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Geth perl6-most-wanted: 368e2c8384 | (Curt Tilmes)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | most-wanted/bindings.md
Add LibYAML

A private repository for now...		 00:15
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Geth Swapped META.info → META6.json in 5 dists in github.com/perl6/ecosystem/commit/b520a57698 00:21
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lookatme morning o/ 00:35
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sammers morning 00:53
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ugexe uh oh, another person is working on libyaml 01:04
lookatme It's a binding for libyaml, why not a pure Perl 6 version ~ 01:11
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samcv seems i can't convert a string that has leading zeros in the number.. ugh 01:19
yoleaux 14 May 2017 16:35Z <Zoffix> samcv: sent you a pr: github.com/samcv/IRC-TextColor/pull/2
samcv m: :16("0D77").say
camelia 3447
samcv hmm why is it working there
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samcv .tell Zoffix merged and version bumped :) thank you 01:23
yoleaux samcv: I'll pass your message to Zoffix.
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TEttinger samcv: octal? 01:34
samcv turns out it was just a space i couldn't see easily in the error message
TEttinger oh ok
samcv causing the parse error :)
Geth ecosystem: ea943b372e | (Curt Tilmes)++ | META.list
Add LibYAML to ecosystem

See github.com/CurtTilmes/perl6-libyaml		 01:35
ugexe lookatme: i think they are both bindings?
ingy: tony-o ^ 01:36
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lookatme ugexe, yeah, I found another libyaml, it's a binding :) 01:52
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SmokeMachine how do I do something like (|) for Maps? 03:55
sorry, (+) 03:56
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lizmat_ And a new Perl 6 Weekly hits the Net: p6weekly.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/...-the-alps/ 08:08
moritz lizmat_++
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nine lizmat: excellent weekly :) Thank you! 08:21
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ufobat :) 08:24
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lookatme :) lizmat ++ 08:44
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eater lizmat: :D 09:03
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pmurias great to see Perl 6 being integrated into CPAN/CPAN Testers 09:03
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ChristopherBotto o/ Hello everyone! 11:44
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ChristopherBotto After installing RakudoStar 2017.04, I tried running "zef install LibCurl::HTTP" and got the error "Function 'BEFORE' needs parens to avoid gobbling block" 11:46
"at /path/to/rakudo-star/home#sources/A9948E7371E0EB9AFDF1EEEB07B52A1B75537C31 (Zef::CLI):565" 11:47
Silly me, I should have looked at Zef::CLI first before bring this up... 11:48
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ChristopherBotto rest of error message: "------> hen BEFORE { say "===> {$m.<message>}" }⏏<EOL>" 11:54
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ChristopherBotto Looks like this currently corresponds to line 633. I'll create an issue at github.com/ugexe/zef. 11:59
Thanks everyone for all you do! There is a lot of hard work and time (paid and unpaid) that goes into Perl 6. It's getting better all the time. 12:00
nine :) 12:02
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ugexe that seems to be related to the lexical module loading switchover 13:21
nine fixed that in zef... so I wonder if it was just an old version? 13:22
nine Shouldn't RakudoStar 2017.04 contain a recent zef?
ugexe yeah
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ugexe pbs.twimg.com/media/C_0XYJDXsAE6QA7.jpg (look at all those camelias...) 13:37
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ugexe skaji must not have gotten his yet when that was taken :( 13:38
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ugexe which btw, skaji upload CPAN::Uploader::Tiny to the perl6 ecosystem to make pause uploading easier 13:40
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haxmeister :-P 15:24
ingy ugexe: nice job!
ugexe: maybe join #libyaml 15:25
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jmerelo p6: say (1..10).map: rand / * 15:53
camelia (0.864792334103887 0.0215020434763217 0.294724351553639 0.204453006488093 0.191500281404292 0.0996034807089102 0.0708473480130957 0.0930594050100398 0.0447751575701964 0.0849774283190815)
jmerelo This works, but it's a hack
p6: say (1..10).map: rand
camelia Cannot resolve caller map(Range: Num); none of these signatures match:
($: Hash \h, *%_)
(\SELF: &block;; :$label, :$item, *%_)
(HyperIterable:D $: &block;; :$label, *%_)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
jmerelo This does not
p6: say (1..10).map( {rand} ) 15:54
camelia (0.00255745694729068 0.708662123083835 0.801211693437442 0.40437869919991 0.782993011507604 0.718728220562455 0.206756778168069 0.149469286293225 0.527926432102567 0.109489980966053)
jmerelo This works, no problem.
Any help here?
timotimo jmerelo: the problem is that rand takes an argument 15:55
so you can't use &rand there, nor *.rand
wait, is rand a term?
m: say rand 1
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unsupported use of rand(N); in Perl 6 please use N.rand for Num or (^N).pick for Int result
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say rand7⏏5 1
timotimo it is
what's much better is this:
m: say rand xx 10
camelia (0.820230019047666 0.556328758561595 0.17117771682549 0.977256631588291 0.346367591917418 0.995358741031604 0.408214072111737 0.0843794584208193 0.361742909863419 0.874566600339526)
jmerelo OK, I got it. 15:56
Thanks!
geekosaur obviously we need const >.> 15:57
timotimo we do?
geekosaur .oO { (1..10).map: const rand } 15:59
timotimo m: say (1..10).map: { $ = rand } 16:01
camelia (0.224666109352278 0.644172622404495 0.719284626726174 0.938137428944897 0.31610749540464 0.105887082393094 0.459039024757223 0.490284257105043 0.358790844470345 0.934767721180529)
timotimo m: say (1..10).map: { state $a = rand }
camelia (0.525305023344315 0.525305023344315 0.525305023344315 0.525305023344315 0.525305023344315 0.525305023344315 0.525305023344315 0.525305023344315 0.525305023344315 0.525305023344315)
jmerelo Cooll :-)
timotimo there you go
perlpilot m: say BEGIN {rand} xx 10;
camelia (0.882102931862404 0.882102931862404 0.882102931862404 0.882102931862404 0.882102931862404 0.882102931862404 0.882102931862404 0.882102931862404 0.882102931862404 0.882102931862404)
timotimo m: say rand Rxx 10
camelia ()
timotimo m: say 10 Rxx rand
camelia (0.705274517610075 0.870916130054118 0.442735001732596 0.00288293470235081 0.396879707843187 0.0784377934094133 0.0644500210475528 0.898704349623592 0.260033733205117 0.00022029392792176)
timotimo oh, we propagate that now 16:02
perlpilot m: say once {rand} xx 10 16:04
camelia ((Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu))
perlpilot I would have thought that one would work too
m: say (once rand) xx 10
camelia ((Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu))
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perlpilot m: say (once rand); 16:05
camelia 0.886117772825294
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timotimo m: say (once 1) xx 10 16:06
camelia ((Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu) (Mu))
timotimo seems to b0rk with anything on the LHS
grondilu m: say List.elems 16:09
camelia 1
grondilu ^o_O
perlpilot I think "BEGIN {rand} xx 10" should behave identically to "once {rand} xx 10" except for the timing of when rand is executed.
grondilu: List is a 1 element list. 16:10
grondilu is it? What is that element?
m: say List[0]
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
List cannot be parameterized
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say List[0]7⏏5<EOL>
perlpilot m: say "foo".elems; # similar to this 16:11
camelia 1
grondilu oh
I c
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haxmeister so XML::parser::tiny is no longer maintained and fails to install... 16:46
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haxmeister github.com/afiskon/p6-xml-parser-tiny/issues/17 16:48
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Geth specs: 8638e717e5 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | v6d.pod
Propose fatalization of all redeclaration warnings
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Zoffix haxmeister: I take it you gave up with DOM::Tiny? Was there a bug in it? 17:02
based on commits, looks like xmltiny was still working on Sep 29, 2015 17:04
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ingy curt_: are you @CurtTilmes? 17:29
Zoffix yup 17:30
ingy Zoffix: yup on @CurtTilmes?
Zoffix ingy: yes, that is the same person
ingy thx
[Coke] ~~ to ingy 17:31
Zoffix False 17:32
m: say '[Coke]' ~~ 'to ingy' 17:33
camelia False
Zoffix m: my \ingy = 42; my \Coke = 42; sub to {@_}; say [Coke] ~~ to ingy 17:34
camelia True
ingy :)
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samcv insane. i have `is-deeply @results.all, @results.all` and it runs the tests like however many times there are elements in the @results arrays 17:42
i didn't expect that to happen
Zoffix samcv: your Rakudo is too old 17:43
m: use Test; is-deeply <a a a>.all, <a a a>.all 17:44
camelia ok 1 -
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samcv i have 2017.04.3-207-g6bb1b5b40 17:44
will update
Zoffix Yeah it was fixed like last Friday or something
samcv ok :)
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Zoffix samcv: note that you're saying each item of @results is `eqv` to each item of results 17:45
m: say [eqv] <a a a> # basically this
camelia True
Zoffix m: say [eqv] <a a a c> # basically this
camelia False
samcv yep. i can see why that bxug could happen
just suprised me ;)
Zoffix gives up on xmltiny 17:46
There's a billion of .flat.has and a few of them appear to be wrong now 17:47
s/.push/.append/ in Actions fixes one issue. Changing Actions method head to make [$<head_item>>>.ast.map(|*).flat] gets me first 8 actions tests passing and it's not fun anymore so meh
github.com/zoffixznet/p6-xml-parse...fix-issues if anyone want to pick up the torch 17:48
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curt_ ingy: Hi, I stepped away -- yes I am @CurtTilmes 17:58
ingy: I added you to perl6-libyaml -- Feel free to have at it!
ingy: tags aren't really working in it yet 17:59
ingy curt_: it's great work! I want to use it to make a full stack YAML implementation that mirrors our brand new p5 YAML.pm stuff 18:00
curt_: I can chat with you in #libyaml
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haxmeister .tell Zoffix DOM::Tiny seems to work fine, installs ok and parses without error. When I get some time I'll dig more and try to understand the data structure it produces and how to get at it. 18:15
yoleaux haxmeister: I'll pass your message to Zoffix.
ugexe a new nice to have: get grep.metacpan.org/ working with perl6 modules 18:18
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Geth doc: d719a9f6cd | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Language/io-guide.pod6
Re-tone prose on $*SPEC avoidance

There are some edge cases where using $*SPEC is easier or is only way (e.g. $*SPEC.path), so "won't ever need" is too strong		 18:28
El_Che ingy: great new, I am a yaml fan for configurations 18:29
ingy: great news, I am a yaml fan for configurations
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Geth doc: dfdd845b97 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Language/io-guide.pod6
[io grant] Add "The Basics" section to TDIOG

  (Links to currently non-existent IO::CatHandle, but it will
exist soon)		 18:41
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Geth doc: cdc701e758 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Language/io-guide.pod6
[io grant] Add "What's an IO::Path Anyway?" section to TDIOG
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Zoffix Is a way to specify a horizontal rule in POD6? Like if I were writing in a book, I'd use centered "\n***\n" between the paragraphs and in HTML I'd use <hr>... Is there a POD6 directive that lets you do something similar? a "section break" 19:22
TreyHarris Zoffix: grepping ALL-MODULES, looks like a "=begin Html\n\n<hr />\n\n=end Html" is the way it's been done so far 19:27
I don't see anything in POD6 that would emit an explicit hr tag
Zoffix OK. Thanks 19:28
Seems Pod::To::HTML has a bug it renders that as "<p><hr></p>" :/
TreyHarris :-/
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TreyHarris For display purposes, that shouldn't make much difference though 19:29
Zoffix Unless you're using a wonky browser that's unhappy with invalid markup :) 19:30
haxmeister doesn't <p> add a preceding break?
timotimo it's a block element by default, so it will in effect do that
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Zoffix haxmeister: <p> element cannot contain block level elements, of which <hr> is one, and its closing tag is optional (closed by any block elemnt), so it's '<p></p><hr>' with a dangling </p> 19:32
If you mean about margins... yeah, it adds margins, but I want MOAR margin :D 19:33
section break
haxmeister didn't know <p> doesn't require a closing tag :/
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Zoffix haxmeister: and html/body/head are not required at all :) Though I noticed some search engines choke when they're missing 19:34
haxmeister how is that possible?
Zoffix There's no ambiguity
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Zoffix A <title> is invalid in <body> and <div> is invalid in <head>. Once you reach a certain point you know when your head ended 19:35
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Zoffix returns to writing without any section breaks :) 19:35
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haxmeister sounds pretty wacky to me 19:35
[Coke] samcv: 'node-gyp rebuild' just failed for me on a fresh install of node 19:37
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TreyHarris haxmeister: you're probably aware HTML5 is no longer SGML (and pre-XHTML HTML was just barely); the autoclosing is one of the behaviors 19:39
[Coke] (might be a dayjob networking issue)
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raschipi At least they made these things standard. Much better than before where it was supposed to be SGML but browsers accepted it anyway and there was no way to know how it would behave. 19:41
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haxmeister TreyHarris: no I didn't know that at all... always just assumed I should close them properly. 19:43
sounds kind of backwards to me though.. wasn't xhtml supposed to be the next progression in standards?? 19:44
TreyHarris Yeah. Otherwise <p> tag handling particularly would be madness, since it went from delimiter to enclosure and HTML in the wild had <p />, and and and... the autoclosing is kind of like rules that make it less important in modern languages to know and consistently use semicolon as a delimiter or as a terminator.
raschipi No, no one adopted xhtml because it was bad for clients. A single typo would take an entire websites ot. 19:45
TreyHarris haxmeister: no, HTML5 abandoned the move towards XMLization
== raschipi
haxmeister I guess xhtml was a flop then eh?..lol
TreyHarris validating HTML as a DTD has catastrophic failure patterns
raschipi Just like Unicode in Perl6 19:46
TreyHarris you ain't wrong...
moritz that's not very XMLized, right
raschipi a single malformed byte makes the program die. 19:47
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moritz just like it should be 19:48
just like a single malformed bytes makes every json or yaml or XML decoder die
haxmeister well I abandoned the idea of designing webpages for a living 15years ago when the world decided you needed to have a team and code in 6 different languages to compete..lol
raschipi that's DoS right at my fingertips
moritz raschipi: no more or less than any other input that comes with validation 19:49
haxmeister you know.. if it would just die, how many hackings would have been prevented?.. I can think of a few 19:50
raschipi It should do validation but use the other option the standard gives
TreyHarris It's good for reasons beyond validation. It's simpler. The standard HTML5 skeleton is basically exactly the same as the first HTML you ever learned to write if you learned HTML back at the dawn of the Web. They jettisoned all the cruft that had accumulated mostly just for syntactic reasons
Geth doc: 0d6d058252 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Language/io-guide.pod6
[io grant] Add "Writing into files" Section to TDIOG
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haxmeister html5 is much nicer though.. so no complaints there
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haxmeister except javascript.. not a fan of that at all 19:54
TreyHarris haxmeister: well, in practice, it seems like JS is more and more becoming a target language for better languages to compile down to. 19:55
haxmeister javascript is the most widely abused language in the world
hythm hello, Is that a correct way to handle methods of more than one class, or there is better/shorter way?
m: class A { method a() { say <a> } }; class B { method b() { say <b> } }; class C { has $.h1 handles A; has $.h2 handles B }; C.new(:h1(A.new), :h2(B.new)).a; 19:56
camelia a
TreyHarris A mantle that it probably took from Perl :-)
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haxmeister there are whole pages that are generated using javascript these days.. that's just tacky 19:57
moritz hythm: your example looks about right to me
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hythm Thanks moritz 19:58
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haxmeister welcome to web 3.0: <p><script>{300 lines of javascript}</script> and that is how webpages are made 20:00
TreyHarris m: class A { method a() { say <a> } }; class B { method b() { say <b> } }; class C is A is B { }; C.new().a; C.new().b
camelia a
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TreyHarris hythm: unless you meant ^^
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TreyHarris haxmeister: much of HTML5 was designed so that HTML/CSS/JS each do their respective things without taking over the roles of the others, but that doesn't mean people actually follow that design (especially since for awhile yet they currently still need to interoperate with older browsers) 20:02
There was a period when it seriously looked like HTML5 would eliminate the style attribute to at least force CSS to be kept separate. But the transition would have been too hard so that idea was dropped. 20:04
hythm TreyHarris, I did not mean to inherit whole classes, but was thinking that there might be a shorter way: As I dont think I will make use of $.h1 and $.h2 attributes after that
TreyHarris hythm: if you never rever to the attributes, then except in typing terms how is your class not a subclass of both? I mean, TMTOWTDI of course 20:05
hythm TreyHarris actually you are right, I'm just playing around with OO to get familira with it's concepts 20:09
TreyHarris hythm++ 20:11
hythm I wanted to see if there is different syntaxs, instead of using an attribute, may be a trait "handles" class C handles A,B { }
but again, it is not so much differnt than just inherits it with "is" trait 20:12
moritz right, delegation only makes sense if you delegate *to* something
TreyHarris Your instincts are right, I think; classes should generally be used for "has-a" relationships and roles should be used for "does" relationships. It would be very weird to create an attribute that "but"s a role just to delegate to it. It's less weird to do the same with a class
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TreyHarris particularly since multiple inheritance opens up much more potential for clashes of things you're not meaning to pay any attention to, while taking on several roles does not (usually) 20:14
hahainternet is there a form of Q (or other quoting) that allows multiline word splitting with comments? 20:15
hythm Right, I was just reading this few minutes ago, Role will throw compile time error for duplicate names ^^ 20:16
hahainternet actually i don't really care whether it splits words as i can do that trivially, but i'd like to comment some lines
haxmeister TreyHarris: with javascript, css isn't even needed which is sad. I think it could be better if the role of javascript was scaled back a bit. 20:18
moritz hahainternet: << .. >> should work 20:19
hahainternet moritz: what's their name so i can read the docs?
moritz m: say <<a b c␤# a comment here␤d e>>;
camelia (a b c d e)
hahainternet oh that's a lovely use of newline too
moritz camelia takes ␤ in its input and translates it into real newlines 20:20
hahainternet yeah, it solves an obvious problem very elegantly
but, what's the name of <<>> or is it on the quoting page and i missed it?
moritz no idea
hahainternet fair nuff :)
thanks very much 20:21
moritz docs.perl6.org/language/quoting#in...on%3A_qqww
hahainternet heh what an anchor
cheers, as usual perl6 exceeds expectations :)
moritz the search box on docs.perl6.org did have a "<<>> quote" entry
hahainternet noted
TreyHarris haxmeister: well, as you noted, you could technically have a page consisting of nothing but javascript. but I don't think there's obvious ways to "scale that back". Unlike HTML and CSS, JS is a Turing-complete programming language, and its raison d'être is changing the DOM, which is munging what the literal HTML and CSS says, so.... *shrug* 20:22
haxmeister hahainternet: I've been quite excited by perl6 lately too..
Geth Swapped META.info → META6.json in 1 dists in github.com/perl6/ecosystem/commit/31e51db68e 20:25
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haxmeister TreyHarris: I think a full melding of html and javascript might be the alternative solution.. or just javascript for that matter.. why not just javascript right? 20:26
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TreyHarris shudders at haxmeister 20:27
haxmeister lol 20:28
javascript and the browser works like one big canvas.. css optional
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haxmeister just preventing the loading of new content by javascript would be helpful.. though I know a lot of people who would be bitterly dissappointed at me for mentioning that 20:33
TreyHarris "preventing the loading of new content"? so search box autofill, mail, messaging and live-update apps that don't work by polled page reloading, alerting like on GitHub when the onsreen content has become invalid since it was loaded... you think getting rid of all those would be an improvement? JS would be limited to a glorified client-side form-sanitizer 20:36
I think you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
haxmeister lol.. yes, but I'm just being fecetious
and I can't spell today 20:37
my ssh is laggy
TreyHarris you weren't full of feces?
;-)
haxmeister lol
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haxmeister in all honesty though, an operating system at this point only needs to be able to launch a browser and save files. 20:38
it actually makes sense to have a browser as a desktop environment 20:39
haxmeister ponders why that hasn't been done yet 20:40
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haxmeister imagines x11 root window that is a browser and that's it.. 20:42
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raschipi haxmeister: Isn't that ChromeOS? 20:50
haxmeister is it? 20:52
geekosaur pretty much, yes 20:53
raschipi At least that's what I think they're going for.
geekosaur also, uh, X terminals from the 1990s
haxmeister I need an OS with perl6 as default shell language :D
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geekosaur (nothing new under the Sun --- X terinals, thin clients, chromebooks...) 20:54
haxmeister thin clients have desktops.. 20:55
I'm saying browser IS the desktop.. of course I'm just on about the widespread abuse of javascript
we got embedded perl6 yet? 20:56
html embedded Imean.. 20:57
geekosaur actually I could really make this worse. SCO, before the assets were sold to Novell and the name was sold to the asses, released an X server that ran in a browser
haxmeister oh that's mind bending
but possible... and still possible 20:58
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Geth doc: 68dbbe66f2 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/Any.pod6
Fixed typos
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doc: a1d7140787 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/Any.pod6
New examples for duckmap. Zoffix++
doc: e3ecf3c961 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/Any.pod6
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Geth doc: d6e975fdce | skids++ | doc/Language/list.pod6
Improve list literal docs

Mention empty list literal
   Clear up some confusion on semicolons in literals vs slurpy arglists
   Document special syntax for putting statement lists in parenthesis		 21:22
skids too hungry to wait for doc rebuild. Will fix anything after grocery run. 21:27
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pmurias haxmeister: re html embeded you mean in php style on the server or inside a <script lang='perl6'></script> 21:38
?
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hahainternet i'm parsing a simple string in a grammar, where a token can be one of a small number of values, but case insensitive, the parsing is successful, but i'd like to recover the original case of the token that matched, rather than the input string 22:09
so for example, "HELLO" and "goodbye"
timotimo you might have to have something like { make "HELLO" } and { make "goodbye" } in your token 22:10
and then use .ast to recover that value
hahainternet the token is currently just { :i <{@statements}> } so that's a slight problem
timotimo ah 22:11
hahainternet i assume i could use some fancy meta type stuff to programmatically add a bunch of tokens to a grammar
i guess that just shifts the problem to the TOP token however
timotimo why do you <{@statements}> rather than just @statements?
hahainternet because i didn't realise just @statements worked :) 22:12
timotimo OK
well, after the match succeeds you could grep through @statements for the matched value to find which one matched
sounds terrible, but it'll do
hahainternet i guess, that's a shame really
cheers for the help timotimo 22:13
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hahainternet heh .race is still not amazing: bin/moar': double free or corruption (fasttop): 22:44
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Geth doc: 9f5a8bdd5d | skids++ | doc/Language/list.pod6
Fix new link to be absolute.
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timotimo yeah, it really isn't 22:51
jnthn did some work to nail the semantics, but it's still just in that google docs spreadsheet
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