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Set by apple-gunkies on 11 November 2005.
luqui where'd svnbot6 go? 00:03
8023 happneed half an hour ago
robkinyon luqui: Apparently, svnbot6 has been somewhat tardy in its updates to the channel 00:06
buu Heh 00:21
It's telling #buubot
19:09 < svnbot6> r8024 | luqui++ | Added the introduction to theory.pod version 2, called the "type metatheory of 00:22
Oh duh
I have ops.
It should work now. 00:23
00:35 wolv is now known as wolverian 01:27 evalbot_8023 is now known as evalbot_8024
stu7 is looking, but not finding anywhere to download a working perl6 ? 01:33
wolverian it has not been released yet. see pugscode.org
stu7 okey, thx wolverian 01:34
wolverian if you're on windows, you can install www.pxperl.com/?pxperl
(which includes pugs compiled ready for you :) 01:35
dduncan hey, CPAN's mirroring is working again ... we can now see the new stuff on the mirrors 06:06
meppl guten morgen 08:14
dduncan ?eval my $foo = [4,5]; $foo.perl; 08:22
evalbot_8024 "[4, 5]"
dduncan ?eval my $foo = [4=>7,{5=>8}]; $foo.perl; 08:23
evalbot_8024 "[(4 => 7), \{(\"5\" => 8),}]"
dduncan question: is a Pair key supposed to be stringified like a hash key?
luqui not in general 08:24
A Pair[a,b] is just a tuple of two things. The *standard* hash is constructed by Pair[Str,b]. 08:25
(As are named arguments)
dduncan I see ...
and I suppose that an array is constructed by Pair[Int,b]
luqui I suppose so
In fact, noticing that symmetry, we might not want to call hashes that are keyed by non-strings hashes. 08:26
Maybe: Array[b] : Pair[Int,b] :: Hash[b] : Pair[Str,b] :: Map[a,b] : Pair[a,b] 08:27
(like an SAT analogy)
dduncan ?eval my $foo = ['4'=>7,{5=>8}]; $foo.perl;
evalbot_8024 "[(\"4\" => 7), \{(\"5\" => 8),}]"
dduncan well that works when I'm explicit, at least
still, the main thing I was checking for tonight is that .perl works ... which is good, then I can use it soon 08:29
nothingmuch dduncan: someone was looking for you on #catalyst the other day 08:44
i think it was LTjake
wrt Locale::Maketext
dduncan hello
nothingmuch hola =)
dduncan fyi, I've never been on #catalyst in my life
will probably change over the next month, though 08:45
do you know why?
besides #perl6, I regularly hang out on just #tangram and #dbix-class, currently ... the latter one or two sometimes mention catalyst 08:46
nothingmuch hmm 08:47
i don't know why
but i advised him to seek you out
dduncan also, Maketext isn't my module, but Keyedtext is
nothingmuch h
oh
oops =)
in that case I caused much confusion over nothing at all
dduncan well, if someone contacts me, I'll set them straight ... as can you if you're back there 08:48
oh, if you're game, I welcome feedback on the revised Overview.pod and TODO.pod under the Rosetta-Incubator docs ... the former has already been edited by one person 08:49
suffice it to say that if my time doesn't get used up by other things, we should have a working database under pugs in less than 2 weeks 08:50
maybe in time for the 6.28.0 release 08:51
nothingmuch sorry, back 08:52
err, /me punts for now
$work is drowning me
dduncan no problem, I'm about to go to bed anyway
almost 1am here
13:13 rafl_ is now known as rafl
robkinyon anyone here know anything about PDFlib or where I can find a channel on IRC where such people live? 16:35
r0nny re 17:22
j0sephi picasa.hu/1133365646-pic04031.jpg ;-))) :) 17:25
r0nny darn 17:26
there is still a problem with method dispatching
is there a way, to make each method to tell debug stuff ? 17:29
rafl r0nny: The current sixpan prototype will be in svn today, I guess. 17:34
r0nny rafl: sweet :)
stevan luqui: pong 17:36
r0nny darn 17:39
its in a loop somewhere, but there is no way, to have a loop 17:40
gaal will that j0 guy stop spamming us? 17:53
robkinyon seen autrijus 18:04
of course - jabbot is here
s/is/isn't/ 18:05
19:00 PerlJam_ is now known as PerlJam
Aankhen`` goes to sleep. 19:14
G'night.
gaal Jesus fish! I quote: "if ($caller[1] =~ m/[.]pm \z/xms) {" <-scary to think of a module name with newlines in it, or that someone was paranoid enough to consider it 19:30
r0nny re 19:33
gaal why does ruleStandaloneBlock exist? 20:12
or rather, why must "the closing brace [...] be the last meaningful character on it line" ? 20:14
and, on another topic, is there any insight about the name clash between the "fail" builtin and Test::fail? 20:16
ingy_ seen autrijus 20:21
robkinyon ingy_: jabbot isn't here 20:41
ingy_ robkinyon: ok 20:47
geoffb gaal, re: "scary to think of a module name" ... that regex ugliness brought to you by PBP. 21:16
(In which it is suggested to use \z and /xms on every regex, regardless of actual need.) 21:17
DesreveR anyone ? 22:00
got a problem with a member var - for some reason it wants to call a method instead of getting the vaule
rafl Where shall I check in the sixpan tools prototype 22:17
s/$/?/
raptorXXX why almost everything i try from here : pleac.sourceforge.net/pleac_haskell/index.html 22:18
does not work, any idea (i'm not talking about regex wich as stated need additional module , seems outdated) 22:19
ghc 6.4
specificly "dot" notation.. 22:21
DesreveR rafl: maybe contrib ?
raptorXXX oops i see
sorry
there is Helpers and there is module
rafl DesreveR: I'd say misc. 22:24
geoffb
.oO( Debugging interpreters *bites* )
 22:25
rafl s/interpreters// 22:26
svnbot6 r8025 | rafl++ | r22538@ata: rafl | 2005-11-30 23:26:25 +0100 22:30
r8025 | rafl++ | * Added the the current prototype for the sixpan tools. It's very proof of
r8025 | rafl++ | concept but shows pretty well what it will be.
geoffb rafl, *chuckle* 22:37
rafl geoffb: Err? 22:38
geoffb rafl: s/interpreters//
Juerd_ yawns as feather leeches from the debian mirror at "only" 50 Mbit/s 22:39
geoffb Still, nothing like having to write a decompiler just so you can figure out what's wrong with your compiler . . . .
Juerd_, yow. Very nice
Juerd_ . . . ! :)
geoffb Same data center?
Juerd_ nafaik
Nope 22:40
geoffb I knew .nl had decent connectivity, but that's damned impressive.
rafl Juerd_: Do you (or a script) do a killall apache from time to time on feather?
Juerd_: I actually don't like sixpan.perl6.nl being down every week or so. 22:41
Juerd_ geoffb: Within the same datacentre, I'd expect to get the full 100 Mbit/s
geoffb: Or damn close to it :)
rafl: No
rafl: Not that I know of, at least
geoffb Assuming the NIC and switch aren't in disagreement about duplex 22:42
Juerd_ rafl: What does your apache log as the shutdown reason?
geoffb: Sure, assuming all kinds of good settings :)
geoffb: If someone screws their settings, of course you won't reach optimal speeds
geoffb: Actually, in an environment like this, there is no question about duplex. It's either full duplex, or not at all :) 22:43
geoffb: And in this kind of setup, one is usually very careful with autoneg enabled versus disabled.
geoffb nodnod
Juerd_ We have it disabled where possible, as that helps an extra few percent in performance.
Most of this is fixed at 100basetx-fd :) 22:44
geoffb Turning off negotiation gives better performance? That doesn't say much about the negotiation.
Juerd_ Indeed.
rafl Juerd_: caught SIGTERM, shutting down
Juerd_ rafl: Hmmm
rafl: At what time?
rafl geoffb: Well, Am I wrong about that? 22:45
Juerd_: unregulary
Juerd_ rafl: Weird, then
geoffb rafl, well, no . . . .
Juerd_ rafl: Can you name me the most recent?
rafl: It'll have to be done through sudo or cron, both of which are logged.
Also, I'm going home in 2 minutes :) 22:46
rafl Juerd_: Nov 4 23:56:00 2005 for example 22:47
Juerd_: Any news about 22c3, btw? 22:48
Juerd_ rafl: Logs don't go back that much
rafl: Well, as it is right now, I'm more than out of cash 22:49
rafl: BUT - one client owes me 8000, and should have paid it by yesterday.
So I'm in a weird and uncertain situation right now.
PerlJam In america your path would be clear: sue for payment! ;) 22:50
rafl Juerd_: Well.. shall I organize something to sleep for you in Berlin or not?
Juerd_ Theoretically, I have enough to pay bills and food for a few months, but practically, I can't travel much more than 500km because I'm out of gas and already using petrol... 22:51
rafl: If it's no big problem if I cancel last-minute, yes, please do arrange something.
I do *plan* on coming, but I'm not entirely sure I'll be able to
obra Juerd_: has the client given an excuse?
rafl Juerd_: It would only be unkind, I guess.
Juerd_ obra: No - but the invoice was due yesterday, so I haven't sent reminders yet. 22:52
rafl Juerd_: Well, so maybe you can send a mail to [email@hidden.address] and explain your situation? (and mention you know me)
Juerd_ obra: It's considered highly inpolite here, to send reminders before an invoice is due :(
rafl: Will do
rafl Juerd_: Thank you. Nice regards from me! :-) 22:53
obra Juerd_: but now that it's overdue, is it implite to call?
Juerd_ obra: Sort of. The expectation pattern is two paper reminders, then a call
obra two paper reminders after it's overdue? 22:54
wow.
That's...special.
And unthinkably tolerant here. Especially with a small vendor
Juerd_ obra: It's no exception to have to wait over 60 days to get your money.
pdcawley Um... I know perl 6 has 'gather', does it have an attendant 'scatter' or am I just confused?
obra Juerd_: right. but that's what PO terms are for.
If they negotiate net 60, they get net 60.
If they just fail to pay you, that's not ok. 22:55
Juerd_ obra: It's what they're for, but the economic climate doesn't allow strict enforcement.
obra: This is the biggest problem in the micro-economic Netherlands...
obra Do you do contracts as some percentage up front?
Juerd_ Yes, but this wasn't work. 22:56
These are goods. Well, sort of.
obra heh
Juerd_ Domain names...
And because this is a very good customer, I have been less strict than usual with prepayment.
obra *nod*
Juerd_ And then shit happened in several areas simultaneously. 22:57
obra "Was a very good customer"
Juerd_ It's nice to sell a big bunch of domain names and make good profit
And they wanted this within a day, because they were planning on releasing their new commercial name to the public.
Now, I do expect to get paid soon 22:58
But I'd be lying if I said I was certain.
obra Best luck :) 23:01
Juerd_ rafl: Sent 23:05
rafl: And I can't find any killall calls through sudo
I'm going home now 23:07
afk
rafl Juerd_: OK. Doesn't matter.
j0sephi picasa.hu/1133393718-1011_de4.jpg ;-) :) 23:36
geoffb Someone who can op themselves in this channel, please kickban j0* 23:50

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