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| discord6 | <Tyler (Aearnus)> hmm. what's the easiest way to get json data from a REST request from within perl6? | 01:09 | |
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| gerry83 | downloaded Rakuko for Mac OS; but sometning is missing | 02:55 | |
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| Geth | doc: threadless-screw++ created pull request #2917: Correction of link in Markdown rather than Pod6 |
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| jmerelo | Nice StackOverflow question stackoverflow.com/questions/572107...l6-values. I have the vague idea it's related to reduce operators, as he says, but who knows... | 06:45 | |
| Geth | doc: 95e1462e77 | threadless-screw++ | doc/Language/regexes.pod6 Correction of link in Markdown rather than Pod6 |
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| doc: 295e59b4c0 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/regexes.pod6 Merge pull request #2917 from threadless-screw/regex Correction of link in Markdown rather than Pod6 |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/regexes | ||
| irced | p6: my $x; $x *= 3; | 06:46 | |
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| irced | p6: my $x; say {$x *= 3}; | ||
| camelia | -> ;; $_? is raw { #`(Block|87419368) ... } | ||
| irced | p6: my $x; say "{$x *= 3}"; | ||
| camelia | 3 | ||
| irced | p6: print do {[*]()} | 06:48 | |
| camelia | 1 | ||
| irced | yikes! | 06:49 | |
| p6: print do {[+]()} | |||
| camelia | 0 | ||
| irced | p6: print do {$x += 3} | ||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Variable '$x' is not declared at <tmp>:1 ------> 3print do {7⏏5$x += 3} |
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| irced | p6: my $x; print do {$x += 3}; | ||
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| irced | I'm with the poster, when an Any is multplied it is used as an identity. | 06:51 | |
| identity, in the language of mathematics, means the product is the same as that to which the identity was multiplied | 06:53 | ||
| so nothing is loss when an undefined variable is used as an operand in an arithmetic operation | 06:54 | ||
| since if it is added to, you get what was added to it and if it is multiplied to you get that which was multiplied to it. and perl6 takes identify to the next level making it applicable in addition. | 06:55 | ||
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| irced | the only snag is [*](). but given that identity is "one" it makes sense that identify * identity is ... identify :-) | 07:00 | |
| or in this case, that it is 1 when used in multiplication | |||
| thus [*](1) = 1 | 07:01 | ||
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| Geth | doc: JJ assigned to antoniogamiz Issue Sharing Pod 6 caches github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1952 JJ unassigned from coke Issue Sharing Pod 6 caches github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1952 JJ assigned to noisegul Issue There must be a better way of putting index pages together github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2579 409249ff7e | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/HyperSeq.pod6 First stage adapting methods from Seq refs #1897 |
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| doc: a305a9445f | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/HyperSeq.pod6 Writes all methods for HyperSeq, refs #1897 |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/type/HyperSeq | ||
| doc: 5b8e85c130 | (JJ Merelo)++ | 3 files Documents RaceSeq, some fixes and adds to type-graph.txt closes #1897 |
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| jmerelo | irced: you should probably create an issue in the documentation so that gets written down, either in Any itself or as a trap. | 07:33 | |
| Geth | ¦ problem-solving: AlexDaniel assigned to jnthn Issue What's up with hyper/race semantics? github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/77 | 07:35 | |
| AlexDaniel | c: all my $x; $x *= 3; say $x | 07:37 | |
| committable6 | AlexDaniel, ¦all (61 commits): «3» | ||
| jmerelo | AlexDaniel: strangely consistent, that's Perl 6 motto | ||
| AlexDaniel | very nice question indeed, very interesting behavior :) | 07:38 | |
| I think it's reasonable and this is what I expected, actually | 07:39 | ||
| but it's interesting to see how $x behaves as different values, if you look at it that way | |||
| jmerelo | AlexDaniel: and this is the issue you created a year ago: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2129 | 07:40 | |
| AlexDaniel | ah fucking blobs | ||
| but yeah, it's a good ticket | 07:41 | ||
| jmerelo excited to go to Riga and finally meet people I've never met before and people I've met lots of times before | 07:42 | ||
| SmokeMachine | AlexDaniel: I'm sorry... I'm trying... but I can't explain that better... :( | ||
| Geth | ¦ problem-solving: AlexDaniel self-assigned Make Rakudo read from META6 modules with :ver<>, :auth<> and :api<> github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/76 | 07:43 | |
| AlexDaniel | jmerelo: yes yes, me too :) | 07:44 | |
| SmokeMachine | AlexDaniel: What mean the fallback label? | 07:45 | |
| AlexDaniel | SmokeMachine: usually tickets are assigned to a developer who works on issues with a particular label, but we don't yet have a dev who works on the ecosystem/meta6.json stuff github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/45 | 07:47 | |
| SmokeMachine | AlexDaniel: hum... thanks! | ||
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| SmokeMachine | AlexDaniel: did the log link help? | 07:48 | |
| AlexDaniel | SmokeMachine: example did, it's clearer now :) | 07:49 | |
| SmokeMachine | :) | ||
| antoniogamiz | jmerelo: what should I do with 5to6-perlfunc? | ||
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| SmokeMachine | AlexDaniel: and on log there is ugexe saying how it should be done... I was trying to do... but Rakudo is not being compiled on my machine... it's hanging... | 07:51 | |
| AlexDaniel | SmokeMachine: interesting | ||
| SmokeMachine | AlexDaniel: www.irccloud.com/pastebin/G5acEGip/ | 07:52 | |
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| irced | jmerelo: i just thought the discussion was interesting! | 08:09 | |
| jmerelo | antoniogamiz: good question. At this point, it should probably be treated like everything else. You can raise an issue in /doc just in case people want to discuss... | 08:10 | |
| antoniogamiz | mmm, I will do that then. But if we want it to be treated like everything else we should change the current headers | 08:11 | |
| of 5to6-perlfunc | |||
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| irced | jmerelo: and not an issue so much as a nominal feature. thanks for sharing the stackoverflow question. | 08:13 | |
| jmerelo: but i suppose it could be an issue if a programmer expects an error from using an undefined value in an arithmetical expression! | |||
| c: my ($x, $y); print do { $x + 3 + $y } | 08:15 | ||
| committable6 | irced, ¦my: «Cannot find this revision (did you mean “all”?)» | ||
| jmerelo | irced: it's a documentation issue, something that should be documented. | 08:16 | |
| irced | jmerelo: yeah, the poster did not note that an error does in fact occur when not using *= += etc, as in $x where $x is Any + 3 gives use of uninitialized value | 08:17 | |
| jmerelo | AlexDaniel: I requested to be in charge (or in co-charge) of ecosystem stuff... | ||
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| AlexDaniel | m: my ($x, $y); print do { $x + 3 + $y } | 08:18 | |
| camelia | Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context 3 in block at <tmp> line 1 Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context in block at <tmp> line 1 |
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| irced | c: my ($x, $y); print do { $x + 3 + $y } | ||
| committable6 | irced, ¦my: «Cannot find this revision (did you mean “all”?)» | ||
| irced | m: my ($x, $y); print do { $x + 3 + $y } | ||
| camelia | Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context 3 in block at <tmp> line 1 Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context in block at <tmp> line 1 |
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| irced | AlexDaniel: right | 08:19 | |
| m: my ($x, $y); print do {$x*=3 + $y+=1} | |||
| camelia | Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context in block at <tmp> line 1 Cannot modify an immutable Int (3) in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| irced | m: my ($x, $y); print do {$x*=3} | ||
| camelia | 3 | ||
| irced | m: my ($x, $y); print do {$y+=3} | ||
| camelia | 3 | ||
| irced | m: my ($x, $y); print do { {$x*=3} + {$y+=1}}; #4 ? | 08:20 | |
| camelia | Cannot resolve caller Numeric(Block:D: ); none of these signatures match: (Mu:U \v: *%_) in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| irced | m: my ($x, $y); print do { {$x*=3} + {$y+=1} }; | ||
| camelia | Cannot resolve caller Numeric(Block:D: ); none of these signatures match: (Mu:U \v: *%_) in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| irced | m: my ($x, $y); print "{$x*=3} + {$y+=1}"; | ||
| camelia | 3 + 1 | ||
| irced | m: my ($x, $y); print "{{$x*=3} + {$y+=1}}"; | ||
| camelia | Cannot resolve caller Numeric(Block:D: ); none of these signatures match: (Mu:U \v: *%_) in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| irced | m: my ($x, $y); print "{val({$x*=3}) + val({$y+=1})}"; | 08:21 | |
| camelia | Value of type Block uselessly passed to val() in block at <tmp> line 1 Value of type Block uselessly passed to val() in block at <tmp> line 1 Cannot resolve caller Numeric(Block:D: ); none of these signatures match: (Mu:U \v: *%_)… |
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| irced | m: my ($x, $y); print "{val($x*=3) + val($y+=1)}"; | ||
| camelia | Value of type Int uselessly passed to val() 4 in block at <tmp> line 1 Value of type Int uselessly passed to val() in block at <tmp> line 1 |
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| irced | m: my ($x, $y); print do { val($x*=3) + val($y+=1) }; | 08:22 | |
| camelia | Value of type Int uselessly passed to val() 4 in block at <tmp> line 1 Value of type Int uselessly passed to val() in block at <tmp> line 1 |
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| irced | m: my ($x, $y); print do { ($x*=3).^name }; | ||
| camelia | Int | ||
| irced | m: my ($x, $y); print do { ($x*=3) + ($y+=1) }; | ||
| camelia | 4 | ||
| irced | m: my ($x, $y); print do { ($x*=3) + ($y+=1) }; # huh | 08:23 | |
| camelia | 4 | ||
| irced | so an object knows only its own identity | 08:24 | |
| so to speak | |||
| m: my ($x, $y); print do { $x = ($x+=3) } | 08:25 | ||
| camelia | 3 | ||
| irced goes mentally insane. | 08:26 | ||
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| AlexDaniel | irced: I'm a bit lost, what's the issue again? | 08:28 | |
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| irced | AlexDaniel: well | 08:31 | |
| m: my $x; say "{$x+3}" | 08:32 | ||
| camelia | Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context 3 in block at <tmp> line 1 |
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| irced | m: my $x; say "{$x+=3}" | ||
| camelia | 3 | ||
| irced | m: my $x; do {$x+=3; print $x} | 08:33 | |
| camelia | 3 | ||
| irced | m: my $x; do {$x=$x+3; print $x} | ||
| camelia | Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context 3 in block at <tmp> line 1 |
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| irced | AlexDaniel: the last two statements are equivalent | 08:34 | |
| AlexDaniel: but the interpreter says otherwise | |||
| AlexDaniel: so, Any behaves differently depending on whether the assignment is long hand or short hand. | 08:35 | ||
| AlexDaniel: observe/ | |||
| m: my $x; do {$x*=4; print $x} | |||
| camelia | 4 | ||
| AlexDaniel | so | ||
| irced | m: my $x; do {$x=$x*4; print $x} | ||
| camelia | Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context 0 in block at <tmp> line 1 |
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| AlexDaniel | m: my $x; $x += 3 | ||
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| AlexDaniel | but | ||
| m: my $x; $x = $x + 3 | 08:36 | ||
| camelia | Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| irced | and observe | ||
| lizmat | the lack of warning with `+=` is intentional, afaik | ||
| irced | m: my $x; print do {[*]$x} | ||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Two terms in a row at <tmp>:1 ------> 3my $x; print do {[*]7⏏5$x} expecting any of: infix infix stopper statement end statement modifier … |
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| irced | m: my $x; do print {[*]$x} | ||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Two terms in a row at <tmp>:1 ------> 3my $x; do print {[*]7⏏5$x} expecting any of: infix infix stopper statement end statement modifier … |
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| irced | m: my $x; print "{[*]$x}" | 08:37 | |
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Two terms in a row at <tmp>:1 ------> 3my $x; print "{[*]7⏏5$x}" expecting any of: infix infix stopper statement end statement modifier … |
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| irced | m: print "{[*]()}" | ||
| camelia | 1 | ||
| irced | m: print "{[+]()}" | ||
| camelia | 0 | ||
| irced | the any is assigned a value of 1 in multiplication or 0 in addition only in operations that are not longhand | 08:38 | |
| lizmat: intentional lack of warning, but it is not even an exception when | 08:39 | ||
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| camelia | Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context 5 in block at <tmp> line 1 |
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| irced | so jmerelo suggested i should create an issue in the documentation, how do i do that? | 08:49 | |
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| irced | m: my $x; print $x+=3; | 08:52 | |
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| lizmat | irced: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/new | 08:57 | |
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| irced | oh, i found it documented at least for += | 09:00 | |
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| irced | m: print [*]() | 09:06 | |
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| lizmat | m: dd [~]() | 09:08 | |
| camelia | "" | 09:09 | |
| lizmat | it also goes for stringy infixes :-) | ||
| irced | lizmat: thanks | ||
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| camelia | Str | ||
| irced | m: my $x = [~](); say $x.DEFINITE.so; | 09:32 | |
| camelia | True | ||
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| lizmat | weekly: blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2019...erl-6.html | 09:36 | |
| notable6 | lizmat, Noted! | ||
| irced thanks lizmat for the blog. | 09:37 | ||
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| timotimo | sena_kun: i think you may want to re-read that tweet you just answered to; they said "a dead end", rather than "dead", which is an important difference | 13:05 | |
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| masak | though neither is all that good, usually | 13:09 | |
| timotimo | aye | 13:10 | |
| i just thought the response was a little off because of what i perceive as a misunderstanding | |||
| masak | dead ends are where one gets mugged :P | ||
| hey! maybe that should be our new slogan: "there's nowhere to run. yer money or yer life" -- Perl 6 | 13:11 | ||
| timotimo | a stroke of genius for our PR | 13:12 | |
| masak | "we suck at marketing -- but at least we're loaded" | 13:14 | |
| perlbot | Arianhaseist pasted a new file at perl.bot/p/6h8atx - | 13:15 | |
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| ugexe | i live on a dead-end street and its nice because there isn't a bunch of assholes speeding both ways down the street | 13:45 | |
| lizmat | so you only get one-way speeders? Won't that make a lot more noise when they hit the wall ?? :-) | 13:51 | |
| antoniogamiz | lizmat: uh haha | 13:52 | |
| ugexe | i'm only able to get up to 40mph when peeling out of the driveway before i reach the stop sign so not really | 13:53 | |
| El_Che | is perl 6 also a dead end (cfr stevan's talk). What did I miss? | 13:54 | |
| sena_kun | timotimo, an important difference in what? | 13:56 | |
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| sena_kun | timotimo, can't argue with misunderstanding part, though, I see fake news of "Perl 6 is dead" sort pretty often, now I might be seeing things. :S | 13:57 | |
| antoniogamiz | handle urls in perl6 is tough | 14:00 | |
| sena_kun | antoniogamiz, what part is confusing? | 14:03 | |
| antoniogamiz | make them valid ones | 14:04 | |
| (I'm trying to fix url in the new doc system) | |||
| sena_kun | antoniogamiz, this is not very specific. :) if there is some issue you tinker on, maybe we can help? | 14:05 | |
| antoniogamiz | ah no, I just told it idk.. | ||
| ugexe | you just puny-encode it. nothing difficult or confusing | 14:06 | |
| antoniogamiz | that does not work with / ^ % | ||
| ugexe | wouldnt you just percent encode them? | 14:07 | |
| antoniogamiz | If I do that, would it be converted to a valid unix path? | 14:08 | |
| sena_kun | ^ is %5E, % is %25, / is %2F | 14:09 | |
| www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_urlencode.asp | |||
| antoniogamiz | but then I would have to encode % too | ||
| sena_kun | % is %25 | 14:10 | |
| ugexe | you don't reencode the percent symbol of the percent encoded entities | ||
| antoniogamiz | I mean. there's path containing ^ % / | ||
| if I encode them, and write them to that path | |||
| sena_kun | so if you have "/foo/bar/%", you encode it as "/foo/bar/%25" and that's all | ||
| antoniogamiz | when you type %25 in the browser, it does not work | ||
| ugexe | technically it should | 14:11 | |
| antoniogamiz | it doesnt, or at least not in my case | ||
| sena_kun | I have a feeling that browser is too user-friendly and will convert `%` for you | ||
| just as it encodes emoji you can type into address bar into something normal | |||
| also, does it work in url on page? | 14:12 | ||
| antoniogamiz | ? | ||
| sena_kun | if you have a page that is served on path with %25, and you have another page that contains <a href="...%25">foo</a>, then you open up this second page, can you go to the first one? | 14:13 | |
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| antoniogamiz | ah I think not | 14:14 | |
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| sena_kun | did you try it or? | 14:15 | |
| antoniogamiz | but if I reencode the % i can | ||
| sena_kun | reencode from what to what? | ||
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| ugexe | 點看foo^bar --> xn--foo%5Ebar-qg2rk18z | 14:16 | |
| antoniogamiz | %25 | ||
| in my case I tested fff^ | |||
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| antoniogamiz | and fff%5E did not work | 14:16 | |
| so I encode % too => fff%255E | 14:17 | ||
| ugexe | thats a security flaw | ||
| antoniogamiz | (now I'm using uninames, as it was used before) | 14:18 | |
| ugexe: it is? I did not know | |||
| ugexe | www.cgisecurity.com/lib/URLEmbeddedAttacks.html | ||
| grep for Multiple Decoding | 14:19 | ||
| well maybe i misunderstood "so I encode % too => fff%255E" | 14:21 | ||
| antoniogamiz | oh I didn't have any idea, thanks for th einfo | ||
| ugexe | basically if you have a percent encoded entity like %25 you must be sure you never double decode it into something like %2525 | 14:22 | |
| antoniogamiz | got it :D | ||
| someone knows what (elem) routine is? | 14:23 | ||
| github.com/perl6/doc/blob/5b8e85c1....pod6#L436 | |||
| jnthn | Infix operator for testing set membership | 14:24 | |
| antoniogamiz | mmm so it exists, but its page is not being generated | 14:25 | |
| is called (elem)? or have another name? | |||
| ugexe | docs.perl6.org/language/operators#..._%E2%88%88 | 14:27 | |
| antoniogamiz | mm so it's actually documented | 14:28 | |
| time to investigate what's going on | |||
| oohhh it's the header! it does not match any of the current rules | 14:30 | ||
| ups, there's quite a few cases mmm | 14:31 | ||
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| Geth | doc: 5933c30179 | Coke++ | xt/words.pws newly docced classes |
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| doc: 2377cab050 | Coke++ | type-graph.txt Sequence is a role; Fix for #1897 xt/type-graph.t needs to know if something is a role, and will fail if assumes incorrectly. Be explicit. |
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| antoniogamiz | m: [1,2,3][0:*-1] | 14:54 | |
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Confused at <tmp>:1 ------> 3[1,2,3][0:7⏏5*-1] expecting any of: colon pair |
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| antoniogamiz | i thought it was like in python | ||
| tobs | antoniogamiz: you have to rotate the : | ||
| m: [1,2,3][0..*-1] | 14:55 | ||
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| tobs | m: [1,2,3][0..*-1].say | ||
| camelia | (1 2 3) | ||
| antoniogamiz | :oo | ||
| it makes sense x'd | |||
| ty | |||
| tobs | not sure what 0:-1 would do in python, maybe it would omit the last element? Note that it doesn't here. | 14:56 | |
| lucasb | >>> [1,2,3][0:-1] #=> [1, 2] | ||
| antoniogamiz | tobs: the same that .. | 14:57 | |
| sena_kun | m: [1,2,3][0..*-2].say; | 15:00 | |
| camelia | (1 2) | ||
| sena_kun | the reason is that `*` gives you length, and you have to return index, so lenth is 3 and -1 is 2, so indexes are 0,1,2 and you get last element | ||
| so you need to actually get index before last one, hence -2, because first -1 is a shift because indexes are starting from zero, when length is not, and the second one is because you want an element that is before last | 15:02 | ||
| tobs | fwiw, there is a problem solving ticket about indexing with ranges and whatevercodes as it's not always clear what does (or even *is*) what in a subscript: github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/50 | 15:03 | |
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| antoniogamiz | m: "postcircumfix « »" ~~ /postcircumfix « »/ | 16:27 | |
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| antoniogamiz | that should match, shouldn't it? | ||
| jmerelo | m: "postcircumfix « »" ~~ /"postcircumfix « »"/ | 16:34 | |
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| jmerelo | m: say "postcircumfix « »" ~~ /"postcircumfix « »"/ | ||
| camelia | ｢postcircumfix « »｣ | ||
| antoniogamiz | oh mm | 16:35 | |
| sena_kun | m: say "postcircumfix « »" ~~ /\« \»/ | ||
| camelia | Nil | ||
| sena_kun | m: say "«" ~~ /\«/ | 16:36 | |
| camelia | ｢«｣ | ||
| sena_kun | m: say "postcircumfix « »" ~~ /\« ' ' \»/ | ||
| camelia | ｢« »｣ | ||
| sena_kun | m: say "postcircumfix « »" ~~ /«post»/ | ||
| camelia | Nil | ||
| sena_kun | m: say "postcircumfix « »" ~~ /«[p]»/ | ||
| camelia | Nil | ||
| hahainternet | could someone point me to the docs on matching unicode character classes or groups or whatever the term actually is? | 16:43 | |
| sena_kun | hahainternet, maybe docs.perl6.org/language/regexes#Un...properties ? | 16:44 | |
| hahainternet | ah yes i think that will do, thank you very much :) | 16:45 | |
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| opitzs | Hi, I'm trying to set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH from within perl, so it finds the oracle instant client directory, however, "%*ENV<LD_LIBRARY_PATH> = '/path';" doesn't seem to work.Any idea where I'm going wrong? Thank you versy much! | 17:05 | |
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| vrurg | opitzs: You have a chance for it to work if you set it in BEGIN before using the module. | 17:31 | |
| It won't work on macOS anyway though. | 17:32 | ||
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| opitzs | vrurg: Thank you! | 17:33 | |
| vrurg: Thank you, works like a charm! | 17:35 | ||
| chloekek | p6: use NativeCall; sub getenv(Str:D $k --> Str) is native {*}; %*ENV<FOO> = 'foo'; say getenv('FOO') | ||
| camelia | (Str) | ||
| chloekek | Setting on %*ENV doesn't update the environment of the process. | ||
| %*ENV is read by e.g. run, but perhaps not by the dynamic linker? | 17:36 | ||
| vrurg | opitzs: welcome! | 17:38 | |
| opitzs | chloekek: It works in the begin block, so it cant be simply that the dynamic linker doesn't work with it. As this is my first perl6 script, I can't comment. Thank you! | 17:39 | |
| vrurg | m: $*ENV<FOO_VAR> = 42; use nqp; say nqp::getenvhash<FOO_VAR> | 17:40 | |
| camelia | Dynamic variable $*ENV not found in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| chloekek | s/\$/%/ | ||
| vrurg | m: %*ENV<FOO_VAR> = 42; use nqp; say nqp::getenvhash<FOO_VAR> | ||
| camelia | (Any) | ||
| chloekek | p6: %*ENV<FOO_VAR> = 42; use MONKEY-GUTS; say nqp::getenvhash<FOO_VAR> | ||
| camelia | (Any) | ||
| ugexe | a module probably does something like `is native(%*ENV<foo>)`. by using BEGIN you force the ENV to be set before the signature is reached | 17:41 | |
| vrurg | But the linker perhaps considers %*ENV. I don't know. | ||
| chloekek wrote some Perl 5 today. Wasn't a bad experience, but "weird" :D | 17:42 | ||
| Had used Perl 5 a lot until a few years ago. | |||
| vrurg | ===> Fetching [FAIL]: Data::MessagePack:ver<0.1.2> from [email@hidden.address] | 17:44 | |
| ugexe: ^ any idea what this could be? | |||
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| SmokeMachine | ugexe: Should print this? www.irccloud.com/pastebin/n47yjjsv/ | 18:33 | |
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| timotimo | i wonder if zef should get support for the perl6-all-modules repo :) | 18:47 | |
| OTOH, you could literally just cd in there and do the installing | |||
| though not automatically finding the dependencies in there | |||
| moritz | fwiw I've tried setting up the updater for perl6-all-modules on a different machine, and failed so far | 18:49 | |
| it seems that git-subrepo now behaves differently, or something | 18:50 | ||
| El_Che | git-subrepo has the tendance of exploting sooner or later | 18:51 | |
| for me | 18:52 | ||
| (not in general) | |||
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| ugexe | vrurg: i don't see why it should work. does `git clone [email@hidden.address] work? | 19:32 | |
| vrurg | ugexe: it does. | 19:33 | |
| ugexe | it doesnt for me | ||
| i dont have their ssh key | |||
| vrurg | Perhaps because I have git configured for github account. | 19:34 | |
| ugexe | i mean my git is configured to work with e.g. github | 19:37 | |
| anywho in the config under the git plugin you can change scheme (I think its set to https?). maybe it is not working right for the [email@hidden.address] format | 19:39 | ||
| github.com/ugexe/zef/blob/e7389737...#L144-L147 | |||
| the intention is so user can override ssh based urls with https | 19:40 | ||
| notably the `:` after the .com | |||
| timotimo | .o( zef could also have Log::Timeline support ) | 19:45 | |
| ugexe | most of zef output goes through a "logger", and the logger prints it to the screen | 19:46 | |
| github.com/ugexe/zef/blob/e7389737...m6#L24-L28 | 19:47 | ||
| timotimo | the thing about Log::Timeline is that there's not only events, but also "tasks", and all those will "nest" | ||
| ah, there's phase => START, and i suppose a corresponding phase => FINISH? | 19:48 | ||
| ugexe | enum PHASE is export <BEFORE START LIVE STOP AFTER>; | ||
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| timotimo | Log::Timeline theoretically wants classes to be created for the different things that can "happen" | 19:49 | |
| ugexe | we do not know what all the tasks are before we start | 19:50 | |
| timotimo | right | 19:51 | |
| ugexe | if zef implemented Log::Timeline it would also essentially obsolete that module | 19:52 | |
| timotimo | the logger module you mean? | ||
| ugexe | whatever it does period | ||
| since its not quite the thing that can be implemented with like a plugin | |||
| timotimo | it's very cross-cutting | ||
| it doesn't have to be the only logger, of course | 19:53 | ||
| ugexe | right but what im getting at is zef will never `use Some::External::Module` unless it can be made to work like a plugin. So for zef to implement Log::Timeline is to essentially EOL Log::Timeline because everyone has zef if they want to install Log::Timeline so why bother | 19:54 | |
| timotimo | haha | ||
| i see | |||
| ugexe | along those lines i've pondered on zef generating makefiles which is requires something similar | 19:56 | |
| timotimo | makefiles that would do what? | 19:57 | |
| to do building of perl6 modules based on Build.pm and the stuff in the meta json? | |||
| so a little bit like ufo, but a whole lot more stuff? | |||
| ugexe | fetch, extract, install, everything | ||
| pretty much everything zef does can be broken down into simple shell commands | |||
| except for determining the dependency graph | 19:58 | ||
| timotimo | interesting, so when such a makefile is spat out, you don't need zef any more? | ||
| ugexe | yeah | ||
| i'm not even sure how useful that will ultimately prove. but it seemed like a fun idea | 20:00 | ||
| timotimo | i definitely see why it'd be interesting i think | ||
| ugexe | SmokeMachine: not quite. fields without entries are wrong | 20:01 | |
| m: say CompUnit::DependencySpecification.new(:short-name<Test>).perl | |||
| camelia | CompUnit::DependencySpecification.new(short-name => "Test", source-line-number => 0, from => "Perl6", version-matcher => Bool::True, auth-matcher => Bool::True, api-matcher => Bool::True) | ||
| ugexe | not blank string | ||
| blank string would be :auth<> ala Test:auth<> and nobody does that | 20:03 | ||
| timotimo | we should try putting a module with that in the ecosystem to see if anything breaks | 20:04 | |
| ugexe | you *can* have a module with a blank string as auth | ||
| timotimo | right | ||
| ugexe | m: use Test:auth(""); # but it must exist | ||
| camelia | ===SORRY!=== Could not find Test:auth<> at line 1 in: inst#/home/camelia/.perl6 inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/site inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/vendor inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/shar… |
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| timotimo | right | 20:05 | |
| ugexe | Could not find Test:auth<> -- is a bit disengenious tho | ||
| m: use Test:auth<> | |||
| camelia | Potential difficulties: Pair with <> really means an empty list, not null string; use :auth('') to represent the null string, or :auth() to represent the empty list more accurately at <tmp>:1 ------> 3use Test:auth<>7⏏5<… |
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| ugexe | m: use Test:auth<<>>; # and this just doesn't look right :P | 20:06 | |
| camelia | ===SORRY!=== Could not find Test:auth<> at line 1 in: inst#/home/camelia/.perl6 inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/site inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/vendor inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/shar… |
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| masak | do people use `temp` a lot? I feel it's a bit underused, especially with dynamic variables | 20:11 | |
| (I'm building a recursive thing that keeps $*indent, and `temp` goes very well with that) | |||
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| ugexe | from what i remember it was pretty buggy | 20:38 | |
| when i used it circa 4 years ago | |||
| i was wanting to use a pattern like `use Test; my $foo = ...; subtest "1" { ... }; subtest "2" { temp $foo = ...; ... };` | 20:42 | ||
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| masak | seems to work fine with my use cases, at least | 20:55 | |
| ugexe: if you find something that's still unambiguously buggy, I'd be interested to know about it | |||
| I still haven't found a good, concrete use of `let`. I'm interested to be told how to use it in practice. | |||
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| SmokeMachine | ugexe: thanks! | 21:56 | |
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