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| samcv | TreyHarris, support is now in mi6 \o/ | 00:00 | |
| AlexDaniel | … junctions? … | ||
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| TreyHarris | iyra: that's an unusual question. you have a variable to a hash and you want to see if the same hash is present in a list? | 00:00 | |
| iyra | I was thinking more that I have a list of hashes like: ({'year'=>2017, 'month'=>2}, {'year'=>2016, 'month'=>11}, ...) and I want to check if something like {'year':2014, 'month':9} exists in there | 00:02 | |
| so, it's not an array of hash variables, just an array of hashes | 00:03 | ||
| TreyHarris | sorry, that's what I meant, but like this: | 00:05 | |
| m: my %h = (:1st, :2nd); my %j = (:3rd, :4th); my @a = (%h, %j); say @a.contains({:1st, :2nd}) | |||
| camelia | True | ||
| TreyHarris | m: my %h = (:1st, :2nd); my %j = (:3rd, :4th); my @a = (%h, %j); say @a.contains({:1st,}) | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| TreyHarris | m: my %h = (:1st, :2nd); my %j = (:3rd, :4th); my @a = (%h, %j); say @a.contains({:6th,}) | 00:06 | |
| camelia | False | ||
| TreyHarris | is that the behavior you want? | ||
| iyra: or check for the entire hash? | |||
| iyra | yes, that seems to be what I want | 00:08 | |
| thanks | |||
| I'll give it a go | |||
| TreyHarris | iyra: fyi, the "{'year':2014, 'month':9} syntax is incorrect | 00:10 | |
| iyra | oh | ||
| for a hash? | |||
| TreyHarris | yes--you want {:year(2014)} or { year => 2014 } | ||
| sorry, no, I typoed--those braces should be parens | 00:11 | ||
| iyra | thank you, but I want to ask: can you have spaces or other strange characters in hash keys, then? | ||
| TreyHarris | for hash assignment | ||
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| iyra | i thought the parens were lists :D | 00:12 | |
| TreyHarris | iyra: of course. but you can't use the syntactic sugar as easily. | ||
| Geth | doc: 1d656857c9 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 4 files Make `make xtest` pass |
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| TreyHarris | m: my %h = ('a key' => 2000, :nother-key(3)); say %h<nother-key>; say %h<a key>; say %h{'a key'} | ||
| camelia | 3 ((Any) (Any)) 2000 |
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| TreyHarris | iyra: do you understand the camelia output above? | 00:15 | |
| iyra | yes | ||
| okay, that makes sense | |||
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| MasterDuke_ | TreyHarris: .contains is a string function. it works (sometimes) because the array you're .contains'ing on stringifies to something that has the same string as the argument stringifies to | 00:16 | |
| iyra | what should be used instead to test hash presence in a list? | 00:17 | |
| MasterDuke_ | grep or first probably | 00:18 | |
| ~~ might work also | |||
| TreyHarris | MasterDuke_: I couldn't get ~~ to work, in either direction | 00:19 | |
| MasterDuke_ | m: my @a = <a b c>; dd @a; say @a.contains('a b') | ||
| camelia | Array @a = ["a", "b", "c"] True |
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| MasterDuke_ | m: my @a = <a b c>; dd @a; say 'a b' ~~ @a; say 'a' ~~ @a | 00:20 | |
| camelia | Array @a = ["a", "b", "c"] False False |
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| MasterDuke_ | yeah, first or grep, not ~~ | 00:21 | |
| TreyHarris | MasterDuke_: can you illustrate the syntax for first or grep? i had to write it out longhand to get it to work, i suspect there's shorthand | ||
| m: my %h = (:1st, :2nd); my %j = (:3rd, :4th); my @a = (%h, %j); say @a.grep({ $_ === %h }) | 00:24 | ||
| camelia | ({nd => 2, st => 1}) | ||
| TreyHarris | like that | ||
| MasterDuke_ | hm, i'm not thinking all that quickly. let me see | 00:25 | |
| TreyHarris | iyra: take note of what MasterDuke_ just pointed out. .contains is a string-contains, which may be what you want (but if it is it's a kludge) | 00:26 | |
| iyra | I think i'll go with grep, because it seemed to work in a test case I did, but thanks | 00:27 | |
| TreyHarris | m: my %h = (:1st, :2nd); my %j = (:3rd, :4th); my @a = (%h, %j); say @a.first({ $_<th>:exists }) | 00:30 | |
| camelia | {rd => 3, th => 4} | ||
| samcv | help | ||
| m: say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(/ LICENSE/) | |||
| camelia | (LICENSE) | ||
| samcv | m: say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(/:i LICENSE/) | 00:31 | |
| camelia | (.travis.aaayml LICENSE) | ||
| samcv | why does this happen? | ||
| m: say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(m:i/ LICENSE/) | |||
| camelia | Use of uninitialized value of type Any in string context. Methods .^name, .perl, .gist, or .say can be used to stringify it to something meaningful. in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 () |
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| samcv | m: say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep({$_ ~~ m:i/ LICENSE/}) | 00:31 | |
| camelia | (.travis.aaayml LICENSE) | ||
| samcv | :( | ||
| i'm confused | |||
| TreyHarris | what does say return? | ||
| multi method say(--> Bool:D) | 00:32 | ||
| oh, there's a space there, sorry | 00:33 | ||
| samcv: you want 'rx', not 'm' | 00:34 | ||
| to pass the regex to grep rather than pass the result of matching $_ against it | 00:35 | ||
| m: say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(rx:i/ LICENSE/) | 00:36 | ||
| camelia | (.travis.aaayml LICENSE) | ||
| TreyHarris | uh... that's not what I get | 00:37 | |
| m: my @a = ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(rx:i/ LICENSE/); @a.say | 00:38 | ||
| camelia | [.travis.aaayml LICENSE] | ||
| TreyHarris | I'm getting just LICENSE on my perl6 install | 00:39 | |
| samcv | bisectable6, say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(rx:i/ LICENSE/) | ||
| bisectable6, help | |||
| TreyHarris, what version do you have for `perl6 --version` | 00:40 | ||
| TreyHarris | This is Rakudo version 2017.03-123-gcb27bce built on MoarVM version 2017.03-87-g5d73bf4 | 00:41 | |
| implementing Perl 6.c. | 00:42 | ||
| looks like bisectable6 wants you to use a colon, not a comma.... and it just died anyway :) | |||
| samcv | hm | ||
| great :) | |||
| evalable6, say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(rx:i/ LICENSE/) | |||
| evalable6: say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(rx:i/ LICENSE/) | |||
| committable6: help | 00:43 | ||
| committable6 | samcv, Like this: committable6: f583f22,HEAD say ‘hello’; say ‘world’ # See wiki for more examples: github.com/perl6/whateverable/wiki/Committable | ||
| samcv | committable6: evalable6: say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(rx:i/ LICENSE/) | ||
| committable6 | samcv, ¦evalable6:: «Cannot find this revision (did you mean “6a86a67”?)» | ||
| samcv | err. | ||
| iyra | what's a good way to access the 'year' element of this list? List $month = $(:year(2017), :month(2)) | ||
| TreyHarris | m: say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(rx:i/ nothing/) | ||
| camelia | () | ||
| samcv | committable6, 2017.02.HEAD say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(rx:i/ LICENSE/) | ||
| committable6 | samcv, ¦2017.02.HEAD: «Cannot find this revision (did you mean “2017.04.2”?)» | ||
| TreyHarris | m: say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(rx:i/ aaa/) | ||
| camelia | (.travis.aaayml) | ||
| TreyHarris | m: say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(rx:i/ license/) | ||
| camelia | (.travis.aaayml LICENSE) | ||
| samcv | committable6, HEAD say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(rx:i/ LICENSE/) | ||
| AlexDaniel, help | 00:44 | ||
| AlexDaniel | релло :) | ||
| hello* | |||
| samcv | bisectable is dead :( | 00:45 | |
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| TreyHarris | samcv: ask and ye shall receive | 00:46 | |
| samcv | bisectable6: say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(rx:i/ LICENSE/) | ||
| bisectable6 | samcv, No build for revision “HEAD” | ||
| AlexDaniel | samcv: three minutes please :) | ||
| samcv | ok :) | ||
| AlexDaniel | for some reason whateverable keeps producing broken builds | 00:47 | |
| TreyHarris | iyra: $month[0]<year> ... but why did you choose such an odd structure to store that in? | ||
| AlexDaniel | I don't think there was this problem before | ||
| something, somewhere became less stable… hmmm… | 00:48 | ||
| iyra | TreyHarris, I thought I was storing it into a hash, actually.. I'm not sure what happened. here is the code I use to add each element to the list: @m.push: (year => $date.year, month => $date.month); | ||
| TreyHarris | iyra: put braces around the anonymous hash, not parens | 00:51 | |
| AlexDaniel | bisectable6: new=HEAD^ say ('.travis.aaayml', 'LICENSE').grep(rx:i/ LICENSE/) | 00:52 | |
| bisectable6 | AlexDaniel, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=HEAD^) because on both starting points the exit code is 0 | ||
| AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/b5768f8133ff9fb69e...f49db11471 | |||
| AlexDaniel, (2017-04-14) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/82...75f0bf0f7e | |||
| AlexDaniel | samcv: actually, no reason to wait ↑ | ||
| samcv | hmm | ||
| m: say ".travis.aaayml' ~~ m:i/LICENSE/ | 00:53 | ||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Unable to parse expression in double quotes; couldn't find final '"' at <tmp>:1 ------> 3say ".travis.aaayml' ~~ m:i/LICENSE/7⏏5<EOL> expecting any of: argument list do… |
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| samcv | m: say ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/LICENSE/ | ||
| camelia | ｢l｣ | ||
| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/LICENSE/ | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| iyra | TreyHarris, thanks | ||
| samcv | wtf | ||
| ahh | |||
| AlexDaniel | :o | ||
| samcv | how this happen. and tests not catch it in roast? | 00:54 | |
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| AlexDaniel | this… looks very broken | 00:54 | |
| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/LICENS/ | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| AlexDaniel | /o\ | ||
| samcv | somethings but not others | ||
| m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/LICEN/ | |||
| camelia | True | ||
| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/LICE/ | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| samcv | idk what it's doing... | ||
| AlexDaniel | e: say 42 | ||
| evalable6 | No build for 9ed89d947. Not sure how this happened! | ||
| AlexDaniel | haha XD | 00:55 | |
| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/eeeeeeee/ | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/eeeeee/ | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/eeeeeeb | ||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Regex not terminated. at <tmp>:1 ------> 3say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/eeeeeeb7⏏5<EOL> Couldn't find terminator / (corresponding / was at line 1) at <tmp>:1 ------> 3say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/eeeeeeb7⏏5<EO… |
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| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/eeeeeeb/ | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/eeeb/ | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/license/ | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/licensee/ | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/licenseee/ | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/licenseeee/ | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| samcv | hmm... really. | ||
| TreyHarris | m: my @a; @a.push: {:year(2017), :month(2) }; @a.push: {:year(2106), :month(2)}; @a.push: { year => 2015, month => 12 }; say @a.map(*<month>) # for iyra | ||
| camelia | (2 2 12) | ||
| samcv | this is super odd | ||
| m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/alicenseeee/ | |||
| camelia | False | ||
| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/licenseeee/ | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| samcv | m: say so "travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/licenseeee/ | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/licenseeee/ | 00:56 | |
| camelia | True | ||
| samcv | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/iicenseeee/ | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| samcv | only with the letter l? | ||
| samcv dies | |||
| m: for 'a'..'z' { say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/ $_ 'icenseeee'/ } | 00:57 | ||
| camelia | False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False |
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| samcv | m: for 'a'..'z' { my $string = "$_" ~ "icense"; say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/$string/ } | ||
| camelia | False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False False |
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| samcv | m: use MONKEY; for 'a'..'z' { my $string = "$_" ~ "icense"; EVAL qq 'say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/$string/' } | 00:58 | |
| camelia | False False False False False False False False False False False True False False False False False False False False False False False False False False |
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| samcv | o.O | ||
| TreyHarris | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/license/ | 00:59 | |
| camelia | True | ||
| TreyHarris | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/licens/ | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| TreyHarris | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/lic/ | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| TreyHarris | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/li/ | 01:00 | |
| camelia | True | ||
| TreyHarris | m: say so ".travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/yay/ | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| TreyHarris | m: say so ".travis.aaaym" ~~ m:i/license/ | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| TreyHarris | m: say so ".travis.aaaym" ~~ m:i/mule/ | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| TreyHarris | m: say so ".travis.aaaymX" ~~ m:i/mule/ | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| TreyHarris | m: say so ".travis.aaaymX" ~~ m:i/xray/ | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| samcv | m: use MONKEY; for ^100 { for 'a'..'z' { my $string = "$_" ~ "icense"; EVAL qq 'say "$_" if so "{('a'..'z').pick}travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/$string/' } } | ||
| iyra | it would be nice if this returned true... | 01:01 | |
| m: my @m; @m.push: {year=>2017, month=>4}; say so @m.grep({year=>2017, month=>4}); | |||
| samcv | m: use MONKEY; for ^10 { for 'a'..'z' { my $string = "$_" ~ "icense"; EVAL qq 'say "$_" if so "{('a'..'z').pick}travis.aaayml" ~~ m:i/$string/' } } | ||
| camelia | (timeout)l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l… |
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| TreyHarris | samcv: last character on left matches anything starting with that on right | ||
| samcv | it only is wrong for the letter l | ||
| TreyHarris | m: say so ".travis.aaaymX" ~~ m:i/xray/ | 01:02 | |
| camelia | True | ||
| samcv | oh | ||
| TreyHarris | that's right? | ||
| samcv | no | ||
| TreyHarris | looks wrong to me | ||
| samcv | yeah | ||
| TreyHarris | m: say so ".travis.aaaymn" ~~ m:i/nono/ | ||
| camelia | True | ||
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| samcv | ok i see | 01:02 | |
| last on left matches 1st on right | 01:03 | ||
| m: "abc" ~~ m:i/caaaaa/ | |||
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| samcv | m: say "abc" ~~ m:i/caaaaa/ | ||
| camelia | ｢c｣ | ||
| samcv | ok at least we know what's causing it | ||
| m: say "ab" ~~ m:i/aa/ | 01:04 | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| samcv | m: say "ab" ~~ m:i/ba/ | ||
| camelia | ｢b｣ | ||
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| samcv | and it only happens if it's actually in the text of the file. but doesn't happen if the regex is on a variable | 01:06 | |
| ugexe | m: my @m; @m.push: {year=>2017, month=>4}; say so @m.grep(*.<year> == 2017 && *.<month> == 4); # iyra you want to use comparison operators | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| iyra | ugexe, thanks a lot! | 01:07 | |
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| AlexDaniel | e: say 42 | 01:17 | |
| evalable6 | 42 | ||
| AlexDaniel | \o/ | ||
| took 3 attempts to get it right… :S | |||
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| samcv | now that i have tests written. i gotta fix this regex thing... | 01:19 | |
| TreyHarris | m: my $m = {:year(2000), :month(2)}.Map; say so $m ~~ $m | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| TreyHarris | why? | ||
| eater | m: class B { method A { say "f"; } }; my $d = "A"; my $b = B.new; $b.($d)(); | ||
| camelia | No such method 'CALL-ME' for invocant of type 'B' in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| eater | how do I get this to work? | ||
| u-ou | wow, Grammar::Debugger is nice | 01:20 | |
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| TreyHarris | m: my $m = {:year(2000), :month(2)}.Map; say $m.WHICH | 01:21 | |
| camelia | Map|Str|month(2) Str|year(2000) | ||
| geekosaur | m: class B { method A { say "f"; } }; my $d = "A"; my $b = B.new; $b."$d"(); | ||
| camelia | f | ||
| eater | geekosaur: oh | ||
| thanks | |||
| TreyHarris | shouldn't that make $m ~~ $m True? | ||
| geekosaur | there's also ::($x) but this form is optimized iirc | ||
| eater | geekosaur: this being? | 01:22 | |
| geekosaur | the ."$x" form | ||
| TreyHarris | being an immutable container, I thought that's how Map was supposed to work | ||
| I was thinking that was the answer to iyra in general if he didn't want to compare each key, or if the elements of the list contained mappings with different keys. But it doesn't work. | 01:25 | ||
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| TreyHarris | two identical maps do not cmp or smartmatch. | 01:26 | |
| they do cmp. they don't smartmatch, so they don't grep or first | |||
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| Zoffix | TreyHarris: the $m ~~ $m thing, yeah, should be true. Right not it's checking for key $m in $m | 01:29 | |
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| It's in my TODO list to fix. | |||
| TreyHarris | ok | 01:30 | |
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| eater | Zoffix: are you able to turn on Travis CI for perl6/ecosystem? | 01:31 | |
| Zoffix | eater: shows it as On already | 01:32 | |
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| Zoffix | eater: I see no .travis file in master | 01:34 | |
| Geth | ecosystem: 09dc1056b6 | eater++ (committed by Zoffix Znet) | 2 files Add travis tests for newly added packages (#323) * Add travis tests for newly added packages * Travis: add comment explaining why we are skipping certain lines * disable building on branch update, use @zoffixznet's code |
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| eater | Zoffix: hmmm, didn't show on for me in travis | ||
| maybe someone else did it | 01:35 | ||
| thanks anywa | |||
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| samcv | ok at least i've figuredd out the case insensitive bug happens in the indexic op | 01:35 | |
| but i know how to fix it | |||
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| samcv | though not 100% sure why it's happening. but i can just add an extra check to make sure that the searched for string is not longer than the end of the haystack | 01:36 | |
| Geth | ecosystem: d5273ec199 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | README.md Add Travis badge |
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| eater | Zoffix: it only builds PRs? so how would a badge help? :') | 01:37 | |
| Zoffix | eater: oh. | ||
| samcv | this is a really bad bug though :( | ||
| Zoffix | Well, badge would help look at result? | ||
| samcv | we already did a point release rigth ;) | ||
| eater | I mean I could make it test every package on branch update | 01:38 | |
| Zoffix | Still says no builds... travis-ci.org/perl6/ecosystem | ||
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| Zoffix | Dunno. In profile is says the repo is enabled | 01:38 | |
| samcv | i mean branch update might be useful. just set it as ignored? | ||
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| eater | Zoffix: ye, if you open a | 01:38 | |
| PR with a new package is should do a thing\ | |||
| Geth | ecosystem/zoffixznet-patch-1: 96707c7b46 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list use modern META name |
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| ecosystem: zoffixznet++ created pull request #325: use modern META name |
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| Zoffix | cool, it's doing things | 01:41 | |
| eater: perhaps it's better for it to build on new updates to HEAD when the update is in META.list. Plenty of PRs get merged within minututes or even seconds | 01:42 | ||
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| mst | I choose to code Perl 6 only from now on and will contribute to core code a lot! | 01:43 | |
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| Zoffix | tehe | 01:43 | |
| eater | Zoffix: hmm the only question is then how to notify people about it? | ||
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| Zoffix | eater: how will it notify now? We just wait for travis to complete before merging? | 01:44 | |
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| eater | ye, but I can understand that's too slow :') | 01:44 | |
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| Zoffix | What I forsee happening if we wait is there'll be forgotten PRs because people would see notifcation, come look and see travis still working, and leave and forget about the PR | 01:45 | |
| u-ou | mst: no more perl 5? | ||
| mst | ah, it was zoffix being a twit | ||
| Zoffix | :) | 01:46 | |
| u-ou | ;o | ||
| mst | sadly he changed nick back again shortly before the ghost landed | ||
| Zoffix | hehe | ||
| eater | Zoffix: ye, hmmm.. I'll look into what I can do to fix that | 01:47 | |
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| Zoffix | eater: maybe add irc notifications? Currently travis bot is AWOL, but when it works, we'd have it complain in channel and someone can just comment on the PR saying there are failures or something | 01:48 | |
| eater | post-merge? | 01:49 | |
| Zoffix | Yeah | ||
| Or open an Issue on the failing module | |||
| eater | why not directly comment? | ||
| Zoffix | eater: or that, if it's possible | ||
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| eater | well your package is all fine :> | 01:50 | |
| Zoffix: will look into it tomorrow | |||
| but its 4AM, now so I geuss Im gonna get some sleep first :') | |||
| Zoffix | .oO( or have some bot auto-merge after it passes or something ) |
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| eater | isn't there an option, merge after succesful build? | 01:51 | |
| Zoffix | No idea | ||
| If there is, that'd be sweet | |||
| eater | chrisdown.name/2015/09/27/auto-mer...is-ci.html | ||
| that would automate the whole thing | |||
| Zoffix | Cool. Maybe, if possible, add some protection that watches when stuff gets removed. If more stuff got removed than stuff got added, don't merge and tell a human to merge. We don't want someone accidentally to bump off a module and not notice it | 01:52 | |
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| samcv | ok hopefully i fixed that nasty regex bug.... | 01:53 | |
| running spectest now | |||
| Geth | ecosystem: 0e0a9af96a | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list use modern META name (#325) |
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| samcv | so we have two point releases already... hmm | 01:54 | |
| who's up for another :) | |||
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| MasterDuke_ | m: my @a = {:1a, :2b}, {:3c, :4d}, {:5e, :6f}; say so @a.first(* eqv {:3c, :4d}) | 02:10 | |
| camelia | True | ||
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| MasterDuke_ | TreyHarris, iyra: bunch of distractions, but ^^^ is what i was thinking of | 02:11 | |
| samcv | gonna have to change the internal loop to return information about how many characters it expands | ||
| though for indexic op we really need to return in addition to whether or not it found the index, but if it DID find the index, we need to know how many it expanded | 02:12 | ||
| though not sure how to do the second one. | |||
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| samcv | but should be able to internally change it for now, and will decide about the ops later. because we'll need to somehow convey info that 'sta' ~~ m:i/st/ should return only one cp | 02:13 | |
| and not return 'sta' | |||
| so looks like i'm having to deal with this at least partially to fix this bug | 02:15 | ||
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| TreyHarris | MasterDuke_: yeah, but in general a list of structlikes should be maps or objects, not anonymous hashes, and then you can just grep them directly (well, whenever the bug with Map is fixed) | 02:17 | |
| a list of anonymous hashes is a p5ism that doesn't seem as useful in Perl 6 | |||
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| MasterDuke_ | could be. but the result of a from-json would likely have a list of hashes you might want to search | 02:25 | |
| and yeah, you'll usually be searching just by key or value, but if you want to see if k/v pair is present... | 02:26 | ||
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| Xliff | \o | 02:28 | |
| m: my @a = qw<1 2 3 a 5 6>; @a.grep(Int).say | 02:29 | ||
| camelia | () | ||
| Xliff | m: my @a = qw<1 2 3 a 5 6>; @a.grep({ Int }).say | ||
| camelia | () | ||
| Xliff | m: my @a = qw<1 2 3 a 5 6>; @a.grep({ * ~~ Int }).say | ||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Malformed double closure; WhateverCode is already a closure without curlies, so either remove the curlies or use valid parameter syntax instead of * at <tmp>:1 ------> 3 = qw<1 2 3 a 5 6>; @a.grep({ *… |
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| Xliff | m: my @a = qw<1 2 3 a 5 6>; @a.grep( * ~~ Int ).say | ||
| camelia | () | ||
| Xliff | :( | ||
| MasterDuke_ | m: my @a = qw<1 2 3 a 5 6>; @a.grep( * ~~ IntStr ).say | 02:30 | |
| Xliff | m: my @a = qw<1 2 3 a 5 6>.grep: Int; @a.say | ||
| camelia | () | ||
| [] | |||
| Xliff | m: my @a = qw<1 2 3 a 5 6>; say @a; | 02:31 | |
| camelia | [1 2 3 a 5 6] | ||
| Xliff | rut roh | ||
| m: my @a = (1, 2, 3, 'a', 5, 6); say @a; | |||
| camelia | [1 2 3 a 5 6] | ||
| Xliff | Hrm. | ||
| docs.perl6.org/routine/grep <-- implies that should work. | 02:32 | ||
| m: say ('hello', 1, 22/7, 42, 'world').grep: Int; | |||
| camelia | (1 42) | ||
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| Xliff | Aaand... it does! | 02:32 | |
| m: my @a = (1, 2, 3, 'a', 5, 6); say @a[0].WHAT; | |||
| camelia | (Int) | ||
| Xliff | m: my @a = (1, 2, 3, 'a', 5, 6); say @a[0].NAME; | 02:33 | |
| camelia | No such method 'NAME' for invocant of type 'Int' in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| Xliff | m: my @a = (1, 2, 3, 'a', 5, 6); say @a[0].^name; | ||
| camelia | Int | ||
| MasterDuke_ | m: my @a = qw<1 2 3 a 5 6>; @a.grep( { $_ ~~ IntStr } ).say | ||
| camelia | () | ||
| MasterDuke_ | m: my @a = <1 2 3 a 5 6>; @a.grep( * ~~ IntStr ).say | ||
| camelia | (1 2 3 5 6) | ||
| Xliff | m: say (1, 2, 3, 'a', 5 6).grep: Int; | 02:34 | |
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Two terms in a row at <tmp>:1 ------> 3say (1, 2, 3, 'a', 57⏏5 6).grep: Int; expecting any of: infix infix stopper statement end statement modifier… |
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| Xliff | m: say (1, 2, 3, 'a', 5, 6).grep: Int; | ||
| camelia | (1 2 3 5 6) | ||
| Xliff | So that works. But when assigning to an array, it doesn't? | ||
| m: say (1, 2, 3, 'a', 5, 6).grep(Int); | |||
| camelia | (1 2 3 5 6) | ||
| Xliff | m: my @a = qw<1 2 3 a 5 6>; say @a.list.grep(Int) | 02:35 | |
| camelia | () | ||
| Xliff | m: my @a = qw<1 2 3 a 5 6>; say @a.list.grep: Int | ||
| camelia | () | ||
| Xliff | m: say (1, 2, 3, 'a', 5, 6).grep(Str); | ||
| camelia | (a) | ||
| Xliff | m: say (1, 2, 3, 'a', 5, 6).grep(Cool); | ||
| camelia | (1 2 3 a 5 6) | ||
| Xliff | m: say (1, 2, 3, 'a', 5, 6).grep(Rat); | ||
| camelia | () | ||
| Xliff | ?!? | ||
| m: say (1, 2, 3, 'a', 5, 6).grep(Num); | |||
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| Xliff | m: say (1, 2, 3, 'a', 5, 6).grep(* ~~ IntStr); | 02:36 | |
| camelia | () | ||
| MasterDuke_ | m: my @a = <1 2 3 a 5 6>; say @a.list.map( { $_.WHAT } ) | ||
| camelia | ((IntStr) (IntStr) (IntStr) (Str) (IntStr) (IntStr)) | ||
| MasterDuke_ | m: my @a = qw<1 2 3 a 5 6>; say @a.list.map( { $_.WHAT } ) | ||
| camelia | ((Str) (Str) (Str) (Str) (Str) (Str)) | ||
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| Xliff | OK. IntStr coz use of q/qq | 02:37 | |
| So this is actually not what I really want to test. | |||
| m: my %a = { 1 => 1, 2 => 2, 3 => 3, 'a' => 4 }; %a.keys.say | 02:38 | ||
| camelia | Potential difficulties: Useless use of hash composer on right side of hash assignment; did you mean := instead? at <tmp>:1 ------> 3a = { 1 => 1, 2 => 2, 3 => 3, 'a' => 4 }7⏏5; %a.keys.say (1 a 3 2) |
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| camelia | (a 1 3 2) | ||
| Xliff | m: my %a = ( 1 => 1, 2 => 2, 3 => 3, 'a' => 4 ); %a.keys.grep(Int).say | ||
| camelia | () | ||
| Xliff | m: my %a = ( 1 => 1, 2 => 2, 3 => 3, 'a' => 4 ); %a.keys.grep(IntStr).say | ||
| camelia | () | ||
| Xliff | m: my %a = ( 1 => 1, 2 => 2, 3 => 3, 'a' => 4 ); %a.keys.map({ $_.WHAT }).say | 02:39 | |
| camelia | ((Str) (Str) (Str) (Str)) | ||
| Xliff | m: my %a = ( 1 => 1, 2 => 2, 3 => 3); %a.keys.map({ $_.WHAT }).say | ||
| camelia | ((Str) (Str) (Str)) | ||
| Xliff | O_o | ||
| So all hash keys are Str?! | |||
| MasterDuke_ | yeah, unless you specify a typed hash | 02:40 | |
| Xliff | *Isigh* | ||
| Good to know. Thanks. | |||
| So I know what I need now. | |||
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| geekosaur | "object hash" is the magic phrase you're looking for | 02:44 | |
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| Xliff | Thanks, geekosaur | 02:53 | |
| m: say "0.00" <=> "0.01" | |||
| camelia | Less | ||
| Xliff | m: say "0.01" <=> "0.00" | ||
| camelia | More | ||
| Xliff | m: say "0.01".val <=> "0.012".val | ||
| camelia | No such method 'val' for invocant of type 'Str' in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| Xliff | m: say "0.01".Num | 02:55 | |
| camelia | 0.01 | ||
| geekosaur | I think you don't need to convert there because <=> does it (leg is the string version) | 02:57 | |
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| poohman | t | 03:13 | |
| p6:say 3 | 03:14 | ||
| p6:say 3; | |||
| MasterDuke_ | poohman: need a space after the : | ||
| poohman | thanks | ||
| p6: say 3; | 03:15 | ||
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| poohman | Masterduke -Thanks, been awhile since I was here | 03:15 | |
| MasterDuke_ | np | 03:16 | |
| poohman | tried to run a few native call examples yesterday - gtk::Simple . Had downloaded Gtk::simple using zef - but had the message no libgtk-3.so | 03:18 | |
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| camelia | (my Any %{Cool} = IntStr.new(3, "3") => 1, :a(2)) Ambiguous call to 'infix:<cmp>'; these signatures all match: :(Int:D \a, Rational:D \b) :(Str:D \a, Str:D \b --> Order:D) in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| TreyHarris | I get the same thing when I use a typed hash with any supertype and use keys from two different subtypes | 03:24 | |
| m: my %h{Cool}; %h<3> = 1; %h<a> = 2; %h<2.0> = 3; for %h.kv -> $k, $v { say "$k: $v" } | 03:26 | ||
| camelia | 3: 1 2.0: 3 a: 2 |
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| camelia | 3: 1 2.0: 3 a: 2 Ambiguous call to 'infix:<cmp>'; these signatures all match: :(Int:D \a, Rational:D \b) :(Str:D \a, Str:D \b --> Order:D) in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| MasterDuke_ | poohman: don't know anything about gtk::simple or nativecall. might want to ask jnthn or timotimo when they're around | 03:29 | |
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| poohman | MasterDuke: ok thanks | 03:31 | |
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| isBEKaml | OHHAI, can I not use HEAD builds for MoarVm with NQP anymore now? I is sad :-( | 03:53 | |
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| TreyHarris | what is the correct syntax for plan :skip-all? | 04:00 | |
| m: use Test; plan :skip-all; | |||
| camelia | 1..0 # Skipped: True | ||
| TreyHarris | that seems nice, but it doesn't work when run via mi6, I get a signature error: | 04:01 | |
| Cannot resolve caller plan(:skip-all); none of these signatures match: | 04:02 | ||
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| TreyHarris | bisectable6: new=HEAD^ use Test; plan :skip-all; | 04:04 | |
| bisectable6 | TreyHarris, Bisecting by exit code (old=2015.12 new=HEAD^). Old exit code: 1 | ||
| TreyHarris, bisect log: gist.github.com/ff3c55d12ad71472cc...a9bc437f89 | |||
| TreyHarris, (2017-04-05) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/14...4391fe6617 | |||
| TreyHarris | ah, it wasn't implemented yet in rakudo yet. | 04:05 | |
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| samcv | bug has been fixed in PR here. if anyone wants to take a look github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/pull/586 | 06:07 | |
| detailed explanation for bug and fix in PR body | |||
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| samcv | i'm still trying to think the best way to eventually expose this extra data. what would make most sense for indexic to return back... cause i can set return values of the INTERNAL loop to whatever i want, but still need an api of how to relay info on the length of the match. | 06:15 | |
| i would use 0 = no match and >0 means it found a match of such and such a length in the haystack, and if the length is equal to the needle's length then you know there was no expansion | 06:16 | ||
| but that presents the problem of that an empty string is supposed to be found in every string. | |||
| and that would be a match of 0 codepoints... so is the kicker | 06:17 | ||
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| u-ou | hi | 06:32 | |
| samcv | hi u-ou | ||
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| samcv | looks like travis ci is switching to dist: trusty on april 29th or something | 06:41 | |
| which is when ubuntu EOL's updates on it or something | |||
| actually wait. i'm not sure... what it actually means | 06:42 | ||
| blog.travis-ci.com/2017-04-17-precise-EOL looks like change in q3? though | |||
| maybe they're just warning you it's EOLing | |||
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| yoleaux | 21 Apr 2017 19:41Z <TimToady> sena_kun: File::Ignore is working again | ||
| 21 Apr 2017 20:46Z <samcv> sena_kun: thanks! | |||
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| sena_kun | p6: say 1; | 07:39 | |
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| nadim | Morning! can one have a man page installed when installing with zef? | ||
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| samcv | i don't think that's an option currently but if somebody wanted to add it. | 07:41 | |
| u-ou | is there a way to say the type List of Str? | 07:42 | |
| like in a returns statement | |||
| samcv | the type List? | ||
| of Str. what does that mean | |||
| u-ou | I guess there's only one type of List | ||
| nvm | 07:43 | ||
| sena_kun | [Str], [Int], I can guess. | ||
| samcv | well. there are for nqp | ||
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| samcv | m: ('blah','blah').^attributes.say | 07:46 | |
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| poohman | test | 07:51 | |
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| moritz | \o | 08:01 | |
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| moritz | timotimo: fwiw the automatic update of perl6-all-modules seems to work now | 08:03 | |
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| u-ou sleepy | 08:41 | ||
| samcv | moritz, nice | 08:43 | |
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| timotimo | moritz: very cool! | 09:11 | |
| u-ou | do you guys write code when you're sleepy | 09:13 | |
| samcv | yes | 09:14 | |
| source: am sleeping. am coding | |||
| u-ou | lol | 09:15 | |
| timotimo | i am actually a sleep | ||
| u-ou | i sleep for about 12 hours a night | ||
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| samcv | err i meant to say "am sleepy" oh well. | 09:20 | |
| proof i'm sleepy there you go | |||
| u-ou | hee | 09:22 | |
| hehe | |||
| timotimo | "beep beep i'm a sleep" | 09:27 | |
| poohman | hello I tried to run an example from Gtk::Simple after installing it with zef but got the error no libgtk-3.so | 09:41 | |
| Any idea as to where I could have botched it up?? | 09:44 | ||
| u-ou | you need to install libgtk | 09:45 | |
| timotimo | the difficult part is that the .so file (i.e. without version numbers attached) is only in the -dev or -devel version of the package | 09:46 | |
| so you'll need to install those, too, poohman | |||
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| John[Lisbeth] | he he he so I hear there is a new kid on the block with dem good macros | 09:46 | |
| you know dem good macros namsayin | |||
| why a person so inclined could do whatever they'd like in a language with fully extensible macros | 09:47 | ||
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| timotimo | yeah, what you heard about there is probably the slangs feature we have. macros are currently just in there in a version that'll be replaced in the future | 09:48 | |
| but slangs are more powerful than macros | 09:49 | ||
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| poohman | I installed libgtk but no devel packages - will try - thanks | 09:49 | |
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| poohman | cool worked with wayland | 09:55 | |
| thanks | |||
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| timotimo | nice | 10:01 | |
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| poohman | has anybody ported perl6 to sailfishos?? | 10:07 | |
| timotimo | that's one of the smartphone OSes, right? | ||
| poohman | yes but with normal glibc | 10:08 | |
| not bionic | |||
| they are running in Wayland too | |||
| timotimo | then i suspect it would be pretty easy | ||
| u-ou | what about raspberry pi | 10:09 | |
| does that run perl6 | |||
| timotimo | raspberry pi already works | ||
| u-ou | yay | ||
| timotimo | compiling it on the device requires a hefty amount of swap space, though | ||
| poohman | hmmm - I have a device - let me give it a shot | ||
| directly on the device - no patience to get a dev environment going for sailfish | 10:10 | ||
| timotimo | as long as you somehow can get a bit above 1 gig of ram, it can work | ||
| poohman | ok | 10:11 | |
| u-ou | compiling it you mean? | ||
| timotimo | i'm not sure how much exactly | ||
| poohman | ja why not a great idea?? | 10:12 | |
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| colomon | “rakudobrew test” failing on both OS X and Linux | 10:53 | |
| “Couldn't determine correct make program. Aborting.” | |||
| u-ou | rakudobrew is for rakudo devs | 10:54 | |
| colomon | which isn’t what I wanted to bring up here at all, just something I found trying to answer my question on my own. | ||
| u-ou: look at the commit chart for rakudo | |||
| u-ou | why | ||
| jnthn | u-ou: Because colomon decidedly counts as that :P | 10:56 | |
| colomon | I’m still #8 rakudo committer all time despite not having committed anything since “Christmas” | 10:57 | |
| jnthn: I’m trying to update code from 2012. Grammar::parse appears to return something different on failure since then. | 10:58 | ||
| jnthn | colomon: It returns Nil these days; I believe it used to return a failed Match object | 10:59 | |
| colomon | right, all my tests look for a Match object whose value is false. | ||
| jnthn | And in 2012 if Nil existed then it probably vanished in list context | ||
| colomon | how do I test for a Nil return? | ||
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| colomon | (crazily this code used to work on both rakudo AND niezca) | 11:00 | |
| jnthn | Well, it's be false so there's always nok TheGrammar.parse($stuff) | 11:01 | |
| *falsey | |||
| colomon | is a Match object always true? | ||
| (now) | |||
| masak | backlogging, I saw the word "callback" being used. how do people use this word? | 11:02 | |
| u-ou | ahh. my mistake, hehe. | ||
| masak | (I think I know what it means, but I didn't agree with the way it was used. not completely, anyway.) | ||
| colomon | u-ou: no worries | ||
| u-ou: bit grumpy here, just woke up and no caffiene in the house | 11:03 | ||
| masak | Wikipedia seems to have it as "a function that you pass as a parameter to a routine, so that the routine can call it at leisure" | ||
| u-ou | no caffeine = bad | ||
| jnthn | colomon: No, they can still crop up, but not as a return value from .parse | ||
| colomon | jnthn++ | 11:04 | |
| jnthn | multi method Bool(Match:D:) { nqp::p6bool($!pos >= $!from) } | ||
| Could test .defined to be really super sure, I guess, but I've just gone with nok in my own tests | 11:06 | ||
| colomon | all right, that’s another .t file fixed | ||
| :) | |||
| colomon is amused that the .t files seem to have more problems than the “actual” code so far | 11:07 | ||
| masak | u-ou: I tried making the statment `no caffeine = bad;` compile under Rakudo, but I had to give up. | ||
| u-ou | ;o | ||
| jnthn | masak: I think that definition may be missing that the routine may stash the callback away for something *else* to later call back | ||
| Which is a case I'd still call a callback :) | 11:08 | ||
| u-ou | off to bed | ||
| night night | |||
| masak | jnthn: yes. I almost added "(directly or indirectly)", if that helps | ||
| the problem is that you'd need `caffeine` to be both something term-y, and something that can be assigned to | |||
| u-ou: 'night | |||
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| masak | jnthn: in the backlog it was asserted that `*-1` generates a callback. I'd only agree with that if the `*-1` were also a parameter. otherwise it'd just a callable, I guess. | 11:09 | |
| m: say (*-1).^name | |||
| camelia | { ... } | ||
| masak | ...huh | 11:10 | |
| m: say (*-1).WHAT | |||
| camelia | (WhateverCode) | ||
| masak | first time `.WHAT` gave me a better result than `.^name` ;) | ||
| guess I'm running into some subtle version of the semipredicate problem or something :P | |||
| jnthn | hah, I suspect the first one actually manage to curry the .^name :D | 11:11 | |
| m: say ((*-1).^name)(42) | |||
| camelia | Int | ||
| jnthn | Yup :) | ||
| masak | :P | 11:12 | |
| jnthn | But yes, I'd probably have said "generates a closure" | ||
| masak | well... :P | ||
| "closure" is another problematic one | |||
| jnthn | And before you complain it doesn't close over anything... :) | 11:13 | |
| masak | to me that's a word that we should save for the cases where, right | ||
| what jnthn said | |||
| jnthn | Right, so what does *+1 close over? :) | ||
| masak | the... operator? | ||
| jnthn | Yes :) | ||
| Since operators are lexically defined ;) | |||
| masak | I only know that since I've been through hell with macros and lexical scopes :P | ||
| jnthn | :P | 11:14 | |
| masak | m: my &c; { &c = * + * }; { sub infix:<+>($, $) { "MWHAHAHA" }; say 40 + 2; say c(40, 2) } | 11:15 | |
| camelia | MWHAHAHA 42 |
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| masak | ...demonstrated here ^ | ||
| masak pictures several backloggers' brains silently but beautifully exploding | |||
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| jnthn | If mine is like "so what", have I been here too long? :) | 11:16 | |
| masak | jnthn: yep. you're beyond saving. | ||
| jnthn: and I was going to say "and I'm one of the very few people who still understand you"... but the truth is that you write wonderfully expository blog posts, so I can't honestly claim that :D | |||
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| jnthn | ooh, that reminds me I've got a post I almost was done drafting and should finish up :) | 11:20 | |
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| colomon shakes fist at past colomon | 11:34 | ||
| let me guess, the parse / subparse distinction is also newer than 2012? :) | 11:40 | ||
| jnthn | Quite possibly :) | 11:42 | |
| timotimo | wow, moarvm compiles under windows again ... after i miraculously broke it beyond recognition | 11:44 | |
| El_Che | timotimo: are you cheating and using the new Linux subsystem of w10? :) | 11:50 | |
| masak | lol, I blog'd! strangelyconsistent.org/blog/the-ro...f-all-eval | 11:51 | |
| (more grumpy than usual. but hopefully in the end constructive.) | |||
| colomon | four test files passing now | 11:53 | |
| pmurias | m: my $foo := "taking liberties with lexicals"; EVAL 'say $foo'; | 11:58 | |
| camelia | taking liberties with lexicals | ||
| pmurias | m: my $foo = "taking liberties with lexicals"; EVAL 'say $foo'; | 11:59 | |
| camelia | taking liberties with lexicals | ||
| pmurias | masak: accessing lexicals that are not marked dynamic is something that normal functions shouldn't do | ||
| masak | well, sure. | 12:01 | |
| I'm not saying that `eval` isn't strange | |||
| or that it doesn't have side effects | 12:02 | ||
| and I'm not going to go on a windmill-tilting tour to try to lowercase the function again -- especially not given how easy it is to just do it with a line of code ;) | 12:03 | ||
| I do not in passing that `MONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL` is trickier to type than one might think: because of the combination of all-caps and hyphens, one has to press and releast Shift four times at the right moments | 12:05 | ||
| note* | |||
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| masak | though maybe the rationale for that is that it's some kind of keyboard-dehuffmanized feature, not a bug :P | 12:06 | |
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| timotimo | El_Che: nope, it was all lack of understanding of what hoops you need to jump through for something to compile on windows | 12:11 | |
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| timotimo | phew, that headache is probably dealt with now | 12:34 | |
| let's see what appveyor thinks | |||
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| colomon | p6: say ”κόσμε”.ords | 12:58 | |
| camelia | (954 972 963 956 949) | ||
| colomon | returning (92, 88, 50, 92, 48, 51, 66, 65, 49, 70, 55, 57, 48, 51, 67, 51, 48, 51, 66, 67, 48, 51, 66, 53, 92, 88, 48, 92) on my system?! | 12:59 | |
| oh, never mind | 13:00 | ||
| my real problem is that I’m expected 954,8057,963,956,949 and getting 954,972,963,956,949 | 13:01 | ||
| lizmat | colomon; perhaps composed vs decomposed ? | 13:02 | |
| hmmm...same number of values | |||
| m: say "ό".ord | |||
| camelia | 972 | ||
| lizmat | .u ό | ||
| yoleaux | U+03CC GREEK SMALL LETTER OMICRON WITH TONOS [Ll] (ό) | ||
| lizmat | seems correct to me | 13:03 | |
| colomon | m: say 8057.chr | ||
| camelia | ό | ||
| colomon | m: say 8057.chr.ords | 13:04 | |
| camelia | (972) | ||
| colomon | that’s what’s tripping me up | ||
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| timotimo | m: say uninames(8057, 972) | 13:14 | |
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Calling uninames(Int, Int) will never work with any of these multi signatures: (Str:D $str) at <tmp>:1 ------> 3say 7⏏5uninames(8057, 972) |
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| timotimo | m: say .&uniname for 972, 8057 | ||
| camelia | GREEK SMALL LETTER OMICRON WITH TONOS GREEK SMALL LETTER OMICRON WITH OXIA |
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| timotimo | is one of those deprecated by unicode or something? | ||
| like greek questionmark? | 13:15 | ||
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| timotimo | well, no clue if "deprecated" is a word that makes sense for this | 13:17 | |
| masak .oO( decoded by unicode ) :P | 13:18 | ||
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| pmurias | masak: I'm pretty sure nobody tried to optimize the ease of typing 'MONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL' | 13:22 | |
| colomon has just updated his test to accept either answer | |||
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| timotimo | fileformat.info says DecompositionGREEK SMALL LETTER OMICRON WITH TONOS (U+03CC) | 13:23 | |
| for the one with oxia | |||
| just like greek question mark has decomposition SEMICOLON | 13:24 | ||
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| isBEKaml | . | 13:26 | |
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| masak | pmurias: I have to agree on that one | 13:28 | |
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| colomon | hurm. why am I getting Seq.new-consumed() in my array? | 13:43 | |
| m: dd [Any, (Nil, Nil, Nil).Seq].grep(?*) | 13:46 | ||
| camelia | ((Nil, Nil, Nil).Seq,).Seq | ||
| masak | m: say ?(Nil, Nil, Nil) | 13:47 | |
| camelia | True | ||
| masak .oO( omg it's full of Nils ) | 13:48 | ||
| colomon | I’m still getting tripped up by the 2015 list changes. is there a blog post somewhere explaining everything? | 13:50 | |
| I need to be returning an empty Slip? | 13:52 | ||
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| masak | colomon: what are you trying to do? | 13:54 | |
| m: sub foo { return }; say ?foo | |||
| camelia | False | ||
| masak | m: sub foo { return [] }; say ?foo | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| masak | m: sub foo { return () }; say ?foo | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| masak | m: sub foo { return Slip.new }; say ?foo | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| colomon | the ?* was just an attempt to work around things | ||
| recursively analyse a list which may include sublists, filtering out the information I’m looking for. | 13:56 | ||
| used to return Nil and everything was fine | |||
| but now the sublists don’t go away. | 13:57 | ||
| I can probably think of a better way…. hmmm. | |||
| indeed. less functionaly but it will work | |||
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| tamiya | perl | 13:59 | |
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| AlexDaniel | perl6 | 13:59 | |
| colomon | sorted | 14:01 | |
| well, my new version appears to have an infinite loop. :\ | 14:06 | ||
| timotimo | uh oh | 14:08 | |
| when i get that i usually attach gdb, go "up" until i hit a frame that has a "tc", then "call MVM_dump_backtrace(tc)" | |||
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| timotimo | OK! | 14:16 | |
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| winnie_ | Hi again - do we have a gcc version prerequisite to compile rakudo?? | 15:11 | |
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| timotimo | i don't think so, we develop with -std=c89 after all | 15:19 | |
| are you experiencing trouble? | |||
| winnie_ | ja in Sailfish it gives a C90 error regarding declaration of unions | 15:20 | |
| timotimo | oh, what file? | ||
| oh crap | |||
| it's telemeh.c, isn't it | 15:21 | ||
| winnie_ | wait long filename | ||
| dyncall_callvm_arm32_arm_armhf.c | |||
| its in moarvm in nqp | |||
| timotimo | oh | 15:22 | |
| winnie_ | source/rakudo/nqp/MoarVM/3rdparty/dyncall/dyncall/dyncall_callvm_arm32_arm_armhf.c | ||
| timotimo | if dyncall is giving you trouble, try using libffi instead | ||
| winnie_ | im trying to put the union declaration in the header | 15:23 | |
| ok | |||
| timotimo | you can give the Configure.pl a --moar-flags option or something | ||
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| winnie_ | let me have a look | 15:24 | |
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| timotimo | hm, what's the right flag for libffi | 15:27 | |
| maybe --has-libffi? | |||
| tyil | I use a shebang pointing to perl6, should I still use `use v6;`? | 15:30 | |
| if (yes) { why? } | |||
| El_Che | yes | 15:31 | |
| v6c or something | |||
| for when v6d comes out it doesn't break your code | |||
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| tyil | ah | 15:32 | |
| thats good to know | |||
| thanks | |||
| I usually see people adding `use v6` without the c | |||
| AlexDaniel | tyil: well, the point of adding ｢use v6｣ is so that it complains if your run it with perl 5 | 15:33 | |
| El_Che | ^-- that too | ||
| AlexDaniel | which… I don't think is sensible at all | ||
| El_Che | ^-- and that as well :) | ||
| tyil | I had no issues running my code without the v6, just with a perl6 shebang, so I wondered | ||
| El_Che | I think the versioning is a nice touch | 15:34 | |
| AlexDaniel | but the thing is, if you have a shebang and if you use .p6 extension, I can't see how can anybody run it with perl5 | ||
| tyil | I dont intend to try and load it up in perl 5 manually, but the v6c keeping it working for newer versions is nice | ||
| El_Che | AlexDaniel: perl yourscript | ||
| AlexDaniel | El_Che: sure, why would you type that? :) | ||
| perl yourscript.p6 # huh? :) | 15:35 | ||
| El_Che | AlexDaniel: I won't. All my colleagues do, however | ||
| AlexDaniel | well, then perhaps that's a good practice | ||
| El_Che | I tend to leave the extension on unix, mostly | ||
| becasue I don't care in what lang a program is written | |||
| AlexDaniel | sure, but then you rely on shebang… | ||
| like, we have no protection for people running perl6 scripts with bash | 15:36 | ||
| El_Che | also, people use "perl programname" when they don't feel like chmod'ing something | ||
| AlexDaniel | tyil: in any case, do what makes sense to you, there are no hard rules for this :) | ||
| El_Che | the versioning is best practice | 15:37 | |
| tyil | the v6c makes sense, so I'll apply that | ||
| AlexDaniel | even using v6.c to protect yourself from v6.d changes is not that big of a win given that v6.d is mostly additive | ||
| El_Che | AlexDaniel: thing are allowed to break, so they will break | ||
| tyil | its better to be safe | 15:38 | |
| in this case | |||
| a good practice to learn | |||
| some change sometime might break something | |||
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| El_Che | indeed | 15:40 | |
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| winnie_ | timotimo: Putting the union declaration in the header didnt help | 15:44 | |
| --moar-option=?? | 15:45 | ||
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| timotimo | okay, does --has-libffi work? | 15:45 | |
| yeah, you have a perl Configure.pl --gen-moar something something line, right? | |||
| winnie_ | ja | ||
| timotimo | the --moar-option=--has-libffi flag goes there | 15:46 | |
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| winnie_ | ok I currently ran with --moar-option=has-libffi - let it abort ill try again | 15:46 | |
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| AlexDaniel | While this story may seem completely unrelated to some, I think we can all learn something from it. A local online hardware store has sold me a bunch of items for a price of a unit instead of a price of the pack. Just to name some of the items I bought: a pack of 200 screws for 0.01€ (normally 2.54€ for the pack), 25 meters of aluminium tape for 0.29€ (normally 7.31€, which is 0.29€ per meter), a pack of 5 batteries for 0.64€ (no | 15:55 | |
| 3.19€), a set of 4 cheap-ish chisels for 2.85€ (normally 11.40€, so that's a price per chisel), and also a set of 5 screwdrivers for 0.07€ (normally 13.34€, I still have no idea how this one could have happened) | |||
| in total I received “free” items for about 90€ | |||
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| AlexDaniel | so I'm thinking, how hard would it be to implement a feature that would check the price and say “hey, this price per unit seems a bit unrealistic, are you sure you want to continue?” | 15:57 | |
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| AlexDaniel | where “unrealistic” could mean <0.01€ per piece, this would've solved the problem for screws and other small stuff | 15:59 | |
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| AlexDaniel | (oops, I mean I received 90€ worth of items for “free”. You get it) | 16:00 | |
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| eater | is there a META6.json field for library dependencies? | 16:12 | |
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| timotimo | you mean like native libraries? we don't have that | 16:17 | |
| eater | :( | ||
| timotimo | there's some prior art for grabbing dlls on windows, fwiw | 16:19 | |
| GTK::Simple has something, LibSSH has something | |||
| eater | wasn't there a lib for it | 16:28 | |
| if there isn't | |||
| time to type :") | |||
| eater builds ALL the things | |||
| timotimo | there's LibraryMake | 16:31 | |
| that's for when you are distributing the source code and have to compile it at install time | 16:32 | ||
| tyil | can I do something like `my $f = "function-name"; $f();`, which will then try to run the sub `function-name`? | ||
| timotimo | yeah, you need ::('&function-name') for that | ||
| or ::($name-in-string) | |||
| tyil | its getting me closer | 16:35 | |
| I have termbin.com/tyzn rn | |||
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| tyil | Im getting a No such symbol 'Controllers::Home.index' | 16:36 | |
| the get "/b" route works | |||
| timotimo | have you tried Hiker yet? | 16:37 | |
| tyil | not yet | ||
| timotimo | it has a thing where it loads stuff from folders for you | 16:38 | |
| i.e. it prescribes a way to name your stuff and it'll hook it all up for you | |||
| winnie_ | timtimo : with libffi after a while of compilation I get a Bus error | 16:41 | |
| tyil | timotimo: if possible I'd like to learn it myself, I want to become more knowledgable on perl 6, though Hiker does look interesting | 16:42 | |
| timotimo | sure | 16:44 | |
| gfldex | tyil: you will have to get hold of the type object and use that to dispatch to the method | 16:45 | |
| tyil | get $route => sub { ::($handler).index(request) }; | 16:46 | |
| gfldex | m: class C { method m { say 'oi‽' } }; my $c = ::('C'); $c."m"(); | ||
| camelia | oi‽ | ||
| tyil | this one is valid | ||
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| that looks nice, gfldex | |||
| TreyHarris | m: my %h{Cool}; %h<3> = 1; %h<a> = 2; %h<2.0> = 3; for %h.kv -> $k, $v { say "$k: $v" }; say %h | 16:50 | |
| camelia | 3: 1 2.0: 3 a: 2 Ambiguous call to 'infix:<cmp>'; these signatures all match: :(Int:D \a, Rational:D \b) :(Str:D \a, Str:D \b --> Order:D) in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| TreyHarris | Is that a bug, or should you not expect a mixed-type like that to be renderable directly? | ||
| (From Haskell, I'm used to this kind of behavior: just because each part of a composite can be shown, and the composite can be shown for each part of homogeneous type, you'll get a nasty error if you try to show that composite with heterogeneous types.) | 16:53 | ||
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| timotimo | oh, is that because say %h is trying to sort its elements? | 16:53 | |
| TreyHarris | timotimo: yes | 16:54 | |
| on stringification, Hash sorts its keys | |||
| timotimo | well, that's bad :) | ||
| TreyHarris | the idea, IIRC is that least surprise was violated when by adding an element the entirety of a hash display could rejumble in a seemingly nondeterministic way | 16:55 | |
| but .perl probably shouldn't attempt to sort the keys, and it also failes in this case | 16:56 | ||
| m: my %h{Cool}; %h<3> = 1; %h<a> = 2; %h<2.0> = 3; for %h.kv -> $k, $v { say "$k: $v" }; say %h.perl | |||
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| eater | :m class A { method B { say "ay"; } }; my $d = ::("A"); my $e = $d.^lookup("B"); $e($d); say $e.perl; | ||
| m: class A { method B { say "ay"; } }; my $d = ::("A"); my $e = $d.^lookup("B"); $e($d); say $e.perl; | |||
| camelia | ay method B (A $: *%_) { #`(Method|51040296) ... } |
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| TreyHarris | I'd think we want to never have .perl raise an exception unless there's absolutely no other option | ||
| m: my %h{Cool}; %h<3> = 1; %h<a> = 2; %h<2.0> = 3; for %h.kv -> $k, $v { say "$k: $v" }; dd %h | 16:57 | ||
| camelia | 3: 1 2.0: 3 a: 2 Ambiguous call to 'infix:<cmp>'; these signatures all match: :(Int:D \a, Rational:D \b) :(Str:D \a, Str:D \b --> Order:D) in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| timotimo | yeah, i'd say that's a good stance on .perl | ||
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| TreyHarris | orderability isn't a constraint on hash keys, is it? they just need to uniquely .WHICH | 17:02 | |
| oh, but we cmp by .WHICH as a last resort, don't we | |||
| timotimo | right, we can | 17:03 | |
| TreyHarris | so everything is orderable even if it may be arbitrarily so | ||
| timotimo | we can order things by memory location, of course. but we have a moving gc in moarvm, so ordering won't be stable over the lifetime of a hash | 17:04 | |
| TreyHarris | timotimo: can the exception be caught and re-force ordering using infix:<cmp>(Any, Any)? | 17:05 | |
| timotimo | that'd be possible | ||
| TreyHarris | I'm having trouble finding where this is implemented in rakudo | ||
| (the stringification of Hash, I mean, not cmp, that I can find) | 17:06 | ||
| MasterDuke_ | .gist i believe | ||
| timotimo | s: {a => b}, 'gist', \() | 17:07 | |
| where'd the bot go? | |||
| only in -dev | |||
| github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/624f...sh.pm#L213 | 17:08 | ||
| there's the .sort you're looking for | |||
| a few lines above that is the .sort for .perl | |||
| TreyHarris | what is 'given ++$'? it's used in the same way for Hash, List, and native_array | 17:11 | |
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| timotimo | $ sets up an anonymous state variable | 17:12 | |
| and given sets it as the $_ for the scope it scopes over | |||
| TreyHarris | right, but the ++? | 17:13 | |
| timotimo | pre-increment | ||
| TreyHarris | pre-increment, but why? | ||
| timotimo | so that the value changes | ||
| if you post-increment instead of pre-increment you'll get Any (the type object) the first time | 17:14 | ||
| TreyHarris | oh, i see. it's a cursor | ||
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| timotimo | that'll give you a warning about use of undefined value | 17:14 | |
| m: for ^10 { say $++ } | |||
| camelia | 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 |
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| timotimo | oh? | ||
| m: say $ | |||
| camelia | (Any) | ||
| TreyHarris | m: for ^10 { say ++$ } | 17:15 | |
| camelia | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 |
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| TreyHarris | it's just easier to index by 1, I think everyone would agree ;-) | ||
| (that's why I asked that part; a post-increment would make more sense to me) | 17:16 | ||
| timotimo | m: say (my $a = Any)++ | 17:18 | |
| camelia | 0 | ||
| timotimo | so the ++ must be turning what it returns into a number, too | ||
| i.e. returns not the value before incrementing, but the numified value before incrementing | |||
| TreyHarris | timotimo: ah, that makes sense | ||
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| timotimo | that's very helpful | 17:21 | |
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| gfldex | m: my $a = Str; say $a++; | 17:35 | |
| camelia | 0 | ||
| gfldex | m: use variables :D; my $a = $; | 17:37 | |
| camelia | Type check failed in assignment to $a; expected type Any:D cannot be itself (perhaps Nil was assigned to a :D which had no default?) in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| winnie_ | timotimo: The 1G memory requirement you spoke about was for the MoarVM?? | 18:00 | |
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| MasterDuke_ | winnie_: rakudo | 18:01 | |
| timotimo | rakudo has one step that takes a huge amount of memory | 18:02 | |
| it's the one that starts with "stage start .... 0.000" or something like that | |||
| MasterDuke_ | and i think it's closer to 2g needed | 18:03 | |
| timotimo | could very well be | ||
| SmokeMachine | m: say {try 5 == 5}() | 18:04 | |
| camelia | WARNINGS for <tmp>: Useless use of "==" in expression "5 == 5" in sink context (line 1) True |
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| camelia | True | ||
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| camelia | Nil | ||
| SmokeMachine | m: say {ENTER {5 == 5}}() | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| SmokeMachine | m: say {ENTER {5 == 6}}() | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| SmokeMachine | m: say {LEAVE {5 == 5}}() | 18:08 | |
| camelia | WARNINGS for <tmp>: Useless use of "==" in expression "5 == 5" in sink context (line 1) Nil |
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| camelia | 1 Nil |
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| SmokeMachine | is the ENTER correct? should it's return be returned by the block? | 18:09 | |
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| SmokeMachine | m: say {ENTER {42}}() | 18:09 | |
| camelia | 42 | ||
| SmokeMachine | m: say {LEAVE {5 == 5}}() | ||
| camelia | WARNINGS for <tmp>: Useless use of "==" in expression "5 == 5" in sink context (line 1) Nil |
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| camelia | WARNINGS for <tmp>: Useless use of "==" in expression "5 == 5" in sink context (line 1) Nil |
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| lucs | m: use Test; sub foo { ok(1) }; foo | 18:11 | |
| camelia | ok 1 - | ||
| lucs | m: sub bar { require Test; ok(1) }; bar # How does 'require' work? | ||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Undeclared routine: ok used at line 1 |
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| BenGoldberg | m: sub baz { require Test qw(&ok); ok(1) }; baz | 18:12 | |
| camelia | ===SORRY!=== Cannot invoke this object (REPR: Null; VMNull) |
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| BenGoldberg | That's an LTA error message. | ||
| TimToady | masak: yes, it was intentionally dehuffmanized, but what we won't tell you is that you can just say "use MONKEY;" to let all the monkeys out of the barrel simultaneously | 18:19 | |
| SmokeMachine: any initializing phaser can be used for its value, but finalizing phasers are all called too late to use their value, in the absence of a time machine | 18:22 | ||
| SmokeMachine | TimToady: ok, thanks! | ||
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| TimToady | note, however, that CATCH is in neither of those categories, since it runs before the stack is unwound | 18:29 | |
| m: say sub {CATCH {return 22}; die 'oops'}() | |||
| camelia | 22 | ||
| TimToady | so you can actually return out of a CATCH | 18:30 | |
| moritz | m: sub () { CATCH { } 5 }() | ||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Strange text after block (missing semicolon or comma?) at <tmp>:1 ------> 3sub () { CATCH { }7⏏5 5 }() |
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| moritz | m: sub () { CATCH { }; 5 }() | ||
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| moritz | m: say sub () { CATCH { }; 5 }() | ||
| camelia | 5 | ||
| moritz | m: say sub () { 5; CATCH { } }() | ||
| camelia | WARNINGS for <tmp>: Useless use of constant integer 5 in sink context (line 1) Nil |
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| TimToady | yes, we currently force you to use 'return' there | 18:31 | |
| moritz | I wonder if CATCH should be excluded from the normal statement counting | ||
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| moritz | but that might be too much cute thinking | 18:31 | |
| TimToady | I can argue it both ways, so we've done nothing :) | ||
| Geth | ecosystem/feature-add-taglibc: 6ed2fa77a8 | eater++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list Add TagLibC |
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| moritz | yes, understandable | ||
| Geth | ecosystem: the-eater++ created pull request #326: Add TagLibC |
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| eater | np moritz | 18:44 | |
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| masak | TimToady: I think all the MONKEYs are a bit wasted on me, is all. maybe there are people who find them hilarious and/or apt. | 19:15 | |
| I realize that if we always just said "be boring but clear", we'd become Python, which is like, the worst :P but still. | 19:18 | ||
| sometimes clarity is better than monkeys | |||
| moritz | I too feel that EVAL + MONKEY are a bit over the top | ||
| TimToady | the serious side of MONKEYs is that it gives a manager something unique to grep for so she can say "don't do that" | ||
| timotimo | yeah, "eval is a very dangerous function" really ought to point at "code injection" | 19:19 | |
| or something | |||
| TimToady | it's not just about cuteness | ||
| masak | good | ||
| moritz | upper-casing EVAL xor MONKEY woul be good enough, IMHO | ||
| I like upper-case EVAL, fwiw | |||
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| TimToady | .oO(disputandem non est de gustibus) |
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| timotimo | .o( ghost bus ) | ||
| moritz | ghost buster! | 19:21 | |
| SmokeMachine | m: say any(42, 42.0).Numeric | ||
| camelia | Cannot resolve caller Numeric(Int: ); none of these signatures match: (Mu:U \v: *%_) in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| masak .oO( MONKEY-NO-ACCOUNTING-FOR-TASTE ) | 19:23 | ||
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| TimToady | and I'd also seriously contend that monkeys are an apposite metaphor for the ways in which our natural instincts tend to mislead us into poor programming practices | 19:39 | |
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| El_Che | TimToady: the problem with metaphors is that not everyone get them | 19:40 | |
| timotimo | the problem with metaphors is that they are too much like ducks | 19:41 | |
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| masak | TimToady: if we really cared about making `EVAL` safe in the way the compile-time error intends, then IMO it should not be a function that one can pass around and assign freely | 19:41 | |
| El_Che | TimToady: good with orange sause? | 19:42 | |
| I meant timotimo | |||
| TreyHarris | From reading the docs, I would think this would be valid way to ask a type what its default value is, but it doesn't work: | 19:51 | |
| m: sub default-for(Mu:U ::Type) { use variables :D; my Type $v = Type(Nil); $v.perl }; dd default-for(Int) | |||
| camelia | X::TypeCheck::Assignment exception produced no message in sub default-for at <tmp> line 1 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| TreyHarris | (I _am_ asking both what the way to ask that question is, and why my sub doesn't work) | 19:52 | |
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| AlexDaniel | masak: how come you need eval so often that you've even decided to write a blog post about it? | 19:59 | |
| gfldex | TreyHarris: your sub doesn't work because you have a type constraint on a type capture. | 20:02 | |
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| TreyHarris | m: sub default-for(::Type) { use variables :D; my Type $v = Type(Nil); $v.perl }; dd default-for(Int) | 20:04 | |
| camelia | X::TypeCheck::Assignment exception produced no message in sub default-for at <tmp> line 1 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| TreyHarris | gfldex: Not like that... (Mu:U ::Type) was I thought the correct signature for a required type argument | 20:06 | |
| gfldex: Sorry, I wasn't trying to argue with you that you're wrong--I'm just trying to understand what the right answer is. I phrased that question as a statement. "(Mu:U ::Type) isn't the correct signature for a required type argument? Then what is?" was what I meant | 20:13 | ||
| gfldex | m: sub s(::Type $f!){}; s() | ||
| camelia | Too few positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 0 in sub s at <tmp> line 1 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| gfldex | m: sub s(::Type $f!){}; s() | 20:14 | |
| camelia | Too few positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 0 in sub s at <tmp> line 1 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| pmurias | m: my $foo := &EVAL; $foo("say 'Hi'") # Should this require MONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL? | 20:16 | |
| camelia | Hi | ||
| TreyHarris | m: sub is-type(Mu:U ::Type) { say Type.perl }; is-type(Int); is-type(Str); is-type(4) | 20:18 | |
| camelia | Int Str Parameter '<anon>' requires a type object of type Mu, but an object instance was passed. Did you forget a 'multi'? in sub is-type at <tmp> line 1 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| lucs | How do I get a module to load for example only when some function is called at runtime? | 20:21 | |
| My naive, à la Perl 5, usage of 'require' appears not to work like, well, in Perl 5: | |||
| m: sub foo { require Test; ok(1) }; foo | 20:22 | ||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Undeclared routine: ok used at line 1 |
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| geekosaur | the problem is not the require, it's the compile time checking for ok when you load at runtime | 20:22 | |
| lucs | Yes, makes sense. Is there no way to do like what we can do in Perl 5? | 20:23 | |
| (not necessairyly using 'require', it's just what appeared natural to me) | 20:25 | ||
| geekosaur | well, the require is right, it's the other part I'm not sure how to defeat :/ | ||
| lucs | Yeah, I saw your earlier attempt :( | ||
| TreyHarris | m: constant T = 'Test'; sub foo { use ::(T); ok(1) }; foo | 20:26 | |
| camelia | ok 1 - | ||
| lucs | Hmm... | ||
| So 'use' can happen at runtime, eh. | 20:28 | ||
| m: sub foo { use ::('Test'); ok(1) }; foo | |||
| camelia | ok 1 - | ||
| lucs | (if I understand correctly) | 20:29 | |
| TreyHarris | lucs: no, use is still happening at compile time; that's why a constant or a literal worked | ||
| lucs | Ah. | 20:30 | |
| TreyHarris | m: my $t = 'Test'; sub foo { use ::($t); ok(1) }; foo | ||
| camelia | ===SORRY!=== Name ::($t) is not compile-time known, and can not serve as a |
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| lucs | So is there no way to load a module conditionally, at runtime? | 20:31 | |
| gfldex | lucs: see docs.perl6.org/syntax/require | 20:32 | |
| lucs | gfldex: Yeah, I read that, recognizing most of the words :( | ||
| TreyHarris | m: my $t = 'Test'; sub foo { require ::($t) <&ok>; ok(1) }; foo | 20:35 | |
| camelia | ok 1 - | ||
| lucs | TreyHarris: Oh, so that looks like it's loaded at runtime, right? | 20:36 | |
| TreyHarris | lucs: yes | ||
| lucs | Ah, but I notice the 'ok' symbol needs to be explicitly mentioned <&ok> | 20:37 | |
| (not ideal, eh) | |||
| And I think your example can be simplified to: | 20:38 | ||
| m: sub foo { require ::('Test') <&ok>; ok(1) }; foo | |||
| camelia | ok 1 - | ||
| TreyHarris | lucs: there would be no way to compile foo() if that weren't the case. You can use dynamic lookup if you want but that's even wordier | ||
| lucs | It makes sense. | 20:39 | |
| TreyHarris | lucs: i wasn't going for simplicity, I was showing that theoretically any module name that had an 'ok' could have been in $t | ||
| lucs | Yes, right. | ||
| TreyHarris | because I was assuming you wanted runtime loading in order to switch on something, right? is it just to defer the compile-time hit? | ||
| gfldex | m: my $name = "Test"; require ::($name); dd ::('Test')::EXPORT::DEFAULT::.keys; | 20:40 | |
| camelia | () | ||
| lucs | In my current case, just defer the load until the function is (if ever) invoked. | ||
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| TreyHarris | lucs: then mentioning the symbols you need by name doesn't seem that inconvenient | 20:41 | |
| lucs | That's true. | ||
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| lucs | TreyHarris: Yeah, that should do it. Thanks. | 20:42 | |
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| timotimo | m: require ::("Test"); say ::("Test::EXPORT::DEFAULT::&ok") | 20:42 | |
| camelia | sub ok (;; Mu | is raw) { #`(Sub|76826344) ... } | ||
| timotimo | m: require ::("Test"); say ::("Test::EXPORT::DEFAULT::&ok")(1, "yeah!") | ||
| camelia | ok 1 - yeah! True |
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| timotimo | depending on how the module is set up you don't have to go through the export package | 20:42 | |
| i.e. if it uses "our sub ok" for example | 20:43 | ||
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| timotimo | at least i think so | 20:43 | |
| gfldex | m: require ::("Test"); my &ok = ::("Test::EXPORT::DEFAULT::&ok"); ok('oi‽'); | ||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Cannot use variable &ok in declaration to initialize itself at <tmp>:1 ------> 3); my &ok = ::("Test::EXPORT::DEFAULT::&7⏏5ok"); ok('oi‽'); expecting any of: double quotes … |
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| gfldex | m: require ::("Test"); my &ok = ::("Test::EXPORT::DEFAULT::&ok"); | 20:44 | |
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Cannot use variable &ok in declaration to initialize itself at <tmp>:1 ------> 3); my &ok = ::("Test::EXPORT::DEFAULT::&7⏏5ok"); expecting any of: double quotes term |
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| gfldex | confused rakudo is confused | ||
| m: require ::("Test"); my &ok = ::("Test::EXPORT::DEFAULT::&ok"); | |||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Cannot use variable &ok in declaration to initialize itself at <tmp>:1 ------> 3); my &ok = ::("Test::EXPORT::DEFAULT::&7⏏5ok"); expecting any of: double quotes term |
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| gfldex | m: require ::("Test"); my &mmk = ::("Test::EXPORT::DEFAULT::&ok"); mmk('oi‽') | 20:45 | |
| camelia | ok 1 - | ||
| gfldex | very confused indeed | ||
| timotimo | that's funny | ||
| gfldex | it's mindlessly parsing | ||
| timotimo | that check isn't very old | ||
| gfldex | timotimo: can you rakudobug please? | 20:46 | |
| i will go and file the docs issue :) | 20:47 | ||
| timotimo | sorry, neck deep in something else now :S | ||
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| TreyHarris | m: require ::("Test"); my $ok = ::("Test::EXPORT::DEFAULT::&ok"); $ok(1, 'yes') | 20:51 | |
| camelia | ok 1 - yes | ||
| TreyHarris | m: require ::("Test") <&ok>; ok(1, 'yes') | 20:52 | |
| camelia | ok 1 - yes | ||
| TreyHarris | why is assigning &ok to a local superior? | ||
| timotimo | it isn't | 20:53 | |
| if you only call it once, it's pretty much the same | |||
| if you want to call it multiple times, you'd be doing a package lookup each time | |||
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| timotimo | gfldex: when i start meta6 with any flags i get Use of uninitialized value $github-user of type Any in string context. | 20:55 | |
| (META6::bin) line 80 | |||
| perhaps have to upgrade META6, too. hold on | |||
| but META6 is failing some tests. i wonder if that's the File::Ignore related thing? | 20:57 | ||
| Geth | ecosystem: 659f9d7f24 | eater++ | META.list Update TagLibC url |
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| gfldex | timotimo: is your gitconfig at ~/.gitconfig ? | 20:59 | |
| TreyHarris | m: require ::("Test"); our sub ok { ::("Test::EXPORT::DEFAULT::&ok")(|@_) }; ok(1, 'yeah') | ||
| camelia | ok 1 - yeah | ||
| TreyHarris | lucs: ^ if you need both the module and the sub to be variable | ||
| I don't know how to remove the calling stack since goto sub is gone | 21:01 | ||
| s/remove/replace/ | 21:02 | ||
| timotimo | it is | ||
| TreyHarris | oh? I thought it was removed for .callsame, .callwith, et. al. | 21:04 | |
| gfldex | timotimo: could you run `perl6 -e 'use Git::Config; say git-config<credential><username>'` please? | ||
| samcv | crisis semi-averted. | ||
| TreyHarris | m: require ::("Test"); our sub ok { goto ::("Test::EXPORT::DEFAULT::&ok")(|@_) }; ok(1, 'yeah') | 21:05 | |
| camelia | ok 1 - yeah Cannot resolve caller goto(Bool); none of these signatures match: (Label:D \x --> Nil) in sub ok at <tmp> line 1 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| samcv | fixed 100% of known yesterday/todya bugs in the underlying ops for the case insensitive regex | ||
| so should be good to go for another point release | |||
| ;-) | 21:06 | ||
| lucs | TreyHarris: Thanks | 21:11 | |
| TreyHarris | lucs: goto's only implementation I see in rakudo is for Label, so I'm not sure how you turn that into a goto sub equivalent | 21:12 | |
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| timotimo | fwiw, there is no "credential" section in my gitconfig | 21:15 | |
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| TreyHarris | lucs: and the Label.goto implementation is just to throw a NYI, so I think effectively it isn't there even if theoretically it isn't "gone" | 21:16 | |
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| lucs | :) | 21:17 | |
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| DrForr | Hey, some new faces arond, cool. | 21:19 | |
| At least there were :) Anyone awake? | 21:20 | ||
| El_Che | DrForr: still using this? kurlander.net/DJ/Projects/ComicChat/FromVWG.jpg | ||
| timotimo | El_Che: where did you get that idea? :) | 21:21 | |
| El_Che | new faces | ||
| timotimo | oh, heh | ||
| DrForr | Believe it or not, at one time I knew where the creator hung out :) | 21:22 | |
| El_Che | DrForr: small world | 21:23 | |
| DrForr | I'd still hate to paint it. | ||
| timotimo | i used comic chat once, but it was before i had internet, so not much to do with it at all | ||
| eater | :') | ||
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| eater | timotimo: how did you use it then? | 21:23 | |
| timotimo | i wrote text in the input box and selected emotions on the side | 21:24 | |
| El_Che | every generation reinvents irc | ||
| I wonder if slack/mattermost + giphy is that different | 21:25 | ||
| samcv | i think i'm the only person that signs their commits with gpg. at least that i've seen, in rakudo/nqp/moar | ||
| pmurias | comic chat seems awesome | 21:26 | |
| timotimo | yeah, i didn't sign any commits so far | ||
| samcv | that MS windows thing? or is there a newer thing | ||
| timotimo | i don't have a well-honed gpg key any more | ||
| samcv | mine signs every commit and aborts otherwise | ||
| timotimo | i used to have one with like 50 signatures or something | ||
| samcv | hm | ||
| mine doesn't have that many signatures but. i mean it's listed everywhere well | 21:27 | ||
| though there's an issue with me encrypting things. like somehow the signature works but i can't encrypt things becaus ethe encryption part is expired. and i haven't been able to fix that | |||
| timotimo | oh, heh. | ||
| but you don't use your key to encrypt stuff to others | |||
| DrForr | Just curious if anyone's done a 'git foo' like setup yet in Perl 6 yet, specifically I'd like to be able to create 'git-foo' binaries that handle validation on their own; exec'ing 'git-foo' from 'git' 'foo' is one way... | 21:28 | |
| timotimo | others use your key to encrypt stuff towards you | ||
| samcv | see timotimo i.imgur.com/GVU4aRk.png | ||
| err there's something i can't do | |||
| timotimo | huh | ||
| well, there's something i seem to know nothing about :P | 21:29 | ||
| samcv | i dunno how to fix... | ||
| El_Che | samcv: are you supposed to be able to rollover keys? | ||
| samcv | rollover? | ||
| timotimo | creating subkeys should be ... easy? | ||
| samcv | well i just need to sign the encryption key and have the expiration date change | ||
| but whenever i try to do that, it just has no visible change though probably signs some subkey | |||
| El_Che | I don't think that's a good idea | ||
| timotimo | i don't think you can actually change the expiration date of any key? | ||
| El_Che | at least not with ssl and the like | 21:30 | |
| timotimo | but you can have as many subkeys as you want, i'd expect | ||
| samcv | yes you can timotimo | ||
| El_Che | you keep the old key to decrypt stuff, by encrypt with the new one | ||
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| El_Che | I remember doing something like that when I used gpg in my mails | 21:31 | |
| samcv | these are the same subkeys i've always had | ||
| El_Che | but that must have been years | ||
| samcv | i changed the exiry date to never expire. but for some reason only did it for one subjey | ||
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| timotimo | the key i have on my laptop expired 2017-05-21 ... hold on, that's in the future! | ||
| El_Che | funny that I was more paranoid when I didn't know for sure the NSA was reading everyone's mail, than when it git out they did :) | ||
| samcv | well paranoia comes from some sense of not knowing for sure | 21:32 | |
| so that makes sens | |||
| El_Che | it's not because you're paranoid that they aren"t after you kind of thing :) | 21:33 | |
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| samcv | yay i fixed it! | 21:35 | |
| it worked this time. maybe newer gpg version idk | 21:36 | ||
| but i did the exact same thing i did before. but this time it worked | |||
| timotimo | perfect | ||
| samcv | sending to server now | ||
| El_Che | samcv: I don't know if it's good practice | 21:37 | |
| samcv | well. if i set an expiry date. then things i sign will expire | ||
| El_Che | security wise the sensible thing to do is to rotate keys | ||
| (stronger ciphers, etc) | |||
| samcv | even if the key WAS valid when i signed it | ||
| it still is invalid | |||
| and i don't like that | |||
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| samcv | hmm hasn't updated yet. maybe will use gpg to push not this gui thing keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex...12C3881D62 | 21:40 | |
| but as you can see heh signed the first key many times trying to get that other one signed again | |||
| gfldex | timotimo: see bottom of github.com/gfldex/perl6-meta6-bin#github | 21:41 | |
| timotimo | hm, why is there only one credential section and only one "username" in there? | ||
| like, what if i have a bitbucket, too? | |||
| gfldex | i'm just shelling out to git (for now) | 21:42 | |
| and talk to the github api for that matter | |||
| timotimo | like, the "credential" thing isn't made up by you, right? | ||
| gfldex | no | ||
| timotimo | why is it like that? :D | ||
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| gfldex | timotimo: see git-scm.com/docs/gitcredentials | 21:43 | |
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| timotimo | how do i keep b0rking this tool | 21:44 | |
| gfldex | so you may have a [credential "timotimo.uber"] | ||
| timotimo | meta6 --set-license=Artistic-2.0 --meta6-file-name=META6.json - is this wrong? | ||
| El_Che | pbs.twimg.com/media/C-AQOVNV0AAdQ08.jpg <-- made me laugh | ||
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| gfldex | timotimo: that should work | 21:46 | |
| timotimo | Type META6 does not support associative indexing. - in sub MAIN at /home/timo/perl6/install/share/perl6/site/sources/08A003E9585BF4F4FEBD6559AE70DDC410B29DDC (META6::bin) line 216 | ||
| gfldex | timotimo: no wait, you need to set basedir | ||
| timotimo | what kind of value do i set it to? | 21:47 | |
| gfldex | a path without the META6.json part | 21:48 | |
| timotimo | and . isn't valid? | ||
| gfldex | it is and the default | ||
| so is META6.json | |||
| samcv | woo 35 license fields fixed so far :) good work everyone github.com/perl6/ecosystem/issues/324 | ||
| timotimo | meta6 --set-license=Artistic-2.0 --base-dir=(pwd) --meta6-file-name=META6.json | 21:49 | |
| that's what i have now and it still gives that error | |||
| when i just "cat META6.json" i get my data | |||
| gfldex | let me check | ||
| timotimo | let me look what version of META6 i'm running ... | 21:51 | |
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| gfldex | timotimo: i did send a PR that way a few days ago | 21:52 | |
| timotimo | META6:ver('0.0.11'):auth('github:jonathanstowe') | ||
| that's a little bit antique, isn't it ... | |||
| but META6 latest won't pass its tests :< | 21:53 | ||
| timotimo hits it with a large hammer | |||
| gfldex | can't be hard to fix, it's barely doing anything | ||
| timotimo | okay, now it sets the license | 21:54 | |
| in sub MAIN at /home/timo/perl6/install/share/perl6/site/sources/08A003E9585BF4F4FEBD6559AE70DDC410B29DDC (META6::bin) line 216 | |||
| Use of uninitialized value of type Str in string context. | |||
| not sure how this one happens | |||
| samcv | m: say 'abc' ~~ m:i/bcd/ | 21:59 | |
| camelia | False | ||
| samcv | m: say 'abc' ~~ m:i/bc/ | ||
| camelia | ｢bc｣ | ||
| samcv | very goodly | ||
| m: say 'st' ~~ m:i/sta/ | 22:00 | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| samcv | m: say 'stb' ~~ m:i/sta/ | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| samcv | good good good | ||
| timotimo | oh, META6's example my-meta.pl has license as "Artistic", but the license field in the META6.json as well as LICENSE is Artistic-2.0 | 22:01 | |
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| samcv | where is this example | 22:01 | |
| oh. the repo? | |||
| timotimo | yeah examples/my-meta.pl | ||
| samcv | yep | 22:02 | |
| timotimo | github.com/jonathanstowe/META6/blo...my-meta.pl | ||
| samcv | yep | 22:03 | |
| looks like the only PR jonathanstowe accepted was to META for the META6.json file. but reject for all the other ones | 22:04 | ||
| i forgot about that he did merge the META change | |||
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| gfldex | timotimo: META6 itself is fine, seams to come from JSON::Marshall | 22:18 | |
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| gfldex | m: say so "foo" cmp Any; | 22:30 | |
| camelia | Use of uninitialized value of type Any in string context. Methods .^name, .perl, .gist, or .say can be used to stringify it to something meaningful. in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 True |
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| gfldex | timotimo: that's where that warning comes from | ||
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| timotimo | oh, interesting | 22:33 | |
| gfldex | m: say so "foo" eq Any; | 22:35 | |
| camelia | Use of uninitialized value of type Any in string context. Methods .^name, .perl, .gist, or .say can be used to stringify it to something meaningful. in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 False |
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| eater | how do I unpack an hash e.g. in an argument list | 22:56 | |
| so I can full fill a slurpy argument? | |||
| timotimo | you'll put a | in front of the %foo | 22:57 | |
| eater | timotimo: <3 | ||
| thanks | |||
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