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Set by Zoffix on 25 July 2018.
timotimo hi 00:00
how are you doing, p6tester?
p6tester testing stuff, going to bed now :)
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Geth doc: 46f28118f1 | Coke++ | doc/Type/Enumeration.pod6
fix compilation errors
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Enumeration
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vrurg If anybody could help me with the following: stackoverflow.com/questions/516189...bute-trait 00:42
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lookatme_q :/ 00:47
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ToddAndMargo I am having troule with a checker error: ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /home/linuxutil/GetUpdates.pl6 Missing block at /home/linuxutil/GetUpdates.pl6:288 01:27
------> # 'UNKNOWN' =>⏏ 0, # 0000b, unknown (default)
Why is it complaining about a "comment" I wrote? How do I troubleshoot this? 01:28
timotimo i would assume you had an opening < on an earlier line 01:29
so it was parsing an array like <foo bar baz>
ToddAndMargo checking! 01:30
timotimo i get that from seeing that it puts the error marker after the >
DrForr .seen lizmat 01:31
yoleaux I saw lizmat 1 Aug 2018 16:08Z in #perl6: <lizmat> in any case, it didn't even build :-(
ToddAndMargo not finding it. the closest is `PrintRed( "$Str\>\n" );` 01:33
timotimo i'd probably have to see the rest of the file. maybe syntax highlighting in your editor can give a clue, but editors often get the finest details wrong 01:34
ToddAndMargo I am going to put some junk in to find where it chashes and waht it up to the error 01:37
timotimo maybe you can put in a > earlier than the error happened and move it further and further back until the error message changes 01:38
a > in the wrong place will, of course (?) also give an error 01:39
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ToddAndMargo I am walking it with `$xxx= (25;` 01:40
timotimo m: my $foo = (25; 26; 27;); say $foo.perl
camelia $(25, 26, 27)
timotimo that's actually a valid code fragment you have there
i've got to go now, good luck! 01:42
ToddAndMargo Found it! `if $Debug || $Status >= %StatusHash<%StatusHash<ERROR> { ` Now I have a new tool to troubleshoot! 01:43
Thank you! 01:44
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ryn1x . 02:11
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ToddAndMargo What is the proper way to escape all the slashes in the following: 02:23
if $Line ~~ | '/windows/security/anti-virus/c/combofix/ComboFix.exe' | {do something}
ryn1x Forward slashes should work fine on windows.... or you can 'c:\\path\\to\\file.exe'... I do not think your path is correct though... windows does not have a root '/' dir like unix... you have to start with a drive letter like 'c:/windows/security ...' 02:28
ToddAndMargo I am in Linux 02:39
ryn1x What are you intending the vertical bars to do? I haven't seen that syntax yet, but I am still pretty new. 02:40
ToddAndMargo I am testing to see if this line exists: 02:42
download.bleepingcomputer.com/dl/e...mboFix.exe 02:43
Thjis was my workaround: `if $Line ~~ m{ "dl/" (.*) ( "/windows" ) } {}`
ryn1x ```.contains``` might be easier than a regex 02:51
p6: say 'download.bleepingcomputer.com/dl/e....contains: '/windows/security/anti-virus/c/combofix/ComboFix.exe'
camelia True
ToddAndMargo I will try .contains! Thank you! 02:52
ryn1x Np =)
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masak good morning, #perl6 07:50
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masak I usually constrain Perl 6 macro discussions to #perl6-macros, but I have two pieces of good news that I'd like to discuss here if anyone has the stamina 07:50
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masak oh, and a question, which is really for TimToady but which might be good to broadcast 07:51
moritz masak: I'll have to leave for a meeting, but I'd love to read your news when I backlog :-) 07:57
masak wonderful. 07:58
(I) There's now a concrete plan for how to achieve hygiene with macros. Jumping straight to the big insight, macros have the useful property that they run _once_ per bit of injected code, so any lookups into the macro can be precomputed and replaced by a Location, which can then be read and written. it's nice and confluent, because we were already sniffing at a Location abstraction for unrelated reasons: 08:04
github.com/masak/007/issues/214#is...-409670173
(II) Something called "contextual macros" has taken shape in the past week or so. They seem to be able to implement (syntactic) junctions, an `each` macro, and the `amb` macro. 08:06
they essentially supersede the older, less concrete idea of "watcher macros" 08:07
github.com/masak/007/issues/349
and here now, is my question:
does COMPILING:: only dig into the _static_ scope? is there/could there be something corresponding that digs into a _runtime_ scope from a macro? 08:08
(I don't know what to call such a pseudo-package. I suppose MY:: is not quite it. maybe RUNTIME:: ?)
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Xliff \w 08:25
\o, even
lizmat masak: UNIT:: perhaps
Xliff o/\
Xliff lismat: Your head is outsidef your arms! 08:26
lizmat yeah, it felt funny :-) 08:28
Xliff :) 08:29
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masak lizmat: hm -- what makes "unit" a fitting description of a runtime scope corresponding to COMPILING? 08:56
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lizmat hmmm... good question: I guess I wasn't awake just yet 08:57
masak it feels to me that the initial use case for COMPILING:: is that things like $?LINE are constant, but that's weird because we know it changes all the time ;)
so COMPILING:: is the scope that can bend the rules a little bit, and $?LINE is assignable in it 08:58
lizmat so do you think COMPILING:: has a narrowed scope than MY:: ?
*narrower
perhaps THUNK:: then ?
as a name ?
masak heh -- I definitely wouldn't think THUNK:: was what I wanted if I went looking for it in the docs :P 08:59
lizmat my $a; ENTER $a = 42 # is that one COMPILING:: or 2 ?
so are you asking for something new or something existing 09:00
lizmat is confused
masak I've lost count of how many cross purposes we've accumulated o.O this is hard to talk about
please slow down :)
COMPILING:: already exists. I think I can pick out three orthogonal use cases for it. one of them is "from macros/quasis", which is neat
that latter one is the only one where COMPILING:: isn't close in _space_ to the scope you're in. so besides meaning "a mutable static scope (used by the compiler)" it also kinda means "the scope that the macro call is in; where we were just now before calling the macro" 09:02
I find all of that neat and I don't want to change any of that
but -- I'm now having use cases where I want everything from the above list except the "static scope" bit 09:03
my use case is an infix:<ff> macro, by the way 09:04
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masak it turns out it falls out _very_ nicely if the macro is allowed to inject (gensym'd) variables into the current _runtime_ scope of the macro 09:04
the variable in question would keep track of whether the `infix:<ff>` operator is "switched on" or not 09:05
lizmat but at runtime, scopes (lexpads) are static, no ?
masak in my mental model, each _block_ (thing with braces) has one static scope/lexpad, and zero or more runtime scopes/lexpads, one per time it was entered 09:06
the static lexpad (a) populates the runtime lexpads with defaults, and (b) acts as an ultimate fallback for lookup that's doing weird enough things, like the fun method-in-method example 09:07
m: class C { method foo { my $x = "OH HAI"; method bar { say $x } } }; C.new.bar
camelia (Any)
masak but the terminology is confusing and varies from case to case. moarvm talks about frames where I would talk about blocks, for example. 09:14
lizmat and then you talk about a mental model, when it is maybe more a frame of mind :-) 09:18
masak haha
I should add that I'm aware that what I'm asking for here is, um, temporally suspicious 09:19
in the sense that a macro is definitely BEGIN-time, and so it shouldn't have much to say about what happens to variables at runtime
lizmat that is my feeling as well 09:20
but the flag could be planted at compile time, and set/inspected at runtime, no?
masak that's the idea 09:21
in the case of this flag, it needs to be initialized in a `once` statement.
lizmat in a way this feels like being able to export a phaser to the scope in which a "use" statement is done
masak yeah, kinda like that
except that this is exporting "in time" instead of "in space" :) 09:22
in a very real sense, the quasi in a macro is already talking about the dynamic/runtime aspects of the code, in the simple sense that the code injected is meant to be run 09:27
lizmat but that's the basic BEGIN conundrum, no? 09:29
masak not sure... what's the basic BEGIN conundrum? :) 09:32
lizmat that you're running code when compilation has not finished yet 09:33
(of the compilation unit(
masak oh! yeah, there are gnarly side effects of that, for sure
particularly strangelyconsistent.org/blog/lexpad...eed-fixups which shows up as an issue in macros, too
there's jnthn's vodka quote about that one. I talked about it with him again last week, and he just said "yeah -- let me know if you find a good solution to that one" 09:39
lizmat vodka quote ? 09:41
masak literally the first line in the linked post ;) 09:46
lizmat ah, ok... I try not to get distracted too much :-) 09:48
masak no worries; didn't mean to distract :) 09:49
the blog post uses "lexpad" where nowadays I'd use "frame", but those are 1-to-1 so it doesn't matter very much
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tbrowder_ tyil: are you here? 10:09
.tell tyil i expect to submit =defn PR today 10:11
bloody irc client
.tell tyil i expect to submit =defn PR today 10:12
anyone see my msgs?
crud!!
sena_kun I do
tbrowder_ sena_kun: hi 10:13
sena_kun o/
tbrowder_ i’m confused with all this spam response and don’t know if i’m being seen or not 10:14
the .tell thing doesn’t seem to work
sena_kun yoleaux is not in the channel for some reason.
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tbrowder_ .tell tyil i expect to submit =defn thingy today 10:15
sena_kun the bot is not here yet.
tbrowder_ probably not registered :-D
sena_kun dunno. 10:16
I use hexchat client and it's somewhat nice enough to use. And registered some months ago for `cro` channel. The spam is quite annoying issue indeed. 10:17
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tbrowder_ trying another client: mutter, trying to come here and it says i’m banned! 10:34
lizmat tbrowder_: maybe one client has the registration credentials and the other doesn't ? 10:36
afk for most of the day& 10:38
Xliff m: class C { method foo { my $x = "OH HAI"; method bar { say $x } } }; C.new.bar # masak -- WAAAT1? 10:41
camelia (Any)
Xliff m: class C { method foo { my $x = "OH HAI"; method bar { say $x } } }; C.new.bar; C.new.foo # masak ^~^
camelia (Any)
Xliff Nope. Not what I was hoping. 10:42
m: class C { method foo { my $x = "OH HAI"; method bar { say $x } } }; C.new.bar; C.new.foo; C.new.bar # masak ^~^
camelia (Any)
OH HAI
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Xliff \o/ 10:42
Oh wait. Isn't that an implied state var? 10:45
m: class C { method foo { my $x = "OH HAI"; method bar { say $x }; method explody { $x = "BOOM!"; self.bar; } }; C.new.explody; 10:46
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Missing block
at <tmp>:1
------> 3= "BOOM!"; self.bar; } }; C.new.explody;7⏏5<EOL>
Xliff m: class C { method foo { my $x = "OH HAI"; method bar { say $x }; method explody { $x = "BOOM!"; self.bar; }; }; C.new.explody;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Missing block
at <tmp>:1
------> 3 "BOOM!"; self.bar; }; }; C.new.explody;7⏏5<EOL>
Xliff m: class C { method foo { my $x = "OH HAI"; method bar { say $x }; method explody { $x = "BOOM!"; self.bar; }; }; }; C.new.explody; 10:47
camelia BOOM!
Xliff m: class C { method foo { my $x = "OH HAI"; method bar { say $x }; method explody { $x = "BOOM!"; self.bar; }; }; }; C.new.explody; C.new.bar; C.new.foo; C.new.bar;
camelia BOOM!
BOOM!
OH HAI
Xliff OK. I will stop, now.
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scimon (Trying to get my IRC client working with the new (and useful) spam measures) 10:59
tyil tbrowder_: sweet! 11:01
tbrowder_ scimon: what irc client? like it? 11:02
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Geth ecosystem-unbitrot: 8e3ab5e9f1 | (JJ Merelo)++ | README.md
Instructions for the squashathon
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jjmerelo Hi 11:39
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jmerelo and hi 11:39
squashable6: status
well...
.seen AlexDaniel 11:41
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tbrowder_ jjmerelo: hi! 11:43
Geth ecosystem-unbitrot: 7b0987ef62 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ | _config.yml
Set theme jekyll-theme-minimal
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tbrowder_ bots seem to be missing (not registered?)
jmerelo tbrowder_: or somesuch...
Squashathon pages now published to perl6.github.io/ecosystem-unbitrot/
Suggestions and any kind of help is welcome 11:45
scimon Just HexChat. 11:46
I've got it logging into freenode but it tries to do the auto join before that's complete.
I can live with it.
Ummm having the test go bold on link hover is a bit ugly. Makes the rest of the test bounce around (perl6.github.io/ecosystem-unbitrot/) 11:47
I meant text not test 11:49
Geth ecosystem-unbitrot: e79103d841 | (JJ Merelo)++ | populate-issues.p6
Added working with issue number

Please @alexdaniel check that it's correct. The idea is to create a map from issue number to module so that it's easy to get one from the other.		 11:51
jmerelo scimon: OK
scimon: where is that? 11:52
jkramer jmerelo: The link in the last paragraph I think 11:53
Actually the one in the middle too but not as bad :) 11:54
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jmerelo jkramer: I see. It's default theme thing. I can change the theme... 11:55
Which I think I'll do, since it does not work in Firefox...
Geth ecosystem-unbitrot: 6c8cce6d5a | (Jonas Kramer)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | README.md
Fix typo.
ecosystem-unbitrot: 832db7f1c3 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ | _config.yml
Set theme jekyll-theme-hacker
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jmerelo hacker theme for the hackathon, I guess I should have set that from the beginning...
jkramer :D 11:57
Geth ecosystem-unbitrot: fa6ff94285 | MasterDuke17++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | README.md
Fix numbering
jkramer How will the issues be polutated and when?
*pop 11:58
sena_kun I guess tomorrow.
Geth ecosystem-unbitrot: 53a45915af | MasterDuke17++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | README.md
Fix typo
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jmerelo jkramer: I expect AlexDaniel to do that, if he's not ready, I can try and do it this afternoon
Geth ecosystem-unbitrot: 4cb021964d | (JJ Merelo)++ | README.md
Adds links
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jmerelo squashable6: status 12:16
squashable6 jmerelo, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in ≈21 hours (2018-08-04 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
jmerelo She's back!
Geth doc: 7f029ca8de | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/pod.pod6
use present tense, prepare for changes
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/pod
jmerelo tbrowder_++ 12:31
[Coke] absolutely off topic: I made sous vide bacon today. 12:33
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MasterDuke [Coke]: huh, don't think i've heard of sous viding bacon before. any good? 12:47
masak I have some encouraging microbenchmark news: 12:50
I just went back to strangelyconsistent.org/blog/send-m...y-in-perl6 and re-ran some of the Perl 6 examples
[Coke] MasterDuke: it was delicious but weird.
masak the Perl 6 port of the Perl 5 version of Version A used to take 15 minutes back in 2015. it now takes 2m19s on my laptop. 12:51
Version B used to take 15 seconds. it now takes 4 seconds. 12:52
(part of this might be due to me having a new laptop... microbenchmarking is hard) :)
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Zoffix masak: the very first example crashes for me with "P6opaque: no such attribute '$!value' on type Pair in a Scalar when trying to get a value" :) 13:12
c: 2018.06 temp.perl6.party/z.txt
committable6 Zoffix, Successfully fetched the code from the provided URL
Zoffix, ¦2018.06: «P6opaque: no such attribute '$!value' on type Pair in a Scalar when trying to get a value␤ in block at /tmp/glT7kl_ZiS line 5␤ in sub choose at /tmp/glT7kl_ZiS line 23␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/glT7kl_ZiS line 3␤␤ «exit code = 1»»
Zoffix mc: temp.perl6.party/z.txt 13:13
committable6 Zoffix, Successfully fetched the code from the provided URL
masak Zoffix: yes, for me too.
committable6 Zoffix, gist.github.com/15c670fc54f98a9c41...6ae65ab25b
masak that code seems to have bitrotted. I don't know exactly why; maybe lizmat knows.
(-) seems to now be returning Pair values, which I don't think it did back then
Zoffix the error suggests a missing decont in the guts somewhere
timotimo shees, the iteration one spends 21.6% in sink, but it's called 26,064,244 times 13:14
masak Zoffix: oh, so it's a rakudobug?
timotimo but it does do something, as the inclusive time is a bit more than the exclusive time
masak man, I'm getting rusty
Zoffix m: use nqp; my $p = :42foo; dd nqp::getattr($p, Pair, '$!value)
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unable to parse expression in single quotes; couldn't find final "'" (corresponding starter was at line 1)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3foo; dd nqp::getattr($p, Pair, '$!value)7⏏5<EOL>
expecting …
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Zoffix m: use nqp; my $p = :42foo; dd nqp::getattr($p, Pair, '$!value') 13:14
camelia P6opaque: no such attribute '$!value' on type Pair in a Scalar when trying to get a value
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Zoffix m: use nqp; my $p = :42foo; dd nqp::getattr(nqp::decont($p), Pair, '$!value') 13:15
camelia 42
Zoffix sprays masak with WD40 he won yesterday
timotimo jeez, all the time sink doesn't spend in "itself" it spends in identity
i wonder if that's almost 100% profiler overhead %) 13:16
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masak "mostly a bunch of naval gazing" -- masak to jnthn, after exiting the Maritime Museum 13:16
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Zoffix masak: but what I was gonna say about that program is if you're using `(-)` a ton of times, wouldn't it make the program faster to just use a Set instead of @digits? 13:18
masak timotimo: if nothing else, I guess it says something about the need for eliminating sinks
Zoffix: probably.
Zoffix I think p6sink already does some elimination
masak Zoffix: or maybe arrays and grep instead of sets
Zoffix (or maybe I'm misremembering) 13:19
timotimo this is sink from List, it has a few ops left in it 13:20
Zoffix List.sink is a noop. Maybe we should eliminate the call entirely in static optimizer/p6sink? 13:22
timotimo how often do we know it's that exact type?
what if someone mixes in something, etc
masak g'ah, exact types. the bane of optimizations everywhere. 13:23
timotimo that's spesh's domain :)
Zoffix :)
tbrowder_ can we have an irc channel for pod? say, #perl6-pod
Zoffix Why do we have a million channels? 13:24
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Zoffix TIL we have #perl6-macro 13:24
or whatevere it was masak mentioned. I don't even remember anymore
#perl6-dev was ded for the past ~12 hours. Why do you need a separate channel to be dead for pod dev? 13:25
timotimo maybe it should be renamed to #007-perl6
Zoffix finds all the 007 stuff offputting TBH
timotimo oh?
Zoffix The bond stuff I mean
timotimo i find it cute and harmless
it's not like we expect to be pushing 007 to business execs
Zoffix I mean, I wanna read the docs, but I keep getting through references to some movie 13:26
tbrowder_ because we can? anyone want to talk pod? we need some consensus on getting formatting code working everywhere, but how to do it is the question. only in the renderers? a text class for every pod string that will always have format attributes? 13:27
etc. 13:28
big changes...
Zoffix tbrowder_: that doesn't answer the question. If you want concensus, why seek it in a place most devs won't know exists instead of—you know—the channel specifically designed for development discussions.
tbrowder_: especially if in the future you want to refer to previous conversation. Now you got to search through $n number of channels because you don't really remember which channel the discussion was on. 13:29
tbrowder_ well i’m blocked at the moment and haven’t been able to register
Zoffix tbrowder_: so register. It takes 2 seconds. 13:30
tbrowder_: how do we know you're the real tbrowder_?
tbrowder_: what's the problem with registering?
mst can probably fix it
/msg NickServ REGISTER teh-password tbrowser@some-email.com 13:31
Did you do that?
tbrowder_ not if you’re a non-irc xpert, catch 22, define an alias before you register it,
Zoffix What alias?
tbrowder_ but i’m registered here, how? beats the heck out of me 13:32
timotimo imgur.com/Ei9UwJs - masak, Zoffix, how do you like this view?
Zoffix NickServ (NickServ@services.): tbrowder_ is not registered.
tbrowder_ any hoo, i’ll quit whining until i can get it sorted out 13:33
Zoffix tbrowder_: did you register with the NickServ register command?
timotimo "register" alone isn't enough, you also need to "identify" whenever you connect. though your irc client likely has a feature that automates it
also, i think freenode allows sasl-based authentication, which logs you in even before you're fully connected
tbrowder_ i originally did, but then that trailing underscore popped up, so who knows
Zoffix tbrowder_: well, switch back to nick without underscore 13:34
timotimo tbrowder without underscore is currently logged in, too
tbrowder_ freenode knows my email and i have a password
timotimo has been idle for 14 hours, says /whois
Zoffix NickServ (NickServ@services.): tbrowder is not registered.
tbrowder_: doesn't look like you registerd that nick either 13:35
tbrowder_ \o/
mst your irccloud account is connected twice 13:36
the first connection is as tbrowder
use that one to register, then confirm it, then everything should be fine
Zoffix m: dd 1 (-) ($ = :42foo,) # golfed crash for the set thing
camelia P6opaque: no such attribute '$!value' on type Pair in a Scalar when trying to get a value
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
mst downgrades back to a scalart container
13:36 mst sets mode: -o mst
Zoffix See the fix too. Gonna file as "good first issue" 13:37
timotimo: don't know what any of the stuff on the image means, so I have no opinion :)
timotimo it's like the profiler, but newer! 13:39
here you can see that sink spends a lot of time in total, but only 0.06 nanoseconds per call 13:40
at least i think ns is what comes at 1/1000 of a ms
Zoffix timotimo: microsecond 13:41
µs 13:42
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mst tbrowder_: shout if you get stuck 13:43
tbrowder_ thnx, afk& 13:46
timotimo that makes more sense! 13:51
thanks
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timotimo the expanded routines there show that the anon from line 50 calls sink 20 million times; i'll want to have a "per entry" in there, too 13:53
m: say 20321281 / 4838400
camelia 4.20000021
Zoffix Filed as R#2167
synopsebot R#2167 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2167 [easy to resolve][medium difficulty] Explosions due to missing deconts in a bunch of Set ops
Zoffix Man, there are 19 easy issues: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/labels/ea...%20resolve 13:54
Need to write some sort of "quickstart of contributing to rakudo" blog and link it in each issue, so anyone who wants to give those a go knows how to start
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Zoffix And like this person got a patch, but doesn't know how to build MoarVM with it: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/21...-409923875 13:55
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Ulti another one is to know any of those tags exist to find the tickets 14:01
timotimo masak: we're already fully inlining these sinks and the "identity" functions inside them (identity is what a decontrv that doesn't do anything spesh-plugins to)
masak: it's just we keep too much crap around due to deopt potential, i believe
ooh that's funny 14:04
directly after the "next" we leave in the call to speshresolve and the call to the result of it
because we never logged anything there, because the point after "next" wasn't reached before the routine got speshed 14:05
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Ulti so I think this script I just hacked up is really torturing Rakudo possibly because it creates a very large string it has to deal with 14:08
jmerelo [Coke] Is it crispy? (The sous-vide bacon)
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Geth perl6.org: 70c5649c8c | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | source/.htaccess
Add URL shortcut for dev IRC channel as well
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alexk_ Hi, does anyone know why it's no longer possible to connect to #moarvm IRC channel via webchat? 14:25
masak alexk_: bet it has something to do with Freenode's ongoing handling of spambots 14:28
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timotimo webchat is supposed to have an exception though? 14:40
perl6 has Cnt, moarvm has cnrt, not sure what the exact differences are
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El_Che ping mst, he know more about the server side 14:40
masak that +r is what the freenode public broadcast announcement advised channels to set 14:41
El_Che registered only?
masak that sounds like it, yes
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timotimo masak: any words on imgur.com/Ei9UwJs ? 14:42
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masak timotimo: I confess to not being good at reading those 14:43
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timotimo is that anything i can try to make better by changing my design? 14:43
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test123_ hi 14:44
timotimo hi test123_
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test123_ sorry, I (El_Che) was testing my anti spam script. Just ignore new joins for 5 seconds. It works :) 14:44
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masak timotimo: I don't have much, only a tiny nit 14:45
timotimo: it looks like in the rightmost column there is a space before the '/' but not after
timotimo ah, indeed! 14:46
i have to put that in explicitly after i split the JSX into lines
so a {" "} was necessary
Zoffix xelak: try again 14:47
masak :)
timotimo and the colors for the bars are obviously atrocious :)
i'm looking for a design pattern that would let me point out to the user "you can click here to get an explanation for this little thing", do you know of anything better than just a little question mark in a box or circle? 14:48
there's the "what's this" thing that windows used to have, that it seems like never got any use anywhere
Zoffix tbrowder_: you should be able to join all our channels without needing to reg any more 14:49
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MasterDuke timotimo: how come it's CORE:: instead of SETTING::? 14:57
timotimo *shrug* :)
i replace SETTING::src/core/ with CORE:: 14:58
though perhaps i also want to have a .d version of that
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MasterDuke CORE.c, CORE.d, etc? 15:00
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Blargsra-p6 Zoffix, my my! You're a genius! 15:14
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Zoffix :) 15:14
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Zoffix So basically, now non-registered users are banned, but webchats and nicks ending with `-p6` are exempt. And the banned users get redirected to #perl6-redirect where the bot tells them to register, change nick to end in -p6 or use webchat 15:16
El_Che that's pretty awful
(it will get me banned if my client disconnect)
Zoffix El_Che: you're excempt too 15:17
El_Che thx
Zoffix
.oO( crybaby :P )
El_Che
.oO( meeeeeeh )
:)
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Zoffix wb :P 15:19
El_Che what about making the channel moderated and giving everyone a voice 10 seconds after joined?
(my client ignore every newly joined nick for 10 seconds) 15:21
Zoffix Kinda confusing. You join, say "Hey all!" and get a message that you can't talk. 15:22
El_Che the boot could write something for the new user
nick: Welcome. You'll be able to write to the channels in 10 seconds (a temporarely measure against spam). 15:23
anyway, let's see if the active setup works
maybe the spammers will die from hepatitis C sooner
Zoffix But what about my genius scheme with redirects and nick exceptions? It's exusitelly convoluted! :) 15:24
El_Che upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/com...ped%29.gif
I remember someone accusing mst of that in a mailing list, so I reread the wikipedia page then :) 15:25
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Zoffix stupid robot 15:34
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linuxdaemon14 With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! williampitcock.com/ 15:36
I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard bryanostergaard.com/
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linuxdaemon14 Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate 15:36
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linuxdaemon14 A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout MattSTrout.com/ 15:36
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Zoffix At least we know the attack is still ongoing :P 15:36
El_Che :)
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Zoffix grr 15:36
El_Che must be one of the longest attacks so far
Zoffix oh right, I forgot one of the multies 15:37
Yeah, mst sure knows how to piss people off :D
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Zoffix A minute of silence for all of the killed bugs in all the programs.... 15:38
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Zoffixw-p6 hm 15:38
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Zoffix I guess /notices don't come through to some users? If there's some mode set, eh? 15:39
it came from me. Need to be registered, I guess 15:40
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El_Che Zoffix: how were your talks? aka, how were they received? 15:44
Zoffix 1 sec
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Zoffix k, notice from bot now works 15:44
El_Che nice! 15:45
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MeiR With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! williampitcock.com/ 15:45
Zoffix Is there an easy way to +v all users?
MeiR I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard bryanostergaard.com/
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Zoffix Is listing all users the only way to do this? 15:47
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Juerd Zoffix: Yes. 15:47
Zoffix crap
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Juerd Zoffix: But note that the network lets you +v several in one line, +vvv foo bar baz 15:48
Zoffix I still have to list all the things tho
Juerd Zoffix: Good irc clients will do that automatically, and will something like "/voice *" to do so
Zoffix: Yes.
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Juerd There's no escaping that 15:48
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Zoffix yey Hexchat ctrl+select -> voice 15:49
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Zoffix hm, looks like it only gives voice to N users even if you select all heh 15:50
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El_Che irssi: /voice * -YES 15:50
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Juerd weechat too 15:50
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Zoffix ok, weekchat now :) 15:51
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Juerd weekchat? 15:51
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Zoffix weechat 15:51
Juerd Does it expire after 7 days?
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Zoffix Well, I must say, this is a strange way to deal with spam. 15:51
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geekosaur the server sets a limit, smarter clients will break commands up to fit it 15:51
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Zoffix And I'm guessing all these users are getting notifications too, eh? :) 15:52
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geekosaur yes 15:52
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El_Che ah, funny: [tmp_ignore.pl] Running action ignore on jmerelo on #perl6 at Freenode... 15:52
geekosaur "MODES=4" in one of the server messages during connection fwiw 15:53
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SmokeMachine can I still speak? 15:53
El_Che of course, my dear 15:54
SmokeMachine I think I do...
:)
Zoffix SmokeMachine: yues
AlexDaniel jmerelo: hello
nebuchadnezzar Zoffix: what about setting the chan to +r to allow only registered and logged in users to speak instead of being in moderated mode?
AlexDaniel jmerelo: haven't read the intsructions yet, but it looks freaking awesome
xinming don't forget me please
Zoffix nebuchadnezzar: that's what it originally was, and people said, "what about giving voice after 10seconds instead of requiring users to register" :) 15:55
xinming I can speak, I was afraid of being blocked out. :-)
geekosaur +r means they can't even join
El_Che ducks
nebuchadnezzar Zoffix: so a bot will voice new people after 10 seconds, I'm ok with that
El_Che nebuchadnezzar: we're a newbie friendly channel, lots of unregistered people pop in for a question 15:56
Zoffix Yeah
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AlexDaniel just in time for the squashathon I guess? 15:56
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Zoffix hm, weird. 15:57
The bot's meant to +v web users right away
nebuchadnezzar so what happen to bots trying to spam the chan? How are they discriminated from users? 15:58
Zoffix nebuchadnezzar: that's why there's a 10 second delay
El_Che nebuchadnezzar: they are k-lined automatically
mostly before the 10 secs
Zoffix nebuchadnezzar: at least in theory, the bot will send the spam in those 10 seconds and then piss off, and we never get it
Juerd I feel we came full-circle, because the first Perl IRC channel I've visited was efnet #perl which had +m and a bot that would give +v, delayed... :D
Zoffix lol
Juerd This was a long time ago 15:59
El_Che Juerd: we should all use epicII or mirc :)
Juerd BitchX
nebuchadnezzar yes, good old time
El_Che Juerd: BitchX started as a epicII script
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edong2320 With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! williampitcock.com/ 16:00
I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard bryanostergaard.com/
Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout MattSTrout.com/
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El_Che agh f* 16:00
Zoffix loool
El_Che: so... now what?
El_Che we form a posse
AlexDaniel bump the limit?
Zoffix My exquisitelly convoluted setup sounds more attractive :)
Juerd El_Che: PHP started as a Perl script. There's probably some pattern here... 16:01
Zoffix I wonder if the bot just waits until it gets voiced if the channel is +m.
That's how I'd make it if I made one
El_Che perl 6 started as a perl5 script
nebuchadnezzar Zoffix: notify new comer with a token to reply to the bot?
Juerd Zoffix: Could be. I never expected it to be that smart...
AlexDaniel Zoffix: ah, makes sense
Juerd nebuchadnezzar: Ooooh. An IRC captcha!
Zoffix nebuchadnezzar: my original idea seems simpler than that , but people didn't like it 16:02
nebuchadnezzar: the idea being the user just changes nick to end with "-p6" or registers it or uses webchat. And the bot tells them to do any of those things
El_Che bump the time and see if it's ok?
jmerelo .seen AlexDaniel
AlexDaniel I'm right here?
nebuchadnezzar Just saying Hello to the bot or to the chan?
jmerelo AlexDaniel: sorry, just woke up
El_Che AlexDaniel: I didn't recognize you without the -p6 suffix
jmerelo AlexDaniel: are you going to populate the issues? Tomorrow? 16:03
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AlexDaniel jmerelo: I was thinking about now 16:03
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nebuchadnezzar Zoffix: what about voicing only polite people who say hello ;-) 16:03
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Zoffix The limit's 15s now. And is 0 for web users 16:03
AlexDaniel jmerelo: but that's only if we're happy with the template I think: github.com/perl6/ecosystem-unbitro...p6#L10-L17
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jmerelo AlexDaniel: Please check the small change I did to the script to save issue # with names 16:04
Zoffix Hmmmm
Are all spamular accounts using a plain IP address as host?
nope :( 16:05
El_Che most of them, but not all
Geth ecosystem-unbitrot: be87ec57ce | (JJ Merelo)++ | populate-issues.p6
Less strong phrasing
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jmerelo AlexDaniel: ^^^ also that 16:05
Anyway, I'm creating the labels
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Blargblae meow 16:07
Nice
.botsnack
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jmerelo Labels created now 16:08
Zoffix The cool thing is this bot is like 16 lines of p6 code :)
El_Che impressive
Zoffix <3 promises
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AlexDaniel jmerelo: “Choose one to work on, and tell everyone by commenting on the issue” why not self-assign instead? 16:11
jmerelo AlexDaniel: you can't self-assign if you're not part of the repo 16:12
AlexDaniel: otherwise said, you can't assign to anyone who is not part of the repo, either by being authorized or by having some code accepted (I think) 16:13
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Zoffix ? 16:15
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Zoffix AlexDaniel: what happened there? 16:16
AlexDaniel I devoiced myself? I think I can talk without it
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AlexDaniel ok I see… 16:16
Zoffix :)
AlexDaniel my irc client shows myself as “+AlexDaniel” and it's annoying :D 16:17
Zoffix same. It also makes it bold :)
s/it/the plus/;
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AlexDaniel` test 16:32
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Zoffix (made the bot /notice info message only once per seen host, so it doesn't /notice-spam people who keep bouncing) 16:32
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Zoffix AlexDaniel`: test successful! 16:33
[Coke] jmerelo - bacon - the meat was crispy, and the fat was oddly... solid. slightly gelatinized?
jkramer Is that the thing where you put meat into a plastic bag and throw it in the dishwasher? 16:36
El_Che a cat?
[Coke] ... conceptually that's close enough, sure. :)
jkramer (that sous vide thing, had to scroll up as I was intrigued by that bacon line of [Coke] :))
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jkramer Gotta try that one day :) 16:38
MasterDuke [Coke]: did you fry it at all? if not, how in the world was the meat crispy?
jkramer I once tried to fry meat in a sandwich toaster. Can't recommend it 16:39
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[Coke] as with most sous vide, finish with a fry. 16:46
so you get the delicious browning.
You could eat it pre-fry, it's fully cooked, but that'd be gross. :) 16:47
AlexDaniel 💫 16:49
just slept for 13+ hours. Not fun :S
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Zoffix New blog post: "Introducing: Newcomer Guide to Contributing to Core Perl 6": rakudo.party/post/Introducing-Newc...ore-Perl-6 17:03
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AlexDaniel Zoffix: still reading and it's promising, but fwiw there's perl 6 without nbsp: screenshots.firefox.com/jMOs3AluZ9...kudo.party 17:08
Zoffix: also “is can” in the same paragraph
Zoffix Meh, I'm tired of fixing the name. 17:09
The name's broken
Fixed. 17:12
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xinming when I try to build use p5 in perl6, I got error Missing serialize REPR function for REPR VMException (BOOTException) 17:14
What might this be caused?
I use something like, use Inline::Perl5; my $p5 = Inline::Perl5.new; $p5.use('Module')... 17:15
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xinming I use something like, use Inline::Perl5; my $p5 = Inline::Perl5.new; $p5.use('Data::Dumper'); 17:19
Do I miss something when I compile perl5?
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xinming Zoffix: ping 17:19
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xinming do you know how to solve the problem about Inline::Perl5? 17:19
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xinming Missing serialize REPR function for REPR VMException (BOOTException) <--- This error 17:20
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Zoffix xinming: it means that you tried to "precompile" an Exception object. You probably have something in the mainline that produces a Failure, but it never explodes during precompilation 17:20
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Zoffix xinming: what if you add `$! = Nil` at the bottom of the module 17:22
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xinming Let me try. bbl 17:23
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Zoffix e: BEGIN 'sandbox/A38'.IO.mkdir.add('Foo.pm6').spurt: ｢constant z = (try require YourMom)｣; use lib 'sandbox/A38'; use Foo; 17:27
evalable6 (exit code 1) ===SORRY!===
Missing serialize REPR function for REPR VMException (BOOTException)
Zoffix e: BEGIN 'sandbox/A38'.IO.mkdir.add('Foo.pm6').spurt: ｢constant z = (try require YourMom); $! = Nil｣; use lib 'sandbox/A38'; use Foo;
evalable6 (exit code 1) ===SORRY!===
Missing serialize REPR function for REPR VMException (BOOTException)
Zoffix e: BEGIN 'sandbox/A38'.IO.mkdir.add('Foo.pm6').spurt: ｢constant z = (try require YourMom); BEGIN $! = Nil｣; use lib 'sandbox/A38'; use Foo;
evalable6
Zoffix xinming: might need a stick a BEGIN to it too; `BEGIN $! = Nil` 17:28
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xinming m: use Inline::Perl5; my $p = Inline::Perl5.new; $p.use('Data::Dumper'); $p.run(q[sub test { print Dumper \@_ }]); $p.call('test', { a => 'b'}); 17:41
camelia ===SORRY!===
Could not find Inline::Perl5 at line 1 in:
/home/camelia/.perl6
/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/site
/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/vendor
/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6
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xinming How do we force a hashref pass please?
In my example, We got something like, ['a', 'b'] in perl5 instead of [{a => 'b'}] 17:42
it seems we have to force $({... }); 17:43
yea, we have to $(...) 17:44
timotimo m: say <a b c d>.pairup 17:48
camelia (a => b c => d)
timotimo i'm not sure what exactly you're interested in :) 17:49
xinming passing perl6 hash to perl5 as hashref. 17:50
timotimo oh, in Inline::Perl5
i haven't used that yet
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xinming but with Inline::Perl5, as far as I tried, they'll be expanded to a list of values 17:50
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timotimo have you looked through the test cases in the Inline::Perl5 repo? 17:51
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Zoffix xinming: basically you just scalarize it, as you've found already $(...). For some things, you pass them as Captures, like `\(1)` to give a scalar ref to 1 17:52
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Zoffix xinming: also don't know what you're doing, but your code seems overly elaborate. This works equally well: use Data::Dumper:from<Perl5>; print Dumper [{ a => "b"},] 17:54
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xinming Zoffix: I wish to see how perl5 sees the data passed, So, I wish to all these within perl5 code. 17:56
what I mean is, I want to see the perl5 view of data style, not in perl6 env.
Zoffix xinming: yeah, that Dumper call is Perl 5's Dumper 17:57
xinming Zoffix: Ok, what I mean is, all things in p5 printed, not things from perl6 17:58
something like that. ignore me anyway, I got it fixed. 17:59
Zoffix ok :)
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buggable New CPAN upload: Sparrowdo-VSTS-YAML-Cordova-0.0.2.tar.gz by MELEZHIK modules.perl6.org/dist/Sparrowdo::V...n:MELEZHIK 18:28
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El_Che Zoffix: it seems to work 18:35
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El_Che Zoffix: an upgrade from #perl5 when all the non registered users are silenced :) 18:35
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perlbot Anonymous pasted a new file at f.perl.bot/p/9zlc9b - 18:57
vrurg Anybody to suggest what is wrong with type capturing in the above link? 18:58
[Coke] wonders how long perlbot has been in here.
m: my $i = Nil; say $i.WHAT 19:00
camelia (Any)
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vrurg m: my Int $i = Nil; say $i.WHAT 19:10
camelia (Int)
xinming for an existing declaration attribute without 'handles <a b c>', How do we add additional 'handles' in subclass? 19:11
geekosaur wants to see that with --ll-exception: that error looks like it's in the process of constructing a different error 19:12
or maybe that's not enough for this, hm 19:13
perlbot Anonymous pasted a new file at f.perl.bot/p/yszbif - 19:15
vrurg The trace is in the last link.
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tbrowder_ helloooo, anyone home? 19:18
nolash passing headers with underscores in HTTP::Request, they get replaced with hyphens. Can that be turned off? 19:20
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xinming seems we can just write the definitions. 19:24
geekosaur I looked but don't know enough about the internals --- and apparently have the wrong rakudo version: the error is likely being thrown in BOOTSTRAP.nqp but mine doesn't have as many lines as your
s
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vrurg geekosaur: Mine is 2018.06 19:25
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Zoffix vrurg: the capture stuff is pretty buggy, and I suspect that's the case there. You're hitting a bug. It's not supposed to say "no gist on T" 19:25
geekosaur ok, I updated last week so 2018.08 and too much has changed
er, I think 08
Zoffix Last release is 208.06 19:26
Last release is 2018.06
geekosaur no, it says 2018.06-234-gcb2ea93
vrurg Zoffix: I felt like reporting a bug. Will do now.
Zoffix nolash: do you know what module it's from? 19:28
nolash: I mean, which distribution is HTTP::Request from?
it sucks that modules.perl6.org doesn't find modules inside distros :/ 19:29
nolash LWP::UserAgent
Zoffix Thanks.
nolash: you mean HTTP::UserAgent, right?
You're using Perl 6, not Perl, right? 19:30
Quickly glancing at HTTP::Request in HTTP::UserAgent dist, I'm not seeing any place in code where it changes _ to - 19:31
hm, but it does change it (checked with `perl6 -MWWW -e 'say get "httpbin.org/headers", :Some_Header<Value>'` which uses HTTP::UserAgent under the hood) 19:35
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vrurg m: sub genf (::T $) { return sub ( T $v ) { say $v } }; genf( Int )( Nil ); 19:38
camelia Type check failed in binding to parameter '$v'; expected Int but got Nil (Nil)
in sub at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
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nolash hmm 19:38
ehh
hehe
I guess I'm using perl5
Zoffix Oh
nolash so wrong channel
Zoffix :)
nolash is there a perl channel?
Zoffix Yeah, you want the #perl next door
nolash 5
vrurg Zoffix: is it same kind of problem? I guess, in this case Nil is treated not as a value but as a type in the signature check. 19:39
nolash Zoffix: thanks!
Zoffix vrurg: looks right tho. `sub (Int) {}(Nil)` isn't going to work 19:40
m: sub (Int) {}(Nil)
camelia Type check failed in binding to parameter '<anon>'; expected Int but got Nil (Nil)
in sub at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Zoffix vrurg: Nil sets a container to its default value when assigned into container. But signatures use binding, not assignment 19:41
xinming class A { }; A does { method test { } }; A.new.test;
m: class A { }; A does { method test { } }; A.new.test;
camelia Potential difficulties:
Useless declaration of a has-scoped method in mainline (did you mean 'my method test'?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3class A { }; A does { method7⏏5 test { } }; A.new.test;
Cannot use 'does' operator on a type …
vrurg is fighting to implement moo-like lazy attributes.
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vrurg Ok, then manual type-checking is what I doomed to have. 19:42
xinming Is it possible to apply roles to loaded class for the runtime globally?
Zoffix vrurg: there's a module for that stuff. I think a couple even
xinming: I think augment can do it
vrurg Zoffix: two. Both doing it absolutely wrong way.
Zoffix vrurg: ah, too bad :)
vrurg One fails if attribute is declared in a role.
Zoffix m: use MONKEY-TYPING; class Foos {}; role Meows { method z { say "meow" } }; augment class Foos does Meows {}; Foos.z 19:43
camelia meow
Zoffix xinming: note that subclasses of Foos won't get the augment. You have to explicitly call .^compose on them to get it 19:44
vrurg I also trying bind an attribute to a Proxy container. Is it something rightful to do? Because so far I end up with indefinite loop on FETCH.
moritz vrurg: if you work with a Proxy, you need to store the actual value somewhere else
xinming Zoffix: What about roles of roles? 19:45
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Zoffix vrurg: prolly. I know you can with Proxee 19:45
vrurg: github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-Proxee#synopsis 19:46
vrurg moritz: Sure I do. I just cannot find out why FETCH => method { %attrs<value> } results in calling same FETCH again. Can't even find out if it's a loop of some kind of a recursion.
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xinming subclass doesn't get the new augment'ed baseclass, what about the role? 19:46
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xinming will the role globally pointing to the same role? 19:46
Zoffix doesn't understand the question
vrurg Zoffix: I didn't want to make a pretty low-level module to bedependant on third-party modules. KISS in action. ;) 19:47
Zoffix m: with class Foo { has $.bar := do { my $v = 42; Proxy.new: :FETCH{ $v }, :STORE(-> $, \n { $v = n }) } }.new { .bar.say; .bar = 100; .bar.say }
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Cannot use := to initialize an attribute
at <tmp>:1
------> 3CH{ $v }, :STORE(-> $, \n { $v = n }) } 7⏏5}.new { .bar.say; .bar = 100; .bar.say }
Zoffix xinming: you wanna have an attribute changed with a Proxy, in other words, right? 19:48
Like it doesn't have to be bound?
m: with class Foo { has $!bar; method bar is rw { Proxy.new: :FETCH{ $!bar }, :STORE(-> $, $!bar { $!bar }) } }.new { .bar.say; .bar = 100; .bar.say } 19:49
camelia (Any)
100
Zoffix that's one way
vrurg Zoffix: I do it with set_value in a HOW role. Though binding in BUILDALL does the trick too.
Zoffix xinming: sorry, I meant to ask vrurg. nm. 19:50
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Zoffix vrurg: ah, I've no idea what set_value is :) 19:51
over my head
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vrurg Zoffix: I wanna lazyness to be working well with private attributes too. 19:51
Zoffix: Attribute.set_value. I'm not familiar with nqp to analize it well, but seems like it binds a value to attribute.
Zoffix s: Attribute, 'set_value' 19:52
SourceBaby Zoffix, Sauce is at github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/df5d...e.pm6#L188
lucasb o/
vrurg So, to the Proxy stuff. I wanna method foo { say $!bar } to have $!bar lazilly initialized as well, as method foo { $.bar }. Too ambitios? 19:53
Zoffix I see. It does bind stuff
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lucasb just to confirm that vrurg may have run into some bug where type captures don't retain the type they are supposed to capture 19:53
related to R#2169 is RT#130286
synopsebot RT#130286 [new]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=130286 [OPTIMIZER] Type capture doesn't capture inside comma lists
R#2169 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2169 Assigning Nil to a scalar declared with captured type changes it's container metaclass to GenericHOW
Zoffix lucasb: comment that on the ticket :)
moritz vrurg: sounds overly ambitious; the p5 version doesn't do laziness for $self->{foo} either 19:54
Zoffix moritz: but what about just having a Proxy?
vrurg moritz: neither it has containers and Proxy.
moritz Proxies are quite expensive, no? 19:55
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Zoffix m: multi trait_mod:<is> (Attribute:D \a, :$laazy!) { a.set_value: $laazy, Proxy.new: :FETCH{ a.set_value: $laazy, now }, :STORE(-> | {}) }; class Foo { has $!bar is laazy(self); method z { say $!bar } }.new.z 19:57
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Can't use unknown trait 'is laazy' in an attribute declaration.
at <tmp>:1
expecting any of:
rw
readonly
box_target
leading_docs
trailing_docs
Zoffix oh well
ah, right, it wouldn't work anyway, 'cause trait is applied before composition 19:59
*before instantiation I mean
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vrurg Zoffix: I postpone lazyfication up until BUILDALL is called. If you're interested, github.com/vrurg/Perl6-AttrX-Extended – this is my playground. 20:01
xinming Zoffix: You told me that subclasses of Foos won't get the augment, I'll have to call .^compose on them. What I mean is, what if we try to augment a role?
if we try to augment a role, will all classes have that role applied also have the modification?
SmokeMachine Zoffix it could only voice the user on its first message after 10 secs... 20:02
vrurg xinming: My guess would be: no, they won't. Roles are applied by mixing into the classes. 20:05
xinming BTW, What does the name monkey-typing mean? means all people doing class augment are just typing like monkey?
vrurg So, to re-apply changes one would need to re-mix again.
xinming Ok, THanks.
Need a way to do .^compose then 20:06
m: use MONKEY-TYPING; role A { }; augment A { method t { "t".say; } }; A.new.t; 20:07
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Malformed augment
at <tmp>:1
------> 3use MONKEY-TYPING; role A { }; augment A7⏏5 { method t { "t".say; } }; A.new.t;
xinming m: use MONKEY-TYPING; role A { }; augment role A { method t { "t".say; } }; A.new.t; 20:08
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Cannot augment A because it is closed
at <tmp>:1
------> 3ONKEY-TYPING; role A { }; augment role A7⏏5 { method t { "t".say; } }; A.new.t;
expecting any of:
generic role
xinming seems we can't augment "roles"
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El_Che xinming: docs.perl6.org/language/pragmas#in...KEY-TYPING 20:12
xinming El_Che: I don't mean the use, I mean why do we have MONKEY-* prefix 20:15
need story :-)
El_Che xinming: I suspect it's a joke composed of the Infinite monkey theorem and Duck Typing 20:17
DrForr .tell lizmat Just caught your reply, no worries. I'll see you in Glasgow. 20:18
El_Che moritz or TimToady can correct me, surely
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tbrowder_ .tell tyil =defn PR submitted 20:18
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tyil tbrowder_++ 20:20
masak xinming: I think it's referring to two things: "monkey-patching" (which is what adding methods to classes after the fact is sometimes called), and possibly the slang expression "to monkey around [with sth]"
tyil is the .tell bot dead?
El_Che masak: my speculation was way beter :) 20:21
masak xinming: in Perl 6, "monkey patching" quickly mutated to "monkey typing", for the reason El_Che described
alexghacker maybe also the saying "monkey see, monkey do" and the monkey that "sees no evil" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/See_no_evil,...ak_no_evil ? 20:22
El_Che there is also the running joke of Java/Perl5/Php being the implementation of the nfinite monkey theorem (but often limited to 100 or 1000 monkeys) :- 20:25
:)
alexghacker maybe "use 🙈;" should be a synonym for "use MONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL;" ?
El_Che hehe 20:26
alexghacker but hmm... I did seem to get distracted by a different monkey 20:28
El_Che or a squirrel
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pmurias xinming: monkey patching means adding methods to a class at runtime in an adhoc manner 20:37
xinming: Perl 6 has it extend to other things a monkey would do while coding
* extended 20:38
MasterDuke dpk: looks like yoleaux is missing 20:39
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xinming Thanks masak pmurias for your explaination. :-) 20:45
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Zoffix SmokeMachine: sorry, what? 21:03
I'm making the bot whitelist the @perl6/ cloak, so... good reason to get one *wink* *wink* 21:04
moritz how does one? message some freenode staff? 21:05
Zoffix moritz: ask mst 21:06
El_Che how does that work?
SmokeMachine the bot could do +v on the user when it sends the first message after 10 seconds... if the spammer waits to get +v to send the message, it will never get the +v
Zoffix El_Che: /whois Zoffix
[Zoffix] (WeeChat@perl6/zoffix)
moritz hey mst, can I please get a perl6 affilication/cloak whatever it's called on freenode? kthxbye
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timotimo have you looked through the test cases in the Inline::Perl5 repo? 21:06
oops
my ssh session is laggy %)
Zoffix El_Che: see the host is all cool-lookin'? That's a cloak 21:07
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El_Che yes, I know what a cloack is, I just wonder how it works (a reverse dns type of setup, a login to the services, etc) 21:08
Zoffix A login I think
SmokeMachine: that means everyone will lose 1 message before they can talk. That'd be mighty confusing for noobs and annoying for everyone else 21:09
SmokeMachine the bot could "print" it 21:10
Zoffix SmokeMachine: oh yeah... that's the other issue. How would the bot see the message? Is there a user mode that lets you see muted messages?
SmokeMachine Zoffix: thats a good question... 21:11
:(
Zoffix Also, doesn't look like there's been any spam attacks after bumping to 15s (even tho #zofbot did get spammed), so I guess we're good
El_Che \o/ 21:12
Zoffix moritz: BTW we have two: @perl6/moritz and @perl6/developer/moritz. Tell mst which one you want
El_Che +Zoffix+
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Zoffix sweet 21:15
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Zoffix oh 21:15
Just noticed: a user joining all 4 of our channels gets 4 notices :P
Made it ban by `.host.contains: '/'` I think that covers all the cloaks and none of potential spam domains 21:16
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lizmat . 21:17
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El_Che lizmat: what you missed so far: Zoffix is being an anti-spam hero :) 21:21
lizmat I'm glad to hear... :-)
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lizmat Am I supposed to talk on #perl6-dev / #moar ? 21:22
*be able to
Message(404): Cannot send to channel
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Zoffix lizmat: 1 sec. Looks like my bot ain't good 21:23
lizmat I don't have particularly much to say, so no worries 21:24
Zoffix ok; should be good now 21:25
Ahh.. I forgot to re-give bannerbot ops in other channels
.oO( nned another bot that gives ops to this bot... )
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buggable New CPAN upload: CamelPub-0.2.0.tar.gz by DONPDONP modules.perl6.org/dist/CamelPub:cpan:DONPDONP 22:28
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AlexDaniel .tell jmerelo I gave you owner access for the perl6 organization so that you can invite people during the squashathon 22:57
:|
no bot
El_Che I'll tell him if I am around 23:01
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buggable New CPAN upload: CamelPub-0.2.5.tar.gz by DONPDONP modules.perl6.org/dist/CamelPub:cpan:DONPDONP 23:08
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