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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
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tbrowder Zoffix: that module was renamed Net::IP so i could tag it CPAN5 for lizmat’s butterfly effort. i am happy to remove the *Lite version. 00:14
yoleaux 22 Feb 2018 23:42Z <Zoffix> tbrowder: build log shows your cpan://id/T/TB/TBROWDER/Perl6/Net-IP-Lite-Perl6-1.0.1.meta having invalid JSON in its meta file. Was that ever meant to be a valid module? If not, you should delete it from PAUSE pause.perl.org/pause/authenquery?A...lete_files
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comborico1611_ I'm just now finding out about NixOS. 01:35
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tbrowder .tell Zoffix i have "deleted" all Net::IP::Lite files from CPAN. 02:24
yoleaux tbrowder: I'll pass your message to Zoffix.
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galactus6x hello. 02:38
i have some questions about the use of perl6
i am a bit weary of the python evangelicals. i want to use perl as my scripting and glue language. 02:39
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galactus6x does anyone know what i can do with perl6? as far as data science. i want to use it along with R. 02:40
MasterDuke galactus6x: well, perl 6 doesn't anything quite like numpy or scipy yet, but yeah, it's a good scripting/glue language 02:43
NativeCall makes it easy to call C/C++ libs
galactus6x thanks!
MasterDuke have you used python much? 02:44
galactus6x i am currently debating what to use either python or R and I just am fed up with always being told to use python.
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galactus6x perl6 looks intriguing. 02:45
do you use python MasterDuke?
MasterDuke no, but the docs do have a "from python" section. docs.perl6.org/language/py-nutshell 02:47
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galactus6x i guess, if python is the better language for that purpose then fine, it is just that i am used to learning C and the indenting i find odd. 02:47
Zoffix galactus6x: no idea about data sciencing, but you could flip through the available modules: modules.perl6.org/search/
yoleaux 02:24Z <tbrowder> Zoffix: i have "deleted" all Net::IP::Lite files from CPAN.
Zoffix galactus6x: you'll likely find more modules in that area for our sister language, Perl 5, on metacpan.org/ (thought you can use many of them in Perl 6 via Inline::Perl5 modules.perl6.org/dist/Inline::Perl5:github ) 02:49
There's also Inline::Python; dunno how good it is
eco: Inline::Python
buggable Zoffix, Inline::Python 'Use Python code and libraries in a Perl 6 program': https:\\/\\/github.com\\/niner\\/Inline-Python 02:50
Zoffix uhh.. buggable, what's with the weird escapeage :o
github.com/niner/Inline-Python
galactus6x i think that would be slower and clunkier. but i may be wrong. 02:51
Zoffix galactus6x: yeah, speed ain't the game we're good at yet. We've had our first release in just December 2015. (Python was in 1991 by comparison). They had a lot more time optimizing stuff :) Perl 5 should have decent speed, or you could use Python directly. Though I know what you mean about indenting... I never grew on me either :) 02:52
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Zoffix s/I/It/; 02:53
galactus6x i am currently going through the perl6 book Think Perl6.
Zoffix Ah, cool.
galactus6x i am going to throw in and stick with Perl6. i can also learn R for data science. 02:54
Zoffix \o/
galactus6x i am still trying to find my place in programming. ;) 02:55
Zoffix :) 02:56
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galactus6x thanks for your help Zoffix. hey, how well does perl6 work with Catalyst or Dancer? 02:58
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Zoffix galactus6x: you'd need to use Inline::Perl5 for them. There's these slides from presentation by the author of Inline::Perl5 and there are a few Catalyst slides (starting with 36): niner.name/talks/Web%20development%...rl%206.pdf 03:01
galactus6x: I think a year and a half ago, the lead dev of Catalyst was trying it out married with Perl 6 and they didn't have a huge amount of luck.
galactus6x will it always have to be an inline? or does it matter? 03:02
Zoffix galactus6x: it'd always have to be that module, yeah. Perl 5 and Perl 6 are different languages. But code itself it's not as in strings with code. Once you load the module, the stuff mostly looks and behaves like normal. 03:03
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galactus6x okay. thank you for all the help. 03:04
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Zoffix buggable the bot actually uses Inline::Perl5. It got this Perl 5 code: github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-buggab...Uploads.pm that it loads here: github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-buggab...ads.pm6#L6 and here it loads it just as if it were a Perl 6 class: 03:05
github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-buggab...ads.pm6#L9 and using hashrefs from Perl 5 land as if they were normal Perl 6 hashes here: github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-buggab...m6#L26-L27
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Zoffix (it's not always that smooth going tho... I wrote that Perl 5 module because IIRC I had trouble writing the code it has directly in Perl 6, via Inline::Perl5. It was easier to just write a Perl 5 module with a single class and method and load that instead) 03:07
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Zoffix Eh, they left before I had a chance to mention Cro. mi.cro.services/ 03:10
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Zoffix eco: Inline::Python 03:17
buggable Zoffix, Inline::Python 'Use Python code and libraries in a Perl 6 program': github.com/niner/Inline-Python
Zoffix Downgraded to github.com/timo/json_fast/archive/...898bb1.zip
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AlexDaniel ⚠ Rakudo 2018.02.1 is out 06:13
huggable: deb
huggable AlexDaniel, Alpine, CentOS, Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu Rakudo packages: github.com/nxadm/rakudo-pkg/releases
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jkramer AlexDaniel: I played around a bit with that bot restart feature of yours and found an easier and faster way to trigger a restart that doesn't require a full upgrade. ;) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/15...-367978291 11:02
Hope that helps
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AlexDaniel xD 11:02
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AlexDaniel well, there *is* a killall command: github.com/perl6/whateverable/blob...kefile#L40 11:03
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AlexDaniel but I don't know if it works or not because ｢rakudobrew build moar｣ is so much more handy because it does two useful things at once :D 11:05
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jkramer Yup, it actually is kind of a nice feature if you know about it :) 11:06
AlexDaniel timotimo: ↑ is it actually safe? I recall you were saying that something can go wrong if you do that 11:07
jkramer If someone accidentally removes it, I suggest adding `pkill -9 perl6` or something like that at the and of `make install` in case people rely on the feature
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AlexDaniel xD 11:07
xkcd.com/1172/
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jkramer :D 11:09
teatime notes that on many non-linux unixes, killall does not do what you want; not sure if those are supported platforms or not
jkramer I think pkill is more common than killall. 11:11
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jkramer Just run both to be safe :) 11:12
teatime (as in, killall kills all processes.)
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AlexDaniel all: say 42 11:18
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/bb551f43d145d59c68...f2dee0357a
AlexDaniel what… 11:19
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El_Che AlexDaniel: new rakudo packages: github.com/nxadm/rakudo-pkg/releas...v2018.02.1 11:37
AlexDaniel El_Che: thanks! 11:38
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Zoffix El_Che++ # packages 12:26
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llfourn o/ #perl6 12:27
I'm using perl6 to explore crypto related to cryptocurrencies: medium.com/unraveling-the-ouroboro...99d21dfc88 12:28
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Xliff AlexDanie: xkcd.com/1171/ 12:28
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AlexDaniel weekly: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2018-02-23#i_15850182 12:35
notable6 AlexDaniel, Noted!
AlexDaniel weekly:
notable6 AlexDaniel, 2 notes: 2018-02-19T03:14:40Z <AlexDaniel>: reportable: gist.github.com/a23d46247a4aed8a42...e96e69485b ; 2018-02-23T12:35:06Z <AlexDaniel>: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2018-02-23#i_15850182
AlexDaniel weekly: clear
notable6 AlexDaniel, Moved existing notes to “weekly_2018-02-23T12:35:28Z”
AlexDaniel weekly: “I'm using perl6 to explore crypto related to cryptocurrencies” irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2018-02-23#i_15850182
notable6 AlexDaniel, Noted!
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llfourn AlexDaniel: wow, that's next level irc automation 12:36
thanks! 12:37
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Geth doc/master: 5 commits pushed by (Luca Ferrari)++ 12:55
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Geth doc: 99484ea5ee | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Date.pod6
Fix few typos
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Date
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Geth doc: aaf82dd527 | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | doc/Type/Date.pod6
fix typos
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doc: 081c272e86 | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | doc/Language/typesystem.pod6
note why we dont try to compile this test
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/typesystem
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jkramer github.com/perl6/perl6.org/blob/ma...index.html - the troll link is dead and also there's an unmatched </div> at the end and one too many </ul>s in the middle 15:28
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Zoffix jkramer: which troll link? I see two and both work for me 15:34
Geth perl6.org: b8e2042776 | (Moritz Lenz)++ | source/fun/index.html
Markup fix, jkramer++
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perl6.org: 73b9bc8cce | (Moritz Lenz)++ | source/fun/index.html
Another markup fix, jkramer++
Zoffix moritz++ 15:36
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moritz both links work for me too 15:48
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jkramer pugs.blogs.com/audrey/2009/08/my-ho...gging.html - I'm getting a 404 here 15:51
Zoffix jkramer: what about blogs.com and pugs.blogs.com? 15:53
jkramer Huh weird, I'm using two different tunnels for two different browser and with both I get a 404, when I use a third browser without tunnel it works :)
Maybe some bot protection thing of typepad.com? 15:54
Zoffix I'm viewing it via ssh tunnel ATM
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jkramer Haha, now I'm getting "The owner of this website (blogs.com) has banned your IP" (from cloudflare) 16:03
With both tunnels (different servers) 16:04
timotimo fun times
jkramer You think discrimination is fun?
timotimo can i get some people to test a pre-release version of JSON::Fast with all their wildest documents?
no, "fun times" was sarcasm on my part
jkramer ;)
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jkramer timotimo: I have some pretty wild documents, but I probably won't have time til monday 16:06
c 16:08
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timotimo hm, ok 16:13
jkramer I hate this wifi. Apparently the only way to keep my ssh and the tunnels alive is to simultaneously ping the servers in another shell -_- 16:15
mspo have you tried ssh -oTCPKeepAlive=yes 16:16
El_Che ^--- 16:19
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timotimo i forgot what tool i used to make my distributions and upload them to cpan ... 16:29
ah, it was mi6
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buggable New CPAN upload: JSON-Fast-0.9.10.tar.gz by TIMOTIMO cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/T/TI/....10.tar.gz 16:37
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[Coke] ./win 5 17:45
El_Che if you don't play, you don't win
moritz wiser words have been spoken. 17:46
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El_Che camelia: (^10).pick 17:47
mm 17:48
evalable6: (^10).pick
evalable6
El_Che evalable6: (^10).pick.print
evalable6 9
El_Che [Coke] looses
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mst can you not give a new formatter object a datetime you created? 17:59
oops. I was scrolled up about two days. never mind. 18:00
El_Che it sounds like the anti-brexit campaign :) 18:01
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buggable New CPAN upload: HTML-Canvas-0.0.2.tar.gz by WARRINGD cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/W/WA/...0.2.tar.gz 18:27
lucasb This example in docs.perl6.org/type/Hash#Non-strin...ject_hash)
m: say :{ 10 => 20 }<10> 18:28
camelia (Any)
lucasb m: say :{ <10> => 20 }<10> # <-- Maybe it's worth mentioning :)
camelia 20
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Geth doc: f6b1d64b9d | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Hash.pod6
Correct/explain use of `<...>` with object hashes more

  - The `<...>` creates allomorphs for numbers, not strings
  - Show how to lookup numbers, strings, and allomorphs in object hashes		 18:41
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Hash
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Geth doc: 121607e4bf | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Hash.pod6
Mend info on :{ ... } and Blocks

  - :{} making Blocks is a bug. Now filed as R#1559
   github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1559
  - There *are* actually two ways to make object hashes
   without :{}, so show them.		 19:09
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Hash
synopsebot R#1559 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1559 :{ } sometimes constructs a Block
lucasb role descriptions shows up as italics in docs.perl6.org/type.html 19:14
I don't like that. I think it breaks the reading flow/rhythm. And there already is a declarator column that says the type is a role 19:15
Would anybody mind if this is removed? 19:16
It was added here: github.com/perl6/doc/commit/7ec008...8abeadd69f
reading the list alternating italic and normal fonts is strange 19:19
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lizmat . 19:39
timotimo yay it's lizmat
lizmat only physically around, I'm afraid
Xliff \o 19:42
timotimo it's okay 19:43
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comborico1611 lizmat, eating oranges? 19:45
lizmat yesterday I had one :-)
comborico1611 Eh, better than nothing. 19:47
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Geth doc: e20ad3373d | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Type/Rational.pod6
Document Rational.Bool

Spec: github.com/perl6/roast/commit/f82c984b43 Impl: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/748d1a57b9 Discussion: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6-dev/2018-...i_15851526 Issue: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1552 R#1552		 19:50
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Rational
synopsebot R#1552 [closed]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1552 [@LARRY][RFC] Booliness of Zero-Denominator Rationals
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Geth doc: 8ac934b5e3 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 4 files
Document .Bool on allomorphs

In Rakudo, this method is not actually implemented in allomorphs itself and it's inherited, but in the docs it's hard to see whether the .Bool comes from Str or Numeric portion.
Spec: github.com/perl6/roast/commit/4fab1d3d7c Discussion: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6-dev/2018-...i_15851777		 20:06
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bdmatatu p6: class A does Associative { }; my %a = A.new; 20:15
camelia Odd number of elements found where hash initializer expected:
Only saw: A.new
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
bdmatatu I was confused by this ... should I be able to use a sigil to make a new A as long as it does Associative?
moritz bdmatatu: yes, but you need to bind to the variable 20:19
m: class A does Associative { }; my %a := A.new
camelia ( no output )
bdmatatu oh, cool
moritz m: class A does Associative { }; my %a is A;
camelia ( no output )
moritz also works
m: class A does Associative { }; my %a is A .= new()
camelia Cannot modify an immutable A (A.new)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
moritz m: class A does Associative { }; my %a is A; say %a.defined 20:20
camelia True
moritz m: class A does Associative { }; my %a is A; say %a.defined; say %a.^name
camelia True
A
bdmatatu What does 'is' do in that context? 20:21
moritz it specifies the container type 20:23
bdmatatu neat, thanks 20:24
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Zoffix The "Cannot modify an immutable" is a bug, isn't it? 20:26
Wonder if it's just a too-strict check that the `is` thing ain't a Set/Bag/Mix type
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Zoffix Oh wait no, it just wants method STORE or something don't it? 20:28
m: class A is Associative { method STORE(|) { say "storing" } }; my %a is A .= new()
camelia Cannot allocate memory
Zoffix Yeah, \o/ no bugs
m: class A is Associative { method STORE(|) { say "storing" } }; my %a is A .= new()
camelia storing
Geth doc: 8d9fc62542 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Type/RatStr.pod6
Fix typo; add link; MasterDuke++
 20:30
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/RatStr
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