pugscode.org/ | nopaste: sial.org/pbot/perl6 | ?eval [~] <m oo se> | We do Haskell, too | > reverse . show $ foldl1 (*) [1..4] | irclog: irc.pugscode.org/
Set by diakopter on 11 July 2007.
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pugs_svnbot r17163 | agentz++ | PCR - added pos info to <before ...> and <after ...> and updated Rule.pmc accordingly 02:52
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17163
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17163 - Pugs - Trac 02:53
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pugs_svnbot r17164 | agentz++ | PCR - always put the _pos slot to the top hash so as to be consistent 03:38
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17164
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17164 - Pugs - Trac
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diakopter ?eval {.say}.('boo') 05:31
evalbot_r pugs: user error (*** *** Can't modify constant item: VUndef␤ at <prelude> line 782, column 9-46␤ <prelude> line 782, column 9-46␤ at)␤ 05:32
diakopter eh.
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obra win 10 05:57
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agentzh obra: hi :) 05:57
obra hey agentzh 05:59
agentzh obra: i've been pondering how difficult it would be to write a xul frontend for jifty these days...
obra is just getting ready for bed
ooh. I'd love to see that
agentzh obra: i may have a chance to work that out in $job_time
obra: my manager loves xul as well as perl :) 06:00
obra: the Template::Declare stuff that emits xul code has made him quite excited ;) 06:01
obra very nice.
agentzh sleep well, obra
i'll post stuff to jifty-devel if the project starts :)
obra I'd love to see TD refactored well enough to make T::D::XUL T::D::HTML as easy subclasses. 06:02
with Template::Declare::Tags left only for compat ;)
sounds good.
I'll watch for posts or commits ;)
have a good sunday
agentzh obra: i'll take a close look at the TD tags stuff
thanks :)
the same to you
obra thanks. & 06:04
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moritz_ good morning ;) 07:59
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moritz_ agentzh++ # PCR hacking 08:02
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moritz_ I convinced my boss to allow me perl hacking at $job ;) 08:04
masak moritz_: moin 08:05
woot
moritz_ now I'm converting CAD and CAE material data files to xml
not exactly exiting, but much more intersting than doing it manually ;) 08:06
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moritz_ is an html tag allowed to have multiple ids? 08:11
lumi moritz_: How can a tag have multiple ids? 08:13
You mean, <tag id="foo" id="bar"> ? Then no
moritz_ <tr id="foo" id="bar>...</tr> I'd guess... I just don't know if it's allowed...
lumi It isn't... Do you need it for CSS?
moritz_ lumi: thanks, that's sad :( 08:14
lumi: no, for anchors...
lumi Ah, can't help you then, sry
Try nesting
masak moritz_: why do you need multiple ids?
moritz_ in the irclogs, the anchors are currently based on the line number on that day, which changes if lines are marked as spam... 08:15
and therefore I want to swith to id based anchors
lumi Maybe switch it to database ID?
Oh, but you want the old links to work?
moritz_ lumi: exactly
lumi Nesting <a> tags is the only thing I can think of 08:16
Or just putting them next to one another
<a id="foo"/><a id="bar"/>content
Er, ignore he XMLism
moritz_ why? it's xhtml 1.0 strict ;) 08:17
lumi Well, don't ignore the XMLism, then :P
masak I would avoid <a /> elements if I were you 08:18
moritz_ masak: and use <a></a> instead=
s/=/?/
lumi masak: Why?
masak moritz_: no, just id attributes on other elements 08:19
lumi: because id attributes are shorter to write and easier to understand
lumi masak: What do you suggest for this case? id on <tr> and id on <td>?
moritz_ lumi: I'm doing just that right now ;)
masak lumi: maybe. still a bit uneasy about having to divide it up like that
why is backwards compatibility that important? 08:20
moritz_ masak: "Cool URLs don't change" ;)
masak moritz_: true :)
lumi The line <td>s are just backwards compat, so you can put them in the less correct location :P
Errrr
The line *anchors*
Although the line anchors are already incorrect, aren't they? 08:21
moritz_ lumi: in most cases they are correct
lumi Alternately, you can have the line count consider dropped lines... 08:22
masak lumi: that sounds even better
moritz_ lumi: using ids is simpler and cleaner on the long run
lumi moritz_: I agree
masak moritz_: you're right
Aankhen`` Why would you put two empty `a` elements next to each other? 08:23
<span id="foo"></span><span id="bar"></span>
`a` elements aren't the only ones that can have IDs. :-) 08:24
lumi You've solved the problem of <a id="foo"/> being too long, at least :P
Aankhen`` grins.
moritz_ Aankhen``: it would look like this: <tr id="foo"><td><span id="bar"></span> :(
Aankhen`` moritz_: Yup.
moritz_ Aankhen``: then it's shorter to just put it inside the <td>
Aankhen`` moritz_: Why's that a problem?
Er, what do you mean? 08:25
moritz_ <tr id="foo"><td id="bar">
Aankhen`` Ah, yes, certainly.
moritz_ shorter, and doesn't produce a warning ;)
lumi What warning?
moritz_ lumi: the w3c validator used to warn on empty elements
or was it just empty block elements? 08:26
lumi Meanie
Aankhen`` What are these IDs for?
moritz_ Aankhen``: backlog ;)
Aankhen`` Oh, already did, but I missed the bit about "if lines are marked as spam".
I'm not sure how you would solve backward compatibility by doing this. 08:27
Could you give an example of the output you want?
moritz_ Aankhen``: wait a second... I just implemented what I want (problem solved), and I'll commit it in a second ;) 08:28
Aankhen`` OK. 08:32
pugs_svnbot r17165 | moritz++ | [irclog] now use DB IDs as line anchors, old line number anchors are still
r17165 | moritz++ | present in order not to break old links
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17165
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17165 - Pugs - Trac
Aankhen`` Ah. 08:33
moritz_ next thing to do ist to enable fulltext search ;) 08:34
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agentzh yay! 08:36
fulltext_search++
it's the very feature that i most want :)
moritz_ agentzh: it's estimated 5 commits away ;) 08:37
agentzh moritz_++
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meppl good night 08:41
agentzh good afternoon :) 08:42
meppl ;)
pugs_svnbot r17166 | moritz++ | [irclog] fulltext search, finally ;) 08:44
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17166
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17166 - Pugs - Trac
moritz_ bug reports are welcome; I'll be off for breakfeast, but I'll backlog ;)
agentzh nice.
moritz: I can't search UTF-8 chars in the textbox...for example, "牛人" 08:47
masak agentzh: "cow man" ? 08:50
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masak agentzh: or "cattle person" ? 08:50
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agentzh cow person 08:57
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agentzh masak: see moritz.faui2k3.org/irclog/out.pl?ch...08#id_l203 09:01
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agentzh my sister invites me to dinner & 09:03
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masak the logs don't render properly for me now... 09:05
for some reason
I don't see the text
I'm running Mac/Firefox
it works in Safari 09:06
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moritz_ agentzh: consider it noted ;) 09:13
masak: uhm... where? in the logs, or search?
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masak moritz_: the logs 09:18
just correctly sized table cells with nothing in them 09:19
feels like a CSS bug
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moritz_ masak: are the times and nicks displayed? 09:20
masak: can you provide me with a screenshot please?
masak nothing is displayed, just the cells themselves 09:21
screenshot underway
moritz_ waits 09:22
masak masak.org/carl/empty_cells.png 09:23
moritz_ weird stuff 09:29
masak: if you type Ctrl+I in firefox, what 'Type' is displayed? 09:30
application/xhtml+xml?
masak yes
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moritz_ I'm a bit lost with this one... it's valid xhtml and css, and rendered correctly in firefox and epiphany under linux 09:47
Aankhen`` Wassa problemsh?
moritz_ Aankhen``: masak.org/carl/empty_cells.png (firfox on mac)
moritz_ hates browsers intently 09:48
konqueror renders it well
Aankhen`` Hmm, strange. 09:49
moritz_ opera makes the table stop where the image starts
Aankhen`` Yeesh, even IE renders it alright.
masak: Do you have any user stylesheets or scripts turned on? 09:50
masak Aankhen``: nope, very vanilla Fx
Aankhen`` I see.
Firefox 2.0.0.5? 09:51
masak yes
I just ditched Safari for Fx, because the former crashed more than I liked
pugs_svnbot r17167 | moritz++ | [irclog] added clear:both to the table to fix a
r17167 | moritz++ | float issue with opera 9.22 on Debian
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17167
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17167 - Pugs - Trac
Aankhen`` Weird stuff. Does anything show up if you scroll to the right or to the bottom?
masak only things outside the table 09:52
Aankhen`` Tried reloading the page?
moritz_ masak: reload now, I changed the header...
masak nope.. whoops there it was
for a while the text was there 09:53
it disappears after approx 2/3 of loading the page
Aankhen`` With the CSS and everything, or just unstyled content?
masak not sure I understand the question
you see the URL on the screenshot 09:54
that's what I'm looking at -- no modifications locally
Aankhen`` When the text briefly appears, is it styled properly, or is it unstyled?
masak it looks good
I'll look again
yep, CSS -- nick colors and everything
moritz_ masak: try reloading with Ctrl+Shift+R
masak moritz_: ok
moritz_ that reloads the style sheets as well 09:55
masak same thing
Aankhen`` moritz_: Could you remove the overflow: hidden; on the table temporarily?
(I don't think it's the cause, but it's worth trying.)
masak: Any extensions installed?
moritz_ Aankhen``: done
Aankhen`` masak: Try Ctrl + Shift + R again. 09:56
moritz_ masak: try again, please ;)
masak tries again
moritz_ Aankhen``: is the overflow:hidden there to prevent horizontal scrolling?
masak moritz_: everything works now 09:57
Aankhen`` moritz_: Yes. I didn't add it though.
moritz_ Aankhen``: it should be superflous now, because text is padded with spaces if it's too long, so I'll remove it 09:58
Aankhen`` OK.
moritz_ done 09:59
pugs_svnbot r17168 | moritz++ | [irclog] remove overlow:hidden for the table to fix rendering issue
r17168 | moritz++ | with firefox on mac
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17168
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17168 - Pugs - Trac
masak moritz_++
moritz_ that's clearly a browser bug
firefox-- 10:00
@karma firefox
lambdabot firefox has a karma of -1
moritz_ @karma IE
lambdabot IE has a karma of 0
moritz_ IE-- # consistency
masak IE-- # no way it's not worse than firefox 10:01
moritz_ masak: you meant "not better"?
masak no
moritz_ doesn't understand it then 10:02
masak maybe you parsed it with an invisible comma inserted
I meant "there's no way that it's not worse than firefox"
moritz_ ah, ok
sometimes the subtilities of English are hard to grasp ;) 10:03
masak I need to not not avoid writing less double negations
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moritz_ return unless not ! $_ !~ m/.../; 10:04
afk & 10:08
Aankhen`` !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
devbot6 Aankhen``: Error: "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1" is not a valid command. 10:09
Aankhen`` devbot6: Quiet, you.
devbot6 Aankhen``: Error: "Quiet," is not a valid command.
Aankhen`` Too bad.
masak *lol*
Aankhen`` devbot6: Have you considered therapy?
devbot6 Aankhen``: Error: "Have" is not a valid command.
Aankhen`` devbot6: I see. And how do you feel about that?
devbot6 Aankhen``: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
masak devbot6: command
devbot6 masak: Error: "command" is not a valid command.
Aankhen`` stops.
masak devbot6: valid_command
devbot6 masak: Error: "valid_command" is not a valid command. 10:10
Aankhen`` Wait, one more.
devbot6: a valid command
devbot6 Aankhen``: Error: "a" is not a valid command.
Aankhen`` Shame on you for lying.
masak devbot6: help 10:15
devbot6 masak: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
masak devbot6: list
devbot6 masak: Admin, Channel, Config, Misc, Owner, RSS, Services, TracBot, User, and Web
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pugs_svnbot r17169 | agentz++ | PCR - updated MANIFEST 15:40
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17169
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17169 - Pugs - Trac
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pugs_svnbot r17170 | agentz++ | PCR - CPAN release 0.26 15:53
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17170
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17170 - Pugs - Trac
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pugs_svnbot r17171 | agentz++ | PCR - fixed the version number
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17171
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17171 - Pugs - Trac
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Teratogen eval: ["001".."005"] 16:26
buubot Teratogen: ['001','002','003','004','005']
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pugs_svnbot r17172 | moritz++ | [PCR]: added short description of ratchet and sigspace in README 18:12
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17172
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17172 - Pugs - Trac
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moritz_ ?eval '001' .. '005' 18:15
evalbot_r pugs: user error (*** *** Can't modify constant item: VUndef␤ at <prelude> line 782, column 9-46␤ <prelude> line 782, column 9-46␤ at)␤
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moritz_ pugs -e "('001' .. '005').perl.say" 18:16
("001", "002", "003", "004", "005")
so it's clearly evalbot_r that's borked :(
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agentzh when :pos(StrPos) and :continue are specified simultaneously for a p6 regex, which one takes the precedence? 18:19
moritz_ without knowing: probably :pos(StrPos) 18:21
usually :continue is given at compile time, right?
and :pos is rather used when applying the regex
or do I understand that wrongly? 18:22
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agentzh moritz_: in PCR's terms, :continue can be applied at runtime :( 18:28
moritz_ agentzh: aye, but it is less likely, isn't it? 18:29
agentzh moritz_: *nod*
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moritz_ agentzh: I think it's an error if both are applied at the same time... 18:29
agentzh moritz_: good point :)
moritz_ agentzh: and if they aren't applied at the same time, the latter takes precedence 18:30
agentzh the latter == :continue ?
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moritz_ no, the one applied later 18:32
rindolf Hi all.
moritz_ so if you compile with :foo and match with :bar, :bar should take precedence over :foo
hi rindolf ;)
agentzh: but if you compile with :foo :bar, and foo and bar conflict, it's an error
agentzh: or if you match with both of them explicitly 18:33
agentzh moritz_: okay
rindolf Hi moritz_
moritz_: what's up?
moritz_ rindolf: I've been hacking the irclogs lately, today I added fulltext search ;)
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moritz_ rindolf: next thing on my agenda is perhaps adding context to the search results, or perhaps writing a kp6 homepage 18:34
agentzh moritz_: what will the kp6 homepage look like? ;)
moritz_ rindolf: how are you? haven't seen you for a while
agentzh: I don't know yet... do you have any proposals? 18:35
agentzh moritz_: maybe an online demo?
hehe
rindolf moritz_: I'm trying to make sense of src/Pugs/Prim/List.hs
And implement first
moritz_ agentzh: it could either be a fairly ministical thingy, or I could copy index.html from www.pugscode.org and take that layout 18:36
agentzh or a set of documentation for kp6?
rindolf moritz_: I'm fine. Been a bit lethargic lately.
moritz_ agentzh: no, the plan is to have something linkable when somebody blogs about kp6, or asks "I've never heard of that, what the hell is this?"
rindolf I don't feel like doing anything.
agentzh moritz_: okay
moritz_ agentzh: when I'm feeling lucky I might add a syntax hilighted source tree ;) 18:37
agentzh moritz_: wow... 18:38
moritz_: highlight the source tree of kp6?
diakopter tries to fix evalbot
moritz_ agentzh: why not? we have Text::VimColor, and vim has syntax hilighting of every relevant language
agentzh moritz_: fair enough :) 18:39
moritz_ agentzh: including p6, p5 and the target languages (PIR, ...)
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agentzh cool 18:39
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diakopter evalbot recompiles itself... 18:42
er, its pugs
pasteling "rindolf" at 88.152.16.170 pasted "Can anyone explain this? src/Pugs/Prim/List.hs" (11 lines, 365B) at sial.org/pbot/26532
agentzh moritz_: which .t file did you mention that hang due to recent PCR changes? 18:43
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agentzh moritz_: sorry, i can't remember that... 18:43
moritz_ agentzh: wait a sec... 18:44
agentzh k
t/xx-uncategorized/decode-utf-chunks.t?
pasteling "evalbot_r" at 193.200.132.135 pasted "Pugs build failure" (305 lines, 17.1K) at sial.org/pbot/26533
diakopter grr
agentzh it's not very likely...
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moritz_ agentzh: it was t/builtins/strings/subst.t, but I can't reproduce it anymore 18:45
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agentzh moritz_: funny 18:45
moritz_ but test 7 dies with: 18:46
*** Cannot parse regex: l
*** Error: Error: Error in rule: unknown parameter 'g' at /home/moritz/pugs/perl5/Pugs-Compiler-Rule/lib/Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm line 37
diakopter still tries to fix evalbot (and its autobuilds)
agentzh moritz_: the only .t file killed by auto-smoke is t/xx-uncategorized/decode-utf-chunks.t according to the cron report
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agentzh moritz_: looking 18:46
:g is no longer a valid p6 regex modifier, right? 18:47
i think it's now renamed to :continue or something
Juerd IIRC it's still :g 18:48
moritz_ m:g:i/\s* (\w*) \s* ,?/; is an example in S05
agentzh so the error message given by HsBridge is something i'd expect.
Juerd S05 still mentions :g
agentzh Juerd: oh
moritz_ :g for :global
Juerd I hadn't seen :b before. I like that! 18:49
(And want it in Perl 5, right now!) :)
agentzh hehe
Juerd What I do now, is I unidecode first.
Works equally well so far.
agentzh i can't see the difference between :g and :c
could anyone explain that for me? 18:50
Juerd agentzh: m:c/.../ is like p5's /\G.../
Or probably more like /\G .*? .../
x
That is, it doesn't start at the beginning, if the subject already has a .pos 18:51
agentzh isn't it the same behavior of :g?
Juerd No
agentzh why? 18:52
Juerd Actually, I think S05 is inconsistent so far :) 18:53
agentzh ah
Juerd Because :g/:global isn't described, just listed.
agentzh *nod*
PCR currently doesn't handle :global at all
Juerd It's used and listed, but not explained. 18:54
agentzh so there's no surprise the HsBridge complains about that.
Juerd Anyway, it feels to me like :g is like list /g, and :c is like scalar /g
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agentzh Juerd: understood 18:54
TimToady?
Juerd TimToady: Please explain to us the difference between :g and :c -- :g is not explained in S05 18:55
agentzh hehe
Juerd gmta
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agentzh heh, he's not here right now 18:56
it seems
or a p6l mail is more appropriate :) 18:57
pugs_svnbot r17173 | agentz++ | [PCR] 19:03
r17173 | agentz++ | * removed t/emitter/00-ratchet.t
r17173 | agentz++ | * renamed t/emitter/00-basic.t to 00-ratchet.t
r17173 | agentz++ | * fixed the :p and :continue logic a bit (but it's still
r17173 | agentz++ | not quite right)
r17173 | agentz++ | * updated Rule.pmc using the latest emitter
r17174 | moritz++ | added a kp6 homepage, available from www.pugscode.org/kp6.html
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17174
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17174 - Pugs - Trac
moritz_ Juerd: will documents in docs/feather/pugscode.org/ automatically be available via http? 19:04
Juerd moritz_: In theory, yes :) 19:05
moritz_ Juerd: in practice, theory is overrated ;)
Juerd feather.perl6.nl/README
agentzh moritz_: i think so. 19:06
moritz_ Juerd: thanks
agentzh hmm, :g should reset :pos if the match fail while :c should never reset :pos...does it sound right? 19:08
s/:pos/.pos/g 19:09
Juerd You mean s:g/\:pos/.pos/ ;) 19:10
agentzh hehe, i was using p5 regex syntax :)
Juerd I think this is one of the very few regexes that actually looks *worse* in P6 :)
agentzh hmm, maybe s:g/ ':pos' / .pos / ? 19:11
g'night all & 19:14
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diakopter hum; new svk broke evalbot... fixing. 19:49
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pugs_svnbot r17175 | moritz++ | [pugscode.org] s/\&/;/ in URLs (to avoid clashes with HTML entities) 20:15
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17175
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17175 - Pugs - Trac
avar moritz_: you can use &amp; too 20:27
Juerd ; is nicer
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moritz_ avar: I know ;) 20:29
avar: but ; is 4 chars shorter ;)
(and less error prone, actually)
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