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llfourn .tell nine There is still an issue with RT #128156. But it now only fails for me 1/3 of the time :). See ticket. 06:36
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=128156
yoleaux llfourn: I'll pass your message to nine.
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wamba m: perl6 -e 'say (^12).rotor(1 .. *,:partial)' 08:04
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/PxO9eFGRl2␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/PxO9eFGRl2:1␤------> 3perl6 -e7⏏5 'say (^12).rotor(1 .. *,:partial)'␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ postfix␤ …»
wamba m: say (^12).rotor(1 .. *,:partial)
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«((0) (1 2) (3 4 5) (6 7 8 9) (10 11))␤»
wamba m: say (^10).rotor(1,3 ... *, :partial ) 08:05
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«(timeout)» 08:06
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nadim Morning 08:51
sortiz \o nadim 08:52
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RabidGravy mornin 08:55
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masak good antenoon, #perl6 09:20
llfourn good evening, masak
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masak m: my $x = 0; say $x ≅ 0 :tolerance(1e-3) 09:53
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/Pvx3eWkBNW␤You can't adverb &infix:<≅>␤at /tmp/Pvx3eWkBNW:1␤------> 3my $x = 0; say $x ≅ 0 :tolerance(1e-3)7⏏5<EOL>␤»
masak can't adverb? o rly?
how do I $x ≅ 0 :tolerance ? 09:54
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bartolin m: my $x = 0; say ($x ≅ 0, :tolerance(1e-3)) 10:00
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«(True tolerance => 0.001)␤»
bartolin like that?
no, probably not ... 10:01
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masak nope, that's just printing a pair, not passing an adverb. 10:04
I believe I haz found... a bug
masak .oO( dun dun DUN )
masak submits rakudobug
bartolin masak++ 10:05
sortiz m: my $x = 0.0001e0; say infix:<≅> $x, 0, :tolerance(1e-3); # Indeed a bug, this works.
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«True␤»
nine has long given up on backlogging #perl6 10:06
yoleaux 06:36Z <llfourn> nine: There is still an issue with RT #128156. But it now only fails for me 1/3 of the time :). See ticket.
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=128156
nine llfourn: thanks! Will have a look at it
masak sortiz: added your comment to the RT ticket. thanks. 10:09
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neuron Hi, which method should I override so that it will convert my object into string? 10:14
llfourn neuron: probably Str 10:15
m: class Foo { method Str { "WIN" } }; my $a = Foo.new; say "$a" 10:16
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«WIN␤»
neuron hmmm, that is what I tried, something else is wrong ... 10:17
llfourn m: class Foo { method Str { "WIN" }; method gist {"GIST" } }; my $a = Foo.new; say $a; say "$a"; 10:19
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«GIST␤WIN␤»
llfourn it depends exactly how it is being turned into a string 10:20
neuron Ah! gist method
llfourn: Thank you
llfourn ya, quotes "" will call .Str but core routines will often .gist your objects to get a summary of them
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llfourn np :) 10:20
neuron Now it core dumps, but that is expected :)
llfourn o.o 10:21
iH2O bugs are the norm?
llfourn I guess neuron is doing something with NatveCall :) 10:22
neuron I'm trying to do some Qt binding, yes.
Somehow the objects constructors are called more ofthen to what I would like to see, but now at least I'm able to reach the object value
iH2O keep us informed neuron 10:23
llfourn never used NativeCall
neuron Also I modified Nativecall itself, which did not bring more stability exactly :)
llfourn heh
neuron iH2O: If I'll have anything to show, I will. 10:24
It's my way of learning Perl 6 :)
iH2O you'll have something genial to show, even if that takes 20 years
neuron by definition produces only genial things 10:25
It's only that the rest of the world may think otherwise
iH2O the world will be ready for your genius in 20 years, trust me 10:27
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neuron :-) 10:32
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RabidGravy m: gist.github.com/jonathanstowe/beb1...d0a34c6d16 11:08
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«with attribute␤set␤with foo␤default␤Cannot call BUILD(Zub: Str); none of these signatures match:␤ (Bar $: Str :$foo!, *%_)␤ (Bar $: :attribute($!attribute)!, *%_)␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/CRb8fgaJ1b line 26␤␤»
RabidGravy is there any way round that? 11:09
timotimo why would you even "is Bar does Foo" when Bar already does Foo?
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RabidGravy it makes no actual difference, ignore that 11:10
bazzaar o/ 11:11
nine llfourn: are you on nom/master/master?
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timotimo i'm not convinced multi BUILD is a good idea, but what do i know :) 11:11
llfourn nine: I tested it with rakudobrew: g1f3ca64 is what perl6 -v shows 11:12
timotimo RabidGravy: have you tried giving it a less restricted invocant in the signatures? 11:13
RabidGravy ah
timotimo but Zub should satisfy Bar
RabidGravy no, but just doing so
timotimo oh, you have a positional in there for some reason
that's interesting, how does that happen 11:14
nine llfourn: can you re-test with nom/master/master? That I cannot reproduce a failure here and that I don't have any idea at all where a spurious failure like that could come from makes me reach to jnthn++'s recent Moar fixes
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llfourn nine: what is nom/master/master? My understanding is that the main branch of rakudo is nom (just nom)? 11:15
nine llfourn: rakudo nom, nqp master and MoarVM master
bazzaar I'm finding that SVG::Plot on Rakudo * 2016.04 produces only the svg header, using the module examples
llfourn ah ok
llfourn goes to do this
RabidGravy timotimo, yeah it was the positional thing that's confusing me
timotimo it took me a second to notice the positional 11:16
a --ll-exception may be enlightening?
nine llfourn: though I actually don't have high hopes for a different result :/ 11:17
llfourn nine: if I still get it I'll try debian (the error occurs on mac)
nine llfourn: oh a different operating system might actually explain it! I have no idea what resolution file time stamps on OS X have.
llfourn: I do know that for example fat32 has 2-second resolution of modification times which could easily screw up out-of-date detection 11:18
timotimo ugh
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bazzaar nd3i provided a patch to hopefully fix this issue, which was merged 12-Apr 11:19
llfourn nine: I did try putting sleep 2; here and there in the shell script but I don't think it had an affect :\
bazzaar .. but it seems the problem is still there, has anyone tried to use SVG::Plot recently? 11:21
RabidGravy timotimo, confusingly it appears to be in BUILDALL
timotimo which part of it? it should only call all the BUILDs with named arguments 11:22
RabidGravy well actually the added find_best_dispatchee 11:25
timotimo well, that's just because something in rakudo sucks :P
RabidGravy that code just broke my brane
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timotimo BUILDALL isn't understandable without knowing about BUILDALLPLAN 11:27
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RabidGravy to be honest that bit of code is so big that I can't follow it 11:30
timotimo BUILDALL is more or less just an interpreter
for a tiny opcode-plus-arguments based "language" that is in a little list
BUILDALLPLAN generates programs of that language and puts them into BUILDPLAN 11:31
llfourn nine: I can confirm it doesn't happen in a debian container. But it is for sure happening on mac with latest everything.
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RabidGravy timotimo, it appears that it's Perl6::Metamodel::BaseDispatcher.call_with_capture that's shagging it up 11:38
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RabidGravy or rather the capture that it is getting has been messed up somehow 11:40
timotimo huh
RabidGravy actually totally ignore me, I'm getting confused by the calls here 11:43
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titsuki Hi all. Does anyone know how to build MoarVM with a debug option using rakudobrew ? 11:47
$ rakudobrew build moar --configure-opts='--moar-option=--debug=3' does not seem to work. 11:48
llfourn nine: good news. Adding a sleep 1; after touching the file before running p6 the second time stops the problem. So it is likely a race condition involving timestamps? 11:50
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moritz llfourn: does sleep 0.1; also help? 12:01
llfourn moritz: yes! 12:02
RabidGravy timotimo, I'm going to rakudobug this because I'm totally at a loss as to what is going on 12:03
timotimo that's fine
llfourn so it's a problem of recompiling in the same 100ms as you touched the file...
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llfourn though I get the problem even after waiting 5 seconds when I'm editing the files with emacs. ie save + wait 5 seconds + run p6 = gets the error around 2/3 of the time 12:05
so with more complex dependency chains there is a higher likelyhood of the problem occuring I think
which is kinda counter to the timestamp collision theory unless rakudo is touching the files themselves? 12:06
itself*
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llfourn even if this is a not detecting-change-properly problem it shouldn't be corrupting the precomp files like it is... 12:09
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titsuki Sorryl, $ rakudobrew build moar --configure-opts='--moar-option=--debug=3' works well after the clean install. :) 12:54
timotimo oh, good to hear
if you're doing internals-hacking or tweaking, rakudobrew may bite you in the butt 12:55
fortunately, building all the parts manually is super trivial
all you have to do is give them the same --prefix and it'll be great
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loren HI, #Perl 6 13:44
join #c++
iH2O shame!
:)
C++ is patching, loren 13:45
loren ..i have a question about ^add_method
moritz then you should ask it :-) 13:46
loren en , wait ..
m: class AddM { method add { self.^add_method("getp", my method { return "getp"; });self.^compose(); } }; my $a = AddM.new(); $a.add(); say $a.getp();
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«getp␤»
loren i wonder can i use ^add_method like this ? 13:47
RabidGravy well it appears to
moritz uhm, haven't you just demonstrated that you can? :-)
RabidGravy whether you should is another matter altogether 13:48
moritz it's going to be weird though when soembody inherits from that class
loren so, ..
m: class AddM { has %hash handles < keys >; method add { self.^add_method("getp", my method { return "getp"; });self.^compose(); } }; my $a = AddM.new(); $a.add(); say $a.getp();
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«Package 'AddM' already has a method 'keys' (did you mean to declare a multi-method?)␤ in any add_method at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp line 477␤ in any compose_attributes at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp line 385␤ in any compose at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nq…»
loren why this got a compiler error
AlexDaniel m: class AddM { method add { self.^add_method("getp", my method { return "getp"; });self.^compose(); } }; my $a = AddM.new(); $a.add(); $a.add(); say $a.getp();
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«Package 'AddM' already has a method 'getp' (did you mean to declare a multi-method?)␤ in any add_method at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp line 477␤ in method add at /tmp/8rxomFUtit line 1␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/8rxomFUtit line 1␤␤»
AlexDaniel m: class AddM { method add { self.^add_method("getp", my multi method { return "getp"; });self.^compose(); } }; my $a = AddM.new(); $a.add(); $a.add(); say $a.getp();
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/duykKgW2iV␤An anonymous method may not take a multi declarator␤at /tmp/duykKgW2iV:1␤------> 3etp", my multi method { return "getp"; }7⏏5);self.^compose(); } }; my $a = AddM.new␤»
AlexDaniel so the question is how to add multi methods like this 13:49
RabidGravy loren, it's unrelated
loren ..no, handles can not use with ^add_method
RabidGravy m: class F {}; say F.keys
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«()␤»
RabidGravy so yes it really does already have a method keys 13:50
AlexDaniel well, at least my question :)
loren m: class AddM { method keys() { }; method add { self.^add_method("getp", my method { return "getp"; });self.^compose(); } }; my $a = AddM.new(); $a.add(); say $a.getp();
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«getp␤»
loren but this ok
RabidGravy yes because it over-writes the inherited one 13:51
loren o .. 13:52
RabidGravy you're confusing two things, this has nothing to do with the ^add_method
loren class AddM { has %hash handles < keys >; method getp() { "getp"; } }; my $a = AddM.new(); $a.add(); say $a.getp();
m: class AddM { has %hash handles < keys >; method getp() { "getp"; } }; my $a = AddM.new(); $a.add(); say $a.getp(); 13:53
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«Method 'add' not found for invocant of class 'AddM'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/OK6QZ1rIH2 line 1␤␤»
loren m: class AddM { has %hash handles < keys >; method getp() { "getp"; } }; my $a = AddM.new(); say $a.getp();
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«getp␤»
loren e, how about this?
RabidGravy ah, it's the time that compose is called 13:54
loren i don't understand it .. 13:55
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loren so, is possible use ^compose with handles ? The document said that compose should call after i call add_method 13:56
lizmat commute& 13:57
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RabidGravy m: class M { has %!hash handles <keys> }; M.^compose 13:57
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«Package 'M' already has a method 'keys' (did you mean to declare a multi-method?)␤ in any add_method at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp line 477␤ in any compose_attributes at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp line 385␤ in any compose at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp l…»
RabidGravy arguably a bug
it tries to re-add the handles methods 13:58
loren o.. 14:00
RabidGravy and to get it away from any builtins that somewhat obscure it
m: class B { has $.foo; }; class M { has B $!hash handles <foo> }; M.^compose'
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/NUoI1Q4uF2␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/NUoI1Q4uF2:1␤------> 3has B $!hash handles <foo> }; M.^compose7⏏5'␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ statement end␤ …»
RabidGravy m: class B { has $.foo; }; class M { has B $!hash handles <foo> }; M.^compose
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«Package 'M' already has a method 'foo' (did you mean to declare a multi-method?)␤ in any add_method at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp line 477␤ in any compose_attributes at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp line 385␤ in any compose at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp li…»
RabidGravy but arguably a bug nonetheless 14:01
loren o, thanks 14:03
I implement that method (keys values ...) my self... 14:04
RabidGravy it will call compose_attributes, which will then try to re-add the handles methods 14:05
you probably don't actually need to call the whole .^compose 14:06
loren so, this file , github.com/araraloren/Getopt-Kinok...ionSet.pm6 line 138 method generate_method , what should i do.. 14:09
RabidGravy m: class B { has %!hash handles <keys>; submethod BUILD() { self.^add_method("foo", method () { say "foo" }); self.^publish_method_cache}}; B.new.foo
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«foo␤»
RabidGravy there you go
loren ok ..
RabidGravy my general inclination would be not to do that at all, but to create a role on the fly and then mix in the new role 14:11
loren Is there a document about this method ?
RabidGravy no
loren en, 14:13
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loren thanks a lot 14:15
RabidGravy example of creating a role on the fly rather than adding methods to the class is github.com/jonathanstowe/Tinky/blo...y.pm#L1066 and then github.com/jonathanstowe/Tinky/blo...y.pm#L1123 for the application 14:22
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loren ok, but my method name is uncertainty .. 14:28
m: class Sample { has @.value; method get-value() { my $value := @!value; return Proxy.new( FETCH => method () { $value; }, STORE => method ($value) { } ); }; }; my $s = Sample.new(value => [1, 2, 3, 4]); my $value = $s.get-value();say $value.perl; say $s.value.perl;
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«$[1, 2, 3, 4]␤[1, 2, 3, 4]␤»
RabidGravy which is fine 14:29
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loren I make a proxy to class attribute @.value, but i wonder why it return a $[] not a [] 14:30
RabidGravy because it is "itemized" 14:31
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loren Is Proxy used to distinguish read and write ? 14:32
RabidGravy well it's used to capture control on reading or assignment basically 14:37
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smls Who's the go-to person for CompUnit stuff these days? lizmat? nine? 14:40
Could one of you take a look at RT #123578 and #122725 to decide if they can be closed? 14:41
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=123578
Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=122725
loren e, thanks RabidGravy :)
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nine smls: both can be closed 16:16
smls nine: Is there a way to write Roast tests for this kind of thing? 16:17
AlexDaniel is it something that is specific to roast? It does not sound like a language thing 16:22
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DrForr A few different faces here, or at least a few new nicks. 19:36
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RabidGravy I'm still here :) 19:46
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mst I'm definitely somewhere 19:51
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mst ffffff 20:00
ranguard: please harass me to put out the blog post and etc. so we can get the flipping PSIXDISTS stuff going again
I keep remembering at times when I'm too worn out to figure it out 20:01
ranguard mst: oi, sort it out!
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ranguard hopes taht's the right level of harassment :) 20:02
mst ranguard: yes. just delivered at times other than right now :) 20:03
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moritz .tell mst to get that blog post out 20:05
yoleaux moritz: I'll pass your message to mst.
moritz mst: now all you have to do is to keep quiet for a while :-)
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christeel Hi Perl6! 20:14
moritz hi christeel
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chrsteel perl6: sub set-test ( Set :$s? ) { say $s }; set-test( set() ); 20:16
camelia rakudo-jvm 40a953: OUTPUT«cannot connect to eval server: Connection refused␤»
..rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«Too many positionals passed; expected 0 arguments but got 1␤ in sub set-test at /tmp/tmpfile line 1␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/tmpfile line 1␤␤»
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smls chrsteel: `:$s` is a named parameter, not a positional parameter 20:17
chrsteel ugh..
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smls So you'd have to call the function as set-test( s => set() ); 20:17
chrsteel that was dumb of me. thanks smls!
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chrsteel perl6: sub set-test ( Set :$s? ) { say $s }; set-test( :s(∅) ); 20:20
camelia rakudo-jvm 40a953: OUTPUT«cannot connect to eval server: Connection refused␤»
..rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«set()␤»
chrsteel yep. works as expected! :-)
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DrForr Just was wondering if anyone was brought here by OSCON... I only mentioned IRC in one slide tho. 20:53
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timotimo not me, sorry to disappoint 21:30
DrForr No worries, just curious.
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RabidGravy I'm only here for the beer 21:57
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MasterDuke m: ".".IO.Str.say 22:14
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«.␤»
MasterDuke m: ".".IO.abspath.say
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«/home/camelia␤»
MasterDuke does that seem wrong to anybody else? the doc for IO::Path.Str says "Returns the full path as a string." 22:15
timotimo full path doesn't mean absolute path, just full path
MasterDuke maybe it's just semantics, but when i think of "the full path for .", i certainly think of the whole path to get to my current location 22:18
AlexDaniel that's absolute path 22:19
hm, wikipedia disagrees
MasterDuke yeah, i'm saying i think of "full path" as equal to "absolute path" 22:20
i could be thinking incorrectly of course
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AlexDaniel MasterDuke: ok, although I don't think the same way, I think that there are lots of people who will agree with you. Maybe you can clarify it a little bit in the docs? 22:20
timotimo yeah, we'd really want to have that re-worded in there 22:23
MasterDuke reword the doc to match current behavior? or change current behavior to match how i think it should be? 22:24
AlexDaniel no, I don't think that .Str should produce .abspath. Just change the doc 22:25
timotimo yeah
AlexDaniel m: say ‘../..’.IO.abspath 22:26
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«/home/camelia/../..␤»
AlexDaniel hm
MasterDuke m: say ‘../..’.IO.resolve.abspath 22:27
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«/␤»
AlexDaniel alright!
ouch… 22:28
m: say ‘./../abc/../..’.IO.resolve.abspath
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«/home/abc/../..␤»
MasterDuke whoops 22:30
AlexDaniel m: say ‘/../abc/../..’.IO.resolve.dir 22:31
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«Failed to get the directory contents of '/abc/../..': chdir failed: Unknown system error 2␤ in any at /home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/runtime/CORE.setting.moarvm line 1␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/aYcxwvh1nq line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤…»
AlexDaniel oh wow, I can create a ticket in “spam” queue! How cool is that 22:32
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AlexDaniel ok #128214 22:36
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=128214
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AlexDaniel m: sub MAIN($x) 22:41
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/BXEf7OCNGf␤Missing block␤at /tmp/BXEf7OCNGf:1␤------> 3sub MAIN($x)7⏏5<EOL>␤ expecting any of:␤ new name to be defined␤»
AlexDaniel m: sub MAIN($x); say $x
camelia rakudo-moar 7a4ca4: OUTPUT«Usage:␤ /tmp/glI1q5CQ3N <x> ␤»
AlexDaniel didn't know that you can do that
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diakopter willthechill: ping 22:51
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tbrowder hi p6 peeps, anyone have any ideas on how to debug p6 pod? 22:55
llfourn tbrowder: in what way? you can inspect the tree by looking at $=pod.
tbrowder i try to set env var P6DOC_DEBUG, then run 'p6doc my.pod' and get a very helpful (not!) about a p6 opaque objject and that's it! 22:57
llfourn hmm I'm not sure about P6DOC_DEBUG sounds like a bug in p6doc? 22:58
tbrowder llfourn: can you be more specific, please?
llfourn tbrowder: erm.. well it seems there is a bug in p6doc from what you are saying? 22:59
I have nothing useful to be specific about it :\
tbrowder okay, what is the canonical way to inspect $=pod? 23:00
timotimo put say $=pod.perl; at the end of the .pod file and then just perl6 blah.pod
llfourn yeah that's the easiest way
tbrowder ah, okay, I'll try that, thanks 23:01
timotimo: btw, ref my perl6 rw tests, i tried using the :enc => 'ascii' when opening the input file and got no significant speed gain 23:04
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timotimo ah, nice 23:07
tbrowder ref p6doc bug: the code is might heavy slogging for a p6 newbie--it looks like something Perl Monk BrowserUk would write (assuming he would write any p6 code at all) 23:12
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timotimo i'm going to reboot hach. 23:14
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timotimo sorry y'all, but hack was having virtual hard drive trouble again 23:16
dalek c: ac2175a | (Daniel Green)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod:
Clarify IO::Path.Str, see irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2016-05-22#i_12525721
 23:21
c: 70b03ca | RabidGravy++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod:
Merge pull request #536 from MasterDuke17/master

Clarify IO::Path.Str
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