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| Geth | doc: ffeddb16c7 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/containers.pod6 Rewrites sentence on sigilless variable Thanks to @jimav for the suggestion. Also rewrites some other things here and there. Refs #1784. |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/containers | ||
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| DrForr | o/ | 11:05 | |
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| DrForr | I'm thinking about pushing a CommonMark library binding to CPAN/m.p6.org - Can someone point me to a proper module that does linking/loading? | 11:09 | |
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| timotimo | so, what kinds of "stage parse" times are you folks getting? | 14:58 | |
| i'm wondering if i should look around for a better CPU in the near future or if i can wait another generation | 14:59 | ||
| right now i'm getting 65 seconds :( | |||
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| sena_kun | timotimo, for rakudo building? I stopped to use rakudobrew some time ago, but I can remember it to be around 50 seconds, like 50-51 or something like that. | 15:02 | |
| timotimo | that was probably before specter/meltdown made everything slower :S | 15:03 | |
| sena_kun | I am not really sure I have patches for that(yeah, I know, it really sucks) now, but yeah, before that. | 15:04 | |
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| sena_kun | yet I have just a 7500U(note the "U"), I am sure some 7xxxHQ will grind it much faster. | 15:11 | |
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| sharksoft | is it possible to have (List) squish return the count of each item it squishes? i.e. (a b b c c c).squish return something like (a 1 b 2 c 3) | 15:13 | |
| timotimo | mine's a i5-3570 | 15:21 | |
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| sena_kun | sharksoft, maybe you want something like Bag(docs.perl6.org/type/Bag)? | 15:23 | |
| m: <a b b c c c>.Bag | |||
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| sena_kun | m: say <a b b c c c>.Bag | ||
| camelia | Bag(a, b(2), c(3)) | ||
| timotimo | not quite | ||
| they want RLE | |||
| sharksoft: examples.perl6.org/categories/99-problems.html - check out examples for problems 10, 11, 12, and 13 | 15:24 | ||
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| timotimo | though i haven't looked at any of the code and can't tell you if they are idiomatic | 15:24 | |
| sena_kun | oh, we have 99 problems solved, nice. | ||
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| Zoffix | timotimo: on my home box it hovers around 80s (right now was 89s, but I have Fallout 4 running). On my 24core VM I usually get around upper 60s, lower 70s | 15:26 | |
| 50 is pretty damn good. Wait another gen :) | |||
| sena_kun | o.0 | ||
| I have ssd too, it can make a difference too. | 15:27 | ||
| Zoffix | I have SSD on homebox. | ||
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| sena_kun | then never mind. :) | 15:28 | |
| sharksoft | timotimo: great, thanks! | ||
| timotimo | i also have an ssd | 15:29 | |
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| timotimo | --optimize=0 for moarvm makes that time balloon up past 100 seconds :( | 15:52 | |
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| MasterDuke | timotimo: fwiw, i get 80-90s on both desktop and laptop (i7-860 and i5-4200U respectively). that's with MoarVM built with --debug=3 | 16:40 | |
| you should ask nine and dogbert17, i think they are getting much better numbers with their ryzens | 16:41 | ||
| timotimo | well, adding more debug doesn't make things noticably slower | ||
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| MasterDuke | i think i see a difference, but very tiny, just a couple seconds | 16:43 | |
| timotimo | huh. | 16:45 | |
| MasterDuke | but my time are pretty variable on the laptop, it's very dependent on what sort of throttling is going on, so i could just be imaging it | 16:46 | |
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| DrForr | o/ | 18:01 | |
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| dpk | p6: say "Ⅻ" ~~ /:ignorecase XII/ | 18:42 | |
| camelia | Nil | ||
| AlexDaniel | unidump: Ⅻ | ||
| unicodable6 | AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/6fbf90351c4c8973b9...8a1d3a29db | ||
| AlexDaniel | p6: say "Ⅻ" ~~ /:ignorecase ⅻ/ | 18:43 | |
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Unrecognized regex metacharacter ⅻ (must be quoted to match literally) at <tmp>:1 ------> 3say "Ⅻ" ~~ /:ignorecase7⏏5 ⅻ/ expecting any of: infix stopper |
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| AlexDaniel | p6: say "Ⅻ" ~~ /:ignorecase ‘ⅻ’/ | ||
| camelia | ｢Ⅻ｣ | ||
| lelf | could someone unpuzzle me perlpunks.de/paste/show/5a89c93e.706e.13 | ||
| AlexDaniel | dpk: so why do you think it should match? :) or what's the question? | 18:44 | |
| lelf: could it be this? docs.perl6.org/language/traps#LEAV..._you_think | 18:45 | ||
| dpk | i'm puzzled by what you did differently that time, other than spell xii in lowercase, which doesn't make it match when i do it | 18:46 | |
| AlexDaniel | dpk: in your case you have three letters X I I | ||
| dpk | ah | ||
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| i don't expect it to match, i just expect the behaviour to be consistent. which it is :-) | 18:47 | ||
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| Zoffix | lelf: the unpuzzle is .map produces a Seq, which is evaluated lazily. You call `foo` with a code block that closes over the $out handle, foo() creates a Seq with a map call that calls that closure and returns it. MAIN then returns that Seq and it gets sunk somewhere and only *then* does the `fun($_)` stuff gets run, which is past the point of leaving MAIN and past the point of when the handle got closed. You | 18:49 | |
| you prefix line #2 with `eager`, to force evaluation of the Seq right then and there: `eager <one two three>.map: { fun($_) };` | |||
| lelf | AlexDaniel: but… it's defined in my case | ||
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| Zoffix | s/You you/You could/; | 18:50 | |
| AlexDaniel: FWIW, I tested the `use Test; use Test` test covers the bug. I guess maybe the bot's setup just prevents exercising it (I think it doesn't precompile or something, right?) | 18:51 | ||
| lelf | Zoffix: thanks. lazy I/O punches an unsuspecting haskeller in perl6! :D | 18:56 | |
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| Zoffix | :D | 18:59 | |
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| APic | 8===D | 19:00 | |
| Zoffix | Nice scissors... | ||
| APic | *nod* | 19:01 | |
| DrForr | They look more like haemostats :) | ||
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| AlexDaniel | these are actually “meatball scissors” | 19:07 | |
| APic | *shrug* | ||
| Geth | doc: 003d59bcbd | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/traps.pod6 Clarify C<»> and C<map> interchangeability trap - Use simpler example - » uses both deepmap and nodemap - Clarify why execution order is not guaranteed |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/traps | ||
| El_Che | 8< | ||
| DrForr | Which module should I look for in order to properly do NativeCall? | 19:11 | |
| (the basic calls work, I just want to mae sure I'm addressing the native($value) call. | 19:12 | ||
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| APic | Good old Scissors. | 19:14 | |
| AlexDaniel | DrForr: I don't think I understand the question, but what about github.com/Skarsnik/gptrixie ? | ||
| DrForr | No worries. | 19:15 | |
| I've wrapped libcmark (CommonMark - Markdown with a proper spec) and wanted to make sure I'm selecting the library in a portable fashion. | 19:16 | ||
| I'm also tempted to make the library "switch over" to a pure-Perl version if it "can't find" the C library, but I'm not sure if that's the right thing to do. | 19:17 | ||
| Er, the module. | 19:18 | ||
| APic | lol | 19:19 | |
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| DrForr | Mm, not quite what I was after. | 19:23 | |
| I have a 'sub cmark_render_xml(...) is native(...)' call, and I'm after a module that properly declares the library name. | 19:24 | ||
| At the moment I'm just doing "is native('cmark')" - I just want to make sure I'm DTRT. | 19:25 | ||
| timotimo | youl'll usually want a version in there, too | 19:26 | |
| DrForr | Righto. | 19:27 | |
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| travis-ci | Doc build failed. Zoffix Znet 'Clarify C<»> and C<map> interchangeability trap | 19:29 | |
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| Geth | doc: 2940fb04e7 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/traps.pod6 Fix pod error |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/traps | ||
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| travis-ci | Doc build errored. Zoffix Znet 'Fix pod error' | 19:35 | |
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| DrForr | Ah, $*VM.config... | 19:35 | |
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| Voldenet | m: "ąężźć".encode("ISO-8859-2").say | 21:13 | |
| camelia | Unknown string encoding 'ISO-8859-2' in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| Voldenet | Is there any way to use custom encodings? The manual isn't so verbose about how would one register class doing role Encoding | 21:17 | |
| as the possible encoding | |||
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| geekosaur | I think not currently; encodings depend on backend support (moarvm/jvm) | 21:34 | |
| Voldenet | ugh, so the best bet would be probably passing the Buf object to C and then iconv it from/to utf8 | 21:36 | |
| or, since I'm working with files, just qx iconv :) | 21:37 | ||
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| jnthn | You can write encodings at Perl 6 level | 21:44 | |
| yoleaux | 14:12Z <brrt> jnthn: I think when I split the if_o into istrue + if_i, I think i need to move at least some annotations onto the istrue, but possibly not all | ||
| jnthn | Granted it's not well documented yet, but it's just a case of implementing some roles and registering it | 21:45 | |
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| Voldenet | Hm, Encoding never requires implementing alternative-names (which is understandable) | 21:57 | |
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| Voldenet | but the original method returns Empty, which isn't iterable, which gives... quite weird error | 21:59 | |
| m: Encoding::Registry.register(class :: does Encoding { method name { return "test" }; method decoder {}; method encoder {}; }.new()) | |||
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| Voldenet | huh, nevermind | 22:00 | |
| I'll update | |||
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| comborico1611 | Personal question, how many spaces do you use to ident code? | 22:50 | |
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| Voldenet | 2 | ||
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| comborico1611 | That's what I do, but I'm not thinking it is enough now. | 22:50 | |
| Tab is a no-no, right? | |||
| Voldenet | some people hate on tabs, but tabs also work | 22:51 | |
| with added bonus that anyone can set them to their own preference | |||
| comborico1611 | I didn't know that. | 22:52 | |
| lizmat | fwiw, I have a *string* preference for spaces vs tabs, and 4 spaces if you want a number :-) | ||
| comborico1611 | lizmat: Is it because tabs can be different system-to-system or program to program? | 22:53 | |
| 4 spaces looks nice. But SO much work. | |||
| El_Che | tab == 4 spaces for perl 5, 6, go ; tab == 2 for ruby, yaml and puppet | ||
| Voldenet | comborico1611: good editor would take care of spaces anyway | 22:54 | |
| El_Che | comborico1611: fix your editor | ||
| comborico1611 | Hmm. Interesting El_Che | ||
| Emacs is so complicated . . . | |||
| I love it, though. | |||
| Voldenet | that's not how you write vim | ||
| El_Che | comborico1611: I use vim and intellij | ||
| comborico1611 | Thanks for the input, guys. | 22:59 | |
| I knew I could count on you. | |||
| Ulti | +1 for 4 space, also the argument for and against tabs is basically you dont want to mix them, and some indentation you will want to character rather than tabstop align | 23:02 | |
| chaining .methods for examle | |||
| comborico1611 | Is there any way we can know which kinds of identations character space rather than tab? | 23:04 | |
| which kinds of identations are better with character space | |||
| Ulti | yeah just look at what white space is the most frequent prefix of a line | 23:05 | |
| most editors that aren't trash do that sort of thing | |||
| lizmat puts "# vim: ft=perl6 expandtab sw=4" at the end of each file :-) | |||
| Ulti | yeah editor directives too ;) | ||
| comborico1611 | Hmm. I'm not understanding. I'll just need to wait till it bites me in the butt. | ||
| Ulti | well if you are typing spaces by hand its already biting you in the butt | 23:06 | |
| comborico1611 | Ignorance is bliss sort of thing. | ||
| Plus, I haven't been doing very much coding. | 23:07 | ||
| Ulti | comborico1611: www.emacswiki.org/emacs/IndentationBasics | ||
| comborico1611 | The book I learned from, Deitel, the author teaches to do three physical spaces. :-( | ||
| Ulti: Thanks! | |||
| Ulti: For better or worse, I have overridden the tab setting for all modes in .emacs file | 23:08 | ||
| Voldenet | ugh, how comes I can use my custom encoding to encode a string | ||
| but can't use it to decode it | 23:09 | ||
| ix.io/Mi6 | |||
| I understand this should give me some silly error, but it doesn't | |||
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| comborico1611 | El_Che: You program in all those? (Go, Ruby, . . . ) | 23:12 | |
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| Voldenet | meh, I'm giving up on custom encodings for now, it sounds not very easy to implement, I'll just write a method to convert Blob into string | 23:15 | |
| timotimo | there's still weak spots in the implementation, for example the registry isn't used everywhere and some places still only accept strings and circumvent the registry and all that | 23:16 | |
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| Voldenet | But who in the right mind would use custom encoding... ;) | 23:20 | |
| timotimo | it'd be cool if someone could champion that issue … | 23:21 | |
| jnthn | timotimo: Where isn't it used, ooc? | 23:23 | |
| (I thought all the I/O handles used it, and the .encode and .decode methods too) | 23:24 | ||
| timotimo | i'm not quite sure where i encountered it; i looked like 2 months ago maybe? | ||
| looks like i complained about Blob.encode | 23:25 | ||
| decode* | 23:26 | ||
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| comborico1611 | Thanks for the help guys. Bye! | 23:32 | |
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