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stevan_ audreyt: two papers on traits in C#,.. looks like there might some good stuff for Roles, including a flattening calculus 01:54
www.iam.unibe.ch/~scg/cgi-bin/scgbi...art+traits
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ingy while (NaN != NaN) { x++ } 03:37
hcchien ingy! 03:38
ingy hola hcchien
hcchien ingy: what is your talk in YAPC::Asia? 03:39
ingy I forget. ask miyagawa :p
I think I have 3 03:40
hcchien then what do you want to talk in OSDC.tw?
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ingy hcchien: Jemplate and Wikiwyg 04:03
:)
hcchien ingy: 2 sessions? :) 04:09
hcchien have no idea about Jemplate. :p
miyagawa Wikiwyg, Perldoc and Jemplate 04:49
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svnbot6 r9068 | audreyt++ | * Amazingly, DrIFT.YAML's Bool instance loaded "1" as False, 05:18
r9068 | audreyt++ | "0" as True, thus disrupting the very fabric of universe
r9068 | audreyt++ | (in particular, prevented applying Prelude functions due
r9068 | audreyt++ | to reversed parameter flags.) Mea culpa.
r9069 | audreyt++ | * Makefile.PL: repair "make ghci" by building the syck/pcre/etc 05:21
r9069 | audreyt++ | dependencies first.
r9070 | audreyt++ | * Prim.Yaml: &code.yaml and other non-array, non-hash 05:24
r9070 | audreyt++ | elements is now serialized by simply calling to DrIFT.
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azuroth you remind me of my mother when you do that 07:33
gaal_ audreyt: so, the general precomp loading case (and Test.pm in particular) need a way to call the exporter 07:48
you also mentioned something about closures there
oh, of course, to solve the "my over state" issue
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audreyt yup 07:54
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gaal luqui had some thoughts about how to expose the exporter on the list sometime 08:14
or maybe just that it ought to be exposed on the language level
that implies an accessible scope object if I remember his mail correctly. 08:15
audreyt nod, which is part of an accessible Code object 08:20
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blm Can anyone here tell me what Punie is? It is something Allison Randall is working on. 10:04
Arathorn perl1 running on ponie 10:05
blm oh ok So it isnt perl6 related? 10:06
arcady a perl1 compiler written in parrot
Arathorn gah, parrot
Arathorn applies coffee
arcady compiling to parrot
not really perl6 related 10:07
though presumably the official perl 6 compiler will be written with the same tools
blm PGE is perl6 related?
arcady I'm fairly sure that it is
broquaint It's what Perl6 rules will almost certainly be bassed on, blm. 10:08
blm I think it is Perl6 Grammar Engine for regular expressions but I am not sure
Arathorn parrot grammar engine, iirc 10:09
blm Oh ok thanks :-)
arcady speaking of ponie, is it still alive? 10:10
blm I beleive so but they havent found a replacement pumpking yet :-(
bsb and kicking :)
arcady but the real question is: whom? 10:12
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blm whom? 10:15
Arathorn to who? 10:17
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Alias_ audreyt: ping? 12:42
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svnbot6 r9071 | fglock++ | iterator_engine.pl - finished coro-like engine; started a 13:33
r9071 | fglock++ | small p6-rule parser to test it
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svnbot6 r9072 | fglock++ | iterator_engine.pl - successfully compiles '<word>' 14:15
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Alias_ rafl: You know, I think she just hides these days :) 14:20
rafl Alias_: Which is really bad. 14:22
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svnbot6 r9073 | fglock++ | iterator_engine.pl - greedy match implemented using recursive match 14:43
gaal she's resting, in fact
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Alias_ oh right, israel... timezone change 14:50
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Alias_ just make sure to ban laptop usage in the car and while walking and make her socialise a little :) 14:50
gaal Alias_: huh? she fixed four bugs in the car yesterday after we picked up larry from the airport 15:01
Alias_ heh
Well maybe the first intro period..
audreyt rehi
Arathorn talk of the devil :) 15:02
audreyt no, I'm not hiding, I'm just spending some time in this "outdoor" thing, now that I actually can see it
gaal and taste it
audreyt oy, indeed 15:05
Alias_ heh
audreyt: ok, next set of questions
audreyt: today it's recursion in MI
What was the deal with CPAN.pm >= 1.83 before, and why has it stopped now and just goes off and uses CPANPLUS again 15:06
audreyt the deal was about sudo support I believe 15:07
and CPANPLUS was always preferred if it's installed, IIRC.
Alias_ ah, ok
that's bad
well, from an algorithmic point of view at least 15:08
Also, lots of people seem to hate CPANPLUS (on a pure perception level)
audreyt feel free to revert it, but do note that 1)CPANPLUS-going-into-core is still the plan and 2)it won't affect existing modules
Alias_: I wonder what CPANPLUS is doing in their hard disk then.
Alias_ It's a "they try it, and it breaks" or "needed for $thing" thing 15:09
audreyt I can see an environment variable,or a prompt,or something
that denotes the preference
Alias_ I know about going core, but I think the preference needs to be first to use the SAME as what's already running
So that the recursion logic and skip logic and such is consistent 15:10
audreyt ah. very good solid idea.
yes. I should've thunk of that
Alias_++
Alias_ Also, memory
audreyt already agreed :)
Alias_ oh, and cache files
and double indexing
:)
audreyt already agreed :) :)
Alias_ rubs it in
Fortunately, CPANPLUS leaves an environment variable 15:11
audreyt yup
and CPAN.pm leaves a lock
Alias_ (resisting rewriting AutoInstall as a plugin)
because you can't make the newer features integrate
audreyt there is M::I::AI
rafl audreyt: Do you already know if you can appear at the GPW? Can you tell me how much about Perl 6, the language, you will tell in your Pugs talk?
audreyt rafl: greetings. 15:12
rafl Hello!
audreyt rafl: only this noon, that is 5 hours ago, did I learn that yes, I'll appear at the GPW.
rafl Great :-) 15:13
audreyt rafl: as for the language part, I note a certain rafl will cover it right after my talk
so my answer would be "as much and as few as rafl want it to be" 15:14
rafl: oh, however, I'll be forced to miss the 1st day of GPW 15:15
my flight lands at Dusseldorf at 9:20pm, March 1
theorbtwo Right /after/? That seems like bad scheduling.
Alias_ audreyt: looking at the code in AutoInstall I'm not sure I understand it enough to change it (yet). Can you deal with this?
audreyt theorbtwo: and they don't even have flights on the night of 82th
28th even 15:16
rafl audreyt: Unfortunately I didn't found time get the talk done yet. So I can't tell which things I'll cover which not. :-)
audreyt rafl: we can work it out over the nxt wk
rafl audreyt: That would be great.
audreyt: I need an hour to get my Debian talk for the GPW done and then we can start if you have some tuits. 15:17
audreyt sure
gobby perhaps
rafl audreyt: Re 1st day: No problemo.. I'm almost sure I'll miss at least a part of the 3rd day. I need to go to the Chemnitzer Linux-Tage, which I partly organize. 15:18
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Alias_ aaahh... 15:21
Alias_ finally understands why he had files that couldn't be removed
So CPAN.pm runs sudo make?
that's kind of bad
Because it leaves files hanging around owned by root :/
audreyt Alias_: I committed the "fix" (though it's untested) r104 15:24
the idea should be obvious though from the diff
enjoy
Alias_ You needed to specifically say it's untested?
Is anything tested?
audreyt most things are tested informally, that is locally 15:25
Alias_ Also, testing this thing is going to suck
audreyt I didn't mean unit testing.
but just sanity-check testing
svnbot6 r9074 | gaal++ | * DrIFT.RuleYAML - some minor readability fixes 15:26
r9074 | gaal++ | * redrift .hs files with cosmetic change
Alias_ are you sure just deleting that line is all we need?
Arathorn apt-get install avahi-client
meh
audreyt Alias_: I also changed one line 15:27
Alias_: I'm reasonably sure, but not 100%.
Alias_ ok
I'll leave it in
There's so many changes I think I need to do a devel release or five first anyway
audreyt five sounds good 15:29
and impressive
Alias_ two would be so cliche
audreyt hm, I'll miss the "Was stimmt mit Parrot und Perl 6 nicht?" talk 15:30
Alias_ Actually, I really just want to put the entire Perl toolchain on hold till PITA works
audreyt pity, I'd really like to learn was stimmt nicht
Alias_: *nod*
Alias_ getting closer too
audreyt though "devel release" for M::I is really oxymoronic
Alias_ I just discovered Andreas' APC :)
heh, yeah :) 15:31
oh, and something to ponder
You don't have a way of saying a module's dep is "latest" do you
audreyt "0.0" 15:32
no?
oh wait
Alias_ Because I've been thinking over some of the algorithmic issues relating to tool chain development and bundles and such, and have some way of saying Module => -1 would be useful
audreyt I see what you are saying
"always force upgrade if possible"
Alias_ right
audreyt it's a bit aggresive
Alias_ It's for specific cases
Task::
audreyt but no, I don't think we have that syntax either in MM or in MB
Alias_ Module::Build itself
One of the main properties of installers is they need to force themselves to be upgraded 15:33
audreyt I wonder if specifying NaN as the version number should do that
Alias_ otherwise you have the back-compatability nightmare, but cubed
audreyt (bad idea alert)
Alias_ Well, you need something that triggers an upgrade at first, then can be checked off as ok no matter what happens :) 15:34
Anyways, like I said, something to ponder
audreyt sure.
k
Alias_ get back to me in 2-4 weeks :)
audreyt sure, my response will be "huh?"
Alias_ Oh, and well done choosing an interesting time to go to israel :) 15:35
audreyt I don't think israeli security is more paranoid than they usually are 15:38
(which has hit MAXINT anyway)
so I feel safe. :) 15:39
Alias_ Plus I think the more-worried time is after the Israel elections anyway
Since there's a "wait and see" in place by the looks from here
audreyt *nod* 15:45
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Alias_ audreyt: hrm... it didn't work 16:39
Dispatching deprecated method 'CPAN::Config::load' to CPAN::HandleConfigOdd number of elements in hash assignment at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4/CPAN/HandleConfig.pm line 237
Also, kane suggests you might be using a deprecated CPANPLUS::Config method too 16:40
audreyt Alias_: okay... I'm packing to the hackathon, so feel free to investigate/revert/do other things 16:41
Alias_ ok, will investigate and see if I can do a quick fix
If not, you might need to have a go, and then maybe rope in Andreas and Kane
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Alias_ buzz me when you get there and are able to have a go 16:44
audreyt k 16:46
Alias_ hits the debugger in the mean time
oh dear, it's trivial...
but bad
CPAN::Config->load is deprecated
bsb putter: ping 16:47
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warlock sorry, because my question is on perl 5: does someone know XS? 17:05
broquaint No one can really know XS ... 17:06
Alias_ yes, but only one at a time
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warlock Alias_, you know XS, is not it true? 17:06
audreyt warlock: I do. what's the question?
Alias_ Actually, no
I know how to make a constant function in XS (both true AND undef) and that's it 17:07
Which is about the equivalent of "Hello World" in XS
warlock audreyt, I have a .so, and I would use it in a perl-module. Do you sudgest me to include the source-code and recompile it, or link the .so to my .xs?? 17:08
Alias_ Can you legally include the code, and how big is it
Also, do you want this to work on Windows 17:09
i.e. CPAN
audreyt warlock: consider Inline::C
warlock Alias_, the code is mine and is a bit long
Alias_ multiple files?
audreyt read Inline::C-Cookbook on "Exposing Shared Libraries"
warlock audreyt, please, I don't want use Inline
Alias_ :)
audreyt: BTW, the problem is that CPAN::Config->load got deprecated 17:10
Now CPAN::HandleConfig->load
So I'll be fine fixing it
warlock audreyt, you don't know in XS? 17:11
audreyt, I mean: you don't know how can do it in XS?
Alias_ warlock: XS is more complicated and takes more time to learn than inline::c
audreyt warlock: er, I do. you declare LIBS=>"-lyour_so_file" in Makefile.PL 17:12
and OTHERLDFLAGS => "-L/path/to/lib"
warlock Alias_, I know and I use XS usually. But I have problems this time
Alias_ ah
audreyt warlock: and then put #include "your_library.h" in a YourLibrary.xs 17:13
and use the functions normally
read perlxstut for the syntax
warlock audreyt, unfortunatly the problem is not so easy, it is because I have already tried in that way, but it tells me "no link is needed"
audreyt it can be caused by any number of reasons... 17:14
warlock audreyt, I have already tried it
audreyt, I cannot see one, help me
Alias_ have you asked the XS mailing list? 17:15
It is relatively popular, and if there's some place to get detailed help, it is there
audreyt warlock: ask perl-xs... but frankly, give Inline::C a try
warlock Alias_, no I have not
Alias_ subscribe to the perl-xs list, or use the nntp gateway 17:16
audreyt also if you really dislike Inline::C, swig can write the bindings for you too
Alias_ those guys are relatively active
audreyt nowadays I only use Inline or Swig for scaffolding
warlock audreyt, sorry, but I prefer to do at the lower level
audreyt warlock: well, then my help at that level is limited then. sorry :/
(swig doesn't even introduce dependencies to your code's users, so please consider it)
warlock audreyt, you are very kind, do you know someone that he knows this trouble solution? 17:17
Alias_ ugh... testing Module::Install is a nightmare... 17:18
Because it uses it's own code before you get a chance to test it
audreyt warlock: perl-xs
Alias_ We may need to port the MI Makefile.PL back to pure MakeMaker :(
warlock audreyt, you mean the manpage, is not it true?
Alias_ Although the current situation DOES allow nice casual testing 17:19
audreyt warlock: no, I mean the mailing list
Alias_: I wouldn't mind if you set it up so that it uses another copy of itself in inc/
Alias_: instead of using lib
it may be better from a maintainence viewpoint
warlock audreyt, do you think is is the lonely solution?
Alias_ Well, it's more that if there's a bug in, say, _load_cpan, then if breaks before the tests get a chance to test 17:20
warlock: Of curiosity, where are you from?
audreyt warlock: *nod*
warlock Alias_, Italy and you?
Alias_ Australia
Your English is _very_ clean and correct
warlock audreyt, please, what does mean "*nod*?
Alias_ But yet not polluted with slang
warlock Alias_, I have been there :-) 17:21
Alias_ doesn't see such English very often
warlock: nod = head up and down movement
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warlock Alias_, thank you 17:21
Alias_, where do you live in Au?
Alias_ where's purl when you need her :)
<purl> alias, your location is maps.google.com/maps?ll=-28.809478,...&hl=en or xrl.us/hkwu or practically underwater or now officially pub brawl capital of Australia or Lismore, NSW, AU 17:22
(easier than trying to explain, even to other australians)
warlock Alias_, new south walles 17:23
Alias_ up the top on the right, yes :)
If you heard of Byron Bay, I'm there and in a bit
as you can see from the Google
warlock Alias_, near to brisbane?
Alias_ 3 hours
(south)
warlock Alias_, Byron Bay where there is big-fish watching? 17:24
Alias_ whales? yes
warlock Alias_, Balena-watching, is not it true? 17:25
Alias_ Balena?
warlock Alias_, whale watching, is not it true? 17:26
Alias_ yes
warlock Alias_, then YESS I have seen
Alias_ warlock: Also, you can s/is not it true/right/
(to spoil your very upperclass english) 17:27
warlock Alias_, sorry I don't understand, please explain me
Alias_, my english is terrible :-( 17:28
Alias_ takes it out of channel
audreyt purrs in agreement 17:29
warlock audreyt, sorry, a last question: perl6 has the XS equivalent? 17:30
audreyt warlock: Perl 6 allows you to use foreign code either inline or as a module
Alias_ and to use other languages as well 17:31
in many more ways
warlock audreyt, it is upper then XS, is not it true?
Alias_, have you seen White-clif??
Alias_ no 17:32
(it's scary that in a reasonable time-frame to reply I can have no idea what you are talking about, google it, look up the details, and know enough to answer) 17:33
warlock Alias_, it is nother then Bourke
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audreyt warlock: for example, it might be so that this'd work: 17:33
use c:sqlite3;
my $dbh = sqlite3_prepare(...);
warlock audreyt, I get it 17:36
audreyt, but it hides what perl does
audreyt, XS sows you everything
audreyt it actually doesn't
but I don't feel like arguing :) 17:37
warlock audreyt, I see
ok, thank you all for your help 17:38
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Alias_ oh dear... 17:39
audreyt: what on earth is this testing stuff? 17:40
Test.pm is some weird pre-TAP thing?
oh wait, never mind
svnbot6 r9075 | gaal++ | * DrIFT.YAML: more readability fixes (thanks, audreyt) 17:47
r9075 | gaal++ | * redrift
audreyt Alias_: Test.pm is a post-TAP thing but pre-5.8 (core Test::More) thing 17:55
Alias_ ok
and according to some, always returns PASS or something...
Some weird smoke test implications or something? 17:56
audreyt only if used in correctly
s/in /in//
Alias_ is it detectable?
if, say, I was rechecking the output
audreyt Test.pm always returns PASS?
never heard of that
it should conform with TAP
Alias_ I've asked barbie for the details
It came up on qa list
gaal repeat "ok\n" -- conforms with TAP 17:57
Alias_ "repeat"? 17:58
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Alias_ well it is #perl6
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cognominal audreyt: you don't blog anymore? reading it was my way to keep up to date with pugs 18:03
like if I had any right to complain :)
audreyt cognominal: I'm, in fact, just started blogging
cognominal: the upshot is I get massively distracted by this Reality thing 18:04
cognominal thx for everything btw... 18:05
audreyt *smile*
Arathorn has been missing the blog too, for what little it's worth :)
audreyt fwiw, I miss the blog too
I first paused a bit because of massive media onslaught
they translated almost every entry and comment and put them to newspaper and TVs 18:06
(in the audrey blog, that is)
Alias_ audreyt: btw, when did CPANPLUS get sudo support?
audreyt Alias_: 0.05x iirc
Alias_ because, as I mentioned, running make as root is not good
it leaves stale root-owned files around
wolverian it only does sudo make install for me.. 18:07
Alias_ wolverian: if you have dependencies that will run at make time you need sudo or run it as root
to install the dependencies
cognominal audreyt: you did not yet made to the French tabloids, not that I check them closely :)
wolverian "make time"?
audreyt cognominal: thank $deity 18:08
audreyt had to delete spam^Wsolicits from media from her blogs comments daily
cognominal but I suppose that if you made it in more serious papesr, it will advance the cause of like minded people. 18:09
Alias_ need a better blog
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audreyt cognominal: I care very little of advancing causes... I think abstract concepts kills more people than other causes 18:09
cognominal I almost said like minded men :) oops
audreyt :) 18:11
Alias_ so?
Alias_ is a relatively like-minded man to audreyt
audreyt praises rlwrap's utility
theorbtwo What's the current location of the blogs -- esp the tech blog? 18:13
audreyt pugs.blogs.com
fglock what is the recommended method to generate code, once you have a grammar?
theorbtwo Oh. There's nothing new there since new-years; I thought you were going to a daily or near-daily again.
(Lunar new years, that is.) 18:14
Er, sorry, that sounded complaigning, didn't it. 18:17
svnbot6 r9076 | fglock++ | iterator_engine.pl - can parse a simple rule, but doesn't generate 18:24
r9076 | fglock++ | code yet
audreyt theorbtwo: yeah. but the paparazzi thing really drained me of energy
(and in fact I'm still recovering -- sleeping 11+ hours each day since I landed in .il) 18:25
Alias_ paparazzi? 18:28
theorbtwo Roger.
cognominal paparazzi? oh, that got that weird? 18:29
hum, I am tempted to start a rumor about Eric Ramyond changing sex if that could slow his racist hainous blog :) 18:31
szbalint The "I'm with these guys" guy? 18:32
Alias_ yes 18:33
:)
Juerd cognominal: url?
cognominal esr.ibiblio.org/ # all is armed and dangerous stuff is nauseous, up to par with Ann Coulter :( 18:35
with these people, no wonder america hate is spreading like wildfire. 18:36
audreyt szbalint: I love the "I'm with these guys" comics
Alias_ Everybody Loves Eric Raymond 18:37
cognominal Oh, that? I love it too
even if the part "I love Raymond" is lost to me. 18:38
theorbtwo Everybody Loves Raymond is a bad American sitcom. 18:39
cognominal yea, that's what I mean, I don't know what it is 18:40
Alias_ middling
audreyt dinner... brb
Alias_ not particularly smart, but ratings successful
x $action
ack
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svnbot6 r9077 | fglock++ | iterator_engine.pl - simplified "ast"; working (incomplete) p6-rule 19:09
r9077 | fglock++ | parser
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audreyt one journal entry done, three more to go... (I wonder if I can finish them tonight) 21:01
theorbtwo You have four journals? 21:02
Alias_ english, simp chinese, binary, and audrian (to remind herself) 21:03
theorbtwo s/positive) on it/positive) spin on it/
audreyt theorbtwo: no, it's all for pugs.blogs.com/pugs/ 21:04
one for general recap, one for DrIFTing, one for pX and perl6-rules-running-on-perl5, and one for plans of the upcoming hackathon, including lexical pad redesign
Alias_: actually, I don't write simp Chinese... it's trad Chinese for me :) 21:05
wolverian audreyt++ # hooray, journal
Arathorn chortles at $Larry having been lurking on the #perl6 logs and waves at the camera
wolverian heh
Alias_ audreyt: oh dear... you mean ACTUAL papparazzi?
theorbtwo Oh, cool.
Alias_ reads blog
joy... 21:06
audreyt Alias_: yeah. realspace papparazzi.
sucks. 21:07
Alias_ Reasons to keep your journal to work/google/papparazzi topics
Alias_ notes no photo of his dog or self has ever appeared online
I'm more glad I put that rule on myself with each passing year
The worst I can dredge up is some silly common on how to defeat spammers 21:08
comment
(which isn't so bad now I reckon I have an actual way) :)
audreyt: Look at it this way, now you don't have to do commercial work 21:09
audreyt: Just "sell your story" as they say to some women's gossip rag, make a couple of years worth of spare cash, and then ... erm... leave the country agian/
?
But then I'm speaking from 10,000km, and a language/cultural barrier away, so what do I know 21:10
Alias_ waves to Larry. HI LARRY!
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Arathorn Alias_: guess that depends how much you consider your right to privacy to be worth... :/ 21:12
Alias_ Arathorn: audreyt lost that age 10
Arathorn would rather do commercial work, and try to align it with non-commercial interests
Alias_ (ish... right) 21:13
Arathorn well, spheres of privacy are relative
Alias_ true 21:17
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audreyt Alias_: selling out doesn't align well with me :) 21:28
anyone got a link to chromatic's rant on #perl6 a while ago? (i.e. which day was that)
about how pugs sucks because it took 8hrs to the whole cycle to complete on his ibook?
Alias_ audreyt: I'd prefer to frame it that since you have people camping out for photos ANYWAY, why not sling it all at one single magazine to get rid of the others, and at the same time set yourself up to walk the earth free of work issues for a year or so 21:29
or just give it to me, so I can do it instead 21:30
:)
audreyt Alias_: I didn't think that algorithm works in general :)
Alias_ PITA - Generously funded by Tapai Womens Weekly
audreyt (and still don't)
Alias_ Even better, give them naming rights 21:31
Tapai Womens Weekly PITA
ugh, spelling
audreyt: Seems to work well for actors with wedding photos and baby photos
gaal audreyt: colabti.de/irclogger/irclogger_log/...8,Wed#l558 21:32
Alias_ Also, Module::Signature hates me
audreyt Alias_: said actors remains privacyless for a quite long time
which I don't enjoy :)
Alias_ true
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Arathorn shame that google doesn't index colabti.de properly... 21:40
svnbot6 r9078 | fglock++ | iterator_engine.pl - split into "parser engine" and "p6-rule parser" 21:41
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clkao audreyt: what can i expect from the upcoming hackthon 21:48
Alias_ hopes for "getting people to fix all audreyt's CPAN bugs so she doesn't have to" 21:51
clkao ya, m::i is not setting the right provides: 21:52
Alias_ oh, that's one of many
You should see the stuff I've dug up lately
Are you tracking svn? 21:53
clkao no
Alias_ pull a copy and take a look at Changes so far for 0.57
clkao i don't know where it got the 1.06 from... it's not in my dist at all
Alias_ hmm? 21:54
clkao it addes provides: 1.06 for me
Alias_ weird...
clkao maybe it got them from the installed version
audreyt clkao: a much faster "make; make test" cycle; a useful pugs -BPerl5
clkao where's the svn url?
Alias_ How do you get the URL of a svn checkout 21:55
svnbot6 r9079 | fglock++ | iterator_engine_p6regex.pl - simplified rule::rule construction 21:56
clkao svn info
Alias_ svn.openfoundry.org/modinstall/trunk
clkao the provide is still broken 22:00
Alias_ yep
But I can only fix one thing at a time, and even those I'm walking on eggshells
I'm _supposed_ to just be the documentor
Alias_ stares at audreyt
clkao but i want to make a release 22:01
audreyt clkao: we just use what M::B provides 22:02
clkao but it says provides: 1.06, i guess that's the installed version!
Alias_ clkao: Can you give any more information?
hunt the problem down in the debugger?
clkao my version is 1.99_01
audreyt clkao: mv away the installed version? 22:03
FWIW, it doesn't do that for me
(I just recheked out svk and regenned META.yml) 22:04
clkao ok, now lib/SVK.pm has the right version. but all others are emptyuu
Alias_ It might be a good idea to have all the files have the same version
manually set, not auto
audreyt clkao: this is what is genned here 22:05
Alias_ I keep finding reasons to have it...
audreyt perlcabal.org/~autrijus/tmp/META.yml
clkao hum, that's totally differnt from here. i am using m::i head
Alias_ should be no difference in provides functionality
clkao the version: is correct though
Alias_ Could the implicit auto_provides be seeing different MANIFESTS? 22:06
(wild guess)
audreyt trunk MI here too
clkao bizzare
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Alias_ clkao: btw, does svk use C/XS? 22:06
because that's broken at the head
brokenish
clkao mb 2611 ?
no.
Alias_ goodo, carry on 22:07
svnbot6 r9080 | fglock++ | iterator_engine_p6regex.pl - implemented parenthesis
r9080 | fglock++ | with rule::parenthesis
uzair hi all -- not to interrupt, but could someone give me thoughts on what the problem is here: 22:08
bash-3.00$ perl Makefile.PL
** Note that Cygwin support for pugs still depends on the .msi
version of GHC and does not provide POSIX features absent
from an MSYS build. If you wish to fix this please refer to:
www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/5.04/html/...build.html
www.reed.edu/~carlislp/ghc6-doc/use...11221.html
*** Probing configuration (please ignore any warnings)...
*** ghc not found in path. Looking in C:/ghc
*** Found C:/ghc/ghc-6.4.1/bin/ghc.exe
Chasing modules from: Setup.lhs 22:09
Compiling Main ( Setup.lhs, Setup.o )
Linking ...
ghc-pkg.exe: cannot find package plugins
Alias_ ugh, flood
uzair
pugs-tmp-4928.hs:4:2: Not in scope: `setCatchSignals'
pugs-tmp-4928.hs:5:2: Not in scope: `setCatchSigwinch'
audreyt ugh. a link to the p6c post would do
uzair Substitution pattern not terminated at (eval 12) line 1.
my apologies
audreyt uzair: did Makefile.PL simply die after that?
uzair yes
flood again with output from 'perl -d Makefile.pl'? ;)
audreyt please use sial.org/pbot/perl6
but yes, -d would help 22:10
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pasteling "uzair" at 87.80.116.140 pasted "output from 'perl -d Makefile.PL' -- crashing during linking because ghc-pkg.exe can't 'find package plugins'" (20 lines, 914B) at sial.org/pbot/15939 22:10
bsb Hi, I'm getting an ld error with ghc for a lib I just installed. How to I tell ghc where to find the .a? 22:11
audreyt bsb: -optl-L/path/to/a perhaps? 22:12
bsb will try, thanks
audreyt uzair: it's caused by ' in your pathname 22:13
fixing
fixed
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Alias_ crap crap crap 22:15
audreyt uzair: welcome to AUTHORS 22:16
r9081 should fix it
uzair_ ah
audreyt a commit bit is on your way
svnbot6 r9081 | audreyt++ | * Uzair pointed out that build fails if the pathname to pugs
r9081 | audreyt++ | contained the ' character.
uzair_ more like 'Uzair whined until Audrey figured out what was going on, then whined some more for an explanation' :) 22:18
so, just 'svn update' and try again?
audreyt yup
uzair_ gracias, i'll give it a whirl
brilliant, working now 22:19
bsb duh. I just needed to use -package
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audreyt gaal: wow, precompiled prelude was there for ~9 months 22:24
oh wait, no, it's just the prelude
precomp is since July
7.5 months
bsb duh-duh. or --make 22:25
gaal sounds right 22:26
how many tests did we have then? :)
audreyt 351 22:29
616 now
(files, not subtests)
Alias_ audreyt: Can you think why a file might have a wrong signature?
gaal and already then it was worth it
audreyt Alias_: bad luck?
Alias_ nope, happened twice 22:30
audreyt CRLF issues most likely then
I thought I fixed all of them
gaal Alias_: one more time and it's enemy action :)
Alias_ audreyt: my newline localiser doesn't complain, at least on unix
on Win32 here...
CPAN.pm's Todo file is getting wrong signature 22:31
Andreas is convinced that Module::Signature is to blame :) 22:32
audreyt I always agree with him :) 22:33
though just one file?
Alias_ yes 22:34
audreyt then it's getting the wrong hash
from SHA1
gaal audreyt: I'm pulling initPreludePC out to Run.hs. is -fno-full-laziness -fno-cse harmful there?
Alias_ right
audreyt gaal: no
gaal cool. 22:35
audreyt Alias_: maybe it's -B
Alias_ -B?
audreyt does -B "ToDo" return true?
see line 529 M::Sig
Alias_ undef
audreyt maybe ->addfile is to blame then 22:36
maybe we should crlf the binmode
look at line 276
and copy that heuristics there perhaps?
(or forward this discussion to ANDK and see if he can make some sense out of it)
I'm going to sleep soon after journaling
Alias_ no joy on the crlf 22:41
if ($] >= 5.006 and <D> =~ /\r/) { 22:42
That looks pretty suspicious
audreyt it's ANDK's code
Alias_ ah 22:43
not to mention this talk of dosnames 22:44
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audreyt no tuits to finish journaling for rules-on-p5 and lexpads 23:01
and I need to wake up tomorrow before noon for the hackathon
oh well... at least the DrIFT entry is up
good night folks, see you tomorrow :)
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