Would be very good to have a FAILGOAL example in your book, yes. 16:57
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moritz donaldh: ok, will try to come up with something 16:58
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cale2 Did anyone do adventofcode.com/ with P6? 16:59
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moritz hasn't 17:02
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brokenchicken I saw some people pop up asking for pointers for its challenges in December. Forget who. 17:04
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TimToady note that any book that talks about %*LANG is probably going to be wrong shortly 17:20
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TimToady gfldex: it appears you have a <> eaten before the .pick in multi sub foo(Whatever){ .pick }; 17:29
donaldh resurrecting p6-pb for 2017.01 and protobuf3 if anyone is interested: github.com/donaldh/p6-pb
brokenchicken m: say i ~~ -1..1 17:30
camelia rakudo-moar f2894d: OUTPUT«False␤»
brokenchicken m: say <0+0i> ~~ -1..1 17:31
camelia rakudo-moar f2894d: OUTPUT«True␤»
brokenchicken \o/
TimToady m: say 0.5 ~~ -1..1
camelia rakudo-moar f2894d: OUTPUT«True␤»
TimToady m: say <.5+0.0000000000000000000000000000001i> ~~ -1..1 17:32
camelia rakudo-moar f2894d: OUTPUT«True␤»
TimToady it's a really skinny line on the complex plane 17:33
brokenchicken Yeah. It was bigger in my first version that used <=>, 'cause there it scales to real parts 17:34
m: say i <=> 200000000000000000000
camelia rakudo-moar f2894d: OUTPUT«Less␤»
brokenchicken So I used a .Real instead that just uses imaginary part =~= 0
TimToady that seems fine to me 17:35
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TimToady given that most real imaginary numbers are gonna have an exponent within an order of magnitude of 0 one way or the other 17:36
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gfldex TimToady: fixed, every time I fix one thing WP eats something else :( 17:38
TimToady in fact, for some reason, most complex numbers used in real life tend to get scaled units that keep things near (1+1i) or so
gfldex: yeah, WP sucks that way (too)
timotimo it sucks a lot, yeah 17:39
every year we come one tiny step closer to finally writing our own blog software, at least for the advent calendar
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perlpilot cale2: re adventofcode. I did some of 2015 with Perl 6, but haven't looked at 2016 18:10
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cale2 If someone wants to make an Oauth module, How should it be organized in the ecosystem? Auth::Oauth1 and Auth::Oauth2 as separate modules? 18:27
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sena_kun tbrowder, ping. 19:41
tbrowder hi, sena_kun 19:47
sena_kun: what can I do for you? 19:48
timotimo++ 19:49
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sena_kun tbrowder, hello! Not like I'm some kind of guy who gives work to everyone, but there are github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1172 - this PR and I'm not sure about it. I'm curious, are it suitable simplifications here. 19:50
tbrowder, your quality check will be greatly appreciated. 19:51
tbrowder i'll be happy to take a look... 19:53
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sena_kun And there are one more thing to check(or even rewrite, but I hope to avoid it), but later. 19:54
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moritz .tell donaldh there's now a FAILGOAL example and short explanation in leanpub.com/perl6. Enjoy! 19:59
yoleaux moritz: I'll pass your message to donaldh.
tbrowder sena_kun: i saw something the other day about travis limiting build times--is that why the PR is failing? 20:00
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sena_kun tbrowder, yes. It became quite a problem nowadays, but we live with it somehow. 20:02
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tbrowder i'm having trouble sorting through all the changes, but i'll see if i can get a good diff on my host. 20:04
sena_kun tbrowder, there are a bunch of re-formatted examples, you can omit them, since I'm working on this part now. I'm interested in text in-between. 20:06
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tbrowder ok 20:08
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curt_ Can you use NativeCall to call a C function that takes variable arguments (e.g. printf()"? 20:10
I've faked it by importing the symbol multiple times with different arguments, but it is awkward -- is there a better way?
RabidGravy I don't think so 20:16
yoleaux 31 Jan 2017 22:22Z <brokenchicken> RabidGravy: be sure to report your breakages so we iron everything out in v6.d.PREVIEW and not leave it until v6.d ;)
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geekosaur curt_, no and your solution is likely not portable; ABIs can change behavior for varargs functions (e.g. switching from some args in registers to all on stack) 20:21
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brokenchicken heh, so now I'm a leading Perl 6 developer? www.nu42.com/2017/02/perl6-program...wning.html 20:27
Ah, that's bdfoy's pet ape nanis 20:29
brokenchicken closes the page without reading further
El_Che brokenchicken: you misread 20:30
perlpilot brokenchicken: you get too worked up about those two. That's not good for your health
El_Che brokenchicken: you're the leading non-cooperative developer
:) 20:31
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brokenchicken And he wonders why I refered to him as a pet. That's because when I pointed out to bdfoy his example in the book was broken and he started deleting my replies, nanis was in the shadows thumbing up bdfoy's responses and thumbing down my responses. 20:32
sena_kun TEH DRAMA </sorry, I couldn't keep it within myself> 20:34
lizmat wonders what she could do to unbreak the brokenchicken
El_Che vodka soaked corn
tbrowder i'm trying atom again and wonder if there is a package that will show a list of subs, classes, and vars on the menu bar like emacs p6 mode? 20:36
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sena_kun tbrowder, offtopic: emacs can show such a list? Did you mean your patched mode or default p6 mode? 20:37
tbrowder sena_kun: i say go for it and merge your PR!
patched mode (on perl6)
brokenchicken nanis, and posting a screenshot with errors on Twitter accompanied with "adventures in Perl 6" makes it sound like the stuff's really broken when in reality you've built from a random dev commit. If you really meant to "be helpful by pointing out what the devs are missing" and not mock our efforts, you would report the bug on a bug tracker or tell us about it on IRC. 20:38
ugh
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sena_kun tbrowder, ah, okay. Couldn't test it. I wonder where hinrik is... 20:38
brokenchicken Why did I even go to perl 5's reddit -_
lizmat brokenchicken: that's Perl's reddit, afaik 20:39
sena_kun tbrowder, thanks for all your work! Merging it now...
Geth doc: bd26cbe750 | (Antonio Quinonez)++ | doc/Language/exceptions.pod6
edits to exceptions pod
doc: 1a9471cddf | (Antonio Quinonez)++ | doc/Language/exceptions.pod6
removed my <<<< marker
doc: af89aa5b1b | Altai-man++ | doc/Language/exceptions.pod6
Merge pull request #1172 from antquinonez/exceptions-cleanup

edits to exceptions pod
brokenchicken lizmat: what's broken with me?
lizmat well, the name suggests something's broken :-)
but I don't know what 20:41
TimToady the chicken is bro' named "ken"
lizmat
.oO( brogijoechicken )
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robertle can a Grammar not do incremental parsing? as in I get the text piece by piece and feed it into the Grammar? 20:52
[Coke] m: say Grammar.^methods
camelia rakudo-moar f2894d: OUTPUT«No such method 'gist' for invocant of type 'NQPRoutine'␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
[Coke] m: say Grammar.^methods>>.name 20:53
camelia rakudo-moar f2894d: OUTPUT«(parse subparse parsefile FAILGOAL upper CAPHASH CALL_SUBRULE !reduce_with_match !protoregex DYNQUANT_LIMITS !fresh_highexpect !BACKREF-LATEST-CAPTURE !DYNQUANT_LIMITS orig !cursor_start !protoregex_nfa !protoregex_table RECURSE !cursor_more !cursor_pass !…»
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robertle I played with subparse, but that does not appear to be it 20:53
[Coke] can you clarify what you're expecting? 20:54
robertle yeah, assuming a text T which leads to some behavior when I do $mygrammar.parse(T), so e.g. actions being called 20:56
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robertle any T1 .. Tn being fed to the grammar with subsequent calls of parse_incremental() (or so), will lead to the same actions if T1 ~ T2 ~ ... ~ Tn eq T 20:57
[Coke] ok, but subparse is supposed to be exactly like parse in that regard; do you have a short example showing that doesn't work?
robertle say I write a grammar for a network protocol, or something in a file
ok, I'll try again with subparse
and report back what the problem is 20:58
jnthn You'll need to manage a buffer yourself
[Coke] I don't think that exists, no.
jnthn And use subparse to eat what's available so far
[Coke] (you sent a lot more after my first response. :)
jnthn I did something like that in the Stomp message parser module
[Coke] jnthn++
jnthn There's no built-in thing for it yet
The STOMP example is probably relevant though, 'cus that *is* parsing a network protocol :)
TimToady we have ideas for lazy strings, but we're lazy programmers
robertle where can I find this STOMP? 20:59
is the grammar internally not a state machine?
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robertle yeah, lazy strings would be a more functional way of looking at the problem than that "pushing" incremental parsing 21:01
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mspo STOMP the mq thing? 21:01
RabidGravy yeah it works and everything 21:02
robertle got it: github.com/jnthn/p6-stomp/blob/mas...Parser.pm6
jnthn: so you append and try to parse until parsing suceeds, when it does you remove the stuff acceptred by the parser 21:04
perlpilot robertle: it sounds to me like you want a parse that can be incomplete (or "succeed in the middle") or something and then pick up from where you left off.
robertle perlpilot: totally
jnthn: so if I feed you byte by byte, you attempt to parse the whole thign again and again? just trying to understand... 21:05
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perlpilot robertle: I don't think we're there yet. You have to build a string that can be completely parsed (perhaps with some left overs) and feed those strings to a grammar one at a time. 21:06
Mithaldu brokenchicken: you said this a bit back: "I pointed out to bdfoy his example in the book was broken and he started deleting my replies" are you saying replies on reddit were deleted?
robertle ok, uinderstood. and the difference between parse and subparse is whether it accepts a string that has extra stuff at the end?
perlpilot robertle: yeah 21:07
Mithaldu lizmat: and yeah, the perl reddit is for both. i've had to delete a lot of reports of people trying to get rid of the perl6 things 21:08
lizmat Mithaldu++ :-)
Mithaldu :)
perlpilot robertle: docs.perl6.org/routine/subparse 21:09
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[Coke] parse must match the whole string. 21:10
robertle perlpilot: yeah, I did read that and tried it. was just wondering whether there is a current way to do the incremental part, avoiding to re-parse parts until the match is complete. but the approach in the stomp module is ok, I'll do that! 21:11
thanks!
jnthn robertle: Yes, you understood what I@m doing right
robertle: It re-parses. It's just that in this case that's probably not too bad; we're getting a packet at a time, not a byte at a time 21:12
robertle not when I'm sending you the packets ;)
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jnthn :P 21:14
samcv good * #perl6 21:16
sena_kun samcv, 0/ 21:17
brokenchicken Mithaldu: no, it was in bdfoy's private repo for the LP6 previews 21:19
Mithaldu aight
i'd be annoyed if that happened on reddit, and do have the tools to track it down if necessary 21:20
brokenchicken Well, brian and I have been at "war" ever since the module naming argument from like a decade ago :) I'm not surprised he was deleting my replies.
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Mithaldu well, i have two views on this 21:21
for one, he still has me banned on twitter for criticizing him
[Coke] u: { .uniname ~~ / 'LLAMA' /}
unicodable6 [Coke], Found nothing!
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[Coke] u: { .uniname ~~ / 'CAMEL' /} 21:21
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Mithaldu for the other, your name-calling is uncalled for, and comparing it to someone mistakenly attributing more status to you than you have is not very elegant 21:21
unicodable6 [Coke], U+1F42A DROMEDARY CAMEL [So] (🐪)
[Coke], U+1F42B BACTRIAN CAMEL [So] (🐫)
Mithaldu wow, different camels 21:22
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lizmat m: my $c = "🐪"; $c++; say $c 21:23
camelia rakudo-moar f2894d: OUTPUT«🐫␤»
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Mithaldu if everyone calmed down a little some value could be extracted from sinan's breaking-stuff skills 21:23
brokenchicken Mithaldu: fair enough. It's uncalled for. But the only reason he calls me "leading Perl 6 developer" is to misrepresent Perl 6. 21:24
Just as his Tweets
I don't for a second believe he has any interest in Perl 6's wellbeing.
Mithaldu right, so if he tweets about bugs, ask him to report it and for repro steps 21:25
either he gives you something useful
or the intention of his posting, if negative, is laid bare
perlpilot indeed 21:28
brokenchicken I'm just gonna stop talking to people.
Gonna write code instead.
Mithaldu not a bad thing either :) 21:29
brokenchicken Someone merge github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/pull/518 when Travis's approves it and I'll do bumps and write the tests
brokenchicken relocates.
Mithaldu also, you could try and see what rakudo currently does with msvc
samcv it's sad there are people that only want to talk badly about perl 6 but have no intention on actually seeing it improve 21:30
Mithaldu samcv: it's not clear whether that is actually the case here 21:31
samcv oh
Mithaldu there's someone who's upset, and got some responses that were less than quality, by people also upset
and it seems to have been going on for some time with complicating factors
samcv :\
jnthn There's something wrong with MSVC? Ticket? 21:33
(I know there was a build bustage there a few weeks back 'cus I fixed it.)
Mithaldu jnthn: no ticket, but let me get you a short summary
jnthn No, because I'm tired and won't do anything with it 21:34
Mithaldu ok, then i won't
RabidGravy It would be better if there was a ticket surely 21:35
jnthn Indeed
Well, if somebody else wants to make the ticket...
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jnthn Please, folks, encourage problems to get ticketed. We don't always manage to get to tickets as fast as would be nice, but it's the best way of things not being totally forgotten. 21:36
Mithaldu i don't know enough to make a useful ticket 21:37
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Mithaldu i was going to make a summary so you could tell me whether the summary would be worth reporting 21:37
but then you told me no
so what now? :P
jnthn Well, OK, go on... :)
samcv is `if @a { }` equivilent to `if @a.elems` ? 21:38
jnthn samcv: No
lizmat @a.Bool
samcv what checks does so @a do?
Mithaldu jnthn: sinan posted about his msvc compiled p6 failing to respond well to ^Z or ^D for this code: perl6 -e "for $*IN.lines -> $x { say $x }"
jnthn samcv: If @a has lazy parts, if @a will only make sure there's at least one element. .elems will force it to reify everything
brokenchicken samcv, the former would reify at most one elem, the latter all of them
samcv kk 21:39
Mithaldu he seems to expect it to exit, but it doesn't
samcv very good then
Mithaldu someone else noted the msi installed version handles that fine
jnthn Hmm
RabidGravy version of msvc and the compile options might help someone reporoduce 21:40
samcv is very happy the bitfield packing code i wrote is working perfectly :)
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Mithaldu also, the stuff generated by configure seems to not make nmake happy in regards to directory separators: www.nu42.com/2017/02/rakudo-star-2...essage.png 21:41
RabidGravy: was gonna say i don't nkow, but apparently v14 amd64
jnthn ^D
♦
^Z
→
At least in the MSVC build I have it doesn't seem to exit either
Mithaldu oh good, you have a repro then :) 21:42
jnthn My gut feeling is that it'd be a Windows issue rather than a compiler-specific issue...
Though if it worked for somebody then that's a tad odd
Mithaldu sec
jnthn I wonder what console whoever it worked for was using
RabidGravy samcv, anything I can steal for github.com/jonathanstowe/Util-Bitfield ?
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Mithaldu jnthn: this person reported it working for them: twitter.com/joshuamy/status/826685435606806528 21:43
samcv possibly RabidGravy
Mithaldu if you don't have twitter i can ask them
also, should i throw the info so far on rt then?
samcv compute-packing(List of pairs); basically * => bitfield-width 21:44
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Mithaldu actually i don't even know how to report perl6 bugs 21:44
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samcv so for my UCD-gen.p6 i supply it with a list of property-name => bitwidth 21:44
and it spits back out at me the optimal ordering of those things
lizmat Mithaldu: send an email to [email@hidden.address]
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Mithaldu lizmat: cheers 21:44
lizmat *.org
Mithaldu :D
samcv you can put anything you want in the keys, but the module only uses the bitwidth to sort them, though it is determinalistic and always gives the same result
Mithaldu ok, gonna wait and see what jnthn says then :) 21:45
samcv [:Numeric_Value_Numerator("7"), :Canonical_Combining_Class(1), :Joining_Group("7"), :XID_Start(1), :Line_Break("6"), :Numeric_Type(2), :Word_Break("5"), :Joining_Type(3), :Grapheme_Cluster_Break("5"), :General_Category_1(3), :Bidi_Class("5"), :East_Asian_Width(3), :Numeric_Value_Denominator("4"), :General_Category_2(4), :Jamo_Short_Name("6"), :XID_Continue("1"), :White_Space("1"), :Variation_Selector("1"), :Uppercase("1"), :Unified_Ideograph("1"),
:Terminal_Punctuation("1"), :Soft_Dotted("1"), :Sentence_Terminal("1"), :Radical("1"), :Quotation_Mark("1"), :Prepended_Concatenation_Mark("1"), :Pattern_White_Space("1"), :Pattern_Syntax("1"), :Other_Uppercase("1"), :Other_Math("1"), :Other_Lowercase("1"), :Other_ID_Start("1"), :Other_ID_Continue("1"), :Other_Grapheme_Extend("1"), :Other_Default_Ignorable_Code_Point("1"), :Other_Alphabetic("1"), :Noncharacter_Code_Point("1"), :NFKD_QC("1"),
:NFKC_QC("1"), :NFKC_CF("1"), :NFD_QC("1"), :NFC_QC("1"), :Math("1"), :Lowercase("1"), :Logical_Order_Exception("1"), :Join_Control("1"), :Ideographic("1"), :ID_Start("1"), :ID_Continue("1"), :IDS_Trinary_Operator("1"), :IDS_Binary_Operator("1"), :Hyphen("1"), :Hex_Digit("1"), :Grapheme_Link("1"), :Grapheme_Extend("1"), :Grapheme_Base("1"), :Full_Composition_Exclusion("1"), :FC_NFKC("1"), :Extender("1"), :Expands_On_NFKD("1"), :Expands_On_NFKC("1"),
:Expands_On_NFD("1"), :Expands_On_NFC("1"), :Emoji_Presentation("1"), :Emoji_Modifier_Base("1"), :Emoji_Modifier("1"), :Emoji("1"), :Diacritic("1"), :Deprecated("1"), :Default_Ignorable_Code_Point("1"), :Dash("1"), :Changes_When_Uppercased("1"), :Changes_When_Titlecased("1"), :Changes_When_NFKC_Casefolded("1"), :Changes_When_Lowercased("1"), :Changes_When_Casemapped("1"), :Changes_When_Casefolded("1"), :Cased("1"), :Case_Ignorable("1"),
brokenchicken whoa
samcv :Bidi_Mirrored("1"), :Bidi_Control("1"), :Any("1"), :Alphabetic("1"), :ASCII_Hex_Digit("1")]
woah didn't mean to paste that much :\
Mithaldu samcv: good job :D
samcv but that's what it spits back out at me, and i supply it just pairs with keys whatever i want and values which are bitwidth 21:46
brokenchicken Mithaldu: fwiw, the errors sinar saw were found and excluded in star release
Mithaldu, I forget now, but there may evem be a ticket for that
Mithaldu brokenchicken: are you certain you mean the ^D / ^Z ones?
jnthn Mithaldu: github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/issues/519 21:47
Mithaldu jnthn++ <3
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Mithaldu jnthn: i also bumped joshuamy and will report back if he lets me know more details 21:48
samcv m: my @a; my @b = 3; @a.push(@b.pop() orelse die "oh no") 21:50
camelia rakudo-moar f2894d: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Unable to parse expression in argument list; couldn't find final ')' ␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3my @a; my @b = 3; @a.push(@b.pop()7⏏5 orelse die "oh no")␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ …»
samcv anybody know why i get this error?
brokenchicken Mithaldu, as I recall the errors were about readline or something and ^D^Z were broken. I installed latest star and got no errors and ^D worked (not ^Z). I asked sinar for version, he gave me a dev build version, I askdd star release manager about it and he said he had to work around the issue for the release and I told sinar he should use the release version
That's how I recall it
Mithaldu brabo: jnthn just repro'd that: github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/issues/519
erg
brokenchicken That's on default Windows7 command prompts
Mithaldu brokenchicken: ^
please provide details in that bug report?
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Mithaldu brokenchicken: which release manager? 21:52
jnthn finally found some time to fix github.com/jnthn/grammar-debugger/issues/13
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robertle is there something crazy slow or special about IO::Socket::INET accept() ?? 21:56
jnthn Well, only that at present we implement sync I/O atop of libuv's async I/O, which gives a bit of overhead. 21:57
But I can't imagine it's all that much
We'll likely change that at some point in the not too distance future, though.
brokenchicken Mithaldu: stmuk_ 21:58
robertle ok, I'll do some more digging... I wrote a super silly fully-sync blocking http server, all of 50 lines! of course total nonsense, just fooling around. but it is awfully slow compared to a perl5 equivalent 21:59
Mithaldu brokenchicken: ok, so probably not joshuamy
robertle and it seems to spend all it's time in accept(), which is kinda fair after all that could be just waiting for a connection. but there are plenty of incoming connections, and as I said a perl5 equivalent is much fater...
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brokenchicken Nope 22:00
jnthn robertle: Hm, oddness.
Guess we can perf it etc. also
jnthn off to rest
'night, #perl6
brokenchicken Mithaldu: as for reporting stuff... Just email to [email@hidden.address] It's fine if it's just a summary or whatever. A brief ticket is better than no ticket at all. 22:01
night
Mithaldu brokenchicken: yeah, liz already told me :)
ciao o/
brokenchicken \o
Mithaldu oh wait, you mean jnthn :D
well
i'm happy something good came out of that
brokenchicken, if you can find the ticket again, please let me know
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Geth doc/language-section-examples: b729c96505 | Altai-man++ | util/extract-examples.p6
Make extract-examples script recognize `only` token and add an exclude list for Language/ section
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doc/language-section-examples: 9fc71c30c2 | Altai-man++ | 27 files
First stage of examples reworking in Language/ directory
dalek d-To-HTML/coke/html-test: 0b44eb2 | coke++ | t/09-Html.t:
Add a test for =pod Html

Issue #23		 22:10
yoleaux 30 Jan 2017 21:04Z <[Coke]> dalek: please switch this bot to use Geth.
[Coke] geth: source? 22:11
someone have the instructions for that? 22:12
sena_kun [Coke], what do you want to do?
[Coke] change the webhook to use geth instead of dalek. 22:13
nevermind, googledi t
sena_kun Anyway I can't help you here. :)
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brokenchicken Mithaldu: no, but I found the conversation of me pointing out sinar's tweet and asking about the issue they encountered: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6-dev/2017-...i_13853892 22:14
Geth Pod-To-HTML/coke/html-test: 0b44eb2aa4 | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | t/09-Html.t
Add a test for =pod Html

Issue #23
Mithaldu brokenchicken: that's only about half the issue 22:15
[Coke] .tell dalek update that repo to use Geth instead: Change the webhook to geth.perl6.party/?chan=#perl6-dev (or #moarvm for moarvm), Content-type: application/json and "Send me everything."
yoleaux [Coke]: I'll pass your message to dalek.
[Coke] would appreciate it if github.com/perl6/Pod-To-HTML/pulls/24 got some review. 22:16
brokenchicken heh
[Coke]: why do you always include question marks with bot commands? :)
Geth: source
Geth brokenchicken, Source at github.com/perl6/geth To add repo, add an 'application/json' webhook on GitHub pointing it to geth.perl6.party/?chan=#perl6 and choose 'Send me everything' for events to send | use `ver URL to commit` to fetch version bump changes
brokenchicken github.com/perl6/Pod-To-HTML/pull/24 22:17
[Coke] brokenchicken: because it's more natural. And all of my bots allow it. :)
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brokenchicken :) 22:17
[Coke] weird, wonder how I botched the s there 22:18
danke.
brokenchicken [Coke]: =begin Html <-- for me it'd be weird to write it that way. I'd use =begin HTML
sena_kun [Coke], do you (want to) review my docs PR this time?
[Coke] brokenchicken: sure, but we already have code that does that, and pod-to-html seems to allow for it (see linked source in linked issue to PR)
sena_kun: URL?
brokenchicken Geth: source? 22:19
Geth brokenchicken, Source at github.com/perl6/geth To add repo, add an 'application/json' webhook on GitHub pointing it to geth.perl6.party/?chan=#perl6 and choose 'Send me everything' for events to send | use `ver URL to commit` to fetch version bump changes
sena_kun [Coke], just a moment, I'm finishing it now...
brokenchicken geth: source?
Ahhhh
[Coke] brokenchicken: But even if you wrote HTML, it'd still not pass it through raw. :|
brokenchicken: :)
sena_kun: will have to do it later this evening.
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Geth doc: Altai-man++ created pull request #1176:
Language section examples reworking (part two)		 22:22
robertle is this interesting?? Spesh: get_osr_deopt_index failed 22:23
Geth doc/language-section-examples: 19 commits pushed by (Antonio Quinonez)++, (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++, (Will "Coke" Coleda)++, (Zoffix Znet)++, (Samantha McVey)++, Altai-man++
review: github.com/perl6/doc/compare/9fc71...32b2eb8571
brokenchicken hehe 22:25
sena_kun [Coke], I've requested your review just now. There are nothing special though, just some preparation work. I've reviewed it twice and checked a look of all changed pages in a browser, so it should be fine. 22:27
And we need to un-skip signatures from operators.pod6, since they're working now. But it definetely will be only after some sleep. 'night, #perl6. 22:29
brokenchicken night
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brokenchicken robertle: no idea, but a wild guess is failing to do something is bad :) 22:36
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perlpilot looks like spesh had trouble pessimizing something 22:38
robertle this happens only when I do --profile 22:39
anyway, good night... 22:41
brokenchicken night
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brokenchicken Seems both the build for my PR and for the PR from 2 days ago say "build canceled": travis-ci.org/MoarVM/MoarVM/builds/197770188 22:53
no explanation :/
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El_Che brokenchicken: there is a max of 50m runtime on travis 23:02
brokenchicken brabo: yeah, but MoarVM builds in like 20 seconds :/ 23:05
El_Che are you using the compiler of the guy that popped in yesterday? ;)
brokenchicken No.
El_Che: rakudo builds take time, but MoarVM is fast to build 23:06
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stmuk_ with reference to R* Windows linenoise issues this has been mentioned in the Errata at perl6.org/downloads/ 23:16
I'm not finding the twitter traffic particularly helpful 23:18
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stmuk_ rt.perl.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=128632 23:27
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brokenchicken aww... I was hoping the issue was fixed when I couldn't produce it anymore :() 23:34
Oh wait. 23:35
I think there's a dupe ticket for that
Geth perl6.org: 2db7f5bfda | (Steve Mynott)++ | source/downloads/index.html
explicity mention Linenoise as problematic on windows
brokenchicken Yeah: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id...et-history
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Mithaldu i still can't imagine how linenoise plays into code that looks like it uses only builtins, but whatever 23:37
it's probably also a good idea to actually include errata in the tarball itself, as that position for that knowledge is absolutely tribal knowledge 23:38
and errata should be date-stamped
stmuk_ well the problem with that is that generally issues are only reported *after* the release
brokenchicken Mithaldu: there's logic that mixes in its functionality into REPL: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...#L226-L269
Mithaldu sure, so you make a point release to include the mention of the brokenness
brokenchicken Seems a lot of effort. 23:39
stmuk_ if you think that's a good idea you produce a point release
brokenchicken :D
brokenchicken doesn't see release notes for 2017.01 in github.com/rakudo/star/tree/master...s/announce 23:40
But what I was gonna suggest is to include the URL to errata page in the announcement in visible page. So if folks encounter issues they'd know where to look first
Mithaldu brokenchicken: actually that seems like a good compromise 23:41
have the readme mention the place to look for possible issues
brokenchicken +1
stmuk_ git grep for November to find the January release ;) 23:42
github.com/rakudo/star/blob/master...2017.01.md
PRs welcome!
brokenchicken Oh, it *is* there, I just misread it as 2016.07 -_-
I need to take a break from computer :P
stmuk_ I have thought about removing all pre Xmas announcements 23:43
there are too many
brokenchicken And I haven't forgotted about adding-back the 'archive' on the downloads page, as I promised. I've just been lazy :}
stmuk_ you don't seem to have been that lazy to me :) 23:44
anyway I thought the windows linenoise fairly minor compared with the twitter reports of windows roast failures
which I've never seen myself 23:45
Mithaldu brokenchicken: that REPL code makes me want to refactor that horrid christmas tree with all these unnecessary nodes
github.com/rakudo/star/pull/85
readme pr done 23:46
oh god, that entire file
why are there so many if { ...; return } else { ...; } constructs? 23:47
does perl 6 still have postfix if?
stmuk_ ok I'll merge it even although retrospective accounces don't work in order to make in more likely to go into the next announce 23:48
Mithaldu stmuk_: if you have better ideas, i'm not married to it :)
stmuk_ no that's a useful addition .. thanks
Mithaldu cheers 23:49
stmuk_: i'm also confused what you mean with the announce, given that the edit was to readme 23:50
stmuk_ oh sorry you are right I'm tired 23:51
Mithaldu :)
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stmuk_ anyway sleep and then FOSDEM! 23:56
Mithaldu stmuk_: thanks, and enjoy :) 23:58
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