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svnbot6 r16168 | avar++ | A broken parser in progress 00:41
avar ?eval token tölustafur { <[ 0 .. 9 ]> } token fleytitala { \-? <tölustafur>+ \. <tölustafur>* <[\e\E]> <[\+\-]>? <tölustafur>+ } ("1.0" ~~ /<fleytitala>/).perl 01:00
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evalbot_r16167 *** Cannot parse regex: <fleytitala>␤*** Error: ␤"Match.new(\n ok => Bool::False, \n from => 0, \n to => 0, \n str => \"\", \n sub_pos => (), \n sub_named => \{}\n)" 01:01
TimToady works in my pugs if you make the exponent optional 01:04
but evalbot has trouble with character classes currently
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avar ya, it does:) 01:07
svnbot6 r16169 | avar++ | still fails tests, oh noes 01:11
TimToady ?eval token tölustafur { [ 0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9 ] } token fleytitala { \-? <tölustafur>+ \. <tölustafur>* [ [e|E] [\+|\-]? <tölustafur>+]? } ("1.0" ~~ /<fleytitala>/).perl 01:12
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evalbot_r16168 *** Cannot parse regex: <fleytitala>␤*** Error: ␤"Match.new(\n ok => Bool::False, \n from => 0, \n to => 0, \n str => \"\", \n sub_pos => (), \n sub_named => \{}\n)" 01:12
TimToady guess it still doesn't like the indirect rule 01:13
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wolverian oh, wow, ouch: lolgeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/200...eks016.jpg 01:30
buu What? 01:48
Is that a laptop?
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rindolf Hi all. 05:29
offby1 ho ho 05:30
buu: no, it's not a laptop; he's just happy to see you
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rindolf /~ Perl 6 Today! My Love has gone away ~/ 06:02
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riffraff hello 09:05
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riffraff inside pugs, what is the proper way to dup a string? 09:06
gaal that doesn't quite make sense in haskell context.. or do you mean dup a p6 string? 09:09
newStr <- newTVar (VStr "moose") 09:10
TVars are our mutable cells
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riffraff of course dup'ing a p6 string 09:20
I was ecpecting to use scalar_clone but that require strange STM usage that I0m not ready to understand yet :)
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riffraff ah, but newTVar gives me back another STM thingy :) 09:33
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rindolf Hi gaal, riffraff 09:38
riffraff: are you Israeli?
Because I think riff-raff is Yiddish.
riffraff no, I'm italian sorry, and I thiought riffraff was american :)
rindolf riffraff: maybe it was.
Let's check.
www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=riffraff 09:39
lambdabot Title: Definition of riffraff - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
rindolf Yes, it isn't Yiddish.
riffraff: hey, Italians are cool.
riffraff: well, some of them are.
riffraff actually thinking of it we have an expression "di riffa o di raffa" in italian (di == of , o == or) which doesn't relate at all wioth the engligh meaning but it's cool
rindolf Even most probably. 09:40
riffraff rindolf, I think we are genberally nice people, but I don't like italian tourists abroad, way too much and way too noisy, so I don't know if you had the right experience :) 09:41
rindolf riffraff: I'm not sure I've met too many Italian people. 09:42
Maybe in Israel. 09:43
riffraff: I've been speaking with a couple of Croatian students on MSN.
My favourite English tense is I will have been being spoken.
riffraff that exists as tense in english? OI always thought of it as a bug in my language's grammar :)
rindolf riffraff: yes, it's passive future perfect progressive. 09:44
riffraff dehe
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rindolf riffraff: do you know any other human langs besides Italian and English? 09:48
riffraff: I know Hebrew, and a little Arabic and even less French. (Don't know Italian). 09:49
riffraff: do you still live in .it?
riffraff I knew enough about latin, had it in school for 6 years, I can understand latin languages when written and I have _a clue_ on how hungarian and japanese work, but I can't seriously understand them
yeah I do live in it, even though from september to february I was an exchange student in budapest,hungary. Great place, but fun & uber-hard language 09:51
rindolf, hebrew seems cool, sadly I'm stuck at "cheers" and don't even know how to spell it :) 09:52
rindolf riffraff: you mean Lehayim? 09:53
riffraff yep
rindolf riffraff: szabgab knows Hungarian.
riffraff: OK. 09:54
riffraff mh.. szab seems to be the stem for "free" and gab seem to be the beginning of my first name (gabriele). Interesting coincidence :)
rindolf riffraff: the Hebrew Alphabet is easy, but the problem is that it is usually written without the vowels.
riffraff: His name is Gabor Szabo.
He has too accents on his name. 09:55
Which I don't remember where they are.
He is named like the Jazz guitarist.
But he is not the same person.
riffraff well gabor and gabriele are the same name, as far as I can tell, hungarians translate names in interesting way (stephan -> istvan)
rindolf riffraff: szabgab.com/ 09:56
lambdabot Title: Gabor Szabo (SZABGAB) Perl Programmer and Trainer
rindolf riffraff: gavrie'el is a Hebrew name. 09:57
riffraff: did you know that "Mikha'el" in Hebrew is "Who is like the god?"
riffraff yep, I think mine is god's own force or something like that 09:58
rindolf riffraff: Plato is Ablaton in Arabic.
riffraff: something like that.
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rindolf riffraff: or god has superceded everyone else. 09:58
riffraff el ~~ god, isn't it ?
rindolf riffraff: el is "a god".
riffraff: in ancient Hebrew "Eluhim" meant "leader". 09:59
rgs and rafael ?
rindolf rgs: Repha means ghost.
rgs: or at least "Ruhuth Repha'im" are ghosts.
Ruakh is spirit in Hebrew. 10:00
Sorry.
Ruahh
rgs: what's up?
rgs patches
rindolf rgs: I see you guys have been busy with perl-5.9.x
rgs still busy 10:01
rindolf have been being busy.... ;-)
rgs: what is your new work about, BTW?
rgs I'm working for booking.com, with a bunch of well-known hackers 10:02
rindolf rgs: I finalised my XML::RSS grant with a summary.
rgs: ah nice.
rgs: what does booking.com do?
rgs: is it Perl?
rgs hotel reservations.
100% Perl
rindolf rgs: nice.
rgs: what is the hardware you're using to run it? 10:03
rgs no idea. OS is linux
riffraff rgs, you work for booking.com? I love you. 10:04
polettix rgs: ugh, "Tutti i/gli 235 alberghi" :)
riffraff used it couple of times in the past, always wonderful.
rgs er
nice :)
rindolf polettix: what does that mean?
rindolf hates localised messages.
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polettix rindolf: "all of 235 hotels" (but my English is horrible). In this case, "i/gli" should be only "i" :) 10:05
rindolf polettix: oh OK. 10:06
polettix stupid me, there's English localisation :)
"all 235 hotels"
rgs use Locale::Maketext
I don't work on the public site, thoguh. 10:07
polettix rgs: I didn't know booking.com. I recently booked via venere.com, but I'll keep booking.com present next time
rgs yay :) 10:08
rindolf rgs: how much do you work per week and day?
rgs too much.
polettix rgs: on the one side, this possibly added traffic should be good for your society and let you all work on 5.10, on the other side the added traffic could make you more busy and drive you away from 5.10... I wonder what's better ;) 10:09
rindolf rgs: heh. :-(
rgs: www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/compu...t-slavery/
lambdabot Title: The End of Info-Tech Slavery, tinyurl.com/2vlpfe
rgs I saw that 10:10
rindolf rgs: ah OK. 10:11
rgs: which database are you using there?
rgs mysql
rindolf rgs: oh. 10:12
polettix rindolf: I worked with some guys from Israel lately, they work in a society called iSkoot and developed some stuff in Perl. Do you happen to know anyone of them?
rindolf rgs: does it work well?
polettix: sorry, no.
polettix: never heard of iSkoot.
polettix: Gabor and I are pretty well known in the Israeli Perl community. 10:13
rgs well, the replication andd other advanced features actually work
rindolf But the amount of people who work in IT and are actually trying to become familiar with the FOSS culture is low.
polettix rindolf: they have a SIP-Skype gateway product
rindolf: yes, I read your name in the golf records :) 10:14
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rindolf polettix: heh, I'm not too good at golf. 10:17
polettix: I like it though.
polettix: I find golf compulsive.
polettix: www.shlomifish.org/open-source/
lambdabot Title: Open Source Software I wrote 10:18
Drago84 w la figa e non ci pensate + xD
polettix oO
polettix didn't know about qmail 10:21
it's particular that some of the critics resemble those moved by DJB himself to the BIND team 10:22
rindolf polettix: and www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/ 10:23
lambdabot Title: Shlomi Fish' Philosophical Writings
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riffraff is thewre a Rule constructor that takes a string and an hash of adverbs? 11:19
just Regex, possibly :) 11:20
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fglock rgs: I submitted a cv to booking.com, a few weeks ago :) 11:51
rgs willing to move to amsterdam ? 11:52
avar does a `o/' :) 11:53
fglock why not? :)
avar rgs: is it interesting work? 11:54
fglock I'm also looking at other places
rgs avar: web stuff 11:55
bas rgs: funny. i'm in amsterdam as well :)
rgs I'm not. not today 11:56
most of the time I'm in Paris
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riffraff ?eval my $s='hello'; $s ~~ s:g[l] = {rand} 12:02
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riffraff ?eval my $s='hello'; $s ~~ s:g[l] = {rand};$s 12:03
evalbot_r16169 \"he<SubBlock(<anon>)><SubBlock(<anon>)>o"
riffraff ah ok
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riffraff ?eval my $s='hello'; $s ~~ s:g/l/{rand}/;$s 12:04
evalbot_r16169 \"he0.48896788130257461.9172812234417747e-2o"
riffraff ?eval my $h={rand};my $s='hello'; $s ~~ s:g/l/$h/;$s 12:05
?eval my $h={rand};my $s='hello'; $s ~~ s:g/l/$h()/;$s
evalbot_r16169 \"he<SubBlock(<anon>)><SubBlock(<anon>)>o"
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evalbot_r16169 \"he0.244085676210021090.4262533017728136o" 12:06
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Phocean_ hi 12:38
[particle] hey there
Phocean_ I have been working for days on a script that is supposed to extract attachements from emails
I think I am close but I would need some help 12:39
[particle] a perl 6 script?
or more likely perl 5? 12:40
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Phocean_ perl5, sorry 12:41
[particle] this channel is for discussions about the perl 6 work in progress. for perl 5 questions, you'll have better luck in #perl on irc.perl.org
Phocean_ ok thanks
[particle] no trouble, good luck
dmq or maybe perlmonks.org 12:43
probably better perlmonks.org if you have almost working code that you need guidance on.
[particle] good point
dmq #perl seems to focus on, er, other things than perl... 12:44
:-)
integral #perl is very big on answering questions, if they're actually asked.
dmq p'haps. 12:45
from what ive seen tho PM is a better forum for help.
although it could be argued im biased. :-) 12:46
integral Don't worry, I'm also biased by being a #perl regular 12:48
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svnbot6 r16170 | gabriele++ | Implemented Str.subst as pure perl in Prelude.pm, relying on Pugs::Internals::rule_(pattern|adverbs). 12:57
r16170 | gabriele++ | It is slow, buggy & incorrect but better than nothing.
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dmq nods 13:06
riffraff dmq, nod @ commit? 13:08
avar is a #perl irregular
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dmq no, nod at integral. 13:16
more or less meaning i didnt mean to disrespect any #perl folks. 13:17
riffraff I see :) 13:18
avar Quite slutty about who we respect aren't we?:) 13:20
dmq thinks of a million lame smarmy responses 13:21
avar hehe:)
riffraff in perl6, if I want to access the captures while substituting I should use s/foo/$1$2../ right? wasn't there a \1 \2 thingy too? 13:26
avar no, \1 is deprecated 13:28
\1 doesn't even work in perl5 outside the tokenizer, it's just turned into $1 for backwards compatability during string interpolation 13:30
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riffraff nice to kow 13:32
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fglock riffraff: $1$2 is now $0$1 13:33
riffraff yes I noticed 13:34
thanbks
how is $() called? 13:40
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svnbot6 r16171 | gabriele++ | added some more tests for subst 13:47
fglock riffraff: you mean it's name? it's the "match return value" I guess
riffraff ah nice
thank you
wow, I lost enough time trying to implement Str.subst that I forgot why I needed it :) 13:48
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fglock riffraff: heh - that's why I do TODO lists 14:07
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jerrylee hi what's smoke server for? 15:03
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[particle] jerrylee: hi. you mean the perl script? 15:24
jerrylee [particle]: in the pugs code 15:25
[particle]: i am reading it
[particle] there's a client, which generates and sends smoke output
and a server, which receives and displays it
as i remember, anyway. i haven't looked at the code in a long time 15:26
jerrylee [particle]: what's smoke output? 15:28
[particle] smoke is a make target, like test, or install 15:29
jerrylee i see
[particle] it runs the test suite and generates output that can be displayed later
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[particle] multiple machines submit smoke reports to the smoke server, which consolidates them on a nice page for display and comparison 15:30
gaal jerrylee: smoke.pugscode.org/
lambdabot Title: Pugs Smoke Reports
[particle] so we can see for example that a set of tests is passing on x86-linux but failing on osx-darwin
jerrylee i see, so it's a way to share the make results for developers? 15:32
[particle] yes
it's also a way for a single developer to track progress of test results over time
for example you submit smoke report for r123 and r456
you can compare the pass/fail/skip/todo test results between revisions 15:33
jerrylee [particle]: cool 15:34
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[particle] i think so 15:34
riffraff someone as an example of something that does Str ?
ah maybe found nevermind 15:36
gaal riffraff: maybe do this stuff in the new Pugs.Meta.Str 15:38
you can test it by calling subst on vv("moose").subst(/oo/, "00") instead of plain "moose".subst(...) 15:39
riffraff ok, let's try to be slow :) 15:41
what is Meta.Str ?
Str's metaclass? what is it for?
jerrylee is sleepy
riffraff Str.HOW says that it's metaclass is Class, afaict 15:42
jerrylee got to go guys, see you tomorrow
riffraff once I know what is Met.Str: what is vv ? 15:43
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riffraff and finally: is there a Str role somewhere where I can put my stuff 15:45
because Prelude.pm seems to use the Str class for everything but it doesn't sound right 15:46
and btw, how can eval() be declared as "is safe" ? 15:52
TimToady ?eval eval "BEGIN { say `ls` }" 15:55
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evalbot_r16171 Error: Unsafe function 'Pugs::Internals::runShellCommand' called under safe mode 15:55
riffraff Oh I see 15:56
TimToady, is there any difference between $str.match(/rgx/) and $str ~~ /rgx/ ? 16:03
TimToady not that I can think of
just a difference of precedence 16:04
riffraff ok, thanks 16:06
I was thinking: what is the exact signature for subst & match ? I think it makes sense to allow strings as patterns but that would make them behave slightly differently from s/// and m/// 16:11
or maybe more similar, depending on the point of view 16:12
gaal riffraff: look at the logs from moritz.faui2k3.org/irclog/out.pl?ch...29#id_l125 16:18
lambdabot Title: IRC log for #perl6, tinyurl.com/2hrh5o
gaal that's re: MO, vv, Meta, and so on
riffraff I see thanks for the link I'll investigate
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TimToady riffraff: it's a good question. s/// and m// are implemented in terms of .subst and .match, but that doesn't mean that they have to be exactly equivalent, as long as the methods are a superset of capabilities and the mapping from one to the other is stable. 16:24
and as for prior art, we allow a constant string to .split now 16:25
veritos TimToady: no no pesky convert-to-regex-ing now? sweet.
i made much use of the literal markers
TimToady if something is a FAQ in P5, it probably is changed in P6... 16:26
FAQs are a design smell... 16:27
veritos but perl 6 has faqs too!
i should know--i spent 2hrs yesterday fixing them up.
TimToady hopefully p6 smells different... :)
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TimToady well, I always overgeneralize. :) 16:28
veritos ah. but is not the purpose of v6 to make one smell like the other?
"nor has the camel evolved to smell good." 16:29
TimToady I wonder what mooses smell like...
offby1 eww.
that's how. 16:30
[particle] eggs.
veritos i lived in alaska for ages. i had one in my backyard. in a hot tub.
they don't actually smell too bad.
offby1 A moose bit my sister once.
(y'all knew that was coming.)
veritos a moose once bit my sister. get it right.
and if you want comedy: www.alaska.com/about/photos/wildlif...8207c.html 16:31
lambdabot Title: Alaska.com | Wildlife gallery, tinyurl.com/2yllfw
riffraff TimToady, nice to know thanks. I think I'll implement it in my next "mostly harmless hack" session :)
gaal veritos: you mean you had a pet moose you kept in your hot tub? or that it was a random visitor?
veritos random. 16:32
but the kiddy pool pic i just posted is funnier
gaal not for the moose
veritos heh. a neighbor had a bear in his backyard
svnbot6 r16172 | gabriele++ | added dummy implementation of Str.match in prelude plus few tests
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torz yawn, damn its past 1am already 16:36
TimToady indeed, 9am is past 1am
torz thank god its the golden week here!
TimToady .tw?
veritos TimToady: not everyone lives in sunny california. 16:37
torz nope, .jp
TimToady wakarimashita
torz sugoi :D
yah, remembered this channel from YAPC last month
TimToady I forget that .jp goes 8 hours off when .us is on Daylight Savings 16:38
well, I guess it's us that goes off...
torz so you're a Perl6 guru? 16:39
TimToady お疲れさま出した。
veritos torz: he's larry wall.
TimToady no, I only know Nihongo. 16:40
torz oh wow
you signed my colleague's keyboard last year
TimToady I will sign anything that my wife would let me sign. :D
torz hahahaha!!
awesome
TimToady wanted to come to yapc this year but was double booked. 16:41
veritos we should have one in oregon.
torz oh... I only had time to go to Audrey's talk on the first day :(
veritos that covers merlyn, ingy, and you.
TimToady I thought you were in Seattle
veritos and i somewhat prefer oregon anyway 16:42
TimToady less sales tax, anyway...
veritos indeed
TimToady infinitely less, by one reckoning
veritos ?eval 1/0
evalbot_r16171 Error: Illegal division by zero
[particle] ingy's in seattle, well he will be in a few days 16:43
veritos remembers to check his blog
[particle] less income tax in washington, though
veritos [particle]: you from here also? 16:44
[particle] here being seattle? yes
TimToady in California we have a lot of everything, though we did something about the prop taxes some time back... :)
torz tax in japan is pretty frustrating also 16:45
TimToady the cost of living in Tokyo is amazing
the thing I find awesome though is how the city mixes skyscrapers and little houses together 16:46
torz haha yeah everything is crammed here
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torz rent is waaay too high. 16:48
TimToady where are you from originally? 16:49
torz Japan 16:51
TimToady Tokyo?
torz nope
Kobe
living in Tokyo though.
TimToady haven't quite made it to Kobe
came close when I flew in to visit Kyoto 16:52
torz its a pretty city :D
ah, kyoto!
you should visit us next time you're in .jp
Brian Aker visited us not too long ago
TimToady あなたの英語は、すごい！ 16:53
torz ?????
TimToady mojibake? 16:54
torz oops
TimToady this channel usually runs in utf-8
torz oh
あいうえお 16:55
hows that?
TimToady いいです。
torz やった：D
TimToady did you get what I said earlier?
torz yeah thanks :D 16:56
ta
thanks for the compliment
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TimToady いいえ！ 16:57
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TimToady unfortunately I'm much better at writing Japanese than understanding it when spoken 16:58
well, I should let you sleep.
torz hmm? I'm not going to sleep for another... hmmmm 5 hours? 16:59
TimToady graveyard shift?
torz haha nope
I usually can't be bothered replying to private emails in the day time. 17:00
lazy :)
so I do it at this time
plus the kettle is on, which means coffee is on its way!
TimToady 楽しんで。 17:01
torz ありがとう
ラリーにあえてうれしいです。
TimToady よかった 17:03
torz 日本に来る予定は？
TimToady ざんねんですが、知りません。 17:05
来年でしょお。。。 17:06
torz btw, one of my colleague says I should talk to your about japanese anime.
TimToady yeah, we watch almost everything we can get our hands on. well, everything decent... 17:07
torz hahaha, nice.
just recently (last night actually) watched a movie called innocent.
TimToady anime? 17:08
torz way too complicated, guess its one of those movies that you have to watch atleast twice to understand it.
yep
TimToady it usually takes a year or two to get over here
unless they plan a simultaneous release
I'll keep my eyes open for it 17:09
cmarcelo moose! any of you know if there's an english version of Perl 6 Today slides? most recent I found in english is from the talk at Google... 17:10
TimToady cmarcelo: what, you can't read Japanese?
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torz heh 17:11
TimToady: You should definitely watch "steam boy"
TimToady did
good movie 17:12
torz good eh
TimToady the visuals were pretty stunning
torz indeed 17:13
ガンダムすき？ 17:14
cmarcelo :-P
TimToady gandamu? I don't know what that is... 17:15
torz bullocks :p
TimToady Gundam!
torz yep
TimToady sorry...
yes, we've watched a lot of that, though not recently
early gundam in the US was very badly edited, but more recent stuff is better 17:16
or maybe I'm thinking of macross...
for some reason those blur together in my head 17:17
torz havent watched macross... 17:18
it is a good watch?
uhh, is it a good watch
TimToady it's pretty good, a little more about culture and a little less about fighting than gundam, but not much different 17:19
torz I heard Naruto is quite popular in the US of the A.
oops US of A more rather
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torz ahhh series with political thoughts are awesome 17:20
TimToady for some reason we haven't watched Naruto yet. I've heard of it a lot.
maybe we were too poor when it first came out 17:21
torz it'll suck a looooot of your time if you start watching it
TimToady we were borrowing a lot from my brother-in-law at that point, and maybe it just never came over from his house
torz ah
TimToady or maybe my wife didn't like it for some reason. don't recall offhand... 17:22
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TimToady my wife explains that Naruto is not really available here except in badly edited English version 17:26
torz TimToady: you know of mixi right?
TimToady I don't recognize it 17:27
what is mixi 17:28
?
torz hmmm the largest SNS service in Japan entirely written in perl
TimToady yeah, I just googled for it. :) 17:29
torz one of the platinum sponsors of YAPC::Asia this year heh
good old google!
TimToady kakkoii
torz what is? google?
TimToady that mixi is in perl
torz oh that
yeah, totally LAMP 17:30
where P = Perl :D
TimToady one would expect a certain amount of P = Ruby in Japan...
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torz ha 17:31
TimToady which I guess is P interpreted as a Greek rho
or cyrillic 17:32
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TimToady but then a classical greek would have had little idea what 'L' means... 17:34
A and M work though
torz わからない
TimToady greek has capital letters for A M and P, but not L 17:35
torz oh
TimToady looks like Λ instead
torz would *NAMP work?
TimToady but also P == 'R' in greek, so the p sound would be Π 17:37
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torz hmm just going through the search results for mixi on google, english pages are outdated :( 17:37
TimToady N works in greek
torz greek sounds too complicated
TimToady heh
I don't think four spelling systems are enough for Japanese, let's add Greek too... 17:38
torz you like greek eh
TimToady I like languages
they all have their good points and their bad points. 17:39
torz ah reminds me of doing applied logic at college back in the day 17:40
vaguely remember doing some about expressing knowledge.
some -> something
TimToady さあ、シャワー 17:41
torz oh thats right, there was something trippy that proves some things cant be expressed
me too!
its super hot in Tokyo tonight
sweating like a mad man 17:42
TimToady シャワーしなければなりません
torz おつかれさまです
TimToady shshshsh & 17:43
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fglock cmarcelo: ping 18:49
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fglock the p6 adventure game we started at yapc::sa - www.perl.org.br/bin/view/Artigos/Ad...resInPerl6 19:16
lambdabot Title: AdventuresInPerl6 < Artigos < TWiki
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svnbot6 r16173 | fglock++ | [PCR] - ast cleanup 19:33
pasteling "fglock" at 201.54.129.80 pasted "parse p6regex to a tree, into pugs" (31 lines, 549B) at sial.org/pbot/24669 19:34
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fglock @tell cmarcelo - pugs can use this data to emit either perl6 or haskell - sial.org/pbot/24669 19:37
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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TimToady /id 22:10
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TimToady avar: ping 22:35
avar TimToady: pong 22:36
TimToady hi, I can't check out your t/grammar/02-fjöldatala.t on Windows because of the ö 22:37
says it doesn't know how to convert UTF-8 to native encoding 22:38
avar urgh
TimToady I suppose Windows 2000 Professional doesn't grok unicode filenames...
svnbot6 r16174 | avar++ | moved to an ascii filename 22:39
TimToady thanks!
avar it's an Icelandic programming language, I was going to be really hip and use icelandic chars:)
TimToady I agree, urgh
avar but rule names will do:)
dmq windows 2k groks unicode filenames, for a limited definition of unicode. 22:44
ucs-2 specifically.
TimToady well, it didn't like ö for some reason 22:45
I suppose something's configgered rong
dmq in what context?
TimToady trying to check out a filename containing ö
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TimToady svn knows it's in utf-8, but couldn't convert 22:46
dmq encoded as what?
avar I don't think svn knows that it's utf-8 at all
TimToady the error message talked about utf-8
avar which is presumably the problem
hrm
dmq ah, right, svn probably doesnt know about the widechar interface, and probably doesnt know the filename is utf8 encoded anyway.
scratch the last part. 22:47
avar maybe it guessed or I sent locale info over in the commit?
dmq perl doesnt know about the widechar interface either.
TimToady that's likely the problem here
anyway, it just gave up on the checkout 22:48
nothing else depends on that filename, so it's not a major issue in this case
dmq something to keep in mind for a C implementation of Perl 6, dont use char *'s as parameters for system routines. :-)
TimToady the Makefile just gathers *.t in the normal fashion
what is this C that you mention? is it like Java? 22:49
dmq might go so far as to say dont use char * for anything...
its this language i learned to hack on this language that you invented...
TimToady might go so fars as to say don't use C for anything
avar if you need awesome fastness use Common Lisp and SBCL:) 22:50
dmq blech.
TimToady the first Ada compiler was in SETL
dmq I have to say, im really glad that Perl gave me an excuse to do some real C programming. That is entirely beside the fact that Perl gave me an excuse to do Perl programming. 22:51
TimToady primal C therapy...
avar Ya, I learned C by mucking with XS and the perl runtime:) 22:52
svnbot6 r16175 | gabriele++ | Str.subst('str.literal','replace') works 23:06
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avar (s/// as sugar for subst)++ 23:10
You don't know how much easier things would be over in writing-api-for-the-p5-engine-land with that sort of stuff:) 23:11
TimToady you mean (subst as desugar for s///)++, I think
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avar TimToady: Honey, as long as we have dat sugar:) 23:12
TimToady shweet
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svnbot6 r16176 | rhr++ | Add a (relatively) full-featured password manager to examples/ 23:18
r16176 | rhr++ | (uses unimpl p6 features, a working p5 version exists if anyone's curious)
avar rhr: commit it! 23:19
:)
rhr the p5 version?
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TimToady the p6 feature, I think 23:23
svnbot6 r16177 | rhr++ | Add p5 version of password-manager
TimToady hmm, except that would be a "commit them", I suppose... 23:24
rhr that's kind of beyond my abilities at this point, unfortunately... 23:26
wolverian holy moly, 300 commits since last pull 23:27
this gladdens me heart, aye it does
svnbot6 r16178 | rhr++ | Add the silly Markov chain script to examples/ while I'm at it 23:29
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svnbot6 r16180 | lwall++ | [markov.pl] typo 23:56

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