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tony-o_ 3what are you trying to do Xliff 00:38
Xliff vrurg: I could, but it would require a LOT more in the way of repetitive code. 00:45
I did figure out what was going wrong, though.
vrurg Xliff: code sample? 00:46
Xliff paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/At-W...AeIIx0CYPw 00:48
vrurg Where it fails? What did you figured out? 00:49
Xliff Was providing wrap with a block, not a sub. 00:52
Not enough real examples on it to get that from the docs.
vrurg Did you have 'return' in the block? 00:53
Xliff No. nextsame 00:57
vrurg That's anyway not correct error. Could you, pls, make a ticket? Maybe I'll have time for it some day. 01:00
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jmerelo releasable6: status 05:08
tellable6 2019-10-09T19:56:23Z #perl6 <SmokeMachine> jmerelo: github.com/FCO/Librarify/blob/mast...ZefLib.pm6
releasable6 jmerelo, Next release in ≈9 days and ≈13 hours. R6 is down. At least 5 blockers. Unknown changelog format
jmerelo, Details: gist.github.com/efa65c93e0a5ea3134...f22f1e86e5
jmerelo .tell SmokeMachine cool! 05:09
tellable6 jmerelo, I'll pass your message to SmokeMachine
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SmokeMachine . 07:14
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tellable6 2019-10-10T05:09:04Z #perl6 <jmerelo> SmokeMachine cool! 07:14
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AlexDaniel squashable6: status 11:16
squashable6 AlexDaniel, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in ≈16 hours (2019-10-12 UTC-12⌁UTC+20). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
AlexDaniel sooo…?
sena_kun maybe checking old rt queue tickets? or we did that relatively recently? 11:30
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lizmat weekly: www.reddit.com/r/perl6/comments/df...iler_book/ 11:45
notable6 lizmat, Noted! (weekly)
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tadzik hah, I wonder who this /u/deeptext is :> 12:01
good response, lizmat++
timotimo you know, though, right?
tadzik yes 12:02
timotimo OK
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El_Che lol 12:16
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lucasb oh, I only have till monday to write a comment in #81 :-) 12:41
El_Che lucasb: if it's nothing new I would recommend to keep the noise low 12:44
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AlexDaniel lucasb: you can also leave a comment after that 13:11
lucasb: something like “But… but!! You can't rename it! You can't!” 13:12
:)
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AlexDaniel sena_kun: we will do that later when RT tickets are transferred to github 13:20
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tbrowder regarding the path to raku, the last bullet point is confusing to me... 14:31
at lang ver 6.e, should we not be encouraging changing to raku for modules? 14:33
AlexDaniel tbrowder: which one exactly? 14:40
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tbrowder let me find it again...switching to use .raku ... in module code... most modules will not be doing this 14:45
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tbrowder it may be so, but that statement is not very positive 14:45
i would say something more like "module authors are encouraged to start transforming their code..." 14:47
afk&
AlexDaniel tbrowder: it's about the .raku method 14:49
most modules indeed don't use it
greppable6: \.perl
greppable6 AlexDaniel, 3079 lines, 446 modules: gist.github.com/ed38903b2b1bb2de65...8a976497db 14:50
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AlexDaniel greppable6: \.perl\b 14:50
greppable6 AlexDaniel, 2215 lines, 336 modules: gist.github.com/4322514ee9d50fbcca...d4290dada3
AlexDaniel ok maybe they do 14:51
“The hijack lobby” :D 14:53
uzl[m] AlexDaniel: If the rename goes through, will there be an official announcement detailing the history of Perl 6, how the community came up with the new name, etc? If so, I'd like it to be similar to a press release with the microphones, TV cameras, etc? 😁�😁�😁 14:56
AlexDaniel uzl[m]: there will be if you do it :) 14:57
but yeah, I hope somebody writes a nice blog post or announcement 14:59
uzl[m] We might need a camera crew and all that stuff :-) 15:02
AlexDaniel I mean, if you really want something like that, then doing it on a conference is a great way 15:03
moritz may I suggest the German Perl Workshop, March 4th-6th? 15:05
AlexDaniel there's also London Perl Workshop in 9 days 15:06
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uzl[m] I was joking about the camera stuff ;-) but I think going with the rename as planned and then announcing it in a workshop seems like a good idea. 15:17
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TreyHarris A quick OT story that I was just reminded of and may be nostalgic for some of you: when I first met Audrey Tang in 2004, she was the most brilliant unschooled programmer I'd ever met. I'd noticed she could solve thorny problems in remarkably innovative ways (just look at her work on Pugs for one example). If you asked her a hard problem, she'd stare of into the middle distance for about 15 seconds, and then 16:13
give you a brilliant solution. So one day during a lunch at a YAPC I asked her the halting problem, dressed up into a real Perl problem I claimed to have. She stared off for 15 seconds, opened her mouth, closed it, stared off for 20 seconds more, opened her mouth, closed it, got a furrowed brow and stared off for another 30 seconds, then said, clearly a bit distressed, "I... don't believe... you can do that??"
SmokeMachine If it's going to be announced on the LPW, please let me know it some time before it... I need some time to s:g/perl6/raku/ on my slides...
TreyHarris I honestly think she'd just proved the unsolvability of the halting problem in her head on the spot.
pmurias vrurg: Configure.pl in nqp fails to fetch the NQP::Config when nqp is used as a submodule 16:14
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pmurias TreyHarris: dunno, the halting seems intuitively unsolvable 16:15
vrurg pmurias: nqp as a submodule?
pmurias: where?
timotimo TreyHarris: that seems a little mean :)
TreyHarris pmurias: If you dress it up well enough and haven't heard of it, it's not so intuitive. "I hate how if you do perl -c on certain programs, it actually runs the program, can we fix that so perl -c catches it?" for example. 16:16
timotimo: I wasn't going to let her lock up for much longer if she looked determined to solve it. :-) 16:17
Though, pmurias, you are right that the brilliance of Turing's proof wasn't in answering the question of the halting problem but in showing it was equivalent to the Entscheidungsproblem and hence it, too, was unsolvable 16:18
pmurias vrurg: in my yet unreleased repo for making a bunch of npm plugins 16:21
s/plugins/packages
vrurg: the repo is a yarn workspace containing a bunch of other repos
not sure if submodules are the way to solve it 16:22
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pmurias TreyHarris: I would be surprised if au didn't know what the halting problem is, you don't need a formal education to pick up an equivalent from bits and pieces you encounter from programming books and looking stuff up wikipedia ;) 16:27
TreyHarris pmurias: after I explained I was joking, it turned out she hadn't, though was aware there were both practically unsolvable problems and provably unsolvable problems 16:28
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pmurias the pugs era seems so far away, I remember beeing a gangly teen in awe how fast au was developing it 16:41
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rindolf4 Hi all. sup? 16:42
TimToady: here?
AlexDaniel rindolf4: I don't think so, but why do you need to talk to TimToady? 16:50
rindolf4 AlexDaniel: hi, www.shlomifish.org/me/rindolf/ - related to this 16:53
AlexDaniel: Taylor Swift became a new hacker monarch
TreyHarris rindolf4:Since your post explaining what your definition of hacker monarch is was on Google+, you might want to reiterate it elsewhere ;-) 16:55
tbrowder AlexDaniel: thanks, i didn’t catch that! 16:56
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AlexDaniel rindolf4: I am very confused :D 16:56
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rindolf4 TreyHarris: thanks for the comment - I have a zipball of my old g+ posts at home. 17:03
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rindolf4 TreyHarris: if you want i can try to explain that only to this channel 17:04
TreyHarris rindolf4:not for me, I don't serve as Larry's gatekeeper ;-) 17:09
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rindolf4 TreyHarris: ok 17:11
TreyHarris: I think TimToady already sort of gets it 17:12
TreyHarris: given he was one 17:13
TreyHarris: see www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/ - I'll add some Taylor Swift factoids after I get home 17:16
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vrurg pmurias: should be find with --recursive. Can't tell more without testing. 17:16
rindolf4 currently my site is kinda broken 17:17
pmurias vrurg: any ideas how to deal with that? 17:19
rindolf4 TreyHarris: twitter.com/shlomif/status/1175578541292957696 17:20
vrurg pmurias: I don't even understand what exactly goes wrong. Try `git config submodule.recurse true` in your repo? 17:21
pmurias vrurg: --recursive is what I want
vrurg pmurias: I'll be quite busy following hours. You could either open an issue or email me directly with details. 17:23
pmurias vrurg: solved the problem 17:32
vrurg pmurias: How? 17:33
--recursive or config var? 17:34
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pmurias in my topmost release-everything repo I use 'git submodule update --init --recursive' at the start of the release process 17:36
vrurg: and that set up the nqp-configure submodule so that Configure.pl didn't have to do anything 17:37
vrurg Still wonder why didn't it do it's job. Can I use your repo for test? Which one if yes? 17:39
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Geth_ ¦ problem-solving: cognominal assigned to jnthn Issue 0.0.gist returns "0.0" instead of "0" but 0.0.perl works as expected github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/113 18:33
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tbrowder AlexDaniel: any guidance on how to handle names in p6/raku advent posts? 18:45
TreyHarris Advent won't start until well after the current date for changing the marketing name... so call it Raku but in scripts continue to use #! perl6 and use v6...? 18:57
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AlexDaniel tbrowder: yep, call it Raku unless you want to talk about raku history 19:42
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MasterDuke anyone know when (in the day) the talks are going to start for the london perl workshop? 19:55
ZZZzz Hi! I'd like to transform the list (["a", 1], ["b", 2], ["c", 3]) into (["a", "b", "c"],[1, 2, 3]). What is the functional (non-iterative) way to do this in perl6? 19:57
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Grinnz that's called zipping, to give you something to search 20:09
timotimo the roundrobin sub will also do this for you if i'm not mistaken; or maybe it does the inverse 20:10
MasterDuke m: say zip ["a", 1], ["b", 2], ["c", 3] 20:11
camelia ((a b c) (1 2 3))
lucasb m: say zip <a b c>, <1 2 3> 20:12
camelia ((a 1) (b 2) (c 3))
lucasb zip and unzip, 2 in 1 :)
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ZZZzz Perfect, this is very elegant. Thank you all! 20:39
AlexDaniel ZZZzz: just keep in mind the edge cases 20:56
timotimo yes, if there's only one list 20:57
AlexDaniel m: say zip ["a", 1]
camelia ((a 1))
ZZZzz AlexDaniel Thank you. In this case it won't be a problem. I need this transformation for nicer maintainability of the input for the trans() function. 20:59
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tbrowder AlexDaniel: ah, so! will do. i guess i'll wake up some morning after 12 oct and find myself in raku land ;^D 21:37
AlexDaniel tbrowder: Oct 14th 21:46
but yeah, sounds about right
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tbrowder thnx for all the hard work you folks put into the upcoming change!! fingers crossed... 21:52
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Geth_ ecosystem: de5310a66d | tony-o++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
DB::Xoos::MySQL

Part of the refactor so you don't need to install everything and its mom to use an ORM. Based on DB::MySQL		 22:08
discord6 <Aearnus> 4 more days! Y'all need any extra hands for outstanding issues or anything like that? 22:11
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AlexDaniel Aearnus: well, yeah, would be nice if someone takes care of the squashathon :) 22:42
Aearnus: I've been delaying it because we don't seem to have a good topic and nobody is volunteering to take care of it (I personally don't have enough energy to think about it right now)
releasable6: status 22:43
releasable6 AlexDaniel, Next release in ≈8 days and ≈20 hours. R6 is down. At least 5 blockers. Unknown changelog format
AlexDaniel, Details: gist.github.com/947932ae39a6a6a890...fd28905ed2
AlexDaniel also, hmmm, this…
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