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Set by sorear on 25 June 2013.
lue r: my Array[Int] @a = 1,2,3; say @a.perl; @a[1] = Mu; say @a.perl 00:00
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«Type check failed in assignment to '@a'; expected 'Array[Int]' but got 'Int'␤ in method REIFY at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:8320␤ in method reify at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:7196␤ in method reify at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:7183␤ in method reify a…»
..rakudo-jvm 413650: OUTPUT«Type check failed in assignment to '@a'; expected 'Array[Int]' but got 'Int'␤ in method REIFY at gen/jvm/CORE.setting:8294␤ in block at gen/jvm/CORE.setting:7177␤ in block at gen/jvm/CORE.setting:7167␤ in block at gen/jvm/CORE.setting:7267␤…»
lizmat r: my @a is default(42); say @a; say @a[0]:exists; @a[0] = Nil; say @a[0]:exists
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650, rakudo-jvm 413650: OUTPUT«␤False␤True␤»
lizmat even without the "is default": 00:01
my @a; say @a; say @a[0]:exists; @a[0] = Nil; say @a[0]:exists
r: my @a; say @a; say @a[0]:exists; @a[0] = Nil; say @a[0]:exists
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650, rakudo-jvm 413650: OUTPUT«␤False␤True␤»
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lizmat lue: or are you agreeing with me :-) 00:02
lue Would I be able to, say, assign a Mu or Any to an Array[Int] to do what Nil does now?
lizmat nope, not according to spec afaik
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lue :/ I just like how Nil lets me set a spot as a type object / default value without me caring too much about it. 00:03
.oO(maybe a new Nada thing for old Nil behavior? ☺)
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lue lizmat: I don't object to the ":delete synonym" behavior of Nil by the way. I just happen to like Nil's current behavior too :) 00:04
lizmat the spec actually states: If the container's contents are deleted, the value is notionally set to the provided default value; this value may or may not be physically represented in memory, depending on the implementation of the container. You should officially not care about that (much).
but it's not consistent with :delete (is my feeling) 00:05
lue lizmat: I suppose I'm thinking of times where my Array should really be a Buf, in terms of what I'm caring about :D
timotimo i don't want to do the code moving :( 00:06
lizmat anyways, busy day coming up and relatively early rise
so sleep& 00:07
lue ♞ lizmat o/ 00:08
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dalek ecs: 2387578 | larry++ | S07-lists.pod:
mention that we force sink context on some loops
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TimToady moritz: thinking about tap/map, I'd say map always returns a Supply that you can put further taps on, but a tap is an endpoint, and closing a tap is done from the user end rather than the supplier end 01:45
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timotimo has had hiccups for about 1 hour now 02:42
colomon :( 02:46
timotimo makes it very hard to fall asleep
colomon I can imagine. 02:48
timotimo drinking a big glass of water didn't help
colomon rj: say sprintf("%.1f", 1.969) 02:50
camelia rakudo-jvm 413650: OUTPUT«1.0␤»
colomon I am having problems recompiling nqp and the rakudo.
I fixed that test locally, I think, but I am having one heck of time getting rakudo rebuilt with my nqp changes. 02:52
I did it somehow, once. But I don't know what I did. 02:53
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timotimo i shall try lying down again :\ 03:06
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moritz TimToady: ok, thanks for the explanation 06:21
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[Coke] [A 07:15
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[Coke] "ww" 07:18
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clkao_ win 25 10:09
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timotimo o/ 10:50
FROGGS \o
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masak clkao_: you win 25 internets :) 11:09
oh o/, Perl6
#perl6*
timotimo hiccups ... nooooo :( 11:11
masak .oO( #firstworldproblems ) 11:14
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timotimo you may think it's funny, but it actually quite hurts :( 11:34
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timotimo no perl6 tuits have been spent yet today? 12:53
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tadzik because it's friday: www.belarr.com/bakercat/ 12:54
(sound obligatory) 12:55
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timotimo te hiccups are back :\ 13:05
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jnap just catching up on advent, and I have to say, perl6advent.wordpress.com/2013/12/1...16-slangs/ is very cool 14:36
I do wonder though if we need to support everything in Perl5 for it to be very useful. Perhaps the subset of Perl5 we consider modern is fine? 14:37
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FROGGS jnap: my goal is that we can use Perl 5 modules, and these will tell us what v5 would need to support 14:56
colomon jnap: I don't think… oh, he can speak for himself. :)
FROGGS :o) 14:57
colomon FROGGS++ # nice post 14:58
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FROGGS thanks 14:58
skids timotimo: you know the glass-of-water is just a device to make you hold your breath. CO2 calms the hiccup nerve.
jnap FROGGS: being able to pull in some important bits of my regular stack would really help. DBIx::Class and Plack being the two most important things that I don't see coming to P6 anytime quickly. But that involves DBI and so forth, so might be hard :( 15:00
I did see a PSGI/Plack perl6 project somewhere but not sure how evolved it was. given how much more Perl6 has out of the box it might be worth revisting the PSGI spec and porting it to something that makes sense for Perl6 15:01
FROGGS okay, then I target DBIx::Class (and its gazillion deps) when tackling the next things to do 15:04
moritz XS!
FROGGS O.o 15:05
ó.ò
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japhb DBIx::Class and similar beasts are probably much more suited to implementation in Perl 6 than they were to Perl 5. Having a strong metamodel and type system is pretty damn cool when you're creating interfaces to foreign data models. (Speaking from Protocol Buffers experience.) 16:20
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japhb Talking of which ... 16:21
japhb wonders whether to hack p6-pb, Net::IRC, or MAIN_HELPER
.oO( HACK ALL THE THINGS )
FROGGS jnthn: are you still there? 16:22
japhb FROGGS: I believe he has already begun his travels.
FROGGS k
maybe somebody else can help, so I'll tell:
I try to access the symbols of an enum in sub EXPORT_SYMBOL in traits.pm, but I fail to do so... has somebody an idea? 16:23
japhb p: say Enum.^mro 16:24
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«(Enum) (Any) (Mu)␤»
japhb say Enum.^methods
p: say Enum.^methods
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«new BUILD invert key kv value keys values pairs fmt at_key FLATTENABLE_LIST FLATTENABLE_HASH of ACCEPTS Str perl␤»
FROGGS japhb: I can't call these methods there...
japhb goes to look 16:25
Er, why can't you access those methods? 16:27
FROGGS maybe they get added later?
japhb Oh, hmmm. 16:28
FROGGS traits.pm comes right after the prolog
japhb prolog?
Oh, you mean, before most of the setting. 16:29
FROGGS yeah 16:30
/usr/bin/perl tools/build/gen-cat.pl parrot src/core/core_prologue.pm src/core/traits.pm src/core/Positional.pm ...
japhb p: enum Foo < bar baz >; say Foo.WHAT; 16:32
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«(Foo)␤»
japhb p: enum Foo < bar baz >; say Foo.^mro;
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«(Foo) (Int) (Cool) (Any) (Mu)␤»
japhb p: enum Foo < bar baz >; say bar.^mro; 16:33
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«(Foo) (Int) (Cool) (Any) (Mu)␤»
japhb p: enum Foo < bar baz >; say Foo.^roles;
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«No such method 'roles' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::EnumHOW'␤ in block at /tmp/uUxmuttE_H:1␤ in any at /tmp/uUxmuttE_H:1␤ in any at gen/parrot/stage2/NQPHLL.nqp:1146␤ in any eval at gen/parrot/stage2/NQPHLL.nqp:1133␤ in any e…»
japhb p: enum Foo < bar baz >; say Foo.HOW.WHAT 16:34
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«(Perl6::Metamodel::EnumHOW)␤»
FROGGS I think enum Foo results in a class Foo with bar and baz being nested classes... so I thought I can access it via .HOW
japhb p: enum Foo < bar baz >; say Foo.HOW.^methods
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«No such method 'gist' for invocant of type 'NQPRoutine'␤ in method gist at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:6807␤ in method gist at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:1014␤ in sub say at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:12960␤ in block at /tmp/C2UVFjDoJ6:1␤ in any a…»
japhb p: enum Foo < bar baz >; .Str.say for Foo.HOW.^methods 16:35
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«No such method 'Str' for invocant of type 'NQPRoutine'␤ in block at /tmp/PEbTPvQXZw:1␤ in any at /tmp/PEbTPvQXZw:1␤ in any at gen/parrot/stage2/NQPHLL.nqp:1146␤ in any eval at gen/parrot/stage2/NQPHLL.nqp:1133␤ in any evalfiles at gen/p…»
FROGGS p: enum Foo < bar baz >; say Foo.HOW
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«Perl6::Metamodel::EnumHOW.new()␤»
japhb p: enum Foo < bar baz >; say Foo.HOW.^methods>>.name
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«archetypes new new_type add_enum_value enum_values enum_from_value enum_value_list compose set_composalizer composalize does_list set_name name set_stash_type add_stash add_attribute compose_attributes set_rw rw get_attribute_for_usage attributes add_met…»
FROGGS p: enum Foo < bar baz >; say nqp::how(Foo)
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«Perl6::Metamodel::EnumHOW.new()␤»
japhb Ah-hah! 16:36
p: enum Foo < bar baz >; say Foo.^enum_values
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«("bar" => 0, "baz" => 1).hash␤»
FROGGS p: enum Foo < bar baz >; say Foo.HOW.enum_values(Foo) # I tried that 16:37
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«("bar" => 0, "baz" => 1).hash␤»
japhb loves exploring around the metamodel
TimToady wonders how many geeks are drawn unconsciously into this by tickling the "met a model" neurons.. 16:38
japhb heh
Timbus: Did you want to do the concurrent version of Net--IRC yourself, or accept a PR for it? 16:40
TimToady snowing here, which is yay in the "Californian who rarely sees snow" sense
japhb TimToady: Where is "here"?
TimToady Seattle
japhb Ah. Given that it's going to be in the 60's for the next week here, I'm doubting we'll get any precipitation at all, let alone snow. 16:41
TimToady realizes the Chicagoans are not particularly impresses by an inch or so of snow :)
*pressed
well, yeah, SF is going to have the dryest calendar year on record 16:42
japhb Having grown up in a snowy place, neither am I. Sure fun to watch the rubes freak out, though. :-)
TimToady well, I also grew up here, so it's not like it's a brand new thing
but having lived in LA and MV for the last, oh, 33 years, I haven't had much snow since then 16:43
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TimToady though it did, in fact, snow in the San Fernando Valley, and stuck 0.25" for the first time in living memory, just before we moved to the bay area 16:44
japhb preflex: ask Timbus Did you want to do the concurrent version of Net--IRC yourself, or accept a PR for it?
preflex Consider it noted.
TimToady Heidi made a snowman that was about 3 inches tall
japhb heh
It's portable -- just not to anywhere warm. :-) 16:45
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FROGGS japhb: `say sym.^enum_values;` results in an empty hash :o( 17:05
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FROGGS wait 17:06
in this example, the export might even run before the enum elems are known: module Foo { enum NN is export <Abe Bay> }; import Foo 17:07
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FROGGS damn it, that enum is created after exporting it 17:26
so I might need to store something like a call to REQUIRE_IMPORT in the ast 17:27
japhb What does that do?
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japhb Ah, implements runtime import. 17:30
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FROGGS but... no, that would not work 17:41
I need the symbols at compile time
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timotimo is jnthn already long-time-afk? 18:01
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lizmat timotimo: yes, he was travelling today to his family 18:09
preflex lizmat: you have 2 new messages. '/msg preflex messages' to read them.
lizmat and am expecting he's spending some quality time afk 18:10
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lizmat this just in on perl6advent: ".defined is a verb (method), even though it's being used grammatically as an adjective. Yet, :delete is an adverb, but grammatically a verb. Why is .defined a verb but :exists an adverb? Those choices are a bit confusing to me" 18:30
I'm not sure what to answer there, as I missed most of the discussions as to how and why 18:31
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timotimo i wonder how to get the protected static inner class in my superclass 18:45
i guess i'll just expose a method that does nothing but return a new instance of that class >_>
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timotimo oh my. i have to rebuild all of rakudo to get changes in the RakudoJavaInterop to stick :( 18:46
this'll take a while :(
raiph lizmat: fwiw I also thought "can I test definedness of a slice? why :exists but .defined?" 18:51
xenoterracide are arrays in function parameters slurpy? can I do sub foo ( @bar, @baz ) { ... } ? 18:58
raiph p: sub f(@a,*@b) {say @b}; f [1], 1,2,3 # this? 19:07
camelia rakudo-parrot 413650: OUTPUT«1 2 3␤»
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xenoterracide probably, interesting 19:09
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timotimo i can't get nqp::jvmrakudointerop to work :( 19:24
it says no such method 'jast' for invocant of type nqpmu 19:25
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FROGGS[mobile] so there is something null-ish again in your ast 19:31
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moritz when I run 'make m-test', all tests produce "No subtests run" 19:37
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moritz but when I run perl t/harness --moar t/01-sanity (which is what make m-test calls), all tests succeed 19:37
FROGGS[mobile] moritz: can you change the merge=>1 to 0 and run m-test again? 19:39
you should then see what fails
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moritz so "no subtests run" 19:39
FROGGS[mobile] hmmm 19:40
you are sure it passes --moar to t/harness?
moritz yes 19:41
FROGGS[mobile] weird
moritz curiosuly changing the verbisoty to 1 make the tests pass to
except that t/01-sanity/20-defined.t fails an assetion in the end 19:42
moar: 3rdparty/libuv/src/unix/loop.c:150: uv__loop_delete: Assertion `!((((*(&(loop)->active_reqs))[0]) == (&(loop)->active_reqs)) == 0)' failed.
FROGGS[mobile] both indicate a problem with stderr/stdout filehandles
for one that we might need the fix that jnthn pushed as windows-only 19:45
even when I think that a NYI thing for libuv on linux is unlikely 19:46
a test would be to pipe both stderr and stdout to somewhere and see how reliable that is 19:48
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FROGGS[mobile] if libuv gave us the same handle in both cases we were in trouble (as we are now) 19:50
FROGGS moritz: that fail for you too? nqp-m -e 'nqp::say(42)' >>/dev/null 2>&1 19:55
timotimo with optimize=0 and optimize=3 i don't get past Test.pm :( 19:58
is that expected?
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FROGGS no, I had thought optimize=0 would work 19:59
moritz FROGGS: it produces an exist status of 0 20:00
timotimo should it get past Test.pm?
FROGGS moritz: k, :o( 20:01
timotimo: yes
timotimo :(
FROGGS timotimo: what about --optimize=1 ?=
timotimo i can try that 20:02
and --debug?
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FROGGS doesn't hurt 20:03
moritz: I can't reproduce it on my box 20:08
moritz FROGGS: :/
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FROGGS is Perl 5's `goto &name` like our `nextwith &name`? 20:27
timotimo should we get bindings to TkInter for perl6? so that we can has pretty UIs? :P 20:28
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TimToady FROGGS: no, would be more like &name.callsame 20:36
well, .nextsame 20:37
FROGGS k, thank you
TimToady dunno if rakudo does the method form yet
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lue 🌲 hello world o/ 20:55
dalek kudo/nom: 2b027b4 | (Tobias Leich)++ | src/core/Backtrace.pm:
addjust paths to new directory layout
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lue TimToady: I just realized, we have a function that does "char" → Unicode properties, but no function to do properties → <list of chars> (to do things like Foo(:Name(/:sPLAYING CARD/) for a deck of cards). I'm stuck on a name though :) 21:11
My only good thought so far is propsuni, though that could easily get confusing.
FROGGS propsuni does not sound very perlish 21:12
dalek kudo-star-daily: 3f2f537 | coke++ | log/ (5 files):
today (automated commit)
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TimToady do we need that function when we can just grep a list of chars?
[Coke] ponders writing his article.
moritz or we can regex-search for uni props 21:14
lue TimToady: I don't imagine a gather/take setup with uniprops($_.chr) for ^0x11_0000 is very efficient :/ 21:15
I just chose the :Name() property because it was the easiest one to write a valid example for. :) 21:16
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TimToady how would your function be more efficient than scanning all the entries? 21:17
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lue TimToady: I noticed that. There's still the "a lot of people will want to do this at some point" thing in any case :) 21:19
TimToady I guess the lists of chars are available for various properties, as long as it's a simple query
but scanning names isn't going to be much more efficient than a grep of all chars with a regex for the uni prop 21:20
lue TimToady: another idea is to add adverbs to &uniprops, to cut down on the search time. uniprops($_, :Unicode_1_Name) will only return Unicode_1_Name and na1 pairs in the Hash.
TimToady don't over-engineer it
but maybe that's okay
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lue my @a; for ^0x11_0000 { @a.push(chr($_)) if uniprops(chr($_))<na1> ~~ /SIGN/ } <-- I'm concerned over if this action will occur often enough for this snippet to be too much. 21:22
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lue (though it's easily within the realm of modules...) 21:22
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lue If we go with an adverb in uniprops, I don't know if we'd want the adverb to return a Hash with Pairs for all the aliases for the property name, or if it's just the name you used. 21:24
e.g. does uniprops($a, :na1) return a Hash of Unicode_1_Name => "*", na1 => "*" or just na1 = "*" ? 21:25
TimToady my @a = do for ^0x11_0000 { my $c = .chr; $c if $c ~~ /:name(/SIGN>)/ }
er, /<:name(/SIGN/)>/ 21:26
or sump'n like that
lue there's that, I suppose :) 21:27
It's just that I realized "hey waitaminute, how do I do that‽" . I see now that there are ways, and a custom-made function isn't guaranteed to fair better than the existing solutions.
s/fair/fare/
(Of course, limiting the area of your search helps there, e.g. for 0x10_0000..^0x11_0000 to not bother with the BMP.) 21:29
And I'll refrain from adding adverbs to the uniprops function unless/until it's shown that uniprops("a" :Name) is much faster than uniprops("a")<Name> 21:32
FROGGS TimToady: we have subscripts for arrays and hashes, can we have something like that for accessing object attributes too?
TimToady how slow do you want it to run? 21:33
diakopter all the slows 21:35
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FROGGS I basically want: class Foo { has $.a; has $.b }; my @a-and-b = Foo.new( :a(42), b(42) ).<<a b>> or so 21:36
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FROGGS (a more beautiful version please :o) 21:37
educated_poo Did I miss the December Rakudo release?
lue FROGSS: Foo⁅bar⁆ ? :) [yeah, we'll probably have to play with Unicode to get something] 21:39
FROGGS ohh, cleaning the screen doesnt help O.o
nah, would be cool if we could use < > in combination with ( ) 21:40
lue Even better: since you want a hash-y access for attributes (which you normally get with Foo.bar), I found a better bracket pair: Foo⦑bar⦒
FROGGS .<(a b)> ? I guess that is too confusing
raydiak Foo<{([| a b |])}> :)
FROGGS hehe
raydiak: at least this one isnt takes yet *g* 21:41
taken*
TimToady educated_poo: no, still in the works
lue r: say "Foo\x[2993]bar\x[2994]"
camelia rakudo-parrot 2b027b, rakudo-jvm 2b027b: OUTPUT«Foo⦓bar⦔␤»
lue FROGGS: there's your < + ( ☺
educated_poo Okay, thanks.
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FROGGS lue: my font does not like it :o( 21:42
lue The stuff I've presented so far could have these Texas versions: [-bar-], <.bar.>, and <(bar)> 21:43
FROGGS .oO( Foo:o(<a b>) )
I like <(bar)>, but I have the urge to quote the bar there
lue p: say <"bar">.perl; say «"bar"».perl 21:44
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camelia rakudo-parrot 2b027b: OUTPUT«"\"bar\""␤"bar"␤» 21:44
FROGGS p: class Foo { has $.a; has $.b }; say Foo.^attributes 21:45
camelia rakudo-parrot 2b027b: OUTPUT«Mu $!a Mu $!b␤»
ajr_ Overdoing the weird characters runs the risk of emulating APL and enjoying the same popularity. 21:46
FROGGS p: class Foo { has $.a; has $.b }; say Foo.new( :a(42) ).^attributes(<$!a>) # I'd be happy if that does it
camelia rakudo-parrot 2b027b: OUTPUT«Mu $!a Mu $!b␤»
lue ajr_: we're too late. We have been since we decided to allow Unicode operators :D
ajr_: we also have "Texas" versions of all the core Unicode-based operators. 21:47
FROGGS lue: nah, important things are still ascii-ish
lue ∪ is considered important in some circles :)
(don't listen to me; I rather enjoy the look (if not feel) of APL) 21:48
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raydiak I remember one of my former employers mocking Perl 6, with something like this in mind: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...keybd2.svg 21:51
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raydiak anyway, I did have something on topic to ask: can the R* MSI install the JVM backend? 21:56
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FROGGS raydiak: I have not seen patches which would make me think that 21:57
TimToady R* does not yet support jvm, maybe next one 21:58
lizmat is tired and goes to bed 22:00
raydiak thanks FROGGS++ and TimToady++ , all I needed to know for now...back to my spheres and cubes :)
FROGGS :o)
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FROGGS if someone does the jvm+R*, I could support him/her 22:01
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lue raydiak: yeah, I don't like that keyboard. Not nearly as featureful as the Space Cadet. 22:03
lue &
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raydiak lue: I've never used such a thing, but think I saw something similar in a nightmare once :) 22:10
FROGGS: what does that entail, generally speaking? 22:11
FROGGS build system hacking 22:12
and we would need to able to build the modules of course
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raydiak I've been mulling over which ways I could best help, and it doesn't escape my notice that MSI releases are sporadic, and I have a windows box; where can I read about how the MSI is produced? 22:19
FROGGS raydiak: here github.com/rakudo/star 22:22
I did the star release in august and september or so
treehug88 Hey TimToady : just wanted to personally thank you for perl and for making my software development life so, so much better. Thank you.
... and I know it's not JUST timtoady - so thanks to all the other players as well 22:23
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raydiak FROGGS: I'll read about it and hassle you if/when I pursue it; life is busy atm, but I would love to contribute something concrete sooner or later 22:52
FROGGS raydiak: I'll be here :o) 22:53
raydiak on a mostly unrelated note, there's another Pray image up, CSG is almost working, and releasing this year is still quite likely 22:59
FROGGS \o/
raydiak++
raydiak I hope spouting off about my own project here isn't too obnoxious...it's mostly b/c nobody around me IRL knows what any of that means :)
FROGGS link? 23:00
raydiak cyberuniverses.com/pray/#pray-image-8
[Coke] editing in the wordpress editor is very annoying. I have a preformatted block. I'm trying to change the next paragraph to "paragraph" style. it changes the preformatted block also. ARGH.
FROGGS raydiak: you need an environment map :o) 23:01
[Coke] any pointers on how to edit stuff in wordpress ?
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raydiak FROGGS: what I need is much more powerful hardware...my $5/mo VPS isn't going to cut it much longer for running Pray :) 23:04
FROGGS [Coke]: no idea
raydiak: how long does it take to render the last image? 23:05
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[Coke] and it loses leading spaces on preformatted code... wtf? 23:05
FROGGS I remember the time when I rendered stuff using 3dsmax on a dual eleron 466MHz... most stuff took a day for a single image 23:06
raydiak [Coke]: don't use the WYSIWYG editor?
[Coke] raydiak: then I have to format it when I paste it in later. Just trying to save a step.
I cannot be the first advent poster to have this issue.
raydiak FROGGS: it depends on a lot on the scene and there's a lot of polishing to be done, but the last image took somewhere in the 5-10 hour range, while I slept
FROGGS yeah, and then you spot a glitch and you don't intent to sleep again for another 10 hours :/ 23:07
raydiak [Coke]: I had several issues with it, as I have with pretty much every web-based WYSIWYG HTML editor I've used in my lifetime 23:08
FROGGS raydiak: do you know the brazil renderer plugin of 3dsmax?
raydiak FROGGS: that's the game right now...last night's CSG render didn't come out like I was hoping either
FROGGS: nope, I don't have much experience w/3dsmax 23:09
FROGGS it rendered to independent buckets, and several threads an run in parallel where each renders a single bucket
so if you can render a, say, 32 by 32 pixel area in a channel on the jvm.... that might speed it up a "bit" 23:10
raydiak hmmm...the p5 version of pray would SCP itself over the network and then call itself over ssh and wait for the results from each such node
iow, multithreading is definitely in the works, and maybe poor man's clustering like I just described, too 23:11
FROGGS ahh, so you can even run it on several machines for one image?
that is nice :o)
raydiak it was out of necessity, in a way...the unofficial subtitle of the p5 version was "Pray (that you're still living by the time it's done rendering)" 23:13
but that was like a decade ago, too, so hardware was slower 23:14
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FROGGS gnight 23:22
raydiak \o
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lue [Coke]: I personally type up my post in my good ol' text editor (just plain text for me, others differ), and then paste it into the non-WYSIWYG tab of editor, and do the sensitive handling of code blocks and stuff before I go back to WYSIWYG mode. 23:25
(i.e. I keep Wp from applying destructive formatting changes until after I've protected what would be destroyed.)
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japhb_ p: say 512 * 512 / (5 * 60 * 60) 23:57
camelia rakudo-parrot 2b027b: OUTPUT«14.563556␤»
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japhb_ So raydiak's latest image rendered at ~ 10 pixels per second. 23:58
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japhb_ It would be fun to get an order of magnitude or two improvement there. 23:58
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