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Juerd Why do rats stringify with a decimal point notation, and is there a method like .nude that will return a string that roundtrips with val(), i.e. 23/3 instead of ~.nude, which returns "23 3"? 00:08
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Juerd (I know there's .perl, but I'd rather use something a little less powerful ;)) 00:08
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AlexDaniel m: say (23/3).perl 00:16
camelia <23/3>
AlexDaniel Juerd: ↑
[Coke] m: say (16/5).perl 00:17
camelia 3.2
[Coke] AlexDaniel: ↑
AlexDaniel oh
[Coke] though those both seem to roundtrip fine through val 00:18
AlexDaniel I actually just read the second message saying “I know there's .perl” :) stupid me 00:19
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AlexDaniel I'm confused by this: www.reddit.com/r/programmingcircle...6/e7dabbt/ 00:30
it's basically just a print call, and someone is talking about write-only code O_o 00:31
timotimo AlexDaniel: it's unacceptable that it's && and not "and" like in python which is a readable programming language because it looks like words 00:33
perlawhirl \ 00:35
geekosaur whatever do they think of C? 00:36
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timotimo at least C is a letter 00:38
perl 6 has the audacity to have a *number* in its name
C++ is even worse, though, since it's more symbols than letters
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Kaiepi huh, didn't know && and || had different priorities between perl and perl 6 00:49
lucs Kaiepi: That's not what's happening.
AlexDaniel “Perl 6 started as Larry throwing a coffee mug during a conference two decades ago”
Kaiepi it's not?
AlexDaniel haha…
Kaiepi: yeah, it's "0" that is truthy in one and is not in the other 00:50
Kaiepi ohh
lucs Kaiepi: In Perl 5, "0" evaluates to false, but in 6, to True (as for any string).
Kaiepi guessing perl's the one where "0" is falsey
yeah
timotimo perl5 has the "0 but true" thing 00:51
Kaiepi sounds like javascript
timotimo which in perl6 it'd be "0" but false instead
lucs It's a pretty nice example, showing where Perl 6 has cleaned up its act so to speak.
timotimo it doesn't get to show up the new ternary
though i've seen people see it for the first time and say "wtf why would you do that" 00:52
AlexDaniel also doesn't demonstrate `say`
timotimo so ... *shrug*
lucs It doesn't show a lot of things :)
timotimo why doesn't it do multithreading, huh?
AlexDaniel ye, have to show off react block! 00:53
Kaiepi odd question but how would i make it so &say calls &die instead? 00:54
i know i've done it before but idr how
timotimo m: my &say = &die; say "hello"
camelia hello
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Kaiepi oh
Juerd AlexDaniel: Thanks for the answer, although .perl wasn't what I was looking for :)
MasterDuke Juerd: ISTR a similar question recently (past month or so), was that also you? 00:56
AlexDaniel m: my &say = &say ∘ &die; say ‘foo’ 00:57
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Cannot use variable &say in declaration to initialize itself
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my &say = &7⏏5say ∘ &die; say ‘foo’
expecting any of:
term
Juerd MasterDuke: I don't know what ISTR means, but I don't recall having asked a similar question before.
AlexDaniel this craptacular error message, *again*
MasterDuke "i seem to recall"
AlexDaniel though maybe it shouldn't work?
actually, that's probably the case when the error message is right :) 00:58
Kaiepi m: (&say but role { method CALL-ME(Str $t) { die $t } })(1) 00:59
camelia Type check failed in binding to parameter '$t'; expected Str but got Int (1)
in method CALL-ME at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Kaiepi m: (&say but role { method CALL-ME(Str $t) { die $t } })('ayy lmao')
camelia ayy lmao
in method CALL-ME at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
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k-man why is so called so? 01:12
timotimo think of how kids go
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timotimo "is not!" - "is so!" - "is not!" - "is so!" 01:13
k-man ah
cute
thanks timotimo
timotimo kids: you think they're cute *now*
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AlexDaniel heh yeah then you read all these reddit comments :) 01:21
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MasterDuke Juerd: fwiw, this colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log...09-14#l150 is what i was thinking of 01:36
Juerd MasterDuke: I'm currently also manually stringifying it with a /
Although I'm using .nude.join 01:37
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Geth doc: d3ff89ed33 | (Rafael Schipiura)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Str.pod6
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Str
tbrowder__ .tell finanalyst i’m going to sleep, but i leave my upvote for your doc changes, tell AlexDaniel so 02:03
yoleaux tbrowder__: I'll pass your message to finanalyst.
AlexDaniel what's the ticket?
ah I see, github.com/perl6/doc/pull/2369
tbrowder__ i think it’s worth taking a look, nite all 02:05
AlexDaniel tbrowder__: it's awesome 02:06
tbrowder__++ finanalyst++ 02:07
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k-man how can i run a perl6 program I'm writing in emacs, and have the output displayed in a buffer? 03:39
lookatme_r k-man, maybe in a shell ? 03:40
k-man yeah 03:41
i'll give that a go
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buggable New CPAN upload: App-Tasks-0.0.6.tar.gz by JMASLAK modules.perl6.org/dist/App::Tasks:cpan:JMASLAK 03:50
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lucs Why the difference here? Is X::… somehow reserved or treated specially? : 04:35
m: my class A { class B::C { } } ; A::B::C.^name.say;
camelia A::B::C
lucs m: my class A { class X::C { } } ; X::C.^name.say;
camelia A::X::C
[Coke] m: dd X
camelia X
[Coke] yes, a lot of exceptions live there. 04:36
m: say X.HOW 04:37
camelia Perl6::Metamodel::PackageHOW.new
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lucs The inner "packaging" appears to be ignored with the X::C example. I was expecting the name to be A::X::C. 04:41
I was trying to have a class with its own exceptions (trying more stuff now). 04:43
Uh oh :( 04:48
m: my class A { class X::D { } } ; X::D.^name.say; my class B { class X::D { } } ; X::D.^name.say; 04:49
camelia A::X::D
B::X::D
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Xliff Can someone tell me if Supply.emit is supposed to return a value? 05:34
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Xliff .tell jnthn I may need your help on getting values out of a tapped supply. Please give me a PM. Thanks! 05:37
yoleaux Xliff: I'll pass your message to jnthn.
lookatme_q Xliff, If you mean the method itself, I think it doesn't 05:38
Xliff Well, I'm more concerned with what happens when I $s.emit and want the tapped code to return a value. 05:41
If the tapped code returns a value, where does it go?
That's not clear from the docs.
And I understand that there is an issue if a Supply has multiple taps.
lookatme_q The Tap is not have detail in document 05:42
Xliff Yeah. I know. :(
Thanks for the information, though. 05:43
lookatme_q And what the issue is ?
Xliff Take this code: sub setup_callback { my $s; my $callback = -> $arg1 --> uint32 { $s //= Supply.new; do_something_in_c(--> uint32 { $s.emit($arg1) }); $s }; setup_callback().tap(-> $arg1 --> uint32 { do_something($arg1) }); 05:47
I'd want the return value of the code in the tap to return to the C code via $s.emit 05:48
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Xliff I thought that was possible, but now I think that is not. Mainly for the reason of multiple taps on a single Supply. 05:48
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lookatme_q As I know there is a issue about exception when I working with Supply. It force me gave up the Supply :( 05:49
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Xliff lookatme_q: I see. I am looking at the same choice. 05:50
I have a version of this with supply and one without and the one without works. 05:51
lookatme_q If you want the return value of tapped code, I think you should emit them such as `supply { emit do_something($arg1) }` 05:52
oh, may not work in tap :/ 05:53
But it's like you gave something to a Supply, and the code return another Supply of return value 05:54
or return the value from another Supply
I am not find another way to do it
s/am/can/ 05:55
Xliff, Finally, I replace the Supply with some publish/subscribe code 05:56
And it works fine currently
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Geth doc: c671ebd7af | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/grammar_tutorial.pod6
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Formatting for headers level 4
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buggable New CPAN upload: File-Zip-0.1.2.tar.gz by TYIL modules.perl6.org/dist/File::Zip:cpan:TYIL 08:40
jnthn Xliff: class FooEvent { has $.result is rw }; my $s = Supplier.new; $s.Supply.tap: { .result = 42 }; given FooEvent.new -> $e { $s.emit($e); say $e.result } 08:43
yoleaux 05:37Z <Xliff> jnthn: I may need your help on getting values out of a tapped supply. Please give me a PM. Thanks!
jnthn .tell Xliff class FooEvent { has $.result is rw }; my $s = Supplier.new; $s.Supply.tap: { .result = 42 }; given FooEvent.new -> $e { $s.emit($e); say $e.result }
yoleaux jnthn: I'll pass your message to Xliff.
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lizmat clickbaits p6weekly.wordpress.com/2018/10/08/...ed-the-js/ 09:03
lookatme_q jnthn, never seen this usage before, cool ! 09:06
moritz
.oO( "there must be a rule against this" )
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jnthn moritz: Supplies don't introduce concurrency (of course, there's things like Supply.interval, but that is using the scheduler to introduce the concurrency, and the supply to control it). So actually the design is so that things like I suggested work out alright :) 09:08
*is such
lookatme_q And now I faced some trouble when I using .race/.hyper, there is no problem in early version Rakudo
moritz there's *still* gotta be a rule against this :-) 09:09
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masak I fail to see the problem ;) 09:10
lookatme_q Sometimes the code will segment fault : github.com/araraloren/perl6-app-fi...in/fs#L153
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lookatme_q If I remove the .race will be fine 09:11
.hyper will also segment fault too 09:12
but not always
moritz masak: the problem is me 09:13
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masak hugs moritz 09:13
lookatme_q Will ask for help later, off work now :) Appreciate if someone can give me some advices 09:14
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ToddAndMargo Hi All, with `say` or `print`, how do I send Ctrl-J or ^j to my terminal? 09:25
yoleaux 8 Oct 2018 08:30Z <Xliff> ToddAndMargo: "hello".encode.decode('utf8').contains( chr(0) ) ... You want the ".decode" part on.
ToddAndMargo Hi Yoleaux, I changed my mind and am looking at the direct binary come with the @$var syntax. Thank you anyway! 09:26
El_Che yoleaux is a msg bot
Xliff is the one answering 09:27
(and @$var looks like Perl 5 to me :) )
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ToddAndMargo @$var when looping though a `Buf` 09:31
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ToddAndMargo $ p6 'my $fh=open "/home/linuxutil/To", :r; my Buf $f = $fh.read( 10 ); $fh.close; dd $f; for @$f -> $Byte { if $Byte == 0b00 {say "Binary"; last;}else{say $Byte}}' Buf[uint8] $f = Buf[uint8].new(87,111,114,100,80,114,111,0,0,0) 09:33
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lizmat El_Che: @$var is perfectly valid Perl 6 and the same as $var.list 10:05
jnthn $var.cache actually, but that calls $var.list by default :) 10:07
ToddAndMargo I used `$var[0..*]` before I knew the difference 10:08
jnthn $var[] is also fine 10:10
ToddAndMargo ^j ??? 10:12
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ToddAndMargo I wonder is $var[0..Inf] would have also worked? Trivia question. 10:15
timotimo ToddAndMargo: if i understand correctly what you mean, you cannot do that by outputting from your program 10:16
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timotimo what is ^j supposed to do again? 10:16
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ToddAndMargo Linux: when you echo a binary file or part of one to your terminal, it screws up your terminal with weird control characters. The solution is to type `sane^j` and it will reset your terminal. Since I will be sending some weird stuff to my terminal, I wanted to end it with`sane^j` 10:20
timotimo you can do something else instead 10:22
run "reset"
evalable6 reset: terminal attributes: No such device or address
timotimo it's a program
ToddAndMargo This one? $ which reset /usr/bin/reset 10:23
timotimo yes
ToddAndMargo `stty sane^j` is the full command
any idea how to send a ^j ? 10:24
reset: Thank you!
^j ?
ilmari ctrl-j 10:25
timotimo ToddAndMargo: a brief google search reveals that ctrl-j just inputs a \n
same as the return key, but i expect there's a mode for the terminal where the return key is configured to do something else 10:26
so "stty sane^j" is equivalent to running the command "stty sane"
ToddAndMargo not when the return key has been remapped. Hmmm. maybe all I have to do is `stty sane\n`. I will try! Thank you! 10:29
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timotimo no 10:32
you need qx or run or shell
if outputting "foo bar\n" would cause "foo" to be run with the argument "bar", then you couldn'n "say 'hello world'" without it trying to run /usr/bin/hello with the argument word 10:33
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timotimo even though inputting something on the terminal usually results in your input being echoed back at you doesn't mean that whenever something is outputted at you it will also be input'd to the shell, if that helps explain 10:33
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ToddAndMargo Thank you! 10:47
bye bye 10:48
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lichtkind can someone direct me to rakudos pod parser or the podule? 11:15
module - thanks
timotimo it's in src/Perl6/, i'm not sure if the parsen has already been split out or not, otherwise it's in Grammar.nqp and Actions.nqp, and some classes and constructors in Pod.nqp 11:17
lichtkind timotimo, i currently look into pod.pm but wha ti searching for s not there 11:18
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timotimo yeah, there's barely anything in there 11:18
El_Che lizmat: the horror 11:19
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lichtkind timotimo, i file a feature request 11:43
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AlexDaniel lookatme_q: please file a ticket. A snippet to reproduce the issue (even if it depends on your module) will help. A golf will help even more 12:53
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araraloren AlexDaniel okay, I will fill a ticket 13:14
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jkramer I wish the baggy ops were available in P5 <3 13:35
Before I started with P6 I didn't know how much I needed them but now I can never go back 13:36
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El_Che jkramer: yeah :( 13:54
araraloren I submit a issue: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2355 13:57
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rindolf araraloren: s/submit/submitted/ 14:09
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rindolf it irks me every time 14:10
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shmup i made a quick lookup thing that uses every /doc url on perl6.org (that i quickly scraped) showterm.io/e914d63ba29e69e0b5a77 14:10
using fzy 14:11
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shmup note that it just appears to be sluggish in that term recorder :P 14:11
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knation Has anyone used Cro and done a wildcard match for the route path? as in `get -> * {...}` ? I haven't seen an example of a catch all and my guess and check hasn't turned anything up 14:21
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jnthn knation: To match one or all path segments? 14:23
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knation Right now I would like it to match all possible paths 14:23
jnthn *@
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jnthn *@segs if you actually want the segments 14:24
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knation Perfect, thank you! 14:24
jnthn But otherwise can just slurp them anonymously
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araraloren rindolf thanks :) 14:25
rindolf araraloren: you're welcome 14:27
finanalyst hi, I'd like to discuss the language.html page of the documentation. I have two png screenshots, one with new, one with current version. Can I share them here?
yoleaux 02:03Z <tbrowder__> finanalyst: i’m going to sleep, but i leave my upvote for your doc changes, tell AlexDaniel so
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finanalyst The language.html page is the link from the language tab at doc.perl6.org 14:29
currently it is a psuedo-random collection of content pages because the order is the alphabetical name of the pod6 file, but the Name of the page is defined inside the pod6 file. So someone coming to the page wonders why it is such a clumsy list 14:31
Tom Browder did a lot of work so that the order and subtitles would be taken from a CONTROL file. I have finished this work. 14:32
pmurias finanalyst: yes you can share the screenshots
finanalyst pmurias: how?
pmurias finanalyst: dunno, upload them somewhere and paste the links here? 14:34
finanalyst ok. 14:36
AlexDaniel finanalyst: firefox has a built-in feature to share screenshots, it is nice 14:38
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rindolf finanalyst: imgur.com/ 14:38
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tbrowder__ hi, folks; thnx finanalyst! 14:39
Geth doc: uzluisf++ created pull request #2371:
Add whitespace and reflow		 14:40
tbrowder__ another grammar question: say i define $<athing> on a match object. can i then add content to it from another $<thing> ? 14:42
if so, how?
finanalyst www.dropbox.com/s/1tvlokys353z7ss/...w.png?dl=0 14:43
www.dropbox.com/s/nrh92o2do9i9kd9/...d.png?dl=0 14:44
tbrowder__ finanalyst: looks good!
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finanalyst I have done nothing to the css. I think that the table dimensions could be made the same through css 14:45
Also in the PR is a intro to the Documentation, basically listing a few sections that should be read for a better understanding 14:46
AlexDaniel finanalyst: btw I left some commens on the PR (which is now already merged)
finanalyst Mileage will vary.
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AlexDaniel finanalyst: looking at the screenshot, I don't like screaming headings 14:46
“Tutorials” is probably better than TUTORIALS
finanalyst AlexDaniel: I've been out all day. Just returned. Will look at comments.
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AlexDaniel automatic table sizing doesn't look too horrible to me 14:47
finanalyst AlexDaniel: Agree Title Case better. This is easily changeable in CONTROL file 14:48
AlexDaniel so, what's the reason we don't have this enabled by default?
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finanalyst I made minimum changes to docs repo 14:48
I can change 00_CONTROL_POD6 file immediately 14:49
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finanalyst Also change in the order of the sections, and which pages go in which section is easily done in the 00CONTROL file 14:50
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lizmat finanalyst++ 14:51
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AlexDaniel finanalyst++ indeed 14:51
finanalyst: I don't think we use Title Case in docs, at least not anymore 14:52
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finanalyst AlexDaniel: Very pleased to see positive responses. Agreed with all your nitpicking. I can fix. 14:53
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finanalyst I'll look again at the standard style and change the titles of the sections to conform 14:54
Would you please review the new intro pod6 as it is completely new, and I am sure there will be some feedback 14:55
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AlexDaniel finanalyst: looking at styleguide, it does not recommend sentence case yet, though it doesn't say anything regarding the page titles at all github.com/perl6/doc/blob/master/w...LEGUIDE.md 14:55
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AlexDaniel however it recommends to fall back to whatever is used in Wikipedia, and using that it should be sentence case for titles 14:56
finanalyst: so “Please use sentence case” :) 14:57
finanalyst AlexDaniel: OK. My preference for Section headings is Title Case. Title Case is used for the main title 14:59
But that's a matter of taste, and I will not push my view here.
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AlexDaniel finanalyst: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2223 15:00
unicodable6: f  o 15:04
unicodable6 AlexDaniel, U+0066 LATIN SMALL LETTER F [Ll] (f)
AlexDaniel, U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE [Zs] ( )
AlexDaniel, 4 characters in total (f  o): gist.github.com/d2c9a67b6cc90b6a2a...f316c5819d
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Geth doc: finanalyst++ created pull request #2372:
Changes as requested by AlexDaniel		 15:15
doc: 979ad5448e | (Richard Hainsworth)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 33 files
Merge pull request #1 from perl6/master

update		 15:16
doc: 086f362bc6 | finanalyst++ | 3 files
Mainly sentence case in control
doc: 66b40655e5 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 3 files
Merge pull request #2372 from finanalyst/master

Changes as requested by AlexDaniel
finanalyst AlexDaniel: So next step is to change Makefile , to set USE_CATEGORIES to True. 15:20
Thank you everybody. I'm really glad to have been some help. 15:21
AlexDaniel finanalyst++
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jmerelo finanalyst++ 15:22
yoleaux 8 Oct 2018 07:19Z <Xliff> jmerelo: At a guess, you are missing what would be self, since as a method, that is always passed first.
8 Oct 2018 07:20Z <Xliff> jmerelo: Regarding your SO question re: grammars.
8 Oct 2018 13:40Z <SmokeMachine> jmerelo: :)
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jmerelo .tell Xliff thanks 15:22
yoleaux jmerelo: I'll pass your message to Xliff.
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Geth doc: 693d49704b | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | Makefile
Enable language page categories
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AlexDaniel finanalyst: like this, right? ↑
now we wait for the rebuild and enjoy :) 15:24
weekly: finanalyst++ worked on the language page index docs.perl6.org/language.html 15:25
notable6 AlexDaniel, Noted!
finanalyst AlexDaniel: yes
AlexDaniel ===SORRY!=== 15:31
Missing or wrong version of dependency 'perl#sources/C57EBB9F7A3922A4DA48EE8FCF34A4DC55942942 (CompUnit::Repository::Staging)' (from 'perl#sources/FE7156F9200E802D3DB8FA628CF91AD6B020539B (NativeCall::Compiler::GNU)')
O_o
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AlexDaniel weekly: 30_000 commits in rakudo master! 15:38
notable6 AlexDaniel, Noted!
AlexDaniel OK I'm away to do some stuff :) 15:39
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Geth doc: 26ff8af436 | (Richard Hainsworth)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/intro.pod6
Update intro.pod6

Perl6 -> Perl 6 section name changed to Sentence case.		 15:58
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/intro
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El_Che CIAvash: interesting mixup at alternativeto! 16:17
CIAvash Yeah 😀 16:19
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CIAvash El_Che: If you want to see their note in the description(click on more): alternativeto.net/software/perl-6/ 16:28
I think it was based on my explanation
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El_Che good job 16:31
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CIAvash Maybe we should use that as an alias, but I don't think people want that many spaces in the name! :) 16:35
timotimo should we perhaps put a BSD flag on perl6 there?
CIAvash timotimo: it woks on BSD? 16:40
*works 16:41
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El_Che it builds on solaris nowadays, according to same 16:45
CIAvash added BSD
El_Che samcv
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tyil I believe she tested with a VM, not a native system, but that shouldn't matter (right?) 16:46
timotimo we do have people working on rakudo-for-BSD, but i'm not sure what exactly the state is 16:47
i'll BBL for a bit
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tyil I know I got Perl 6 running on FreeBSD a while back 16:49
havent tried it recently
tony-o i had it running on freebsd about 4 years ago, i'll try again with a fresh 16:53
CIAvash Just so people know what El_Che was talking about: 16:56
.tw twitter.com/CIAvash/status/1049690771895607296
yoleaux @jmaslak @nxadm It's not just a marketing issue, you have to explain to people that Perl 6 is not Perl version 6. Read the alternativeto.net incident here(colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log...06#l1507). After I explained things they asked me to readd the page. They also added a note so others don't get confused (@CIAvash, in reply to tw:1049648800510275584)
El_Che yeah, I am nxadm as well 16:58
like the aliasing concept ;)
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ilmari interestingly, perl is listed as an alternative to perl 6, but not vice versa 17:00
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ilmari oh, no, it is, I just missed it scrolling down 17:00
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tony-o i agree with joelle 17:10
lucs My favorite language used to be Perl. Nowadays, it's Perlsix." 17:27
(opening doublequote missing) 17:28
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tony-o "In perl you had to include your own async modules. In squeebles it's built in!" - inane comparisons go in both directions 18:55
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timotimo excuse me, what is that a reference to, tony-o? 19:18
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lichtkind jmerelo, 19:31
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tony-o i'd presumed lucs was commenting on why it's weird to call perl6 "perl6" if we're not considering it the next iteration of perl 21:06
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tony-o even if he/she wasn't, the line of "it's tedious to explain that it's a different language" is more tedious to read than to explain and it only begs the question "why is <whatever alias that hopefully doesn't happen> constantly compared to perl if it is _not_ an iteration of perl?" 21:11
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shmup prob i didnt explore right but, regardining entries in here: docs.perl6.org/syntax/ such as heredocs :to where are they found listed on the actual docs.perl6.org ? 21:49
theyre not under one of the navbar listings (routines, types, etc) afaik
timotimo that kind of thing is usually under language/ 21:50
docs.perl6.org/language/quoting#Heredocs:_:to
shmup oh, quoting, ok heh 21:51
tyvm timotimo
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timotimo NP 21:51
shmup vim's perl6 stuff is godawful slow, i don't really get it. best you can do is setting the foldmethod to indent/manual, afaik 21:52
timotimo you have to make sure no lines like # -------------------------------- exist in your file
shmup syntax foldmethod is slow for all languages given buffer size, however
cool cool timotimo
timotimo if there's too many dashes or = or whatever it looks for are in there, it'll stand still until you ctrl-c
and then highlighting is gone 21:53
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bazzaar \perl6 22:01
\o perl6
timotimo o/ 22:03
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bazzaar I wonder whether anyone would be so kind to have a quick look at a reduced-down Inline::Python perl6 script(+ module), it works, but there's a wrinkle I can't explain, it's all in the following gist (see first comment for background) : <script src="gist.github.com/bazzaar/d143663661...script> 22:06
timotimo are you messing with us? :) 22:07
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AlexDaniel pasted the wrong thing perhaps 22:08
bazzaar sorry, pasted the wrong thing, choose the embed link on the gist page, heck 22:09
gist.github.com/bazzaar/d143663661...df204f98ec 22:10
that's better, apologies 22:11
timotimo i saw a crapton of javascript code with document.write and i was skeptical %)
bazzaar is it possible for me to delete the previous link? 22:12
timotimo no, but no worries
could it be you're expecting the class to be a closure? 22:16
hm, no, it doesn't seem to be the case 22:17
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buggable New CPAN upload: Sparrowdo-VSTS-YAML-Build-0.0.7.tar.gz by MELEZHIK modules.perl6.org/dist/Sparrowdo::V...n:MELEZHIK 22:20
New CPAN upload: Sparrowdo-VSTS-YAML-Cordova-0.0.14.tar.gz by MELEZHIK modules.perl6.org/dist/Sparrowdo::V...n:MELEZHIK
bazzaar I wondered if behind the scenes a list of attributes of the python object was stored in a sequence, which was then consumed...
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DetroitDan HELP 22:53
timotimo greetings DetroitDan 22:54
please state the nature of your lepidopterological emergency
DetroitDan (c; 22:56
just exploring
timotimo oh, OK
DetroitDan Thanks
timotimo it is possible that you wrote something before the p6bannerbot gave you the +v status, and nobody would have seen it
it's a measure against a spam attack that has been going on for a while now
DetroitDan Ok, thanks for the update. 22:57
timotimo i'll be AFK for another while, but you can put your question here and later check the irc logs to see if anybody answered in the mean time: colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_logs/perl6
DetroitDan Thanks again!
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b2gills Note that this about the time when this channel tends to go dormant. 23:13
bazzaar I did a bit more testing on the issue I'm having with my Inline::Python Matplotlib perl6 script, so I updated the gist with another comment : gist.github.com/bazzaar/d143663661...df204f98ec 23:17
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Geth p6-sake: melezhik++ created pull request #26:
Outthentic test for sake		 23:57

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