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| timotimo | n: say "abc, efg = 123" ~~ /:s [$<key>=[\w+]]+% \, \= $<val>=\S+ / | 00:06 | |
| camelia | niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«｢abc, efg = 123｣ key => ｢abc｣ key => ｢efg｣ val => ｢123｣» | ||
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| Mouq | nqp: my @a; @a[0] := 14; my $b := @a.unshift(57); say($b) | 00:10 | |
| camelia | nqp: OUTPUT«2» | ||
| Mouq | nqp-jvm: my @a; @a[0] := 14; my $b := @a.unshift(57); say($b) | ||
| nqp-moarvm: my @a; @a[0] := 14; my $b := @a.unshift(57); say($b) | |||
| camelia | nqp-jvm: OUTPUT«57» | ||
| nqp-moarvm: OUTPUT«57» | |||
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| TimToady | nr: my @a; @a[0] := 14; my $b := @a.unshift(57); say($b) | 00:21 | |
| camelia | rakudo e9830d, niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«57 14» | ||
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| BenGoldberg | It occurs to me that the evalbot (camelia) is lacking a useful feature: that of running a line of nqp code using multiple different nqp implementations, and grouping together identical outputs, just as it can do with the perl6 implementations. | 02:03 | |
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| Mouq | BenGoldberg: I can change that pretty easily. Do you think (I do) that 'nqp: ...' will do all of them, and 'nqp-p' and 'nqp-parrot' does what 'nqp' used to do? | 02:10 | |
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| dalek | albot: 59a6f8f | Mouq++ | evalbot.pl: Make 'nqp' try all nqp impls, move 'nqp' to 'nqp-parrot' |
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| diakopter | nqp: 1 | ||
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| Mouq | Too bad :) | 02:18 | |
| Unless anyone objects, then I can just redact the commit :p | |||
| evalbot control restart | |||
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| Mouq | *revert | 02:18 | |
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| Mouq | nqp: 1 | 02:19 | |
| diakopter | Mouq: I don't think evalbot control restart does a git pull | ||
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| camelia | ( no output ) | 02:19 | |
| diakopter | Mouq: however, I can trigger it | ||
| Mouq | Oh, no it doesn't. You can if you want, and I'd appreciate it | 02:20 | |
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| Mouq | nqp: 1 | 02:25 | |
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| camelia | ( no output ) | 02:25 | |
| Mouq | diakopter++ BenGoldberg++ | ||
| benabik | Given that in the (near?) future, you'll have to use nqp-{j,p,m} to get a specific nqp, doing the same in camelia makes sense. :-) | 02:26 | |
| Mouq | nqp-p: say(4) | 02:27 | |
| camelia | nqp-parrot: OUTPUT«4» | ||
| Mouq | nqp: say(4) | ||
| camelia | nqp-moarvm, nqp-jvm, nqp-parrot: OUTPUT«4» | ||
| diakopter | nqp: 1 | 02:29 | |
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| lue | benabik: not if you symlink :) | ||
| diakopter | we'll use the distro stuff to do that | 02:30 | |
| benabik | lue: To get a specific version, I said. nqp alone will be unspecified VM, and on IRC happens to mean all three. :-) | ||
| diakopter | if someone would like to fix this so it only rebuilds if git pull fetches new commits, it would be nice: github.com/perl6/evalbot/commit/e2...efd4c6ffdd | 02:31 | |
| benabik | Looks like all of the rebuild scripts could use it? | 02:34 | |
| Busy doing homework, but all you should need a couple invocations of `git rev-parse HEAD`, a variable, and a comparison. | 02:35 | ||
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| Mouq | .oO(Q:irc<nqp: …>'s been lacking a revision file, relatedly) |
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| benabik | p6: say 1 | 02:47 | |
| camelia | rakudo e9830d, niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«1» | ||
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| TimToady | nr: say <A B C D>.permutations | 04:01 | |
| camelia | niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method permutations in type Parcel at /tmp/qUaI9By7Mu line 1 (mainline @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4583 (ANON @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4584 (module-CORE…» | ||
| ..rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«No such method 'permutations' for invocant of type 'Parcel' in block at /tmp/D26NZdsuU0:1» | |||
| Mouq | r: 4.permutations #? | 04:02 | |
| camelia | rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«No such method 'permutations' for invocant of type 'Int' in block at /tmp/mfJwrjJlZ2:1» | ||
| Mouq | r: permutations(4).say #? | ||
| camelia | rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===no ICU lib loaded» | ||
| TimToady | nr: say <A B C D>.combinations | ||
| camelia | niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method combinations in type Parcel at /tmp/aU0JxXKYpM line 1 (mainline @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4583 (ANON @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4584 (module-CORE…» | ||
| ..rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«No such method 'combinations' for invocant of type 'Parcel' in block at /tmp/1OH_lfybZj:1» | |||
| TimToady | nr: say <A B C D>.combinations(4) | ||
| camelia | niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method combinations in type Parcel at /tmp/FiYcJWq2Z2 line 1 (mainline @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4583 (ANON @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4584 (module-CORE…» | 04:03 | |
| ..rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«No such method 'combinations' for invocant of type 'Parcel' in block at /tmp/1TS0K0931y:1» | |||
| Mouq | r: permutations(4,3).say # oh, duh | ||
| camelia | rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===no ICU lib loaded» | ||
| TimToady | o_O | ||
| nr: say [<A B C D>].permutations | 04:04 | ||
| camelia | rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«A B C D A B D C A C B D A C D B A D B C A D C B B A C D B A D C B C A D B C D A B D A C B D C A C A B D C A D B C B A D C B D A C D A B C D B A D A B C D A C B D B A C D B C A D C A B D C B A» | ||
| ..niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method permutations in type Array at /tmp/QPWfnuDiGb line 1 (mainline @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4583 (ANON @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4584 (module-CORE …» | |||
| TimToady | nr: say [<A B C D>].permutations».join | ||
| camelia | niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method permutations in type Array at /tmp/eYzr1swGpx line 1 (mainline @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4583 (ANON @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4584 (module-CORE …» | ||
| ..rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«A B C D A B D C A C B D A C D B A D B C A D C B B A C D B A D C B C A D B C D A B D A C B D C A C A B D C A D B C B A D C B D A C D A B C D B A D A B C D A C B D B A C D B C A D C A B D C B A» | |||
| TimToady | rakudobug | 04:05 | |
| .join should be nodal | |||
| yoleaux | TimToady: Sorry, this command is admin-only. | ||
| TimToady | .go jump in a lake | ||
| r: say [<A B C D>].permutations.perl | 04:06 | ||
| camelia | rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«(("A", "B", "C", "D"), ("A", "B", "D", "C"), ("A", "C", "B", "D"), ("A", "C", "D", "B"), ("A", "D", "B", "C"), ("A", "D", "C", "B"), ("B", "A", "C", "D"), ("B", "A", "D", "C"), ("B", "C", "A", "D"), ("B", "C", "D", "A"), ("B", "D", "A", "C"), ("B", "D", "C", "A…» | ||
| TimToady | r: say [<A B C D>].permutations.perl.lol.perl | ||
| camelia | rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«("((\"A\", \"B\", \"C\", \"D\"), (\"A\", \"B\", \"D\", \"C\"), (\"A\", \"C\", \"B\", \"D\"), (\"A\", \"C\", \"D\", \"B\"), (\"A\", \"D\", \"B\", \"C\"), (\"A\", \"D\", \"C\", \"B\"), (\"B\", \"A\", \"C\", \"D\"), (\"B\", \"A\", \"D\", \"C\"), (\"B\", \"C\", \"A…» | ||
| TimToady | r: say [<A B C D>].permutations.lol.perl | ||
| camelia | rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«LoL.new(ListIter.new())» | ||
| TimToady | r: say [<A B C D>].permutations.lol».join | ||
| camelia | rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«Default constructor for 'ListIter' only takes named arguments in method new at src/gen/CORE.setting:798 in method new at src/gen/CORE.setting:793 in sub hyper at src/gen/CORE.setting:16562 in sub hyper at src/gen/CORE.setting:16518 in method…» | ||
| TimToady | um... | 04:07 | |
| r: say [<A B C D>].permutations.lol.map: *.join | |||
| camelia | rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«ABCDABDCACBDACDBADBCADCBBACDBADCBCADBCDABDACBDCACABDCADBCBADCBDACDABCDBADABCDACBDBACDBCADCABDCBA» | ||
| TimToady | sigh... | ||
| r: say [<A B C D>].permutations.tree.map: *.join | 04:08 | ||
| camelia | rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«ABCD ABDC ACBD ACDB ADBC ADCB BACD BADC BCAD BCDA BDAC BDCA CABD CADB CBAD CBDA CDAB CDBA DABC DACB DBAC DBCA DCAB DCBA» | ||
| TimToady | that should not be the only way to do that... | ||
| Mouq | r: say [<A B C D>].permutations.tree>>.join | 04:09 | |
| camelia | rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«A B C D A B D C A C B D A C D B A D B C A D C B B A C D B A D C B C A D B C D A B D A C B D C A C A B D C A D B C B A D C B D A C D A B C D B A D A B C D A C B D B A C D B C A D C A B D C B A» | ||
| TimToady | descended to the leaves, alas | ||
| methods on lists should be considered nodal | 04:10 | ||
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| lue | nqp: my @a := 5,6; say(nqp::existspos(@a, 2)); | 05:07 | |
| camelia | nqp-jvm: OUTPUT«P6int representation does not implement exists_pos in (/tmp/Cs0gC3rbON:1) in (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:1098) in eval (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:1084) in evalfiles (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:1290) in command_eval (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:1194)…» | ||
| ..nqp-parrot: OUTPUT«exists_keyed() not implemented in class 'Integer'current instr.: '' pc 64 ((file unknown):38321776) (/tmp/T7zOhxARUd:1)» | |||
| ..nqp-moarvm: OUTPUT«This representation (P6int) does not support positional accessframe_name_0» | |||
| lue | nqp: my @a := [5,6]; say(nqp::existspos(@a, 2)); | 05:08 | |
| camelia | nqp-moarvm, nqp-jvm, nqp-parrot: OUTPUT«0» | ||
| lue | nqp: my $a := [5,6]; say(nqp::existspos($a, 2)); | ||
| camelia | nqp-moarvm, nqp-jvm, nqp-parrot: OUTPUT«0» | ||
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| lue | Now I suddenly understand why exactly jnthn uses **0..1 instead of ? in his regexes in most of the slides :D | 05:13 | |
| Blargh. I'm getting a segfault using nqp::existspos, and I've no clue why :( | 05:25 | ||
| there's no nqp function to just tell me the type of a given variable, is there? :/ | 05:41 | ||
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| moritz | lue: $obj.HOW.name($obj) | 05:44 | |
| lue | Well then :) . I guess I'm being a bit too conservative in guessing how large NQP's subset of P is :) | 05:45 | |
| moritz | in particular NQP has a MOP too | ||
| lue | For some reason, **0..1 isn't forcing a list in NQP like the slides claim, which means some fiddling involving an if nqp::islist() {} conditional. :/ | 05:46 | |
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| moritz | nqp: 'a' ~~ /^ (a) ** 0..1 /; say $/[0][0] | 05:52 | |
| camelia | nqp-jvm: OUTPUT«Confused at line 2, near "say $/[0][" in panic (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:279) in comp_unit (src/stage2/gen/NQP.nqp:772) in TOP (src/stage2/gen/NQP.nqp:669) in parse (src/stage2/gen/QRegex.nqp:1247) in parse (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:1376) in…» | ||
| ..nqp-moarvm: OUTPUT«Confused at line 2, near "say $/[0]["panic» | |||
| ..nqp-parrot: OUTPUT«Confused at line 2, near "say $/[0]["current instr.: 'panic' pc 14748 (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pir:5229) (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:279)» | |||
| moritz | nqp: 'a' ~~ /^ (a) ** 0..1 /; say($/[0][0]) | ||
| camelia | nqp-jvm: OUTPUT«java.lang.NullPointerException in (/tmp/IipcQZwbba:1) in (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:1098) in eval (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:1084) in evalfiles (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:1290) in command_eval (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:1194) in command_line…» | ||
| ..nqp-moarvm: OUTPUT«No lexical found with name '$/'frame_name_0» | |||
| ..nqp-parrot: OUTPUT«» | |||
| moritz | nqp: my $/ := 'a' ~~ /^ (a) ** 0..1 /; say($/[0][0]) | ||
| camelia | nqp-moarvm, nqp-jvm, nqp-parrot: OUTPUT«a» | 05:53 | |
| moritz | nqp: my $/ := 'a' ~~ /^ (b) ** 0..1 /; my $first := $/[0]; say $first.HOW.name($first) | ||
| camelia | nqp-moarvm: OUTPUT«Confused at line 2, near "say $first"panic» | ||
| ..nqp-parrot: OUTPUT«Confused at line 2, near "say $first"current instr.: 'panic' pc 14748 (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pir:5229) (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:279)» | |||
| ..nqp-jvm: OUTPUT«Confused at line 2, near "say $first" in panic (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:279) in comp_unit (src/stage2/gen/NQP.nqp:772) in TOP (src/stage2/gen/NQP.nqp:669) in parse (src/stage2/gen/QRegex.nqp:1247) in parse (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:1376) in…» | |||
| moritz | nqp: my $/ := 'a' ~~ /^ (b) ** 0..1 /; my $first := $/[0]; say($first.HOW.name($first)) | ||
| camelia | nqp-parrot: OUTPUT«Can only use get_how on a SixModelObjectcurrent instr.: '' pc 176 ((file unknown):48718186) (/tmp/Ss2gPnxEnP:1)» | ||
| ..nqp-moarvm, nqp-jvm: OUTPUT«NQPArray» | |||
| moritz | lue: looks to me like it's a list always | 05:54 | |
| lue | weirdly though, existpos segfaults and islist returns 0 unless I step in and forcibly create a list. (I'm working on the if/else part of the slides, so the issue is with one <EXPR> not becoming a 1-elem list) | 05:55 | |
| At least I finally got it working, by forcing that list so existspos doesn't segfault :) | 06:00 | ||
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| jnthn | morning, #perl6 | 06:41 | |
| yoleaux | 21 Oct 2013 23:11Z <lue> jnthn: I haz change to nqp, but I no haz push bit. halp? :) [the specific change is the removal of the "redundant \h* line" from earlier] | ||
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| jnthn | .lue tell I need your github name | 06:49 | |
| uh, dammit | |||
| .tell lue I need your github name :) | |||
| yoleaux | jnthn: I'll pass your message to lue. | ||
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| dalek | p/unified-build: 250283c | moritz++ | / (3 files): [build] various MoarVM fixes |
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| p/unified-build: a6a11fc | moritz++ | tools/build/gen-moar-runner.pl: [moar] runner is now nqp-m |
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| jnthn | moritz: Do you get a (delegating) ./nqp at all under the latest work? | 06:59 | |
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| moritz | jnthn: no | 07:02 | |
| jnthn: and I'd like to avoid doing that | 07:03 | ||
| jnthn | hm | ||
| moritz | (unless there's a very good use case of which I'm not yet aware) | ||
| but rakudo (on a branch) builds on top of the nqps from unified-build | 07:04 | ||
| dalek | kudo/unified-build: 499325e | moritz++ | / (5 files): start to fold ConfigureJVM.pl into Configure.pl |
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| moritz | (at least before this patch; now rakudo-jvm is a bit broken, will fix soon) | ||
| lizmat | good *, #perl6! | 07:09 | |
| lizmat tries to catch up on 3+ days of backlog | |||
| arnsholt | moritz: Symlinking nqp to nqp-$foo won't work? | 07:10 | |
| moritz | arnsholt: it might | 07:11 | |
| arnsholt: but once you start to actually it for anything serious, you still have to know for which backend it was compiled | 07:12 | ||
| *actually using | |||
| that's why I won't bother, unless somebody has a good use case | |||
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| diakopter | right, same for any compiler that doesn't support cross compilation.. you hafta know which architecture it's built to target | 07:18 | |
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| arnsholt | moritz: Yeah. I'm all for the new layout for my workflow =) | 07:21 | |
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| masak | morning, #perl6 | 07:38 | |
| diakopter | ayoy | ||
| masak | agog | 07:39 | |
| dalek | kudo/unified-build: 74481bb | moritz++ | tools/lib/NQP/Configure.pm: fix parsing of nqp-j config |
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| moritz | azoz | ||
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| FROGGS | morning | 07:44 | |
| masak | moarning | ||
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| FROGGS | diakopter++ BenGoldberg++ Mouq++ | 07:56 | |
| nqp: say(nqp::null_s()) | 07:57 | ||
| camelia | nqp-jvm: OUTPUT«null» | ||
| ..nqp-moarvm: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)» | |||
| ..nqp-parrot: OUTPUT«» | |||
| FROGGS | \o/ | ||
| masak | wow, it's so wonderful to see all three of them. | 08:01 | |
| though I must say I prefer nqp-jvm's stance in the above dialogue. | 08:02 | ||
| moritz wonders why nqp-parrot doesn't NPMCA | |||
| wait, what's null_s ? | 08:03 | ||
| null string? | |||
| masak | huh. good_q. | 08:04 | |
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| moritz | in perl 5 lingo, "null string" just means an empty string | 08:07 | |
| if that's what's going on, I agree with parrot | |||
| arnsholt | Probably a Parrot-ism | ||
| IIRC Parrot distinguishes between NULLPMC and NULLSTRING | 08:08 | ||
| moritz | or is it a NULL pointer in a string register? | ||
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| dalek | kudo/nom: b0c90ed | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Parcel.pm: Implement Parcel.rotate One wonders whether the internal logic would warrant an nqp::rotate op, which could then be shared with List.rotate |
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| moritz | lizmat: one wonders if such methods (that go into both List and Parcel) actually belong into a common role | 08:20 | |
| jnthn | moritz: Main use case is being able to write just "nqp" when I want to run code to demonstrate stuff. :) | ||
| moritz | jnthn: for that I recommand a shell alias :-) | ||
| lizmat | moritz: big difference is that a Parcel has fixed length, no ? | 08:21 | |
| moritz | lizmat: yes, but that doesn't preclude common operations | ||
| jnthn | r: my @a = 1,2,3; say @a.rotate(2) | 08:22 | |
| camelia | rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«3 1 2» | ||
| jnthn | r: my @a = 1,2,3; @a.rotate(2); say @a; | ||
| camelia | rakudo e9830d: OUTPUT«1 2 3» | ||
| jnthn | ok, good, it's immutable. | ||
| JimmyZ | how do you do shell alias on cmd | ||
| jnthn | moritz: It just feels a little unfortunate that anybody building an NQP (and most people will only care for one backend) will not just be able to run it as "nqp" | 08:23 | |
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| jnthn | moritz: I'm not suggesting we use that in the Rakudo build. | 08:23 | |
| moritz | jnthn: hm. Maybe I can come up with something clever | 08:24 | |
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| jnthn | moritz: Mostly I'm just making a convenience argument :) | 08:27 | |
| moritz: What do we do in Rakudo? Do you get a ./perl6 ? | |||
| arnsholt | I dunno about Moar, but at least NQP/JVM's ./nqp is pretty useless at any rate | 08:28 | |
| moritz | jnthn: not yet (rakudo doesn't yet support building multiple backends in one place) | ||
| lizmat | is there a reason why there is nothing in S32/Containers about Parcel ? | ||
| as a class, I mean? | |||
| moritz | lizmat: hysterical raisins | 08:29 | |
| lizmat | does it live somewhere else then? | ||
| or was it simply omitted ? | |||
| moritz | scattered through S02 iirc | ||
| or not documented at all | |||
| lizmat | ack | ||
| afk for a few hours& | |||
| jnthn | arnsholt: Useless in what sense? | ||
| arnsholt: I use it plenty. | |||
| arnsholt | At least on my machine it's only useful as long as you're inside the NQP directory | 08:30 | |
| Since the classpaths are relative, it borks if you call it from a different directory | |||
| jnthn | You generally have to be in the same directory as soemthing to write ./something :P | 08:31 | |
| arnsholt | If you want that you have to use ./nqp/install/foo | ||
| jnthn | Well sure, you use the installed one then. | ||
| arnsholt | Sure, sure | ||
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| jnthn | moritz: Oh, do you *install* a nqp that delegaets? | 08:33 | |
| moritz | jnthn: no | ||
| jnthn | Ah, OK | ||
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| arnsholt | rj: class Foo { has str $!str is box_target; method foo() { say "`$!str'" }; }; my Foo $x := nqp::box_s(nqp::null_s(), Foo); $x.foo | 08:49 | |
| camelia | rakudo-jvm b0c90e: OUTPUT«`null'» | ||
| arnsholt | jnthn: Golfed test case for the null string bug NativeCall uncovered | ||
| jnthn | Hmm | 08:50 | |
| arnsholt | Can probably do the same thing using NQP, but I don't think NQP exposes box_targets directly in the syntax | 08:51 | |
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| moritz | you'd have to create an NQPAttribute manually | 09:00 | |
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| dalek | kudo/unified-build: bbb9262 | moritz++ | / (4 files): more Makefile fiddling |
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| moritz | the unified-build branch in rakudo is now at the point where you can compile the setting with both parrot and JVM in the same build dir | 10:11 | |
| FROGGS | cool! | ||
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| moritz: now you just have to make it compiling on moar :P | |||
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| moritz | oh noez, rakudo's setting compilation failed in a quite late stage :( | 10:12 | |
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| dalek | kudo/unified-build: b9d2244 | moritz++ | tools/build/Makefile- (2 files): avoid collision in src/gen/main.nqp |
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| r: say (1,2,3).List # shouldn't this just work, because List is a type ? | |||
| camelia | rakudo b0c90e: OUTPUT«No such method 'List' for invocant of type 'Parcel' in block at /tmp/rUcvHwjlD9:1» | ||
| lizmat | n: say (1,2,3).List | ||
| camelia | niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method List in type Parcel at /tmp/yCPNW8SzIk line 1 (mainline @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4583 (ANON @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4584 (module-CORE @ 576) …» | ||
| lizmat | std: say (1,2,3).List | 10:32 | |
| camelia | std 082981d: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 126m» | ||
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| diakopter | lizmat: it's my recollection that the general method form of coercion isn't yet implemented | 10:34 | |
| lizmat | isn't that really LHF ? | 10:35 | |
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| diakopter | seems to me it would have to be a compiler/macro-y thing if you didn't want to have to go recomposing all other types when a new type is declared... so, yes, probably :) | 10:36 | |
| on the other hand, maybe rakudo's dispatcher has a universal built-in fallback thing to lookup in a hash of type names on method missing. | 10:38 | ||
| (with the usual optimizations to avoid the hash lookup) | 10:40 | ||
| lizmat | well, I hope TimToady can shine a light | 10:41 | |
| dalek | kudo/unified-build: f882d65 | moritz++ | tools/build/Makefile- (2 files): unentangle CORE_SOURCES |
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| ast: 0d307b0 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S (2 files): Added/Moved Parcel.rotate tests |
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| lizmat | this actually removes one skip from the spectest | 10:47 | |
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| dalek | kudo/unified-build: b654966 | moritz++ | t (2 files): [build] more fiddling now "make j-test p-test" builds rakudo-j and rakudo-p and runs their tests successfully, without any interferences. |
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| lizmat | moritz++ | 10:52 | |
| moritz | and p-spectest and j-spectest also seem to work | 10:54 | |
| jnthn | lizmat++ | 10:59 | |
| moritz++ | |||
| it's nice to look here while I do teaching stuff and see stuff happening :) | |||
| dalek | kudo/nom: 09336e3 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/Perl6/Optimizer.nqp: Turn "with no arguments" to "without arguments" |
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| lizmat | it's only textual, but that message was bothering me for some time now ;-) | 11:02 | |
| dalek | kudo/unified-build: d251dd4 | moritz++ | Configure.pl: [build] generate some catch-all targets |
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| jnthn | lizmat: hm, why? :) | ||
| lizmat: But the wording change is fine by me :) | |||
| moritz | lizmat++ # fixing small things | ||
| lizmat | r: sub a ($x) {}; a() # will become "without" | ||
| camelia | rakudo b0c90e: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===CHECK FAILED:Calling 'a' will never work with no arguments (lines 1, 1) Expected: :($x)» | ||
| moritz | "with no arguments" sounds a bit clumsy to me | 11:03 | |
| lizmat | indeed, that's the word :-) | ||
| moritz | "will never with" ... wait, not with, how shall we finish that sentence... | ||
| jnthn | Well, if you want to really awesome it, "Calling 'a' requires arguments" :) | ||
| moritz | things to do in the unified-build branches: | 11:05 | |
| 1) set up default launcher (./nqp and ./perl6) | |||
| 2) use those for the */*/*.t targets, avoid duplication | |||
| 3) test and fix on non-linux platforms | |||
| 4) ??? | |||
| 5) profit! | |||
| jnthn | moritz: Will we have a make test-j, etc? | 11:06 | |
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| moritz | jnthn: 'make j-test' and 'make j-spectest' already work in those branches | 11:08 | |
| and 'j-all' for building, 'j-install' etc. | |||
| and simply 'make test' run all the {j,p,m}-test targets that were written at Configure time | 11:11 | ||
| *runs | |||
| dalek | kudo/nom: b3ea82b | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/Perl6/Optimizer.nqp: Further awesomize CHECK error message, jnthn++ for suggesting |
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| lizmat | jnthn: your wish is my command :-) | ||
| r: (1,2,3).reverse.WHAT.say # hmmm…. shouldn't that be a Parcel also ? | 11:15 | ||
| camelia | rakudo b0c90e: OUTPUT«(List)» | ||
| lizmat | n: (1,2,3).reverse.WHAT.say | ||
| camelia | niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method reverse in type Parcel at /tmp/IqoRTEmd5f line 1 (mainline @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4583 (ANON @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4584 (module-CORE @ 57…» | ||
| lizmat | I guess Niecza misses a 'method reverse () { self.list.reverse }' in Any | 11:16 | |
| jnthn | lizmat: I wish Rakudo has like 10 times faster :D | 11:17 | |
| *was | |||
| lizmat ponders getting heavier iron for jnthn | 11:19 | ||
| jnthn | :P | ||
| lizmat | although I think you already have the fastest iron in a notebook form factor, right ? | ||
| r: (1,2,3).reverse.push(4,5).say # hehe | 11:20 | ||
| camelia | rakudo 09336e: OUTPUT«3 2 1 4 5» | ||
| moritz | lizmat: no, get him a slower notebook, to make create additional incentive to speed up rakudo :-) | 11:21 | |
| jnthn | lizmat: Yeah, it's an i7 in the notebook. And a quad-core i7 at home. | 11:23 | |
| 16 GB RAM in both. | |||
| SSD :) | |||
| moritz | holy shit :-) | ||
| jnthn | I can "make test" in NQP on MoarVM in 8s on my machine at home, with -j6 | ||
| uh | 11:24 | ||
| that's assuming it's already built :) | |||
| Wonder how quick I can do it once we make MoarVM actually fast... :) | |||
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| lizmat | .oO( we'll just add moar tests ) |
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| moritz | 7s? :-) | ||
| jnthn | I think the next big win will probably come from writing the type specializer... :) | 11:27 | |
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| FROGGS | moritz: why j-test and not test-j ooc? | 11:38 | |
| lizmat | tab completion ? | ||
| jnthn | FROGGS: Prevention of excessive lols when we get a tcl backend. | ||
| FROGGS | I'd think test-j is nicer because you would get auto completion for test-<tab><tab> | ||
| jnthn: err, what? | |||
| jnthn isn't spelling this one out :) | 11:40 | ||
| FROGGS .oO( in the ... ) | |||
| I think I didn't get it | 11:41 | ||
| moritz | test-tcl | 11:43 | |
| you have to read it out loud | |||
| FROGGS: anyway, no particularly good reason; if you feel like, you can change it to test-j | 11:44 | ||
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| FROGGS | ah!! | 11:49 | |
| hehe | |||
| well, test-t would be fine though :P | |||
| lizmat | r: (1,2,3).reverse.push(4,5).say # TimToady: should this work? aka, should .reverse on a Parcel return a List ? | 11:56 | |
| camelia | rakudo 09336e: OUTPUT«3 2 1 4 5» | ||
| lizmat | there seems at least one spectest depending on this behaviour | ||
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| [Coke] | moritz: did you answer your question about what null_s is? (catching up) | 15:48 | |
| (if so, please add it to the docs. ;) | 15:49 | ||
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| dalek | kudo/unified-build: af43dae | moritz++ | / (3 files): build convenience perl6 "executable" also enable make $single_test_file |
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| moritz | [Coke]: not really; I have a hypothesis, but no knowledge | 15:58 | |
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| lizmat | std: "perl6".reverse | 15:59 | |
| camelia | std 082981d: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 121m» | ||
| jnthn | [Coke]: null_s gives a "null string"; a null that can be stored in a native str | ||
| lizmat | .oO( shouldn't that warn as a Perl5 ism? ) |
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| lizmat | rn: "perl6".rotate.say | 16:00 | |
| camelia | rakudo 022412: OUTPUT«No such method 'rotate' for invocant of type 'Str' in block at /tmp/ocRgq3hB5Z:1» | ||
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| TimToady | we can warn if we know they intentionally fed it one value, but not if they said something.reverse and something happened to be a degenerate case of one value | 16:01 | |
| so really, one could only warn on literals, which is not terribly useful | 16:02 | ||
| dalek | kudo/unified-build: d47f860 | moritz++ | tools/build/Makefile- (3 files): [build] get rid of the last few Makefile rule collisions |
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| TimToady | I suppose one could warn on $x.reverse if $x were declared to contaion something non-Positional such as Str, but Any includes Positionals, as well as Parcels, and singleton scalars that serve as their own parcel when there's only one element in the parcel, so in general we can't know without difficult code analysis whether reverse or flip was intended | 16:09 | |
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| TimToady | a medium-hard heuristic would be to look at all the other uses of $x in the scope and decide whether any of them imply $x is being thought of as positional | 16:12 | |
| but in the case of .flip, I'd say most of the uses of it are rather toy-like, and likely to be caught early, and unlikely to be mission-critical, so heroic heuristics are probably not warranted | 16:15 | ||
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| masak | is the new 'function*' keyword, proposed in ECMAScript.next, the first example of a keyword with both \w and \W characters in a major language? | 16:43 | |
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| japhb | masak: My "no true Scotsman" alarm went off when you ended that with 'in a major language'. ;-) | 16:45 | |
| masak | japhb: ok, feel free to pick a non-major language. :) | ||
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| masak | I don't know of any such keyword anywhere else. | 16:45 | |
| japhb | #t | 16:46 | |
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| masak | hm. :) | 16:46 | |
| I've always thought of it as a constant, not a keyword. | |||
| japhb | You say poe-tay-toe ... | ||
| masak | yeah. | ||
| the terms are quite loosely defined in the first place. | 16:47 | ||
| japhb | Quite. | ||
| geekosaur | I'd have said let* from scheme/clisp | 16:48 | |
| although, any example involving those is kinda iffy on the "keyword" front | |||
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| masak | yes, let* is definitely an example of what I mean. | 16:50 | |
| it's just as definition-y as function* | |||
| japhb | "special form" | 16:51 | |
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| arnsholt | Macro-ish =) | 16:54 | |
| masak | well, yeah. | ||
| because Lisp is one big macro :) | |||
| arnsholt | Indeed | 16:55 | |
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| arnsholt | One of the last chapters of Practical Common Lisp has a very enlightening discussion of which bits of the language are macros and which are special forms | 16:56 | |
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| arnsholt | Apparently it's kind of like complete sets of operators in logic. Some of them have to be special, but exactly which is a bit arbitrary as many of them can be defined in terms of eachother | 16:57 | |
| benabik | masak: function* keyword? | 16:59 | |
| masak | benabik: coming soon to a JavaScript near you. | 17:00 | |
| benabik: (to define generators with yield-y semantics. a bit like Perl 6's gather/take) | 17:01 | ||
| benabik | masak: Thanks. Trying to search for "new function keyword" doesn't give a lot of useful results. ;-) | 17:02 | |
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| masak | benabik: I was reading var jake = require("jake"); | 17:04 | |
| jake.task('hello', function(){ print('hello world'); | |||
| ergh | |||
| I was reading oreilly.com/javascript/radarreports...cript.html | |||
| which I recommend to anyone with an interest in the evolution of JavaScript. | |||
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| benabik | Ah, excellent. It's on the Safari bookshelf. | 17:06 | |
| I love the ridiculous amounts of things you can get for free by accessing the internet from a university. :-D | |||
| TimToady | .oO(Is that why my royalties have been going from Little down to Very Little...) |
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| masak | benabik: fwiw, I got it for free from outside of a university. | 17:12 | |
| wow, looking at the gray boxes over the years at irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/ is... interesting. | |||
| benabik | masak: Hah. I saw "O'Reilly" and automatically headed for the uni's bookshelf page. | ||
| TimToady: I doubt university students are the main source of sales for the camel. | 17:13 | ||
| masak | 2005/2006 were strong years. then a slump for two years. then 2009..2010 were strong years. then a slump in early 2011. then two more strong years. | 17:14 | |
| masak uses / and .. inconsistently, apparently | |||
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| moritz | oh man, --gen-nqp for multiple NQPs turns out to be a lot more complicated than doing two calls to gen_nqp in a row | 17:23 | |
| jnthn | Oh? | ||
| oh...yeah :) | |||
| moritz | well, I have to specify which backends to use when I configure NQP | ||
| jnthn | Yeah :) | ||
| Does NQP have an automatic "figure out what you can build" mode? :) | 17:24 | ||
| moritz | which means I have to start to actually understand the Configure.pl code instead of just moving blocks of it around :-) | ||
| jnthn | Aww, understand stuff? Dang! | ||
| jnthn is just working out what he wants for dinner :) | 17:25 | ||
| moritz | jnthn: no, nqp's configure doesn't autodetect anything | ||
| benabik | let x :: Number = 37 | ||
| Javascript is apparently going to merge with SML or Haskell at some point in the future. | 17:26 | ||
| TimToady wonders if this would make it even harder to find people smart enough to produce an insurance market website... | 17:28 | ||
| (that works) | |||
| moritz | 17:36 | ||
| jnthn | dinner & | ||
| Rotwang | hi | 17:37 | |
| moritz | hello | 17:38 | |
| Rotwang | could someone explain: image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/...design.png ? | ||
| moritz | Rotwang: are you aware of the "Second System Syndrome"? | 17:39 | |
| Rotwang | just googled it, thanks [; | ||
| moritz | one of Perl 6's early mottos is "Second System Syndrome done right" | 17:40 | |
| Rotwang | haha | 17:41 | |
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| nwc10 | via someone on Google+ who got it from Sam Ruby: mathiasbynens.be/notes/javascript-unicode | 17:58 | |
| daxim_ | mauke.hopto.org/interweb/http://98....1/gbu.html slide 8 | 18:04 | |
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| timotimo | i'm a bit surprised by the use of "polyfill" in javascript contents | 18:16 | |
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| daxim_ | stupidest word of the decade | 18:18 | |
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| TimToady | .oO(decade ain't over yet) |
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| colomon | TimToady: Think that given 7 years, you can think of a stupider word? | 18:31 | |
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| TimToady | there are plenty of stupid words; the real trick is to come up with a stupid meaning | 18:35 | |
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| lizmat | TimToady: wrt to .reverse on strings: I was thinking of just letting Str.reverse warn | 18:45 | |
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| TimToady | I'm sayin' that won't work when you've bound something to \name | 18:46 | |
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| lizmat | I'm not sure I'm following, you mean something like: | 18:48 | |
| r: sub a (\a) { say a.WHAT }; a("foo") # ? | |||
| camelia | rakudo 022412: OUTPUT«(Str)» | ||
| TimToady | that, plus note that <foo> is a Str, when <foo bar> is a parcel; there are lots of things that can act as a parcel of one element without being officially wrapped in Parcel | 18:50 | |
| lizmat | r: sub a (\a) { say a.WHAT }; a(<a>); a(<a b>) # gotcha | 18:51 | |
| camelia | rakudo 022412: OUTPUT«(Str)(Parcel)» | ||
| lizmat shelves the idea for (much) later, most likely never :-) | |||
| dalek | kudo/unified-build: e8a0f9d | moritz++ | / (2 files): [Configure] more --gen-nqp fixes |
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| kudo/unified-build: 53dcdc8 | moritz++ | / (2 files): rework Configure.pl and gen_nqp turns out that needing to know what NQPs to build in advance means that the structure of the whole configure process needs to tweaked |
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| moritz | still seems to build too much stuff :/ | ||
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| dalek | kudo/unified-build: 3c99ca7 | moritz++ | tools/lib/NQP/Configure.pm: only build the NQPs that we need and that are not yet there |
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| moritz | touching 90 lines of Configure.pl code simply isn't a good idea, however you put it | 19:00 | |
| pmichaud | good afternoon, #perl6 | 19:02 | |
| moritz: ooc, are you working/planning to keep the lib/NQP/Configure.pm changes synchronized between the NQP and Rakudo repos? | 19:03 | ||
| moritz | pmichaud: yes | 19:09 | |
| pmichaud | okay, good. | 19:10 | |
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| moritz | pmichaud: nqp can already be built and tested on all three backends in the same source dir | 19:12 | |
| jnthn back from dinner :) | |||
| moritz | (without any interference) | ||
| jnthn | ooh, a pmichaud \o/ | ||
| moritz | (and in that branch) | ||
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| dalek | kudo/nom: e13fa98 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/traits.pm: Add "is DEPRECATED" as an Attribute trait (for now, so I can make todo tests) |
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| jnthn | On stupidest word, I'd like to nominate "phablet", a word whose existence I sadly discoverd this week. | ||
| Util | #ps in 15m | 19:16 | |
| TimToady | yes, they should've been called tablones instead :) | ||
| jnthn | Tomorrow is the last day of teaching for a bit. So I may actually have decent Perl 6 time again. :) | 19:19 | |
| moritz | \o/ | ||
| tadzik | jnthn: they should've just stop pretending and call it "faplet" right away :P | 19:24 | |
| TimToady | or "phobelet", a small phobia | 19:25 | |
| jnthn | tadzik: argh! :P | 19:26 | |
| A phoblet sounds like something I should be scared to drink out of... | 19:27 | ||
| tadzik | Harry Potter and the phoblet of phire | ||
| FROGGS | hehe | ||
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| FROGGS | it would be allright if the beer in it multiplies though | 19:28 | |
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| lue | Hello world! o/ | 19:28 | |
| lizmat | lue! | ||
| TimToady | not if it's phobear | ||
| er, *phobeer | 19:29 | ||
| FROGGS | hmmmm, I'd say the germans have some sort of phobeeria | ||
| foreign thin tasteless beer *shudder* | |||
| TimToady | no, you're think of french fauxbeer | ||
| FROGGS | *g* | 19:30 | |
| TimToady | *thinking | ||
| Util | #ps time | ||
| lizmat | .oO( bibblet, as it is too small for the napkin ) |
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| timotimo | "for...of", i'm not sure if any other language has a spelling like that | 19:33 | |
| dalek | kudo/nom: fd3e683 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/traits.pm: Add "is DEPRECATED" trait to class/etc. (to be able to add todo tests) |
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| yoleaux's missing! No wonder I didn't get that message in the backlog. | |||
| dalek | kudo/unified-build: 3c7f661 | moritz++ | tools/lib/NQP/Configure.pm: [Configure] read_config clobbers $_ who would have thought? |
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| jnthn | lue: Well, it only lived once, and now it's gone... :) | 19:36 | |
| lue | :) | ||
| jnthn: the username is 'lue', unless I used some sort of name-as-it-appears changer feature I'm unaware of. | 19:37 | ||
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| moritz | lue: then you now have an NQP commit bit | 19:40 | |
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| lue | \o/ | 19:40 | |
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| jnthn | moritz: Beat me to it! :) | 19:43 | |
| lue is testing his commit-to-be one last time for sureness' sake. | 19:48 | ||
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| arnsholt | lue: You talked about triggering segfaults yesterday. Do you have a small-ish test case that reproduces it? | 19:52 | |
| lue | arnsholt: I get the sad suspicion it involves actions and grammar, so I don't have a test case prepared :( . (I tried really-small uses of existspos in here earlier, and I only got a SEGV from MVM once.) | 19:53 | |
| xalbo | The recent commit about "is DEPRECATED" got me wondering, again, whether there shouldn't be a "use Debug;" or the like. That is, something that tells causes the program to be run in a mode that's as picky as possible. Deprecation warnings are really only useful for the developer. | 19:54 | |
| lue | arnsholt: the bug is not with existspos, but with me not getting an ar— *sigh* well of course that wasn't going to get me an arrayed EXPR *facepalm* | ||
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| lue | [ and there really is no way to force an arrayed <EXPR> either in the cases of 1 if or if + else. So it wasn't that **0..1 was broken; it was my brain :) ] | 19:55 | |
| lizmat | xalbo: please note that "is DEPRECATED" warnings will only be shown after exiting the program, *not* during execution of the program | 19:57 | |
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| lizmat | r: sub a is DEPRECATED { say "foo" }; a(); say "bar" # note the report *after* "bar" | 19:58 | |
| camelia | rakudo 022412: OUTPUT«foobarSaw 1 call to deprecated code during execution.================================================================================Sub a (from GLOBAL) called at: /tmp/0arBUJa7cz, line 1Please use something else instead.------------------…» | ||
| moritz | xalbo: experience with perl 5 development has shown that if deprecation warnings aren't shown *BY DEFAULT*, nearly nobody ever reads them | 19:59 | |
| arnsholt | lue: Oh, so you were passing something not a list to existspos? | ||
| xalbo | I did note that. But I imagine upgrading Perl and suddenly getting warnings (on stderr) from things you didn't write, and previously had no reason to care whether they were in perl or not. | ||
| moritz | better that you get those warnings, open a bug report, and get a fix, and all the while have a working program | ||
| lue | arnsholt: yeah, the problem I suppose is the SEGFAULT instead of an error message. (I fixed this eventually by forcing the non-list to be a list when necessary, btw.) | 20:00 | |
| moritz | than nobody noticing, and the next upgrade breaking your program completely | ||
| lue | arnsholt: on nqp-p naturally. | ||
| arnsholt | lue: Yeah, the segfault still shouldn't happen | ||
| lizmat | r: sub a is DEPRECATED { say "foo" }; a(); say "bar"; %DEPRECATIONS=() # suppress DEPRECATED report | ||
| camelia | rakudo 022412: OUTPUT«foobar» | ||
| jnthn | Oh no, nqp-p out loud is "en queue pee pee" | ||
| lizmat | r: say "hello" | 20:01 | |
| camelia | rakudo 022412: OUTPUT«hello» | ||
| lizmat | r: sub a is DEPRECATED { say "foo" }; a(); say "bar"; %DEPRECATIONS=() # suppress DEPRECATED report | ||
| arnsholt | lue: It normally doesn't segfault though. If you figure out what triggered it, could you open an NQP issue? | ||
| jnthn puts that on "things not to say in talks" list :) | |||
| camelia | rakudo 022412: OUTPUT«foobar» | ||
| jnthn | lue: The MoarVM segfault is worth filing too, unless it's the typical NULL one we know about. :) | ||
| arnsholt | It could in theory be a Parrot bug, but probably not I think | ||
| lue | arnsholt: working on a golf right now :) | 20:02 | |
| lizmat | not sure how we want to define syntactic sugar for surpressing DEPRECATED warnings | ||
| lue | jnthn: I'll have to look in the camelia chatlogs a bit later for that one. | ||
| jnthn | lue: OK, thanks :) | ||
| arnsholt | Cheers! | ||
| moritz | nqp-m: say(nqp::null_s()) | 20:03 | |
| camelia | nqp-moarvm: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)» | ||
| jnthn | moritz: Right, that's the known one :) | ||
| arnsholt | nqp: say(nqp::null_s()) | ||
| jnthn | I thought I heard an existspos mention though... | ||
| camelia | nqp-jvm: OUTPUT«null» | ||
| ..nqp-moarvm: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)» | 20:04 | ||
| ..nqp-parrot: OUTPUT«» | |||
| lue | nqp: grammar G { regex TOP { <foo>+ }; regex foo { foo } }; class G::A { method TOP($/) { if nqp::existspos($<foo>, 2) { say("YAY") } } }; G.parse("foofoo", :actions(G::A)); | ||
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| lue | nqp: grammar G { regex TOP { <foo>+ }; regex foo { foo } }; class G::A { method TOP($/) { if nqp::existspos($<foo>, 1) { say("YAY") } } }; G.parse("foofoo", :actions(G::A)); | ||
| camelia | nqp-moarvm, nqp-jvm, nqp-parrot: OUTPUT«YAY» | ||
| lue | nqp: grammar G { regex TOP { <foo>+ }; regex foo { foo } }; class G::A { method TOP($/) { if nqp::existspos($<foo>, 1) { say("YAY") } } }; G.parse("foo", :actions(G::A)); | ||
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| arnsholt | Oh, that's probably the simplest manifestation of the stringification problem, completely free of box_targets | ||
| arnsholt opens issue | |||
| lue | Hm. Now I'm really confused as to how I got a segfault :( | 20:05 | |
| TimToady | r: package NotMain { sub a is DEPRECATED { say "foo" }; a(); say "bar"; } | 20:06 | |
| camelia | rakudo 022412: OUTPUT«foobarSaw 1 call to deprecated code during execution.================================================================================Sub a (from NotMain) called at: /tmp/1p50DTZJYH, line 1Please use something else instead.-----------------…» | ||
| TimToady | rj: package NotMain { sub a is DEPRECATED { say "foo" }; a(); say "bar"; } | ||
| camelia | rakudo-jvm e13fa9: OUTPUT«Cannot look up attributes in a type object in sub infix:<<> at src/gen/CORE.setting:4089 in sub postcircumfix:<[ ]> at src/gen/CORE.setting:2264 in sub DEPRECATED at src/gen/CORE.setting:16639 in block at src/gen/CORE.setting:121 in blo…» | 20:07 | |
| arnsholt | lue: Yeah, that happens occasionally =/ | 20:08 | |
| lizmat | TimToady: that is probably because of difference in Backtrace implementation between parakudo and jakudo | 20:09 | |
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| lizmat | possibly because Exceptions are handled differently | 20:10 | |
| jnthn | Still sounds kinda odd... | ||
| TimToady | was really just wondering what scope %DEPRECATIONS lives in | ||
| dalek | kudo/unified-build: e7ffc63 | moritz++ | tools/lib/NQP/Configure.pm: [Configure] need to aggregate config values from both parrot and nqp |
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| lizmat | every time you call something that is deprecated, it creates a Backtrace, and then starts looking back for where it was called from | ||
| jnthn suspects that's kinda costly ;) | |||
| lizmat | I guess it doesn't handle false negatives in the search | ||
| TimToady | seems like %*DEPRECATIONS would be cheaper | ||
| lizmat | jnthn: you said I shouldn't optimize is DEPRECATED :-) | 20:12 | |
| diakopter | moritz+=lots | ||
| dalek | p/ext: 2c393d3 | dwarring++ | examples/rubyish/ (6 files): added bitwise ops, fixed precedence, etc |
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| jnthn | lizmat: Yes, but I didn't say to pessimize it :D | ||
| moritz | rj: sub a is DEPRECATED { say "foo" }; a(); say "bar" | ||
| camelia | rakudo-jvm e13fa9: OUTPUT«Cannot look up attributes in a type object in sub infix:<<> at src/gen/CORE.setting:4089 in sub postcircumfix:<[ ]> at src/gen/CORE.setting:2264 in sub DEPRECATED at src/gen/CORE.setting:16639 in block at src/gen/CORE.setting:121» | ||
| jnthn | lizmat: Anyway, if it becoems an issue we can come up with something :) | ||
| Mouq | moritz++ # I don't think I've ++'d you much for the unified-build work | ||
| lizmat | well, I'm open to suggestions on finding out where the code is being called from | ||
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| moritz | ok, unified-build is now open for public testing | 20:12 | |
| lue | arnsholt: at the moment I think it might have to do with HLL's EXPR specifically, though I don't know for sure. | 20:13 | |
| jnthn | lizmat: Well, we could avoid making the entire bt and perhaps nqp::callercode() it or so..but anyway, let's not worry about it fo rnow. I like the improved reporting ;) | ||
| moritz | (note that you need both the rakudo and nqp branch to work together) | ||
| TimToady | if only the application cares at exit time, then only the application should set up a %*DEPRECATIONS, and that's the one everyone will see | ||
| dalek | p: 7384f3e | lue++ | src/NQP/Grammar.nqp: [NQP::Grammar] Remove redundant regex line Since rule unv contains \h+ as a possible alternative, <.unv>? in the second (and surviving) line of ENDSTMT is sometimes [\h+]?, which is functionally equivalent to \h*. The first (and now removed) line of ENDSTMT was essentially line 2 with <.unv>? replaced by \h*. As stated <.unv>? already covers what \h* does, so line 1 was removed. No regressions or speed drops result from the removal of this line. |
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| moritz | and you'll likely want to test stuff like perl Configure.pl --backends=parrot,jvm --gen-nqp or so | ||
| TimToady | or poke it into GLOBAL | ||
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| lizmat | I'm not sure how to actually handle the scoping here yet | 20:16 | |
| r: sub a is DEPRECATED { say "foo" }; a(); say "bar"; Deprecations.report.say; say "baz" | |||
| camelia | rakudo fd3e68: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/fC7zqit9WXUndeclared name: Deprecations used at line 1. Did you mean 'Deprecation'?» | ||
| jnthn | moritz: I can maybe give it a workout on the train tomorrow. that'll pass the journey :) | ||
| lizmat | r: sub a is DEPRECATED { say "foo" }; a(); say "bar"; Deprecation.report.say; say "baz" | 20:17 | |
| camelia | rakudo fd3e68: OUTPUT«foobarSaw 1 call to deprecated code during execution.================================================================================Sub a (from GLOBAL) called at: /tmp/gZsBUsgX7K, line 1Please use something else instead.------------------…» | ||
| jnthn | (Yes, I have power there. :)) | ||
| lizmat | r: sub a is DEPRECATED { say "foo" }; a(); say "bar"; Deprecation.report; say "baz" | ||
| camelia | rakudo fd3e68: OUTPUT«foobarbaz» | ||
| lizmat | I just realized I already have something of an API for disregarding deprecation messages, or show them during runtime | 20:18 | |
| moritz | jnthn: will probably needs lots of small fixes with $(BAT) and $(EXE) postfixes | 20:22 | |
| windows-- # double reboot after upgrades | |||
| jnthn | moritz: OK :) | 20:23 | |
| moritz: I'll see what I can do | |||
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| arnsholt & # Zzzzz | 20:30 | ||
| lizmat | gnight arnsholt! | ||
| jnthn | o/ arnsholt | 20:31 | |
| diakopter | moritz: you got Windows 8.1? :D | ||
| moritz | diakopter: I have no idea. I simply installed the ~84 "important updates" that the windows updater suggest a few days ago | 20:32 | |
| then booted into linux again | |||
| and tonight I booted into windows, and immediately regretted it | |||
| it took some time, did another reboot, and now suggested that I install another 8 updates | 20:33 | ||
| "No, thanks" | |||
| diakopter | ah yes. open the "Store" in the windows 8 view, and it might prompt you for win 8.1 | ||
| moritz just wants to test if stuff compiles under windows. That's all. | |||
| lue | .oO(Get fresh air. Break Windows.) |
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| diakopter | .oO( complete the loop; defenestrate Windows. ) |
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| benabik | This is why my Windows runs in a VM 90% of the time. | 20:35 | |
| jnthn | I love how the Wikipedia article features sections on "Notable defenestrations in history" and "Self-defenestration" :D | 20:37 | |
| lizmat going down for Mavericks upgrade | 20:50 | ||
| wish me luch :-) | |||
| luck rather :-) | |||
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| lue | good /lʌx/ lizmat o/ :) | 20:51 | |
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| lue | .oO("there are other wonderful irregularities to be had in the elseif and else forms too, involving colons and who knows what." that can't be so bad... *looks up PHP conditionals* ...why) |
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| jnthn | lue: hahaha :) | 20:54 | |
| lue | why { do these things } because($PHP); | 20:55 | |
| It's safe to say I will not be touching the colon forms, and I feel a smidge too lazy to bother with the brace-less stuff either. :) | 20:56 | ||
| jnthn | I'm curious where on earth they were taken from | 20:57 | |
| I had no idea PHP let you write it that way until I wsa carefully reading the docs while setting the PHPish exercise :) | 20:58 | ||
| lue | 0..* Things Wrong with PHP: 1) $$variable 2) end_if 3) ... [to be continued] | ||
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| benabik | ... end_if? | 20:59 | |
| lue | benabik: endif actually. www.php.net/manual/en/control-struc...elseif.php and www.php.net/manual/en/control-struc...syntax.php | 21:00 | |
| jnthn | I would not be surprised :P | ||
| geekosaur | "let's pretend we're algol" (except algol was way saner...) | ||
| benabik | WTF is that | 21:01 | |
| lue | I really should read the PHP docs sometime; whenever I hear about PHP's features it seems like the docs'd be a hilarious read. | ||
| benabik: *obviously*, TIMTOWTDI taken to 11 :D | |||
| benabik | Oh dear. That actually vaguely makes sense with the <?php> forms | 21:02 | |
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| lue | jnthn: I think once I get through the rest of Ex. 6 and Day 2, I feel like maybe tackling slangs as a starter contribution :P (so I could do things like that why{}because block I showed earlier in Perl 6) | 21:03 | |
| jnthn | lue: Cool. I think FROGGS++ has also been pondering slangs and wrote up some bits of them | 21:05 | |
| FROGGS | I want to provide a pattern that just works as a module, yes | 21:06 | |
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| lue | jnthn: because just about every module idea for Perl 6 I have involves slangs, and it's kinda silly I still can't do "foo" ~~ ☃foo☄ or why { say "hi" } because(True); :) | 21:07 | |
| jnthn | lue: I fear your future module collection :D | ||
| lue will try to find/look at what FROGGS has done sometime. | |||
| FROGGS | lue: I'll ping you when there is progress :o) | 21:08 | |
| lue | (there's also the snarky error message module, but that requires changes to the spec and/or implementation of supercede/augment) | ||
| lue & | |||
| dalek | p/config: 9a1455c | (Tobias Leich)++ | src/vm/moar/ (2 files): wire up and use nqp::backendconfig This is just lacking a fresh stage0 to work. |
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| Mouq | rn: say("_ a " ~~ / a? /) | 21:20 | |
| camelia | rakudo fd3e68, niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«｢｣» | ||
| Mouq | This a WAT for me | ||
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| Mouq | rn: say("_ a " ~~ / . . a? /) # Thankfully | 21:20 | |
| camelia | rakudo fd3e68, niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«｢_ a｣» | ||
| jnthn | Mouq: It matches at index 0 :) | 21:21 | |
| It only goes scanning if it fails to match | 21:22 | ||
| Mouq | rn: say "_ a " ~~ / <?after .> a / | 21:23 | |
| camelia | niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Unsuppored elements in after list at /tmp/jeUJbpEguV line 1:------> say "_ a " ~~ / <?after .⏏> a /Unhandled exception: Check failed at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting l…» | ||
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| Mouq | rn: say "_ a " ~~ / <?after .> a? / #oop | ||
| camelia | niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Unsuppored elements in after list at /tmp/Mbx5IPIfeI line 1:------> say "_ a " ~~ / <?after .⏏> a? / #oopUnhandled exception: Check failed at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.set…» | ||
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| Mouq | p5eval: "_ a " =~ /a?/ | 21:24 | |
| p5eval | Mouq: 1 | ||
| Mouq | p5eval: "_ a " =~ /(a?)/; $1 | ||
| p5eval | Mouq: No output | ||
| Mouq | Okay. I'm not sure why I'd expect it to mean anything other than "match nothing or something" | 21:26 | |
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| lizmat | .oO( seems Mavericks works ) |
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| tadzik | first thing that Maverick brings to my mind is an Ubuntu release, the second is what Counter-Strike uses instead of Colt since 1.6 :) | 21:48 | |
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| lizmat | Mavericks is OS X 10.9 | 21:53 | |
| fwiw, it feels a *bit* faster | |||
| $ make install | 21:54 | ||
| Agreeing to the Xcode/iOS license requires admin privileges, please re-run as root via sudo. | |||
| :-( | |||
| jnthn | fail | 21:55 | |
| geekosaur | sadly typical | 21:56 | |
| lizmat | hmmm... seems I need to run "sudo make" just once to agree with the EULA | 21:58 | |
| after that, it's back to normal | |||
| ok, doing several GB on updates of Aperture/Keynote/iMovie/iPhoto still... | 21:59 | ||
| I'll let it run its course while slep& | |||
| so gnight, #perl6! | |||
| lue | good ♞ lizmat o/ | 22:00 | |
| geekosaur | yes, you only need to accept the license once per code upgrade | ||
| *xcode | |||
| lue | rn: say "_ a" ~~ / a? /; | ||
| camelia | rakudo fd3e68, niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«｢｣» | ||
| lue | I would expect that ? to be greedy, and to not need to be from the start unless I use ^/^^ | 22:01 | |
| timotimo | early match trumps longer match, no? | ||
| jnthn | aye | 22:03 | |
| 'night o/ | |||
| Mouq | \o night lizmat, jnthn | 22:04 | |
| colomon | o/ | 22:05 | |
| Mouq | rn: say "_ a " ~~ / a || ''/ | ||
| camelia | rakudo fd3e68, niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«｢｣» | ||
| Mouq | rn: say "_ a " ~~ / a | ''/ | ||
| camelia | rakudo fd3e68, niecza v24-98-g473bd20: OUTPUT«｢｣» | ||
| Mouq | Or wait, just lizmat? | 22:07 | |
| Mouq needs to go to bed himself, so the ambiguity is somewhat self-resolving | 22:09 | ||
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| Mouq | cya #perl6 | 22:09 | |
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| diakopter upgrades to Mavericks and Win 8.1 at the same time .. on the same computer... | 22:17 | ||
| geekosaur | you like having everything explode at the same time? | 22:20 | |
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| diakopter | :) | 22:21 | |
| lue | diakopter: I would recommend you also go do a major and potentially breaking upgrade to a linux system, but I can't think of one :P | 22:24 | |
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| Tene | lue: any no-longer-maintained release of a distro | 22:38 | |
| [Coke] wakes up. | 22:47 | ||
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| lue | .oO(PHPish: it's funnier how while loops took no time at all, after my annoyances with if statments.) |
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| dalek | p: fc3b77f | coke++ | docs/ops.markdown: Document backend specific behavior of null_s Resolves issue #142 |
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| japhb__ | .tell lizmat just got this deprecation error: "Method gimme (from List) called at: lib/Panda/App.pm, line 54 Please use 'tc' instead." Wat? | 23:23 | |
| D'oh! No yoleaux | |||
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| timotimo | haha, wat :) | 23:32 | |
| probably has something to do with "hidden_from_backtrace"? | 23:33 | ||
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