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Set by apple-gunkies on 11 November 2005.
autrijus I'm in debby's talk about how much perl5 sucks from a teaching-it-to-undergrads point of view 01:57
many many excellent points
Khisanth teaching it sucks but grading it sucks even more!
autrijus Khisanth++ 01:58
Khisanth imagine a young tybalt89 in your class ...
which conference are you at ? 01:59
autrijus osdc.com.au
jdv79 is it really that bad? 02:03
i'd like to see the slides on that one
autrijus nod, will ask for it 02:04
almost all of it it's addressed by p6
wolverian what isn't? that's the interesting part.. 02:05
autrijus multiparadigm in particular
completely different things look similar 02:07
eg {...(hash)} vs {...(closure)}
Khisanth oO 02:08
wolverian make hash { } enforced? :)
Khisanth the freepan wiki is a bit messed up ...
autrijus debby said she'll make the slides available online and ping me about it 02:12
apparently a lot of people want task and tag based navigation for cpan.
(heck, I want it too :))
Khisanth like the openjsan tag cloud? 02:13
autrijus yup 02:14
Khisanth nice, if the tags are accurate :)
autrijus the author gets to decide and the tasklist people get to approve 02:24
so probably going to be accurate to some degree
oh wow. loveperl.com/ 02:49
maybe _that_ is the solution for cpan navigation 02:50
dduncan that is funny 02:51
obra autrijus: heh 03:15
what3 this doesn't seem to work: my $userinput = $*IN; 05:55
is this supported?
has anyone else tried it?
Khisanth what3: my $userinput = =$*IN; 05:58
what3 thx that worked 05:59
i don't understand the extra "=" though
Khisanth the first is the assignment operator the second is the erm I forgot the name
I think the perl6 version of <>
what3 oh ok
Khisanth unless there is a =<>
what3 yeah i was reading the equivalents of the reserved variables in the pugs docs but i didn't see that extra "=" in there 06:00
maybe i missed it
gaal unary = is "next", which is like readline on filehandles but more generally an iterator's next "thing".
what3 ah ok 06:01
thx for the info guys
gaal Khisanth: there's not a =<> directly; but it turns out eg. say =<somefile> acts like cat because <> is a quote operator, and = will open a file if it isn't opened yet. 06:02
Khisanth like cat? but isn't = lazy? 06:03
gaal but say isn't... 06:04
anyway it's a golf thing; <> quotes words so you can't say =<a filename with spaces> 06:05
or therefore generally =<<$filename>>
= is context dependent. fire up an interactive pugs and enter 06:06
=<AUTHORS>
you'll only get the first line, since pugs' interactive valuation imposes scalar context 06:07
no wait, that's not true.
you do get only one line, but I can't explain why :) 06:08
e.g. when you say 06:09
my @arr = <a b c>
you get the complete array, obviously not in forced scalar context.
perhaps there's DWIM code there.
$work & 06:10
nothingmuch what does it mean for a method to be declared as 'type myName() const { }' ? 08:21
wolverian in what language? 08:22
nothingmuch shit 08:26
err, i thought i was posting in #c++
wolverian :)
nothingmuch dum dee dum la la al aaaaaaa 08:30
meppl guten morgen 09:08
rafl Good morning 09:09
kane_: I've got the repository layout into a good shape yesterday.
kane_ cool 09:10
did you commit that to S22?
rafl Only some more explanations are missing. Then I'll push it.
should be done until 3pm. 09:11
Maybe you can hold yourself back from commiting to S22? Merging ascii art is pain.. :-)
kane_ neat, i'm looking forward to reading it
heh.. shouldn't it Just Work? as you're merely adding a section? 09:12
rafl Yes. But I had that problem once with another project. I don't want to experience it again ;-) 09:13
Maybe I get it done a bit earlier. I'll have a practical course at 11.30 which mainly consists of waiting.. 09:17
kane_ i'll hold off with commits then :) 09:18
rafl Thank you. 09:19
rafl runs to university
11:39 nnunley_ is now known as nnunley
xinming since PIL stands for Pugs Intermediate Language, How about PIR? 14:58
14:58 stevan__ is now known as stevan
GeJ Parrot Intermediate Representation 15:03
according to : www.parrotcode.org/docs/intro.html 15:04
xinming hm, by the way, will perl 6 use kwid format by default instead of pod? 15:32
masak xinming: as for pod being default, I haven't heard anything suggesting that. my guess is that they well be about equally default :) 16:31
rafl Doesn't say the perldoc synopsis draft something about that? 16:36
xinming masak: I've read the S26, It's said that both pod and kwid will be supported by default. :-/ 16:38
rafl Why should we have a default at all? 16:39
It we recognize kwid syntax it's kwid, when we see some pod, it's pod. 16:40
xinming rafl: hmm, default will make people switch, hmm, Maybe I think I should say suggest. :-P
rafl What's the benefit of switching from A to B? 16:41
Both do the same thing.
pd wanders off to look up WTF a 'kwid' is
rafl pd: Wee docs/AES/S26draft.pod 16:42
pd aha, "KWiki Inline Documentation"
xinming rafl: How about kernel 2.4 or 2.6 series of Linux? :-) they both do the same thing. making a system run.
rafl Err, s/W/S/
xinming well, In fact, I prefer the newer thing. As why It comes out is because of the lack of the old ones. though not to replace the old ones. 16:43
pd hrm. Yep, I guess in theory I'd prefer pod, just because I like multi-line comment blocks better for such things. 16:44
rafl xinming: The benefit of 2.6 about 2.4 is much clearer. What features does kwid have that pod doesn't have?
xinming rafl: S26 give an example of nested list. 16:46
and said that in pod, it will be much longer
though we don't need nested list for every document. :-) 16:47
rafl xinming: pod can do the same.
xinming: But linux 2.6 can do things that 2.4 can't do, so I think it's not a good comparison.
pd rafl, how so, really... 16:48
rafl pd: Err?
pd rafl, linux 2.6 vs. 2.4
it seems to me that they're broadly comparable
rafl preemtive stuff for example. 16:49
pd so they changed some locks around; userspace only notices that it's slightly more responsive when it works
that'd be like saying that you can't compare any two flavors of Unix because one invariably has a different implementation 16:50
rafl That's one of the features that 2.4 doesn't have. There are some more, of course.
pd however, since flavors of Unix generally share the same functionally equivalent syscalls, you can in fact compare them 16:51
fglock how do I 'push' a pair into a hash? 17:22
$h{$p.key}=$p.value looks too verbose 17:23
the pair comes from a function, so I would need a temporary variable to do this way 17:24
another question: how to slurp() from stdin? 17:38
cognominal "42" ~~ rx| qw( 42 ) | crashes pugs :( 17:43
fglock cognominal: you may have to use a newer pugs (it works here) 17:45
but you want "42" ~~ rx| 42 |
cognominal now, I want to test a match on list or an array 17:50
that should work according to my underrstanding of the spec about the ~~ operator 17:51
fglock do you mean: 42 ~~ any( @a ) 17:56
I don't know if this helps - it returns a Junction (bool::false | bool::true) instead of bool::true 17:58
but this works: ?( 42 ~~ any(1,2,3,6,42) ) 17:59
xinming fglock: my $x = ~list(=$*IN); 18:02
fglock: for slurpy the stdin
xinming isn't so sure about this. 18:03
it seems that pugs have a bug with get value from stdin,
fglock xinming: it works - thanks! 18:04
xinming ?eval my $x = ~("haha\n","test\n"); $x.perl 18:05
18:05 evalbot_8085 is now known as evalbot_8098
evalbot_8098 "\\\"haha\\n test\\n\"" 18:05
xinming hmm, I think I found another bug. :-P
?eval my $x = ~("haha","test"); $x.perl 18:14
evalbot_8098 "\\\"haha test\""
xinming fglock: my $x = ~list(=$*IN).as("%s",''); 18:17
fglock: this is the correct version, otherwise, pugs will add a space before each line except the first line.
xinming wonders if add line precedure should be disabled if the previous line ends with "\n" 18:19
s/add line/add space before line/
cognominal fglock: S05 says # An interpolated array: 18:48
/ @cmds /
is matched as if it were an alternation of its elements:
I agree that using any is somewhat equivalent 18:49
rafl kane_: Sorry. No time for S22 during the day. Writing the explanation now. 19:39
19:54 _SamB_ is now known as SamB
particle_ any feather users know if & where bison/yacc is installed? 20:33
...where are my manners... hello all!
Limbic_Region salutations particle_
if which yacc doesn't turn up anything and neither does man yacc I would say it is in a very non-standard directory if it is installed at all 20:34
Limbic_Region has a feather acct (and is using it to chat at this very moment) but doesn't have shell access from work
particle_ agreed.
should i install it locally, or request it for everyone? i have a feeling more than one parrot developer will be needing it 20:35
Limbic_Region *shrug* I don't use feather for anything other than IRC access 20:53
particle_ emailed juerd 20:54
fglock cognominal: re '/ @cmds /': this depends on PGE, which is still under implementation 20:57
(Parrot Grammar Engine) 20:58
particle_ interpolation of perl vars is not yet implemented in PGE's P6Rules compiler 20:59
kane_ rafl: no worries 21:09
fglock what does 'Invert' means (in a PIL App node)
particle_ juerd++ 21:11
fglock ok, found it - it doesn't mean Invert, but Invocant :) 21:13
rafl kane_: pushing. 21:19
kane_: I guess my phrases aren't very clear. Maybe you can improve it a bit.
(If you get my idea :-) 21:20
kane_ i'll take a peek tomorrow morning ;) 21:29
rafl kane_: It's not that much? Maybe you can take a quick look now? If you're fine with it I'd do some more implementation work this night. 21:33
kane_: I like the JIB::Inst and JIB::Package::* stuff, btw. 21:37
kane_: That does almost everything that I wanted WRT different installation types. 21:39
kane_ rafl: i'll pull it now then 21:49
rafl: thanks, it took some working out, but i think it DTRT now
rafl kane_: Don't spend to much time with looking at my ascii art. The principle is explained below it. 21:53
kane_ rafl: the design makes sense -- we'll have to pick a few configurations we think are useful.. if we did all of them, they're near infinite :) 21:59
rafl kane_: Yes. Therefor I choose author, module name and language. 22:16
kane_: Do you have a better default?
kane_ rafl: nope, sounds good
it's author & module now for cpan, and that works pretty well 22:17
rafl OK.
rafl starts JIB::Repository hacking again

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