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pugs.blogs.com/dist/Perl6-Pugs-6.2.13.tar.gz released! | run.pugscode.org | spec.pugscode.org | paste: sial.org/pbot/perl6 | pugs.blogs.com Set by audreyt on 17 October 2006. |
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| eviltwin_b remmebers why the file-time things ara a pain in the butt in Haskell... | 00:03 | ||
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| eviltwin_b | ...yep, looks like they should return Integers. yug | 00:32 | |
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| svnbot6 | r14541 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Parser.Operator: Sqaush the annoying 'term or "\("' | 00:51 | |
| r14541 | audreyt++ | message on parse-errors waiting on a term. | |||
| audreyt | (at houston airport; boarding in 30min) | 00:52 | |
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| cmarcelo | audreyt: ping | 01:07 | |
| audreyt | cmarcelo: pong | 01:08 | |
| (but only for 20min) | |||
| ingy: I'll probably not make it to Seattle now that neither stevan nor lwall is going to make it afaics | |||
| cmarcelo | audreyt: "darcs pull moh" before getting in the plane :o) | 01:10 | |
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| audreyt | already did | 01:11 | |
| :) | |||
| first thing I did, actually | 01:12 | ||
| cmarcelo | what's the estimated time of arrival? | 01:17 | |
| I will arrive in São Paulo by Wed or Thu, you folks will be hacking at the hotel or somewhere else or dunno? | |||
| audreyt | ooh, nice, I look forward to two days of intense MO hacking with you | 01:19 | |
| I'll stay in conference hotel | |||
| probably will hack there | |||
| will arrive tomorrow morning | |||
| boarding now... see you in brasil! | |||
| cmarcelo | see you :) | 01:20 | |
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| eviltwin_b | hm, filetimes need $*BASETIME. mmm, yak shaving | 01:46 | |
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| eviltwin_b | well, this ought to be interesting :) | 02:15 | |
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| eviltwin_b | hm, whoops, forgot to deal with the EpochTime issue setting up $*BASETIME. guess I'll deal when it errors out :) | 02:22 | |
| hm, smells like I've committed an encapsulation violation. feh. | 02:30 | ||
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| eviltwin_b | but I did introduce a dependency loop. feeeeeh. | 02:33 | |
| wish S29 didn't commit to keeping perl5's semantics for -M/-C/-A | 02:34 | ||
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| eviltwin_b | woo, think I got it (and fixed the encapsulation issue at the same time) | 02:47 | |
| guess I meant S16 instead of S29 earlier. | 03:02 | ||
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| Eidolos | audreyt: I'm reading through your recent Pugs slides. Very nice work. :) | 06:47 | |
| eviltwin_b | so if I have implemented a new operator (which the parser already knows about), jhow do I hook it in? | 06:54 | |
| I thought just adding the appropriate `op1 ...' foo (in this case `op1 "-M"') would do it due to pattern matching, but pugs complains about prefix:-M not being defined | 06:55 | ||
| hm, ok, so that error implies it found it but thought it mismatched in types. think I'm too tired to untangle tis now | 07:03 | ||
| Haskell types are (obviously) correct, not sure how the internal Perl types work although I cloned the file size stuff to set it up | |||
| lumi | eviltwin_b: I think it needs to be added to the prec table? | 07:05 | |
| eviltwin_b | hm, looked to me like all the file tests werer already there, just without implementations | 07:10 | |
| (but with tests, somewhat incorrectly) | |||
| lumi | Which I think is initSyms in Pugs.Prims | ||
| See, the other -X are in there | |||
| eviltwin_b | ah, yes, missed that somehow. rebuilding now. lumi++ | 07:12 | |
| eviltwin_b should probably not have bitten off quite so much the first time :) | |||
| lumi | Nonsense, always leap before you think | 07:13 | |
| eviltwin_b | huh, didn't realize perl5 returned fractional days. okay, get to tweak a bit | 07:18 | |
| otherwise, I appear to have success :) | |||
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| palomer | will I have to put @ before hash tables in perl 6? | 07:22 | |
| Eidolos | The grades test case (in junctions) is kind of weird. if (one(@grade) < $threshold) { you may go to the movies } else { you may not } | 07:36 | |
| But if all your @grades are above threshold, you still may not go to the movies. | |||
| It should probably use all(@grade) >= $threshold | 07:37 | ||
| (but then it might just be a test for one in which case the odd output is probably excusable) | 07:38 | ||
| Er, it's not a test case, sorry, it's an example. | 07:42 | ||
| eviltwin_b | palomer: a hash variable would always be prefixed by % --- you never use @ (like in perl5 for hash slices) or $ (for individual lookups) | 07:43 | |
| woo. | 07:45 | ||
| only problem with this code (aside from someone probably disliking the style :) is silliness with EpochTime | 07:46 | ||
| afaict the only way to get it into a useful numeric form is read $ show | |||
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| eviltwin_b | hmph. think I confused svn somehow; svn diff (empty) and svn status (various generated files) don't do useful things | 08:16 | |
| Eidolos | svn status is probably reporting mysteriously new files, and svn diff isn't showing them because they aren't svn added. | 08:18 | |
| eviltwin_b | er? the created files are things like Makefiles | ||
| I added no files otherwise | |||
| Eidolos | What does svn status look like? | ||
| eviltwin_b | but I'd expect to see the changes I made to e.g. src/Pugs/Prim.hs | ||
| Eidolos | oh | ||
| eviltwin_b | ktrace suggested svn diff wasn't doing much of anything, actually | 08:19 | |
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| eviltwin_b | huuuuh. "make test" blocks svn somehow? now that it's done, svn status etc. work | 10:27 | |
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| Debolaz | Can a perl 6 module inherit from a perl 5 module with pugs? I see it's possible to use a perl 5 module, but inheriting didn't work as smoothly. | 11:06 | |
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| pmurias | hi, | 12:54 | |
| i'm coding a symmetry detection algorithm | |||
| Juerd | Images? | 12:56 | |
| pmurias | how do i determine the angle formed by edges at each vertex if i know the coordinates of the three points? | ||
| Juerd: polygons | |||
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| pmurias | Juerd: it probably would be simpler to do it with images as there seems to be more info on it | 12:57 | |
| :) | 12:58 | ||
| cs.haifa.ac.il/hagit/courses/semin...tching.ppt | 13:00 | ||
| if you are intrested in the problem | |||
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| pmurias trigonomery skills are lames, so he has to ask to people for help with the mathy part :( | 13:02 | ||
| s/second to// | |||
| Juerd | My trigonometry skills are near to non-existent | 13:07 | |
| I know Pythagoras, and that's about it :) | |||
| (Have been using it last week, though) | |||
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| svnbot6 | r14542 | kudra++ | This week's summary | 13:20 | |
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| pmurias | Juerd: thanks for trying to be helpfull, i'll code the KMP and ask somebody at school tomorrow | 13:40 | |
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| pasteling | "rindolf" at 88.152.243.90 pasted "Perl 6 Building Problems" (22 lines, 1K) at sial.org/pbot/20731 | 14:58 | |
| rindolf | So what do I do to resolve sial.org/pbot/20731 ? | 15:01 | |
| lambdabot | Title: Paste #20731 from "rindolf" at 88.152.243.90 | ||
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| integral looks | 15:07 | ||
| you haven't installed enough GHC | |||
| did you install from source? | |||
| If you installed from source, you need to follow what the last paragraph of the error says: you need both -src and -src-extralibs (untar them both from the same dir, they both untar into the ghc-6.6 subdirectory) | 15:08 | ||
| rindolf | integral: I compiled the ghc-6.6 SRPM that I adapted myself. | 15:11 | |
| integral: I didn't unpack src-extralibs. | |||
| integral | That's the problem then. | ||
| rindolf | integral: so I'm going to do that. | ||
| integral | If you understand how to build cabal modules indidually, you could build extralibs as its own srpm(s) | ||
| *individually | |||
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| svnbot6 | r14543 | audreyt++ | * stm-contend.pl: Sleep 0.1 instead of 1 sec each step. | 16:06 | |
| r14544 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Prim: async{...} should use user-level threads by | 16:09 | ||
| r14544 | audreyt++ | default; system-level threads are to be created via some | |||
| r14544 | audreyt++ | other mechanism. | |||
| r14544 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Prim: Allow sleep for fractional seconds. | |||
| r14545 | audreyt++ | * util/build_pugs.pl: "make prof" doesn't work on threaded | |||
| r14545 | audreyt++ | runtime, so disable -threaded when building profiled. | |||
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| rindolf | Man! It takes a helluva long time to build ghc. | 16:21 | |
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| Debolaz | Can perl 5 modules be used for inheritance, or are you merely able to 'use' them? | 16:54 | |
| audreyt | Debolaz: they are not yet integrated into the metaobject model | 16:58 | |
| so currently no, but I'll keep that req in mind this weekend working with cmarcelo on MOH | |||
| there's nothing preventing them from being inherited, it's just SMOP :) | |||
| Debolaz | Ah. | 16:59 | |
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| Debolaz tried using DBIx::Class. :-) | 16:59 | ||
| rindolf | audreyt: what's SMOP? | ||
| Debolaz | It's probably a good thing (tm) if that works at some point. | ||
| rindolf | audreyt: hi, BTW. | 17:00 | |
| Debolaz | rindolf: Some Matter of Programming. | ||
| s/of/Of/ | |||
| audreyt | *Simple | ||
| Debolaz | Yes, that. | 17:01 | |
| :) | |||
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| Debolaz | Still trying to find a project to use perl 6 for. It can't be something big and important, but it should be something I need. :/ | 17:06 | |
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| audreyt | nodnod | 17:10 | |
| to be honest 90% of my use of pugs at this point is one-off scripting | |||
| that involves a lot of =$=DATA and .comb and the sorts | |||
| nothingmuch | .hairgel | 17:11 | |
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| rindolf | Hi nothingmuch | 17:15 | |
| I can't believe it! I built ghc for the third time and Pugs still isn't happy. | |||
| audreyt goes catch up sleeping... | 17:18 | ||
| nothingmuch | hi rindolf | 17:22 | |
| integral | what's it this time? | 17:24 | |
| Debolaz ponders if O'Reilly even bothered to test their Safari Books system with Opera. | 17:25 | ||
| I take that back, I can't get it to work properly in any browser. | 17:31 | ||
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| Patterner | lynx? | 17:33 | |
| rindolf | integral: the %setup macro unpacked -extra-libs into the wrong directory. (ghc-6.6/ghc-6.6/ instead of ghc-6.6/). I fixed it now. | 17:37 | |
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| integral | ah | 17:39 | |
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| TSa | HaloO | 19:39 | |
| rindolf | Hi TSa | 19:44 | |
| integral | hmm, anyone had any luck with profiling pugs? I've just run a "pugs-prof examples/mandel.pl" but the pugs-prof.prof file is 0 length :-/ | 19:46 | |
| TSa | HaloO rindolf | 19:49 | |
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| rindolf | Yay! I finished building ghc. | 20:08 | |
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| xie | Hi, I'm wondering if it's possible to use Perl 6 rules from Pugs without Parrot | 20:20 | |
| integral | afaik know the current version uses the perl5 implementation by default | 20:23 | |
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| xie | Hmm, I'm running with #!/usr/local/bin/pugs | 20:28 | |
| use v6; | |||
| and I get the error *** Cannot parse PGE: ^\-?\d?\.?\d+$ | 20:29 | ||
| *** Error: Cannot find the parrot executable in PATH | |||
| integral | oh, hum. | 20:30 | |
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| integral | hrm, what's the difference between the Val type from Pugs.AST.Internals and Pugs.Val? Is the latter a new one that needs transitioned to still? | 20:46 | |
| integral wonders why op2Numeric uses pattern guards instead of normal pattern matches | 20:48 | ||
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| eviltwin_b | d'oh! missed fromEnum somehow. code is much cleaner suddenly. | 21:54 | |
| but still have a bit of a problem. need to wait for this test run to finish (*sigh* svn oddness) to put diffs up somewhere for reference | 21:58 | ||
| pugs uses ClockTime, stat times are EpochTime, I'm not sure they're guaranteed to be related. so $*BASETIME is an EpochTime instead of a ClockTime | 22:00 | ||
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| eviltwin_b | (obviously on unixlike systems they're related, one is gettimeofday() and the other is time(). no clue about e.g. win32) | 22:10 | |
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