pugscode.org/ | nopaste: sial.org/pbot/perl6 | pugs: [~] <m oo se> (or rakudo:, kp6:, smop: etc.) || We do Haskell, too | > reverse . show $ foldl1 (*) [1..4] | irclog: irc.pugscode.org/
Set by TimToady on 25 January 2008.
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cj :) 00:03
pbuetow (:
wolverian holy crap, is v6/v6-KindaPerl/compiled supposed to be in the repo and take 36MB? 00:05
ruoso wolverian, considering it takes more time to compile than to download... 00:06
wolverian oh, sure. :) 00:07
just my hd that's full.. I know, my new laptop is coming in next week. phew.
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meppl good night 00:08
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cj anybody want to fund me to work on p6 on the CLI VM for a year? 00:14
sounds like more fun than generating invalid web pages...
ruoso pugs: class Foo { method a { return "a" } }; role Bar { method a { return "b" } }; my $a = Foo.new(); $a does Bar; role Bar is also { method a { return "c" } }; say $a.a; 00:15
exp_evalbot OUTPUT[*** Unknown syntactic construct: Syn "does" [Var "$a",Val (VType (mkType "Bar"))]␤ at /tmp/Gyy5lKVIoe line 1, column 97-108␤]
ruoso pugs: class Foo { method a { return "a" } }; role Bar { method a { return "b" } }; my $a = Foo.new(); class Foo is also { does Bar }; say $a.a; 00:16
exp_evalbot OUTPUT[a␤]
ruoso pugs: class Foo { method a { return "a" } }; role Bar { method a { return "b" } }; my $a = Foo.new(); class Foo is also { does Bar }; my $b = Foo.new(); say join ',', $a.a, $b.a 00:17
exp_evalbot OUTPUT[a,a␤]
cj what is "P�"? 00:18
\n ?
ruoso cj, you mean, in the OUTPUT line?
you probably want to configure your irc client to use utf8 (if that's the case) 00:19
cj yeah, that
ruoso pugs: class Foo { method a { return "a" } }; role Bar { method b { return "b" } }; my $a = Foo.new(); class Foo is also { does Bar }; my $b = Foo.new(); say join ',', $a.a, $b.a, $a.b, $b.b
exp_evalbot OUTPUT[a,a,b,b␤]
cj I just configured it to use utf-8
cj sets his LOCALE 00:20
ruoso it seems that pugs object composition is not quite right...
TimToady yes, MO was going to be the next big release (6.28) but it never made it 00:21
wolverian cj, ␤ U+2424 "SYMBOL FOR NEWLINE", category: "Control Pictures", utf8 bytes: E2 90 A4
ruoso but what was it supposed to do in the following code?
pugs: class Foo { method a { return "a" } }; role Bar { method b { return "b" } method a { return "c" }; my $a = Foo.new(); class Foo is also { does Bar }; my $b = Foo.new(); say join ',', $a.a, $b.a, $a.b, $b.b 00:22
exp_evalbot OUTPUT[*** ␤ Unexpected end of input␤ expecting operator, ":", "," or "}"␤ at /tmp/3LYfJo4XG3 line 2, column 1␤]
ruoso pugs: class Foo { method a { return "a" } }; role Bar { method b { return "b" } method a { return "c" }}; my $a = Foo.new(); class Foo is also { does Bar }; my $b = Foo.new(); say join ',', $a.a, $b.a, $a.b, $b.b
exp_evalbot OUTPUT[a,a,b,b␤]
ruoso should any of these be "c"?
night &
cj wolverian: strange... what all do I need to set to get irssi to play nice with utf-8 chars? do you know? Setting gnome-terminal's encoding to utf-8 is obviously not enough... 00:23
wolverian cj, it's easiest if your locale is utf8, then everything (including screen and irssi) work automatically. the manual method is doing /set term_charset utf8 and setting screen to utf8 with ^A :utf8 00:24
cj, (but setting the locale requires restarting irssi and screen)
Juerd I've found it necessary to set the locale and restart screen. 00:28
^A:utf8, -U, etc, never worked well for me.
wolverian I haven't actually tried the manual method for some years, since I haven't needed to. 00:29
so you might be right in that it doesn't even work.
of course since you can set the locale per-program, it doesn't make much sense even to do that :)
$ LANG=foo.utf8 screen irssi
but really.. are there any modern distros that ship with non-utf8 locales by default? 00:30
s/ship with/use/
food ->
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wolverian s/->/→ / 00:32
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cj wolverian: do you know an easy way to change a debian testing box to a utf8 locale? 00:33
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pugs_svn r19823 | lwall++ | Remove some fossil () noticed by putter++ 00:35
r19823 | lwall++ | Fix whitespace assertion on statement_control not to accidentally allow fatarrow after newline
TimToady ruoso: no, a class's methods always override a role's methods 00:39
rakudo_svn r25543 | jonathan++ | [rakudo] Generalize 'is' on classes to call trait_auxiliary:is, and implement a multi-sub that accepts a trait that is a class, which applies the inheritance. Now it's all MMD, as it should be. 00:41
wolverian cj, to make your user use utf8 by default, put export LANG=en_US.utf8 (or so) in your appropriate startup file, e.g. .bashrc 00:43
(I'm not sure which one you're supposed to really use. .bash_profile, perhaps?)
pugs_svn r19824 | lwall++ | [STD_extract] answer some of the questions
wolverian cj, to change the system default locale, see dpkg-configure locales, or so. Juerd can help here, probably. 00:44
(I'm used to ubuntu and its gui tools :)
[particle] well, looks like rakudo got the new object model before pugs. who would have predicted that a year ago? 00:45
jnthn [particle]: Erm, the object model in Rakudo has a LONG way to go. 00:46
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cj wolverian, Juerd: this look right? [*] en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 01:06
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cj wolverian: yeah, there are comments at the top of ~/.bash_foo that say which one is the 'login' version and which gets eval'd whenever a new bash starts 01:07
wolverian: I can never remember which is which
okay. going home now. 01:08
wolverian: are you working on any of the various p6 grammars/parsers/emitters? 01:11
Juerd: you, too... I'm building a .deb of the library bits required to do late binding, etc with the CLI 01:12
s/required/used/
TimToady I think .bash_profile is for login, and .bashrc is every time 01:13
Juerd cj: I'm not working on anything perl6 related :(
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wolverian cj, no, I'm not. I only have time to procrastinate.. 01:19
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Juerd CHS addressing is HARD. 01:48
TimToady it's easier than YMD :) 01:52
I shudder thinking about leapbytes... 01:53
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allbery_b modern drives have worse than that, actually. but the on-drive controller hides the ugliness. (all modern CHS is fake) 02:17
nothingmuch why are modern drives worse?
allbery_b spare sectors, potentially different sectors/track in different zones 02:18
nothingmuch oh right, i knew about spare sectors at the very least... what's this about zones though? never heard of that 02:19
allbery_b how close the head is to the outer edge vs. center of the platter 02:20
nothingmuch real CHS required that sectors are really radiant?
allbery_b real CHS was based on the assumption that S was constant for all C, yes 02:21
nothingmuch ouch
allbery_b it may still be, or might not
the drive manufacturers hide the real geometry so they can play whatever games they want to maximize storage (or speed, etc.) 02:22
nothingmuch *nod*
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allbery_b (plug: you should be able to find more details than you ever want to know at www.dssc.ece.cmu.edu/ ) 02:25
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mncharity re r19822 commit message, lol :) 03:02
lambdabot mncharity: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
mncharity spinclad: re debian ruby 1.9, my fuzzy recollection is debian is serving a pre-release copy of 1.9. 03:04
so might check that version >= 1.9.0 2007-12-25 03:06
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mncharity TimToady: re Why am I reinventing cheat/metholate?, hmm... my impression is c/m basically transforms STD into code which can be run on a pugs-level p6 implementation. 03:19
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mncharity STD_extract has the (still work in progress) objective of providing enough information to "hand" implement a p6 parser when you don't have p6, and only a partial regex engine. So it tries / will try to answer questions like 03:21
what do all the code blocks (which need to be translated to p5/ruby/whatever) look like. what are all the rx pattern features used. what are all the subrules used. 03:23
what are all the instances of mumble, so I can metaprogram draft code (ast nodes, or whatever) for them. 03:24
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mncharity That all seemed sufficiently far from the intent of c/m, that it seemed worth spending a day rolling something new, optimized for that exercise specifically. 03:25
what do you think? 03:27
cj mncharity is chatty tonight!
mncharity responding to notes in svn. :) 03:28
hmm, and sounds like I should backlog...
cj TimToady: that sounds right to me, but I won't COMMIT until I read the docs :)
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mncharity spinclad: oh, nm. found the discussion in the backlog. 03:53
ruoso: congrats on progress. bummer about grant. need to print out the grant rejections for later posting on wall to mock the reviews - it's traditional. 03:58
TimToady: I'd like to see some version of STD running against pugs t/. any feel for how near at hand that is? thanks. 04:15
good night all. &
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cathya anyone worked on security 04:40
and integration
ok nevermind offtopic
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pugs_svn r19825 | bloonix++ | kicked use lib /home/... from Linux.pm :-) 08:53
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ruoso TimToady, re: class method overrides role method. Isn't by the role overriding the class' method that "0 but true" works? 11:59
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ruoso TimToady, nevermind... I've found out... it's my example that is a bad one... 12:02
pugs: class Foo { method a { "a" } }; class Bar is Foo; role Baz { method a {"b" } }; my $a = Bar.new(); class Bar is also { does Baz }; my $b = Bar.new(); say join ',', $a.a, $b.a 12:04
exp_evalbot OUTPUT[b,b␤]
ruoso pugs: class Foo { method a { "a" } }; class Bar is Foo; role Baz { method a {"b" } }; class Buz { method a {"c"} }; my $a = Bar.new(); class Bar is also { does Baz };class Bar is also { is Buz }; my $b = Bar.new(); say join ',', $a.a, $b.a 12:10
exp_evalbot OUTPUT[b,b␤]
moritz_ uhm, pugs' OO model isn't all that good ;) 12:11
ruoso moritz_, but I think the last one is right 12:13
becaus I'm adding MI to Bar
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ruoso and the MRO would call Foo's a 12:13
www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/index....ementation 12:14
lambdabot Title: SMOP p6opaque Implementation / Perl 6, tinyurl.com/2z5spt
ruoso moritz_, take a look at the "composition" section in this sketch I'm writing
moritz_ ruoso: I don't know enough about Perl 6 OO (and MRO in general) to really assess that 12:17
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TimToady ruoso: those look correct to me. the does inserts the 'b' method into Bar directly, and all the other .a's are in base classes, so the role wins 16:59
pugs_svn r19826 | moritz++ | [irclog] fixed stupid bug in the logging bot that caused
r19826 | moritz++ | weird and wrong nick names
TimToady that's because "is also" is modifying the class in place, not doing a mixin
if it were a mixin (as in "0 but true") then it would be different 17:00
with a mixin you get a new anonymous class, and then a does in the original class is considered part of the original class, not part of the new anonymous class
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pugs_svn r19827 | moritz++ | [irclog] added a few #parrot specific bots 18:02
moritz_ wonders why the dynamic nick coloring doesn't work for the #parrot logs 18:05
pugs_svn r19828 | moritz++ | [irclog] determine nick colors local to current channel ;) 18:13
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moritz_ the nick coloring predates the "multiple channels" feature ;) 18:15
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Lorn moritz_: hey, can you help me? i forget my password for the commit bit :P 18:27
moritz_ Lorn: just a sec 18:28
damned, commitbit not respondiing
Lorn: sent. If it doesn't work, or doesn't arrive, ping me again 18:30
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cj morning homies 18:45
Tene morning 18:46
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pugs_svn r19829 | lorn++ | commit bit test 19:33
Lorn moritz_: work :) thanks
moritz_ Lorn: you're welcome 19:34
ruoso: Vienna.pm is giving out grants in the "winter of code" project 19:36
ruoso: maybe you could apply for a grant there
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moritz_ @tell unobe I didn't apply your last irclog patch because the problem was cause by caching, not by wrong DB entries. Mail to you hangs at some smtp server :/ 20:04
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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cathyal hi 23:55
just wondering
Tene Yes?
cathyal anyone worked on ircdaemons
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cathyal ..i know ot 23:56
spinclad we have an irclogger
svn.pugscode.org/pugs/misc/irclog 23:58
lambdabot Title: Revision 19829: /misc/irclog

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