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Set by diakopter on 11 July 2007.
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pugs_svnbot r17406 | lwall++ | [metholate] switch to using $/ for current in-flight match 00:43
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17406
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17406 - Pugs - Trac
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diakopter and perl6 loses its cents 02:43
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diakopter er, no. TimToady: what's the distinction between dollar-cents and dollar-backslash 02:49
<sigh> dollar-slash. 02:50
pugs_svnbot r17407 | rhr++ | [STD] fill out is_type a little 02:53
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17407
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17407 - Pugs - Trac
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TimToady $/ is the current match, though it still doesn't actually work right for accessing its contents, but will eventually. $¢ is basically just $/.to 03:33
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pugs_svnbot r17408 | rhr++ | [STD] all the typenames I could find in S02 03:47
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17408
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17408 - Pugs - Trac
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TimToady mostly is_type just wants to see if there's a package of that name in ::*, I suspect. 03:49
(or in the current namespace) 03:50
rhr how does one do that? 03:52
TimToady it's just a SMOHP... 03:57
rhr HP? 03:58
TimToady Haskell Programming
I suppose you could eval"$name" and see if it complains about barewords
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TimToady though presumably that's just depending on whatever pugs's idea of is_type is... 03:59
rhr wouldn't that find subs etc. also? 04:00
TimToady well, you'd have to look at the return type, I suppose.
but it'd certainly be better if pugs actually implemented symbol tables as user-accessible hashes... 04:01
maybe there's a way to get at the info
I just know GLOBAL::{$name} doesn't work yet
rhr ah, I thought there was supposed to be some kind of hash... 04:02
should is_type handle things like Int|Str? 04:03
TimToady probably not
that's just a constraint, not a real type 04:04
is_type is really for named types
rhr what about e.g. unit23? will all of those be pregenerated in GLOBAL::? 04:05
TimToady unit23?
oh, uint
rhr yes, sorry 04:06
TimToady um, some will likely be pregenerated, I suppose
but probably not uint23
rhr but it's supposed to take any integer there, right?
diakopter heh 04:07
TimToady we only guarantee powers of two
diakopter (sorry) just imagining really large integers
TimToady and only insofar as "supported" by the architecture, for some def or other
rhr ok. I'll leave the current implementation in place for now, and add a commented-out GLOBAL:: impl awaiting haskell magic 04:09
TimToady some of this may straighten itself out eventually when we get MO in pugs 04:10
we've hardwired some unicode stuff too, which is fine for now
but we do need to check for user-defined types there at some point 04:11
rhr right, but that would have to go in the "action" part of STD, no? 04:12
which doesn't exist yet
TimToady *nod*
except insofar as we're currently assuming pugs is good enough, whether it is or ain't. :) 04:13
rhr :) 04:14
TimToady next I need to write something that runs inside parens and rules that runs down the .prior links and builds a real match object, somehow 04:15
pugs_svnbot r17409 | rhr++ | [STD] is_type should be a little different in the future
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17409
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17409 - Pugs - Trac
TimToady but pugs is not friendly toward people who want user-defined Match or Capture objects, sigh
for now about all I can get is $<foo> and $<0> out of a Hash object 04:16
rhr did you notice that at some point parsing 42+1 began failing with 'pugs: unexpected node: <Scalar:0x2b59c57e9348>'? Not sure what the problem is or when it stopped working. 04:17
TimToady I broke it when I switched to $/ 04:18
needs fixin
rhr ok
TimToady but it seemed obvious to me that $/ needed to be the real in-flight transactional object
or we were going to be doing your copy-in-copy-out trick all over 04:19
rhr yes, that makes sense. afk a few mins &
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rhr re: hardwired, I should get cracking on the unicode stuff again one of these days... 04:31
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pmurias why does capture.t use &foo.callwith(|$capture) instead of foo(|$capture) 07:15
?
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pugs_svnbot r17410 | pmurias++ | kp6: 08:04
r17410 | pmurias++ | keys,values implemented in perl6
r17410 | pmurias++ | testing join and map
r17410 | pmurias++ | do {} around Bind
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17410
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17410 - Pugs - Trac
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poletti sorry, just testing moritz_'s logger: www.polettix.it/ciao, link with comma 08:46
laniz_ is his code somewhere? 08:47
poletti don't know about the code, but the log is here: moritz.faui2k3.org/irclog/out.pl?channel=perl6
lambdabot Title: IRC log for #perl6, 2007-08-24
wolverian hm the vertical alignment is still off 08:48
the code is in pugs repo I think
poletti I was only ensuring that the trailing comma was kept in the auto-linkified uri
laniz_ cool
wolverian moritz.faui2k3.org/en/ilbot
lambdabot Title: ilbot - Irc log bot in Perl 08:49
wolverian it uses Net::IRC, though, so someone please port it to PoCoIRC :)
moritz_, by the way, moritz.faui2k3.org/en/ilbot claims to be xhtml valid, but is not. 08:50
lambdabot Title: ilbot - Irc log bot in Perl
laniz_ thanks wolverian!
maybe silly to ask, but that code wont do its magic with Perl 5.8, right? 08:51
wolverian hmm? it's perl5 code afaik 08:52
laniz_ then its a perfect example to learn from :D 08:53
laniz_ runs away with the code being all happy
wolverian except it uses Net::IRC .. 08:54
laniz_ thats why its great to learn from for me. POE is too complex for a start
wolverian well, sure, just be aware that Net::IRC is a buggy piece fo crap :) 08:55
laniz_ after all the decades of its existence??
wolverian quite. 08:56
11:56 purl : net::irc is at www.funkplanet.com/irc/ or always good for a laugh or a scare, depending on if you're reading the comments or the code (= or see also POE::Component::IRC or not supported any more and dennis tells people to use PCI. or an abomination and a crime against nature.
purl knows best :)
but, yes, POE needs some headwrapping around to make sense. 08:57
laniz_ smiles
wolverian just remember it's a simple state machine.
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laniz_ seems a bit similar than DBD::mysql and DBIx::Mysql 09:04
wolverian hm?
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laniz_ DBIx::Mysql might be much better technically, but its too complex for a beginner 09:04
wolverian I don't think that exists
laniz_ what do you mean? 09:05
wolverian I don't see DBIx::Mysql on CPAN
laniz_ yeah, the full name is DBIx-Mysql-InformationSchema or so 09:07
wolverian oh, okay.
pmurias DBIx-Mysql-InformationSchema seems be a bit diffrent thing then DBD::mysql 09:10
laniz_ yeah, i meant more the DBIx in general 09:12
still a beginner as you can see :)
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pmurias wolverian: www.funkplanet.com/irc/ is a none-working adress 09:24
s/none-working/non-working/ 09:25
wolverian pmurias, quite.
pmurias, fixed, thanks. 09:28
(now it says "Net::IRC is not at http:/..." :)
pmurias ;) 09:34
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pmurias it's a bit unfortunate that if i took part in both the parrot and kp6 hackathons i would miss most of the talks :( 09:36
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pmurias at YAPC::Europe 09:37
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pmurias i'll probably take part in both anyway ;) 09:40
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fglock pmurias: re talks, i feel like that too 10:59
pugs_svnbot r17411 | fglock++ | [kp6] touch Perl6/*.pm and recompile
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17411
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17411 - Pugs - Trac
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fglock is Signature.arity a junction, if you have optional arguments? 11:04
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pmurias fglock: hi 11:19
fglock hi!
pugs_svnbot r17412 | fglock++ | [kp6] Signature.arity 11:20
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17412
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17412 - Pugs - Trac
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pmurias is mp6 declared frozen, or is it ok to add an simplified <after> support 11:24
?
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fglock it's a junction of frozen and open 11:25
it's ok :)
pmurias but not encouraged ;) 11:28
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pmurias why does mp6 match literals a char at a time? 11:34
how do i recompile a file in mp6? 11:35
it emitts 'literal' ok, but splits literal into 7 seperate chars 11:40
fglock re char at a time, it didn't make much difference when benchmarking 11:48
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fglock for recompiling, there is util/build-perl5.sh 11:50
if all goes well, you can move lib5-new to lib5 11:51
agentzh heh, there's always version-control :)
fglock then recompile again, in order to check that it bootstraps
agentzh fglock: sorry if i'm interrupting...but out of curiosity, are you going to run kp6 against the pugs test suite? 11:52
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Shillo Hi all 11:52
agentzh hi, Shillo
Shillo Oh. Hiya! 11:55
Glad to see -somebody- awake. :)
pmurias agentzh: there are some syntax issues blocking it 11:56
kp6 runs only t/01-sanity/01-tap.t unmodified 11:57
rindolf Hi Shillo
Shillo: it's 15:00 here.
pmurias but i for one would love to use the pugs test suit 11:58
fglock agentzh: re test suite, yes, 12:01
agentzh pmurias, fglock: thanks for the answers :)
fglock but kp6 still needs some more infrastructure before it can do that
agentzh okay 12:02
fglock: is kp6 mature enough to replace PCR?
agentzh is looking for ways to let himself hack on kp6 and related stuff in $work...
fglock hmm - it could
kp6-perl5rx is more powerful than PCR 12:03
agentzh great
fglock but it's not an easy task...
agentzh hehe, gathered so ;)
fglock i'm using v6.pm at work 12:04
agentzh wants a lua/c++ backend for mp6/kp6.
performance is very important here...v6.pm is just not good enough to let my $boss happy ;) 12:05
fglock agentzh: nferraz wants a lua backend too - are you going to the hackathon?
Shillo rindolf: It's 2pm here, and I'm at work. :)
agentzh fglock: i'm afraid not...but i'd love to help ;)
Shillo So, few people on IRC, as Europe works while US still sleeps. 12:06
fglock if you need performance, the shortest path would be to port perl5rx back to PCR
instead of waiting for kp6 to get faster
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agentzh fglock: okay, will take a closer look at perl5rx :) 12:07
fglock let me find an example
agentzh k 12:08
pmurias agentzh: are you worried about regex speed or general speed
agentzh pmurias: the latter
fglock agentzh: this is an example of kp6-perl5rx - it should print a Match dump of the result 12:10
Shillo Heh, parrot backend would actually be a good start.
fglock perl kp6-perl5.pl --perl5rx < examples/token-test-recurse.pl | perl -Ilib5regex -Ilib5
agentzh fglock: thanks :)
Shillo: parrot backend == moving target
Shillo: == pain :)
fglock agentzh: you can pipe the compiled code through perltidy, to see the generated perl5 regexes 12:11
agentzh okay
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agentzh doing now 12:13
pmurias agentzh: parrot probably isn't as a moving target as it used to be
agentzh pmurias: glad to hear that :)
pmurias i may be wrong 12:14
;)
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fglock this used to work: echo 'class Main { say "hello, World" }' | perl -Ilib5 mp6-parrot.pl | parrot - 12:14
agentzh fglock: i see an AST dump from that command :) 12:16
fglock hey, it still works!
agentzh: it's a Match
agentzh cool
fglock it looks like an AST
agentzh *nod*
hehe
fglock: how are you debugging p6 regexes while hacking? is there any tracing tool? 12:18
fglock agentzh: no, it just works :P
agentzh wow...*impressed*
it always just works?
pmurias no 12:19
fglock just kidding :)
i add print statements
agentzh okay 12:20
i'm going to develop a graphical regex tracer for the current PCR.
pmurias i had to look at the emited code once because mp6 emitted $$<foo> eq 'a' wrongly
agentzh the basic facilities are already there...
pmurias: right, mp6 cannot be bug free (at least for now) :) 12:21
pmurias the compile speed for me with mp6 is slow enough that it's better to think more then to add print statements
agentzh pmurias: *nod* that's a very good reason for a real regex tracer/debugger 12:22
fglock pmurias: there was a reason to have it frozen...
agentzh fglock: i know that reason :) 12:23
pmurias if kp6 obsoletes it will be very nice 12:26
obsoletes mp6
fglock yes, that's the idea 12:27
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sunnavy Hi, everybody. 12:30
I've get some free time about 1 or 2 weeks, and I'd like to do something with P6. 12:32
fglock sunnavy: YAPC::EU would be a great place to be if you have a free week 12:34
sunnavy When I digged into the repository, wow, what a huge repository! I don't know how to start. 12:36
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sunnavy fglock: I'm afraid I can't go there, I don't have enough money anyway. 12:36
agentzh sunnavy: welcome from jifty :)
sunnavy agentzh: ;-) 12:37
fglock sunnavy: t/ and ext/ contain Perl6 code (tests and modules)
agentzh sunnavy: will you write more tests for pugs?
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agentzh sunnavy: or hack on p6 compilers directly? 12:37
sunnavy: or proofread the latest synopses first? 12:38
sunnavy Maybe I should proofread the latest synopses, while write more tests ;-) 12:39
agentzh sunnavy: cool
sunnavy: take a look at perlcabal.org/syn please
lambdabot Title: Official Perl 6 Documentation
agentzh sunnavy: it may help ;) 12:40
sunnavy thanks
agentzh np :)
rindolf Hi agentzh 12:42
agentzh rindolf: hey, rindolf 12:43
rindolf agentzh: what's up?
agentzh rindolf: looking for ways to do p6 hacking at $work 12:44
rindolf agentzh: what's stopping you?
agentzh rindolf: the current p6 compilers are not fast and mature enough. 12:47
rindolf agentzh: do you want to write Perl6 code for production?
agentzh rindolf: it makes it a bit difficult to align them up.
rindolf: aye
rindolf :S 12:48
agentzh rindolf: so i have a plan to write a lua emitter for mp6/kp6.
rindolf: so there may be more chances to get p6 aligned with our C/C++ toolchain used here in yahoo. 12:49
rindolf agentzh: are you working for Yahoo?
agentzh rindolf: yes. 12:50
rindolf agentzh: nice. 12:51
agentzh rindolf: :)
laniz_ i thought Yahoo is doing the dishes for Google now. they still have developers? :P
agentzh laniz_: ahhh...that is offensive...
laniz_ agentzh: only lame humor of a non-developer :) 12:52
pugs_svnbot r17413 | fglock++ | [kp6] fixed Sub signature (no 'self')
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17413
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17413 - Pugs - Trac
fglock lunch & 12:54
pmurias any idea why $ok &&= eval { runtests("../../t/01-sanity.t") } gives 12:58
../../t/01-sanity....../../t/01-sanity.t does not exist 12:59
stupid me 13:00
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pugs_svnbot r17414 | fglock++ | [kp6] multi, arity check 14:46
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17414
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pugs_svnbot r17415 | pmurias++ | kp6: 14:48
r17415 | pmurias++ | overelaxed the Grammar to allow ending a statement with a newline
r17415 | pmurias++ | kp6 runs TEST from the main pugs test suit listed in TESTS
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17415
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pugs_svnbot r17416 | fglock++ | [kp6] added Multi test; fails 15:01
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17416
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moritz_ re 15:06
wolverian: re xhtml: thank you, I fixed it 15:09
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laniz_ moritz_: thanks a lot for the very well readable code of your irclog bot! very useful to learn :D 15:31
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moritz_ laniz_: you're welcome ;) 15:33
ilbot2.pl isn't up to date and may have db timeout issues on low traffic channels 15:34
laniz_ covers 3 topics at once that i want to learn :)
moritz_ which ones?
laniz_ irc connectivity, mysql access and templates 15:35
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laniz_ surprising to me was, that DBI tutorials have no real good example that explains how you access certain data that is stored in mysql. and i usually learn by playing with examples 15:38
and projects like blootbot or buubot are too complex to learn from
(if you start as beginner)
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moritz_ actually the CGI code is getting a bit complex as well 15:39
if you download earlier revisions, the CGI code is easier
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laniz_ moritz_: how can i checkout earlier version? :) 15:44
moritz_ svn up -r $revision
laniz_ cool, thanks
moritz_ irc logger will be down for about an hour for server maintaince 15:46
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laniz_ moritz_: hm. the syntax and variations does not work for me 15:47
moritz_ irclogbot_backup takes over, afterwards I'll backport the changes
laniz_: did you do a 'svn co' first? 15:48
laniz_ yeah, but maybe too long ago, hang on
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moritz__ laniz_: an error message might be helpfull 15:49
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moritz__ and I hope you substituted $revision with a real revision number 15:49
laniz_ [17:48:56]: laniz@castle:~/svn : svn up -r 1
Skipped '.'
moritz__ is this the pugs root directory? 15:50
laniz_ yep
fglock pmurias: ping
pmurias: Can't locate KindaPerl6/Grammar/Statements.pm in @INC 15:51
moritz__ laniz_: I'd recommend r16066 as a starting point
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laniz_ oh 15:52
moritz__ r1 is _really_ old, and doesn't contain ilbot at all
laniz_ the svn syntax somehow does not work for me, but its not that important 15:53
moritz__ what does a simple 'svn up' produce? 15:54
laniz_ Skipped '.'
but does not fetch a thing
moritz__ which means that something is wrong with your working copy
laniz_ or is "up" to upload to the repo and i need "down" or something?
moritz__ or you aren't in a svn repo at all
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moritz__ no, "up" is to "update" your local copy 15:55
upload is "commit" or "ci"
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laniz_ well. but if i checkout r17416 before that it cant update a thing, no? 15:55
moritz__ the normal output would be "At revision 17416." 15:56
[particle] svn co svn.pugscode.org/trunk -r 16066 # is that correct? 15:57
moritz__ s/trunk/pugs/
[particle] laniz_: i suggest you create an empty directory for pugs, change to it, and run that (corrected) command 15:58
SamB svn up is short for svn update. as in, you can run the latter and it does the exact same thing.
laniz_ svn co svn.pugscode.org/pugs/misc/irclog/ --> Checked out revision 17416. | then: svn up -r 16066 --> Skipped '.'
moritz__ laniz_: first you have to go into that directory
cd irclog; svn up
cd irclog; svn up -r 16066 15:59
laniz_ oh crap, you said that before. i am sorry
moritz__ no problem
SamB hehe
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laniz_ i thought by "bugs directory" you meant my "~/svn" 15:59
s/bugs/pugs/
now i have it :D 16:00
moritz__ s/bugs/pubs/ # it's friday ;-)
laniz_ nice idea. the weather is great for having a beer outside
moritz__ Aye, there are several very nice "Bieaerten" in town here
which are basically pubs where you sit outside, usally below trees 16:01
laniz_ haha, moosecamel.png so typical Freenode geek :P
moritz__: biergarten! 16:02
moritz__ s/Freenode/perl/ ;-)
laniz_: yes, my terminal ate the 'g'
and Biergaerten is the plural
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laniz_ ah, you have no 􏿽xE4? 16:03
moritz__ I usually have, but since my server is down I use a poorly configured irssi
laniz_ oh
moritz__ and since it'll be back in 1H I don't bother with configuring it
laniz_ oh wait, all this will be recorded... oh no 16:04
moritz__ too late ;-)
laniz_ hides in a hole
moritz__ but don't bother, we're talking nonsese here half the time anyway ;)
laniz_ phew, ok
laniz_ whispers to moritz__ but TimToady is really him, the master himself? 16:05
moritz__ Aye, he is
laniz_ wow :D
moritz__ and a real human as well ;) (or so I believe ;)
laniz_ i once had the chance to speak to Telsa Cox for a while. very nice person :D 16:06
a pitty she does not write in her blog anymore 16:07
moritz__ only knows Alan Cox (but not personally)
laniz_ she is his wife :)
also a geek and a true hippie
moritz__ what a coincidence ;-)
laniz_ yeah :D
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pugs_svnbot r17417 | fglock++ | [kp6] added a Grammar::Statements placeholder - waiting for pmurias++ version 16:15
r17418 | moritz++ | [irclog]
r17418 | moritz++ | * updated POE-based logger to "new"est DB layout,
r17418 | moritz++ | * fixed db timeout issues
r17418 | moritz++ | (both untested)
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17418
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moritz__ laniz_: are you from Germany as well? 16:16
or Austria perhaps? *g*
laniz_: if so, there is #perl6de on irc.perl.org as well ;) 16:20
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pugs_svnbot r17419 | fglock++ | [kp6] emitter: s/undef/$::Undef/ 16:37
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17419
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pugs_svnbot r17420 | lwall++ | [metholate] remember only the prior nodes that were bound to a name or positional 16:42
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17420
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moritz_ irc logs (and the real moritz_) are back ;) 16:49
sunnavy cool :-) 16:51
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pugs_svnbot r17421 | fglock++ | [kp6] minor fixes in Array, Multi 17:06
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17421
moritz_ #kp6 multi sub s($foo, $bar) { say $foo, '|', $bar }; s('a', 'b') 17:09
exp_evalbot r17421: OUTPUT[DISPATCH: calling APPLY KindaPerl6::Runtime::Perl5::DispatchSugar::Dispatch=HASH(0x82d7cc4) on invalid object:$VAR1 = {};␤␤ at lib5/KindaPerl6/Runtime/Perl5/MOP.pm line 29␤ main::DISPATCH('undef', 'APPLY', 'KindaPerl6::Runtime::Perl5::DispatchSugar::Dispatch=HASH(0x82...') called at
..- line 3␤]
moritz_ #kp6 sub s($foo, $bar) { say $foo, '|', $bar }; s('a', 'b')
exp_evalbot r17421: OUTPUT[a|b␤]
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moritz_ #kp6 sub s($foo, $bar) { say $foo, '|', $bar }; s('a') 17:11
exp_evalbot r17421: OUTPUT[a|␤]
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fglock moritz_: i'm still implementing! 17:16
:)
moritz_ #kp6 sub s(Int $foo) { say $foo; }; s(2); 17:22
exp_evalbot r17421: OUTPUT[Can't modify non-lvalue subroutine call in scalar assignment at - line 3, near ")}"␤Execution of - aborted due to compilation errors.␤]
moritz_ is it the type system that is NYI, or Int?
it seems like kp6 parses it correctly, but emits non-functional p5 17:23
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pugs_svnbot r17422 | fglock++ | [kp6] Multi - more fixes, doesn't work yet 17:25
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17422
pmurias fglock: sorry for not svk adding Statements.pm
fglock moritz_: signatures are not finished
signatures, captures, and multis are interlocked 17:26
pmurias: no problem :)
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TimToady hmm, "return" is the wrong verb to use for a reduce, since a rule *must* return the current parse state in addition to anything the user returns 17:35
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gwall hey, could someone maybe help me out with a really weird bug in pugs? 17:36
php.pastebin.com/f7d45c2bc
TimToady spam 17:37
gwall Hey Larry ;)
ruoso damn bots... 17:38
pugs_svnbot r17423 | fglock++ | [kp6] problem with t/kp6/36-multi.t - doesn't enter the for loop
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17423
ruoso this one is kind of smart
gwall I'm not a bot, you jerk. 17:39
17:39 gwall is now known as deraadt
deraadt # 17:40
It was in my freshman year I lost my virginity. I was always the dork in high
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school, spending more time writing perl than going out to parties and doing
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drugs. Freshman year taught me otherwise though, and my teacher was Geneva
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Wall, known simply as "the sex demon," but most importantly the daughter of my
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idol, Larry Wall.
ruoso shit... can soneone kick this shit...
deraadt I was sitting in my intro to Psychology class (we're all required to take some
arts courses, unfortunately) when she strode in. She was a bit short and dumpy,
and looked sorta' emo. I immediately recognized her, however, because of the
amount of time I spent browsing the Wall family home page. I knew immediately
that I wanted to get to know her, perhaps so I could just say I knew Larry's
daughter. I edged towards her in the lecture hall, hoping to not seem too
[particle] diakopter: ping
deraadt creepy. I sat down three seats away from her.
As the prof droned on about something, I felt a tap at my shoulder. I turned to 17:41
see who it was, and sure enough it was my future sex partner.
"Hi, I see you're reading my father's book!" I looked down and saw my copy of
the Perl 5 book sitting in my lap. I turned bright red and quickly moved to
cover it up. "Don't worry, I think it's cool. Let's chat after class." She
turned back to reading whatever it was she had open on her lap. I think it was
a bible (after all, the Wall family was very religious).
After class I waited at the exit to the lecture hall for her to come out. As
she left the lecture hall, bible under one arm, backpack slung lazily over one
shoulder I offered a warm handshake to her and finally uttered my first words
to the stumpy Geneva Wall.
"Hi, my name is Theo, it is an honor to meet you." She giggled and accepted
my handshake.
"Nice to meet you Theo, do you have any classes next?"
"Nope, I was just going to do some oclets and head back to my dorm room." She
seemed to tilt her head quizzically at the term oclet, but quickly shook it off.
"Well, why don't you come back to my dorm room and we can get to know eachother?"
moritz_ diakopter: could you please kick the spammer? 17:42
deraadt she said, with a slightly coy wink. Excited to be hanging out with the daughter
ruoso obra, ping?
deraadt of the legendary Larry Wall, I quickly accepted and followed her back to the
residences.
After a few minutes of walking in a somewhat awkward silence, we arrived at her
dorm room. "Come on in!" she urged as she unlocked the door and opened it. I
walked into the dorm room and had to blink a few times before my eyes could
adjust to the light. She closed the door quickly behind her and set her books
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deraadt down on the bed. That's when things started getting weird. 17:42
Most girls usually awkwardly would offer a drink, or perhaps just make small-
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deraadt talk. Not Geneva though. Geneva took off her pants, revealing a bright orange 17:42
thong. She probably could tell I was a bit shocked from the look on my face,
but rather than be ashamed and quickly pull some pants on she said, "wanna
17:42 diakopter sets mode: +b *!*@65.99.218.179, deraadt was kicked by diakopter (Autokick! mwahahahah!))
[particle] *shazaam* 17:42
ruoso can someone clean this shit from the irclogger?
diakopter I will
moritz_ is doint that already 17:43
diakopter er, no I won't, since I don't have my admin credentials accessible from here
moritz_ done 17:44
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moritz_ I just hope I didn't actually mark some non-spam ;) 17:44
diakopter heh
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pugs_svnbot r17424 | fglock++ | [kp6] Multi matches on positional count (it's a start) 17:45
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17424
moritz_ just mine and ruoso++ 's notifications
ruoso completely disturbed by that moron... and do hope that doesn't affects anyone life for real... sigh 17:47
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moritz_ didn't even read it 17:48
diakopter keeps /ipkb very handy
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pugs_svnbot r17425 | fglock++ | [kp6] t/kp6/36-multi.t passes 17:51
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17425
ruoso just hate open proxies 17:52
moritz_ $mulit.long_names might be an unfortunate name 17:54
it contains refs to the subs, not their names
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fglock moritz_: i'm not sure if 'long name' in the spec is talking about strings 18:00
pugs_svnbot r17426 | fglock++ | [kp6] Multi - added TODO
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17426
moritz_ fglock: I didn't realize that the term "long name" was mentioned in the spec... I apologize for the fuzz ;) 18:01
fglock moritz_: i mean, it confuses me too
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pugs_svnbot r17427 | fglock++ | [kp6] added a bit more calling-convention code 18:21
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17427
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pugs_svnbot r17428 | fglock++ | [kp6] changed $multi to &multi - I hope this is valid Perl 6 18:30
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17428
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holst will the standard perl6 suite be able to compile the perl6 byte code into standalone executables? 20:21
moritz_ holst: probably into parrot bytecode
holst: full perl 6 will be able to do an eval(), which requires a p6 installation 20:22
holst ok, but standalone in the sense of .pyc in perl and .class in java?
moritz_ holst: but perhaps you can avoid that by not using eval
holst hmm, thats something. 20:23
moritz_ but the term "standard perl6 suite" is rather vague
holst its just ashame that the best thing we got in the year 2007 which compiles native code is ... C
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moritz_ because everything that passes the test suite is "official" and therefore "standard" ;) 20:23
allow me to disagree.. we've got eiffel 20:24
nobody uses that, but for OO programming that's really great
holst hmm, i've heard about it but I think the syntax was too weird for me (never used it)
moritz_ the syntax is quite oposite to perl: rather verbose, virtually no "special" chars 20:29
and very readable
you don't have to know the language to understand an eiffel program... kinda like pascal with "real" OO 20:30
holst I was looking at a lot of programming languages a bit back, I might have it confused with some other languge
thoughtpolice we have haskell! :) 20:31
holst maybe that was the one I was thinking off =D
thoughtpolice is working on the new version of his irc bot 20:32
the first code base was alright
then I realized it was too cumbersome to really work with so I did the natural thing
holst I was looking for a languge 'which is not C++ but efficient and can talk to C'
thoughtpolice rewrite it, which is what I'm doing. :) 20:33
holst and also I wanted it to be efficient to /program in/ not only in execution
thoughtpolice and damn, I need something to blog about for DIP6. once school starts I don't know how much I'll be able to do that. :(
moritz_ holst: well, perl 5 and 6 are not C, and can/will be able to talk to C ;-) 20:34
holst: and so can Eiffel
thoughtpolice haskell can as well. :)
moritz_ Aye
sadly you need a major brain twist for that
thoughtpolice the 6.8 of ghc is looking nice. should be out sometime in the next month, give or take a few.
moritz_: well there's the standard ffi, there's also greencard but I'm not sure how much easier it makes talking to C. 20:35
moritz_ thoughtpolice: re DIP6, are you looking for a topic?
thoughtpolice moritz_: somewhat.
moritz_: if you have any ideas you can have post priviledges on it. i've been thinking about it for a while and more people posting stuff on it would make it much more useful than just I posting could. 20:36
like I said, my last year of high school is starting in ~4 days or so, and when that happens, I'm not sure how much I'll be able to blog (or even code.)
so having someone else in the ring would be really nice. :)
moritz_ thoughtpolice: I won't have too much time either, but I can give it a shot
holst not being able to code and being a student? thats an oxymoron
you will be coding like there is no tomorrow as soon as the exams are closing in =D 20:37
thoughtpolice holst: hah.
moritz_ possible ideas: rules (2), self defined operators...
holst thoughtpolice: anything to avoid studying, you know =D 20:38
moritz_ modules and classes
thoughtpolice moritz_: anything would be appreciated. :) if you want priviledges to post just gimmie an email.
moritz_ thoughtpolice: you can uses these ideas as well ;)
thoughtpolice perl 6 is a community effort, so I figure a part of those people blogging would be beneficial. 20:39
holst moritz_: will perl6 core interpreter still be written in haskell when it hits -std or will it be rewritten in C?
Tene It will be written in Perl 6.
thoughtpolice moritz_: sent. :) 20:40
holst isnt that a moment 22?
thoughtpolice moritz_: if you have any ideas of anybody else who would like to contribute, just ask and I'd be glad to give priviledges. ;>
moritz_ thoughtpolice: ok 20:41
holst: what do you mean? 20:43
holst to implement perl6 in perl6. it would need a perl6 parser, which is itself!
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holst I can see how to compile a C compiler with a compiler written in C is do-able, since it's compiled and not interpreted 20:44
thoughtpolice naturally to be able to do this we already need a sufficient perl 6 implementation, which is what pugs aims to be once it's milestones are finished. :)
moritz_ holst: if perl 6 is compiled to parrot bytecode, it's the same situation as with C 20:45
after all even perl 5 is mostly a compiler 20:46
holst maybe I was really talking about the parrot
Tene holst: perl6 is first being written in Haskell and Parrot and such with the goal of making a good enough perl 6 to write perl 6 in perl 6.
moritz_ holst: parrot is written in C
holst withdraws from * 20:47
Im clearly opening my mouth about things I should not =D
anyways, I was just curious about the current state of perl6 and what this bytecode optimizer etc. backend meant to me as a 'native code' lover 20:48
if I was in my own house I would say that we have too much of this 'byte code' this day 20:49
but I guess there is trends in everything
thoughtpolice byte code isn't necessarily a bad thing. it helps bootstrap to other platforms. if you have some, say, ANSI C interpreter for bytecode, you've already got your implementation a lot of places.
Tene Perhaps we need a cpu that runs parrot natively. ;)
moritz_ Tene: that's a good idea... 20:50
holst like those 'java cpus'
moritz_ Tene: perhaps we can translate the parrot source code to System C to create one ;-)
holst (no they dont exist, /end of concept proof)
thoughtpolice i was thinking recently about a haskell compiler for embedded platforms; byte code would be an optimal choice in that instance.
holst but why not compile into native code with library substitutes for things the native cpu cant handle? 20:51
moritz_ what about a parrot backend for GHC?
thoughtpolice which is something I've thought of since I got my psp. :) haskell on the iphone would definately score a few points as well (although bindings for objective-c would be needed.)
moritz_ holst: I'm not a low level guru, but probably things like JIT-compiling and GC are not easily done in libraries 20:52
holst: and you lose portability
holst the portability is in the compiler
like gcc
anyways, I dont want to drive too far off topic with that =D
moritz_ which means "recompiling for every platform"
topics are totally overrated ;-) 20:53
holst (compiling is not a bad thing)
just look at gentoo =D
thoughtpolice for something like embedded platforms, you're dealing with a lot of potential architectures and binary formats, etc.
if you have some haskell compiler like I was saying, it'd probably just be a lot easier to have some sort of ANSI-C runtime. if you have that, you've already got your implementation a *lot* of places, by only doing the work once. 20:54
moritz_ holst: I'd say that looking at gentoo proves that compiling _is_ a bad thing indeed ;-)
just my 0.02€
my first japh: www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=634962 20:55
holst hehe, you are preaching to the already believing
gentoo is insane 20:56
however, it would be equally insane to use a java backend for all programs in all x86 computers
moritz_ why isn't lambdabot posting the title of my URL?
@seen lambdabot
SamB possibly more insane
lambdabot is seriously ill, apparantly 20:57
I saw a lambdabot2 in #haskell
holst moritz_: will that format my harddrive or something? =D
SamB ... hey ... isn't lambdabot2 in the same process as lambdabot?
moritz_ holst: I don't know what it will do on your maschine, but it left mine healthy ;-) 20:58
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moritz_ time for bed 21:05
g'night
holst nite, thanks for the heads up on perl6
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obra TimToady: ping 21:09
laniz_ moritz_: sleep well :)
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pugs_svnbot r17429 | rhr++ | [Metholated.pm] fix "called at" (maybe) 21:40
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17429
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rhr is the above correct, and should other things like "Commit branch" and "didn't match at" be changed likewise? Or is there something wrong with $¢? 21:46
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TimToady $¢ should have worked there--it's set first thing in that routine. 22:01
and it should be to, not from, at least for forward ops
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rhr until something matches most of $/ (includint $/.to) is undef 22:03
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TimToady $/ should start defined; note that first call is passed MCont.new() now, not 0 22:04
however, .new could init .to to 0, I suppose
s/init/default/ 22:05
rhr I guess it should just use +$¢ there instead of $¢
TimToady but in general .from is the beginning of the *previous* match
rhr oh, ok.
TimToady so would be correct only when prev match was ""
rhr so I guess I'll change all debugging use of $¢ to +$¢, does that sound right? 22:07
TimToady $¢ should always be a StrPos now, so the + should be unnecessary, assuming ~ produces the same answer 22:08
for now, if it's not really an Int, it's a bug
rhr well, it's just undef, which stringifies to "" 22:09
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TimToady then it needs = 0 or // 0 somewhere 22:10
rhr how about my $¢ = +$/.to;?
TimToady again, the + should be unnecessary, and merely covers a bug elsewhere 22:11
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rhr I don't see what you mean. 22:13
TimToady string positions are not integers, in the long run, they're opaque
$/.to should always return a StrPos, and a StrPos should always work anywhere a string position is necessary, without knowing whether it's measured in bytes, chars, or whatever 22:14
rhr so an undef StrPos should stringify to "0"? 22:15
TimToady It's only that pugs assumes all string positions are measured in codepoints that we use ints for now
0 is a convenient but misleading notation for "beginning of the string" 22:16
it's the only number that doesn't care what its units are
rhr I'm confused. The problem is that $¢ starts out undef, so you get messages like "_BRACKET called at\n". I don't see how changing the type of $¢ would fix that... 22:17
TimToady $¢ should not start out undef, it should start out initialized to the beginning of the string
rhr OK, so the problem is that $/ starts out with ("to" => undef) 22:18
TimToady yes
rhr can that only be fixed in pugs? 22:19
and does using +$¢ in the debug messages make sense in the meantime?
TimToady no, and no 22:21
pugs_svnbot r17430 | lwall++ | set proper default on .from and .to
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17430
rhr aha :) 22:22
pugs_svnbot r17431 | lwall++ | change .from back to .to 22:24
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17431
TimToady biab & 22:26
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