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svnbot6 r10273 | lwall++ | Double quoted strings need to be careful about unmatched curlies. 00:29
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pmichaud_ I see some tests in pugs/trunk/t/rules/from_perl6_rules/stdrules.t that don't seem to follow S05 -- where should I comment? 00:57
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audreyt you got a commit bit :) 01:00
pmichaud_ okay, I'll adjust it that way then :-)
it involves removing a number of tests :-)
audreyt they were from dconway's Perl6::Rules :)
nodnod. that's fine :) 01:01
pmichaud_ I'll adjust later; have to run to the store
do commits to the svn.perl.org repo make it into the pugs repo, or do I need to checkout/commit directly to pugs? 01:02
audreyt pugs->svn.perl.org is one way mirror
so checkin to the pugs one is preferred
pmichaud_ okay, just checking. no problem.
audreyt pmichaud++
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audreyt starts step 0 of Capturizing Pugs: hack Val to support true objects 01:32
however I wonder if we should roll an interim 6.2.12 before I destroy all the internals :) 01:33
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audreyt it's been 3 months, and the changes are much more than worthy for a point release already... 01:33
thoughts?
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obra Do it. 01:35
Good for getting into stable linux dists.
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audreyt yeah. and the 3x+ speedup is nontrivial :) 01:36
k. will triage a bit then 01:37
helps welcome on looking at smoke.pugscode.org and TODOize nonregressions, as well as highlight regressions here
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gaal did we have a release after Arbel? 05:11
wow that's a lot of changelogging :)
svnbot6 r10274 | pmichaud++ | Update some tests to be consistent with S05. (They're still marked "todo", 05:31
r10274 | pmichaud++ | but at least they're syntactically correct for now.)
TimToady pmichaud: what's up with the rules/rules.t that says it's moving to parrot land? 05:34
pmichaud_ TimToady: I dunno -- hadn't looked at that or seen it yet 05:56
I think it may be a reference to the fact that pge/parrot has a copy of most of these tests in its own test directory 05:57
(in t/compilers/pge/p5regex) 05:58
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svnbot6 r10275 | spinclad++ | Initial checkin of Judy-1.0.3/{doc,src} 06:22
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svnbot6 r10276 | spinclad++ | - doc changes for proposed JudyHS iterators: 07:32
r10276 | spinclad++ | add JudyHS{First,Next,Last,Prev,MaxLength} and JHS{F,N,L,P,ML}
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azuroth androids! everybody needs good androids! androids have feelings too! 08:18
lumi OT but can anyone resolve cvs.sourceforge.net? 08:20
Arathorn nope 08:21
azuroth not here... 08:22
lumi Not just me then
Arathorn (it's back now) 08:31
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lumi True, thanks 08:31
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Arathorn tries to work out if there's any more elegant way of finding if two Judy1's key sets intersect than doing a linear scan through both, side by side, and seeing if the keys ever 'line up' 09:32
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svnbot6 r10277 | audreyt++ | * bool::true is now Bool::True. 10:01
r10277 | audreyt++ | * True is now a valid literal.
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svnbot6 r10278 | audreyt++ | * Some other Bool::True and Bool::False fixes. 10:16
drbean ratchet suggests to me backtracking (freewheeling) rather than its opposite, fixed gears, to me. 10:17
svnbot6 r10279 | audreyt++ | * In Pugs shell, :d and :D (dump parse tree) now continues 10:25
r10279 | audreyt++ | the parse from the current environment; use :reset to
r10279 | audreyt++ | reset the environment.
r10280 | audreyt++ | * sub_calls.t: change space-dot to long-dot.
r10280 | audreyt++ | * Unspecced:
r10280 | audreyt++ | foo'bar';
r10280 | audreyt++ | does this need to parse as foo('bar')? 10:26
r10281 | audreyt++ | * var.t: double-declaration: 10:29
r10281 | audreyt++ | my $x; my $x;
r10281 | audreyt++ | is a parseok, not a parsefail.
r10282 | audreyt++ | * Support for $ENV::x and $+x.
r10282 | audreyt++ | * Unspecced: Does this *set* the ENV?
r10282 | audreyt++ | $+PATH = 'foo';
r10282 | audreyt++ | * Unspecced: What does this mean?
r10282 | audreyt++ | @+PATH = <foo bar>;
r10283 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.AST: bare-block-as-statement no longer cause two
r10283 | audreyt++ | OUTER scopes be created.
audreyt bbiab 10:31
svnbot6 r10284 | audreyt++ | * Parser: Correct the parsing for
r10284 | audreyt++ | f(((a=>1)))
r10284 | audreyt++ | so it's now a positional, not named, argument.
r10284 | audreyt++ | * Parser: The (:name) pair form now means :name(Bool::True),
r10284 | audreyt++ | not :name(1).
r10285 | audreyt++ | * %*ENV.exists('FOO') now returns True even when FOO is set
r10285 | audreyt++ | to empty string, for example:
r10285 | audreyt++ | export FOO=
r10286 | audreyt++ | * Parser.Operator: Don't treat named-only functions as unary. 10:32
r10286 | audreyt++ | sub f (:$x!) {}
r10286 | audreyt++ | does not make "f" into an unary preifx.
r10287 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.AST.Internals: Remove the unused "MonadEval" class.
wolverian oh, Prelude imports Bool now? yay :) 10:58
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theorbtwo drbean: I think the short answer to that is "learn more mechanics". 11:06
A ratchet will only rotate one direction.
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cognominal ...or learn more english, I had to go for the dictionnary definition to get it 11:30
broquain1 How do I fix this (it's a make error): Could not find module `Data.FastPackedString' # A ghc upgrade?
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pasteling Someone at 220.239.0.89 pasted "O_O" (1 line, 3B) at sial.org/pbot/17138 11:40
Cynic er
something in that rings alarm bells in my head
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audreyt broquaint: hi 12:09
broquaint: nopaste the error?
broquaint: there should be nothing inm pugs that imports D.FPS anymore 12:10
broquaint: see if nuking dist/ works? or a fresh checkout
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broquaint I'll do a fresh checkout and try again ...
audreyt aha. no need 12:12
just rm src/Data/Yaml/Syck.hs
and perl Makefile.PL ; make
again
broquaint Making ... 12:13
gaal hey 12:14
audreyt gaal: yo!
a release! :)
gaal audreyt, I've been updating CodeGen.YAML and Prim.Eval to use the CompUnit datatype 12:15
so it's forwaard compatible, seeing as we're releasing soon
audreyt please commit asap
gaal got a weird error here: Couldn't match `Pad' against `Map Pugs.Types.Var PadEntry 12:16
I thought Pad *was* Map Pugs.Types.Var PadEntry
audreyt no
it's newtyped
need a MkPad
broquaint That looks to have fixed it. Thanks, audreyt :)
audreyt np :)
gaal (this is after changing compunit's pad from TVar Pad to just Pad
ahhhh
okay :)
trym coffee, anyone? 12:17
audreyt trym: sure, /dcc me a cup 12:18
trym ooh wouldnt that have been nice
faxing stuff etc
I used to dream about that when I was little.. a magic fax..
gaal lunch, bbiab & 12:23
audreyt :) 12:25
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broquaint What's the earliest version of GHC needed for pugs? 12:48
audreyt 6.4.1
broquaint Groovy, I'm going to add that to the Makefile.PL. 12:49
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svnbot6 r10288 | broquaint++ | * Added what the minimum version of GHC is required when it isn't installed. 12:56
gaal uh, remind me, are guards allowed in case expressions? 12:57
audreyt sure 12:58
gaal case x of y | y == 42 || y == 54 -> ...
audreyt that works
case x of
y | y == 42 || y == 54 -> ...
you can also use pattern guards.
gaal: saw the moose.jpg? 12:59
gaal <- |
no?
what moose.jpg
audreyt it's a gift to you :)
pugs.blogs.com/photos/porcelain/moose.jpg
gaal oo!
!! 13:00
thank you so much!
audreyt :D
gaal wow, there's also a cheshire lambda nearby 13:01
audreyt that's for yuval :)
gaal this is very, very cool 13:02
audreyt :)) 13:03
gaal the Generator type needs changing to String -> Eval Val (from simply Eval Val), where the arg is a description 13:05
but that can wait till after the release
audreyt "description"?
gaal name of compilation unit 13:06
audreyt oh. yup.
try avoid String from now on -- "type" it to CompUnitName
gaal but for now i'll remove that field from CompUnit. good thing there's a version field :)
sure
audreyt well heh, just -- it away
gaal eyah 13:07
audreyt I'll take a look at String->'ing it
gaal ehh, what gives String -> [Word8] ? (for packing a show'n version number) 13:08
svnbot6 r10289 | audreyt++ | * drift.pl: DrIFT doesn't handle newtype deriving, so we handle that for it
audreyt "encode" 13:09
gaal thanks :)
audreyt surprisingly, the same name as perl5 :)
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audreyt ludan: greetings 13:13
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svnbot6 r10290 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.AST.Internals: convert two "data" into "newtype" 13:14
r10290 | audreyt++ | (InitDat and Pad) in the vain hope of boosting some performance.
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drbean theorbtwo: Because you have a ratchet in a freewheel on a bicycle, you can backpedal. 13:29
If there is no ratchet, ie it is a fixed gear, you can't backpedal.
gaal Haskellearners, bookmark this: research.microsoft.com/~simonpj/Has...uards.html
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audreyt yeah, this is the Real Reason why pugs started to be ghc specific 13:31
instead of even trying to get anywhere near haskell98
gaal audreyt: I won't be available much in the next 16 hours, unfortunately 13:33
audreyt that's fine, I don't plan that soon a release 13:34
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svnbot6 r10291 | audreyt++ | * ext/: more bool::[true|false] --> Bool::[True|False] change. 13:37
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svnbot6 r10292 | fglock++ | PCR - :ratchet subrule call 13:45
particle_ i must be doing something wrong...
nopaste?
gaal urg. I broke the yaml parsing but I'm not sure why.
perlbot nopaste
perlbot Paste your code here and #<channel> will be able to view it: sial.org/pbot/<channel>
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particle_ probably me not specifying it correctly 13:47
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gaal "Parrot linking not supported with MSVC. Parrot linking will be disabled." 13:47
what compiler are you using?
particle_ ah
yep, too early for me. msvc
can that be fixed? 13:48
audreyt probably yes
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particle_ is there a pointer to why it's broken? 13:48
audreyt but none of us had enough mingw+msvc tuits
ghc uses gcc
well, you can comment out the test and see howit breaks 13:49
particle_ well, i'll attempt to build pugs with msvc first, then worry about fixes
audreyt nod.
particle_ is the test in makefile.pl, or ... i'll look it up
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audreyt line 267 m.pl 13:50
particle_ failing on data.yaml.syck
Compiling Data.Yaml.Syck ( src/Data/Yaml/Syck.hs, dist\build\src/Data/Yaml/Syck.o ) 13:51
C:\DOCUME~1\particle\LOCALS~1\Temp\ghc2436.hc:9:29: ../../syck/syck.h: No such file or directory
audreyt please rm src/Data/Yaml/Syck.hs
particle_ okie
audreyt m.pl now rm's it for you :) 13:52
svnbot6 r10293 | audreyt++ | * unlink src/Data/Yaml/Syck.hs to resolve a FAQ.
gaal audreyt: could you please take a look at perlcabal.org/gaal/tmp/cu.0.diff 13:53
I get a "no parse" on reading the data back
not sure why.
(I know I still have an asymmetry writing a VInt and assuming a native Haskell var, but I don't think that's it.) 13:54
audreyt looking 13:56
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audreyt how do I test this? 13:56
gaal rm blib6/lib/Prelude.pm.yml ; make ; ./pugs 'say 42' 13:57
generating the prelude will work, reading it won't.
I had half of a patch to add coordinates to YAML errors, but it'd have bloated the nodes a lot so I let it go 13:58
now I'm sorry I didn't keep it around :(
that "no parse" error is a pain (get ready to ^c some looong output) 13:59
audreyt well, building profiled and +RTS -xs 14:02
can give you the stack trace.
gaal noted. I won't have time to build one today though - have to leave in ~15min :( 14:08
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svnbot6 r10294 | audreyt++ | * src/syck and src/cbits is no more. 14:09
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audreyt and I need to sleep also :/
particle_: just run "make" again
particle_ ok, is that the standard answer? :)
gaal that and try tweaking ghc heap sizes in config.yml :) 14:17
particle_ keep trying make until it works?
i see
gaal (if you do that you need to regen Makefile though)
particle_ does regen makefile force full rebuild?
audreyt not at all. 14:18
particle_ ah, unlike parrot. nice.
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gaal I have to go, see y'all 14:21
audreyt have fun :)
gaal thanks, good night :)
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svnbot6 r10295 | audreyt++ | * Data.ByteString.Seq: first cut at a "Rope" data type. 15:43
rgs cut the rope ?
spinclad trim to fit 15:44
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audreyt TimToady: does this still work? 16:07
say'hi';
leo audreyt: a cord implementation is inside Boehm GC src 16:13
which is e.g. inside gcc src 16:14
audreyt ah. nice. 16:18
with immutable strings and sharing, I think some kind of concat-tree will be a win in the long run 16:20
leo copy short pieces and concat-node long once, yes
audreyt exactly 16:21
also, slurping 1GB files as concat-chunks
ingy tasty
like bubble tea 16:22
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TimToady audreyt: say'hi' works up till the moment someone defines a ' postfix operator. 17:03
particle_ or possibly infix also, yes? 17:04
like infix:' can be defined as '::' :) 17:06
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pmichaud TimToady: thank you thank you for not using :skip :-) 17:16
(in S05)
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audreyt yay, sanity prevailed. 17:27
#(...) is still considered "whitespace".
TimToady: given 17:30
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audreyt proto int($?) { ... } 17:30
that defaults to $_
it's very strange to think that
Int
would mean int($_)
also, the fact that Rand != Rand 17:31
is a bit weird as well
not so sure about autouppercasing in general
also, sometimes the function name has no uppercase ;) 17:32
bbl &
wolverian I dislike uppercase function names when the return value varies (e.g. Time)
s,uppercase,capitalized, 17:33
I guess that's fairly arbitrary.. 17:35
TimToady audreyt: why should int() default to $_? But yes, we'd have to think about collisions with type names. 17:36
wolverian in general, it feels better to me to denote types somehow, and without sigils, capitalisation seems obvious. 17:37
audreyt TimToady: well, it's not been specced to not default to $_
and in perl5 it does
and rule -1 is that "perl5 is the fallback" :) 17:38
particle_ wwp5d
TimToady as with Jesus, the correct answer is "something surprising".
Juerd Why should it not default to $_? 17:39
int is meaningless without arguments
TimToady Maybe it's *only* provisional Foo that looks for foo()
Juerd So a default, and thus $_, seems in order...
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particle_ can't you do that with .int? 17:40
audreyt TimToady: the motivation for this is trying to do away with optional-unary?
TimToady yes, all the default-to-$_ forms are much less important to support now.
Juerd particle_: You can.
particle_: But why make argless int invalid?
TimToady that was part of the intent of inventing .foo in the first place.
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Juerd TimToady: I agree that .int is better style, but breaking mental compatibility should not be done so lightly. 17:41
particle_ juerd: it's *too* magical. at least the dot provides some context
audreyt it shouldn't be done selectively.
PerlJam What does ".int" mean?
audreyt I'm in favour of removing _all_ ?=$_ ;)
particle_ $_.int
audreyt that is, all optional unary that defaults to $_.
PerlJam gotcha
Juerd TimToady: If un-defaulting means a case of ambiguity is solved, then I'm all for it. But I don't see any negative side effects to having int default to $_, especially now that we have lexical $_ and CALLER::
PerlJam I guess I could have figured that out, but it doesn't hurt to ask :-)
Juerd PerlJam: It only hurts to answer ;) 17:42
particle_ thinks the evalbots should be renamed wwp5d and wwp6d
TimToady P5: length / 5
Juerd TimToady: Okay, I'm convinced. 17:43
audreyt actually, that is... a parsefail
?eval int / 5
TimToady audreyt: it seems a bit odd to undef default $_ on built-ins when every bare block is =CALLER::<$_>
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evalbot_10296 Error: unexpected end of input expecting "\\", "$/", "$!" or "/" 17:43
audreyt and it's probably not my bug :)
TimToady er, I mean OUTER:: 17:44
Juerd ?eval say int / 5; # See doc/blah.pod
evalbot_10296 Error: unexpected "b" expecting term postfix, comment, operator, ":", ",", postfix conditional, postfix loop, postfix iteration, ";" or end of input
Juerd Okay, okay
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Juerd ?eval say int / 5; # See ~/.foorc 17:44
evalbot_10296 Error: No such method in class Any: "&foorc"
audreyt Juerd: note that this is bug-for-bug compatible with perl5
p5evalbot: int / 5
p5evalbot audreyt: Sorry, I couldn't find a plugin that matched your command
Juerd audreyt: Yes, it is. But that's not an argument for anything in Perl 6 :)
It's Ponie's mantra :) 17:45
audreyt in perl6, this argument means "let's do away with it please"
Juerd Heh
audreyt TimToady: CALLER_ and OUTER_ are quite different.
TimToady yes.
audreyt TimToady: OUTER_ is fine; CALLER_ introduces parseambigs.
TimToady right 17:46
so lets shoot those suckers...
audreyt we can even go so far as to say that optional-unary always parse as listop
that eliminates this entire class of ambigs 17:47
Juerd What's optional about them, if they don't default to $_?
audreyt and improve predictiveness in parsers, since there need to be no special-case "nullterm" for them
Juerd Isn't an argument without default by definion mandatory? :) 17:48
audreyt Juerd: sub f ($x? = 5) {...}
f / 4
# same ambig
TimToady no, it just defaults to undef
Juerd Rephrase: do these default to anything else than $_?
And does that make any more sense than defaulting to $_?
TimToady question is, does .f / 4 do the right thing... 17:49
audreyt it does
PerlJam except when you're in a method, right?
TimToady not if $_ is an object with an f method.
audreyt er. 17:50
$obj.meth 1 2 3
$obj.meth 1, 2, 3
is illegal, no?
TimToady yes
audreyt so why should
.f 1
be legal?
TimToady not saying it is. Just saying .f calls $_'s method over your sub 17:51
s/calls/picks/
audreyt but so is f($_).
there is really no difference.
if you mean &f($_), write &f($_) :)
TimToady hmm, I do seem to recall saying that...
audreyt interestingly, the only optional unary currently that does not default to $_ is &exit 17:53
exit / 4
(it defaults to 0)
and I don't think people will revolt if exit is made into listop...
I mean, parsed as such 17:54
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TimToady "Here, pick one of these exit values..." :) 17:54
audreyt ?eval exit(1,2,3)
particle_ exit three times, with these different values
evalbot_10296 Error: No such sub: "&exit"
audreyt aw. safe mode
pmichaud would exit retain the same precedence level, in that case?
or does it move down to the other listops? 17:55
audreyt pmichaud: if it's parsed as listop, then maybe it can be moved downward
pmichaud (same with the other unaries)
audreyt er, not same
the other optional-unaries are simply getting nonoptional
pmichaud okay
audreyt which means the "nullterm" treatment can go away :D 17:56
pmichaud how about -e, -f, -x, etc?
audreyt interestingly, .++ is specced to call postfix ++
so .-e can't easily work
I don't have a good answer. that probably means the optional-unary parsecateg stays... 17:58
pmichaud well, for me nullterm probably stays anyway, I use it for infix:,
(and even if p6 doesn't use it, pge does)
audreyt *nod*
right, for trailing/preceding seps it's still useful
-e / 5
-e * * * 17:59
TimToady whaaaaaaaaateeeeeeeeveeeeeeer.......
pmichaud TimToady: any idea how "solid" the :sigspace adverb is going to be? (i.e., should I go ahead and start changing pge to match, or wait a few days for other responses)? 18:00
audreyt infix/prefix/term monster
PerlJam :sigspace? 18:01
TimToady would it be easy to just alias it to :words for now and then drop :words later?
pmichaud pj: latest update to S05 changes :words/:w to :sigspace/:s
PerlJam oh, I went sig -> signature in my head
TimToady and added ms// and ss////
s/\///
pmichaud TimToady: it's not difficult to change, other than I need to update the tests
audreyt TimToady: in A03 you suggested something like 18:02
if .is_dir.is_writable {... }
pmichaud TimToady: but yes, I can just do :w/:words as an alias for now
audreyt to stand for
if -d -w { ... }
I wonder, if that's in place, whether it makes sense to make -x become mandatory unary. 18:03
if they can be made into mandatory unary, then the ambig optional-unary parsing is entirely resolved 18:04
TimToady lemme think about it in the shower. Gotta be a $meeting in <.5 hr.
audreyt ok. and I really should sleep as it's 2am :)
*wave*
TimToady & 18:05
PerlJam how did you guys arrive at :sigspace?
it doesn't seem to fit (the name) with the other adverbs
pmichaud points at TimToady
PerlJam sure blame the language designer :) 18:06
pmichaud the first time I saw :sigspace was reading it in the S05 diff :-) 18:07
svnbot6 r10297 | audreyt++ | * unTODO passing tests with latest PGE.
r10296 | audreyt++ | * Seq: stub implementation
audreyt clearly it's pacing the signals.
audreyt prefers :spaceout
pmichaud besides, I suspect everyone will use :s anyway, or ms// and ss// 18:08
audreyt rule foo { bar } rule multifoo { <foo>+ }
does this match "barbarbar"?
where "this" means /^<multifoo>$/ 18:09
?eval rule foo { bar } rule multifoo { <foo>+ } "barbarbar" ~~ /^<multifoo>$/
pmichaud yes, it appears to match to me
evalbot_10296 Match.new( ok => bool::true, from => 0, to => 9, str => "barbarbar", sub_pos => (), sub_named => { "multifoo" => Match.new( ok => bool::true, from => 0, to => 9, str => "barbarbar", sub_pos => (), sub_named => {"foo" => "3"} ) } )
audreyt how do I get it to match only "bar bar bar"?
pmichaud oh wait 18:10
no, it should not match
audreyt PGE has it matching currently, it appears
pmichaud no, it's probably that "rule" isn't passing the ":w" option to pge
audreyt but in any case, if it shouldn't match, how do I get it to match? :)
ahhh.
pmichaud try rule foo {:w bar }
audreyt ?eval rule foo {:w bar } rule multifoo { <foo>+ } "barbarbar" ~~ /^<multifoo>$/
evalbot_10297 Match.new( ok => bool::false, from => 0, to => 0, str => "", sub_pos => (), sub_named => {} )
audreyt thank-you. 18:11
pmichaud the newer versions of the regex compiler accept adverbs 18:12
audreyt woot
pmichaud thus $P0 = compreg 'PGE::P6Regex'; $P1 = $P0(pattern, 'w'=>1)
compiles pattern assuming :w
audreyt that's good.
pmichaud same with ratchet, ignorecase, etc.
audreyt pugs/src/pge/run_pge.pir needs to be updated to accomodate that then 18:13
pmichaud right, and you can get the rule/regex/token aliases correct :-)
audreyt :)
so, it's determined at <foo> level?
that is, foo is compiled to <?ws>bar<?ws> 18:14
right?
pmichaud yes
audreyt rule foo {bar}
will then match "barbarbar"
pmichaud yes
audreyt whilst
rule foo { bar}
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audreyt rule foo {bar } 18:14
will all only match "bar bar bar"
pmichaud correct
audreyt ?eval 1==1
evalbot_10297 Bool::True
audreyt ?eval 1 ~~ /0/ 18:15
evalbot_10297 Match.new( ok => Bool::False, from => 0, to => 0, str => "", sub_pos => (), sub_named => {} )
audreyt is there a 18:16
$x = regex{...}
form
and if yes, how does it differ from
$x = rx{...}
?
pmichaud as I understand it, 'regex' is basically the same as 'sub'
so, regex{...} and rx{...} are essentially the same here 18:17
audreyt nod. I was wondering if the anon form of regex is abbred as rx
or is _just_ rx
pmichaud so far I've been thinking of them as identical
PerlJam doesn't undrstand why we would have rx and regex
pmichaud (in term position)
audreyt PerlJam: because qr is 2char and "regex" would be 5? 18:18
pmichaud one difference is that 'regex' requires curlies, while rx can use other delims
regex / abc / # illegal
rx / abc / # okay
PerlJam audreyt: yeah, but most of the time people are just going to write /.../ anyway 18:19
pmichaud pj: not if one needs to supply adverbs
pj: $x = rx :s / ... /
PerlJam then are 3 more chars such a hardship? 18:20
audreyt pmichaud: *nod* I was just wondering if dropping the "regex" anon form may work
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audreyt but I think consistency wins here. 18:20
PerlJam or could regex just become rx
pmichaud I don't think rx takes a name
audreyt just in anon (term) position
PerlJam and thus the parallel to sub ends 18:21
audreyt so nvm :)
pmichaud I think rx is more closely aligned with qX
PerlJam (though sub doesn't need alternate delims)
pmichaud: right but qX is quotish and rx is/was trying to move away from that idea (I thought) 18:23
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pmichaud depends on what one means by "qX" is quotish :-) 18:23
(i.e., how do you see qX as different from rx in this context?) 18:25
svnbot6 r10299 | audreyt++ | * Parse for "token" and "regex" forms; full adverb support
r10299 | audreyt++ | to PGE bridge coming soon...
PerlJam Actually, it's just something that Larry or Damian said in one of the AES 18:26
pmichaud ah. I think the idea was that we'd move away from the concept that variables interpolate before interpeting the pattern 18:27
PerlJam yeah, A05 -- Deferred regex rules are now defined with rx// rather than qr//, because a regular expression is no longer a kind of quoted string.
pmichaud right. qr would interpolate and then interpret the pattern, rx interprets the pattern and then matches variables in the pattern
PerlJam would like to see those examples under "Keyword and Context Reform" reworked to include token and regex. 18:29
and I still don't quite get what Allison meant in her summary that "rule ... may only be used inside a grammar" 18:32
Perhaps I'm overthinking it.
Does that mean that rule foo { ... } is illegal in absense of a surrounding grammar declaration? If so, does that make my $x = rule { ... } illegal? And if *that's* true, does that mean that the only way to get an "anonymous rule" is to use rx/regex with the appropriate modifiers? 18:34
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pmichaud perljam: that's how I would interpret allison's statement, yes 18:43
TimToady another difference between regex and rx is that regex can declare a signature. 18:46
pmichaud yes
PerlJam pmichaud: then is grammar Foo; my $ar = rule { ... } ; legals? 18:47
er, s/ls/l/
spinclad ?eval "$ ^ foo" ~~ rx:sigspace { <variable> } # sigil space? 18:48
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evalbot_10299 *** Cannot parse PGE: <variable> *** Error: Name 'variable' not found Match.new( ok => Bool::False, from => 0, to => 0, str => "", sub_pos => (), sub_named => {} ) 18:48
pmichaud pj: I dunno. I'm waiting to see what actually makes it into S05
PerlJam aha!
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Juerd A comparative *table* of regex/rule/rx features would be useful. Is one around? 18:48
PerlJam spinclad seems to be with me. :sigspace is a terrible name
:-)
TimToady anonymous methods and rules probably would have to autogen a role around themselves and be generic somehow.
pmichaud TimToady: I think pj's question has more to do with the notion of "rule" being outside a grammar 18:49
TimToady okay, how about :significantwhitespace instead? :/
dduncan in regards to 6.2.12, what is the *earliest* day it could possibly be released, so I can have an idea what I can fit in before then?
spinclad :signifspace (:snifspace for short)
Juerd TimToady: :X
PerlJam TimToady: sure, if you want to discourage its use :)
spinclad: no way, that's just as bad. 18:50
Juerd TimToady: As uppercase letters in regexes typically indicate opposites :)
pmichaud :spacerule
TimToady we're also trying to coin a term, and sigspace is easy to say.
Juerd TimToady: And /x was the whitespace-insensitive form :)
pmichaud or even :sprule
:sprx, :spacerx
TimToady the whole point is "what is the significance of the space?"
I had :sig for a while. 18:51
pmichaud likes "spacerx". Could be "spacer x" which sounds like "racer x" which means "Go, Speed Racer!"
Juerd A problem with sig is that it's easy to confuse with signature
TimToady that's why it's sigspace now.
PerlJam :words, :panic, etc have a certain definiteness about them that appeals to me. I can't think of anything that fits as well to replace :sigspace
Juerd That reads, to me, as signature space.
TimToady tough
PerlJam Juerd: me too
pmichaud Juerd: then use :s :-)
TimToady we're coining
PerlJam :space (do we have to mention that it's significant?) 18:52
pmichaud pj: looks too much like <space>
PerlJam :aether then
Juerd If you want to apply your own rules inconsistently,...
PerlJam :)
Juerd :spacey
Then you'd have spacey and non-spacey :) 18:53
TimToady yes, the significance of it is what is significant.
PerlJam Well, I liked :skip (but I'm biased by P::RD)
TimToady skip says that it *isn't* significant to me... 18:54
pmichaud the point of the adverb is that this says what to do with the metasyntactic whitespace in the regex
and ":skip" doesn't seem to mean that
PerlJam :metaspace
TimToady but culturally, the most important thing here is not :mumble, but ss///
Juerd was serious about spacey, by the way. If you want to coin, coin well :) 18:55
PerlJam which will, of course, be mistyped as "meatspace
er, :meatspace
Juerd TimToady: Double-s combinations are probably better avoided, because some people here are very sensitive about it, and would feel offended. 18:56
TimToady we'll know the culture has taken hold when people start correcting things in IRC using ss/// instead of s///
that's so last millenium...
spinclad :meatspace : these spaces have muscle. you can't just skip over them.
Juerd SS here has a very strong mental association with Schutzstaffel.
TimToady yes, well here it means "Sunday School".
pmichaud thinks "SS Minnow" 18:57
Juerd I hope Sunday schools aren't as deadly.
TimToady If we're going to start avoiding taboo words, we've got a lot of other languages to worry about.
PerlJam thought none of those things ... just "ss" 18:58
Juerd This isn't lingual.
People here don't speak German. That's quite irrelevant when it comes to the WW II.
PerlJam :snake (python strikes again!)
Juerd Most people don't even know what SS stands for, exactly.
ingy Hi TimToady 18:59
TimToady howdy ingy
PerlJam Juerd: Secret Service of course
Juerd I personally have no problem with ss. I know that many people will, though.
TimToady I never, ever take second-hand offense into account. "Someone might be offended". Gah. 19:00
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Juerd To illustrate: I have once almost lost a freelance job because one of my functions was called "ss", and described as "eliminate whitespace". I had to rename it to trim(), and spent hours defending myself.
PerlJam How about :interstice ? (no one will know what it means ;)
pmichaud :intertokenspace
:interspace, the final frontier
(unfortunately, :i is already taken) 19:01
Juerd I can imagine that this is hard to imagine if you're not remembering the victims of this specific war once a year.
But I beg you to be careful.
PerlJam pmichaud: is it law that the abbreviated form must use the first char of the long form?
Juerd I'm not requesting change, but I do want you to be aware of this possible problem.
pmichaud pj: I'm not the law, I'm the maintenance crew 19:02
:-)
PerlJam Juerd: you think perl6 will be boycotted because of such misunderstanding?
Juerd PerlJam: Not by most. But by some older, more sensitive people, it probably will. 19:03
PerlJam Juerd: excellent! perl6 is the 50 or 100 year language, so those older people will be dead for the majority of its lifetime.
Juerd Another illustration: contact/dating site CU2, www.cu2.nl, is often plagued by neo-nazis who sneak "SS" into words (like "rechtSS" or "maSSel") as a sign of recognition.
It runs a script (I won't name its internal name, but it's funny) to find these, and correct them. 19:04
TimToady good reason to steal the meme, as far as I'm concerned. avoiding it merely propagates the specialness.
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cognominal ho ss is not securte sociale? :) 19:05
Juerd TimToady: I can certainly understand that, and think it may be a wise idea.
I'm just afraid that some others won't.
PerlJam :stitches almost works :)
spinclad Juerd: this suggests that 'SS' carries heavier baggage than 'ss'
TimToady I think the emphasis was Juerd's 19:06
Juerd spinclad: It's capitalized in those words because otherwise they would be rather normal words.
TimToady: It wasn't.
spinclad so they capitalize them and so spot each other..
Juerd Though indeed, since this script, they've been using rechtss and massel without further caps. Doesn't work as well, though. 19:07
TimToady so we'll just make the SS// illegal. :)
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Juerd spinclad: Yes. There are many more signs and symbols, though. I've worked with CU2 for quite a while, so I know them. 19:07
spinclad: There's 14/88, for example, or just 88 by itself. People who have 88 in their nickname, but weren't born in 1988, get their accounts disabled as a precaution. 19:08
spinclad of course... like '42' and '93' among the 0.:.T.:.O.:.
Juerd spinclad: And there are many symbols that can be used in images - the swastika is popular, but there are much more subtle ones.
Odin-LAP Hail victory. :p 19:09
Juerd 88 stands for HH, which stands for Heil Hitler...
PerlJam Juerd: I am *so* glad I don't have to deal with such paranoia (among other things)
Juerd 14 stands for some racist phrase.
PerlJam: I wish it were paranoia.
Odin-LAP No, instead you get paranoia about other things.
"U.S.? Doing bad things? IMPOSSIBLE!"
Juerd ("14" because the phrase has 14 words.)
Odin-LAP :p
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Odin-LAP Juerd: Wow. I knew neonazis were silly ... but that silly? 19:10
Juerd For those interestedd about "hate symbols", there's this site: www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default.asp
PerlJam Odin-LAP: I'm accustomed to the idea that the US government isn't the most trustworthy entity
pmichaud wonders about the hidden meanings of 'i18n' :-)
Juerd Oh, this site reminds me of another much used one: wpww, or just wp (White Power World Wide) 19:11
Odin-LAP PerlJam: Oh, I wasn't implying you were one of those people. ;)
Juerd Or s/Power/Pride/, as this site says
Odin-LAP PerlJam: It just seems to be a fairly influential mentality, much like the nazihatred is in europe...
spinclad paranoia (real paranoia, shared) in the heightened significance and conspiratorial thinking these people share and foster 19:12
PerlJam Odin-LAP: the world is full of stupid people. :)
Juerd spinclad: s/in/is/?
spinclad no, s/ in/, in/... trying to say how the term could apply 19:13
Juerd Oh
Odin-LAP PerlJam: Yes and no. The world is full of people who don't really want to think about things that are uncomfortable.
Juerd Gotta go 19:14
Bye
Oh, not before I spam this again: tnx.nl/php.jpg
afk
spinclad the world is full of the hunger and thirst after certainty 19:15
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spinclad such a great misleader 19:15
yeah, that was priceless 19:16
Odin-LAP The 'V for Vendetta' broadcast monologue is really good in that respect. "You need only look in a mirror." (Even better in the comic, actually. :) 19:17
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spinclad BTW, the s(m:w)(ms) change in S05 has broken a number of ASCII-art alignments (not that they matter for any canonical meaning, of course, but for the commentary) 19:42
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TimToady spinclad: ms can still be written m:s, so the alignment is the same. Admittedly the symmetries change. 20:39
particle_ :significantother 20:47
TimToady so/// :)
particle_ idly wonders if ~~ with match with regexes, rules, or tokens
TimToady ~~ will match anything it can figure out how to match. 20:54
particle_ *insert david blane stunt here* 20:55
TimToady In fact, I was just thinking that $x ~~ $boolean should probably evaluate $x in a boolean context and then compare. 20:56
particle_ i just had that same thought
TimToady I had it earlier today in the shower... 20:57
but didn't have a toothbrush handy.
(nor a laptop)
particle_ now there's a product for thinkgeek.
"do your best thinking in the shower, but don't have a laptop with wifi to tell the world?..." 20:58
TimToady "so buy this toothbrush for $22"
pmichaud a wifi toothbrush? 20:59
FurnaceBoy """_________
pmichaud that ought to be an operator
TimToady m:w_________
particle_ that's mouthwash
pmichaud postfix:<"""_______>
TimToady WWW______
pmichaud takes the place of Acme::Bleach 21:00
TimToady ________""" prefix for lefthanders
particle_ i always wanted left-handed c++ comments
comment here \\ i++;
TimToady add one to i \\ I++ 21:01
*i even
{ here's a left-handed Perl comment }# $i++;
particle_ perhaps there should be a ()# operator for r-to-l languages
yep 21:02
TimToady It's disturbing how disturbed we both are...
particle_ :ecapsgis
TimToady surely ecapsgis:
particle_ of course! 21:03
TimToady !esruoc fo
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TimToady The main problem is that people will think $x! means $x not. 21:03
FurnaceBoy averts his eyes
pmichaud wouldn't that be x$! ? 21:04
TimToady yes, but people get confused easily.
particle_ perl6 is an expressive language. we should have smiley adverbs
TimToady that's just a SMOMP 21:05
pmichaud particle: we can do it in regex already: to match two hyphens: / (-: :-)
/
TimToady that also matces 14:05 < pmichaud> on my machine... 21:06
*matches
particle_ ah, masochistic programming
of course, they should be classified as whitespace so you don't have to say :skip(<smileys>) 21:09
TimToady :P
which is already legal
particle_ :-O 21:10
TimToady ᛊ:᚜ 21:12
I suppose $x ~~ :!2 would match if $x isn't base two... 21:13
particle_ can any integer radix be specified in adverbial form? 21:14
pmichaud particle_: yes
particle_ or should i say any positive integer
:0
pmichaud :13<012abc>
TimToady hmm :16<$x> := 255; say $x; # ff 21:15
particle_ pm: that's my lucky radix!
TimToady I guess that'd have to be :16($x) := 255;
particle_ could it be my $Int :16($x) := 255; ?? 21:16
TimToady my sub sayhex (:16($n)) { say $n }
particle_ oops, too many $s
can a sub body introspectively see the adverbs passed it? 21:17
TimToady no, cause an Int can't hold alphas
eh, they're just name params
*named
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particle_ 's not an alpha, it's radix 16 21:17
TimToady the point is, it would do inside out radix conversion
when used as lvalue 21:18
or binding
particle_ righty-ho. that's cool.
obra seen nothingmuch
particle_ hrmm, so there's no Hex, Oct, Bin, or Dec base classes 21:19
just noticing
TimToady Nope, those are just strings
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TimToady one could put a constraint on a string type, of course 21:20
particle_ :0x10<ff> # legal?
TimToady subset Oct of Str where /^[0-7]+$/;
particle_: not legal 21:21
pmichaud particle: no, not legal, sorry :-)
particle_ good.
pmichaud the adverb is always taken as decimal
TimToady though, oddly, :0x is probably a legal adverb on a s//// 21:22
meaning do it 0 times.
which is just as well considering the extra slash... 21:23
particle_ and a radix must be a literal, not something that evaluates to a positive integer
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particle_ token radix { : <[0..9]+ } # ...in other words 21:24
pmichaud probably token radix { \: \d+ } 21:25
particle_ hrmm... are underscores accepted? 21:26
pmichaud hopefully not in the adverb radix itself
particle_ that's what i'm wondering
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TimToady It seems unnecessary. 21:26
particle_ great. then pm's got it right 21:27
TimToady unless it's token radix { \: <[1-9]> \d* } 21:28
particle_ yep, gotta rule out :0
TimToady well, unless it's a semantic constraint, in which case :016<ff> is okay 21:29
particle_ oh, what about >36?
pmichaud :100[64,27]
TimToady or :100<64 27>
particle_ ah, see that.
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TimToady I was actually pretty serious about the reverse radix processing, since we don't seem to have anything but sprintf so far. 21:30
particle_ i like it.
pmichaud I was afraid of that :-)
TimToady and that doesn't support non b o d x
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particle_ parse error 21:30
TimToady yeah, I can see why, pmichaud. 21:31
after all, next thing is
doubtm hi, what is the advantage of using a perl script over a simple bash script to create a zip/tar file?
TimToady :16( .* ) /
s/^/\//
hmm. $x.as(:13) 21:32
pmichaud I'm not sure about parsing that :13 21:33
TimToady just means :13(*) :)
pmichaud now, $x.as(13) works for me :-)
TimToady either that, or it defaults to $_ :) 21:34
Except that a value used as a subset would have to convert the number to 13.
rather than base 13.
pmichaud I need to check up on "as" :-)
TimToady and would likely fail for values of 13 that aren't 13. 21:35
.as(Type)
doubless .as() should convert to the base type, and then see if the constraint holds if it's a subset. 21:36
and presumably become undef or pitch a fit if not.
$x.as(Odd)
If :13 is a type, then we get subset Base13 of Str where :13 21:37
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TimToady except then :13($x) is really inside out in the same way that hex() was. 21:38
particle_ integer adverbs doesn't smell right to me 21:39
TimToady they aren't really adverbs--we just hijacked the syntax. 21:40
particle_ with a quoted literal next to it, it looks like a radix. without it...
TimToady so smiley adverbs don't have to be real adverbs either.
particle_ sold! :)
smiley adverbs have a different idea of negation. 21:41
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r10301 | gaal++ | this doesn't buy us much except future-compatibility (or,
r10301 | gaal++ | well, resilience); the new structure has a version field.
r10301 | gaal++ | Please 'rm blib6/lib/Prelude.pm.yml' once after updating.
particle_ :) and :-) mean the same thing, and :( is the opposite of :)
gaal you realize of course that if :-) makes it into the language }:) must as well. 21:44
TimToady my eyebrows ache
particle_ 0:-) 21:45
gaal those are antlers
particle_ wonders which version of unicode will include the full smiley library 21:47
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gaal are there enough code points? 21:48
gaal saw a work by Bill Viola last week that had hella many human expressions in it
TimToady $x.as("%:13s") maybe? 21:49
$x.:13 maybe? Hmm... 21:50
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pmichaud as("%:13s") works for me. Or even just as("%:13"), unless %: means something else already 21:53
or even as('%13:')
oh wait, nm
that's bad
back to as('%:13') 21:54
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particle_ is r used in sprintf? could be used for radix... 21:56
looks like it's not.
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gaal gotta go, night& 21:59
particle_ printf '<%:13d>', 13; # prints "<10>" 22:04
like that?
pmichaud why the 'd'?
particle_ good question 22:05
pmichaud printf '<%:13d>', 12; # prints "<c>"
particle_ i suppose you'd like to specify whether it's printing in the <64 43 23> mode
or in the <zfb> mode
pmichaud or we limit ourselves to radix <= 36
or we assume that radix > 36 means print as a list 22:06
particle_ then, suppose you want to print your list with or without leading zeroes 22:07
34 1 20 vs 34 01 20
pmichaud that'd be <%02:13d>
or whatever
i.e., the leading zero and width flags still go before the ':'
particle_ printf uses # for some formatting like that
so, maybe %#:13 22:08
pmichaud what does the # means there?
ah, I see
(man 3 printf works :-)
particle_ # prefixes non-zero octtal with "0", non-zero hex with "0x"
leo the whole :radix thingy should just die (my 2c) - a number conversion method is enough
and ':' seems already to be overloaded like hell 22:10
particle_ hrmm, does parrot have generalized base conversion yet? i don't think so. 22:12
pmichaud no, it doesn't
leo sure it has
int_to_str(Interp *interpreter, char *tc, HUGEINTVAL num, char base) 22:16
pmichaud what about going the other way? that's the one I've needed
(and is it exposed at the PIR level?)
leo the usual escapes, but for sure not :13 ;-) 22:17
(who really needs that)
particle_ huffman coders 22:19
pmichaud time to go pick up the kids
later, all
leo re PIR level - invent some general sprintf syntax or whatever
pmichaud oh, that works. I vote for "%:13d". :-PPPP 22:20
particle_ :)
pmichaud punts
leo that's fine
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spinclad ::8<020><deadbeef> # hex 22:50
TimToady no. 22:51
spinclad so what is :16<10> ? is that a single digit with value 10 (0xa) or 0x10? or do the decimal-string digits only take effect at :37 ?
TimToady: i was meaning the art in S05 itself, where the actual choice matters more than the potential...
(and finally...) S03 r9202: 'but do for allow an additional dot before the "hyper"': ss((for) (allow))($1 $0)
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ludan hi 22:52
TimToady howdy 22:53
spinclad re deadbeef: didn't think so, really
(scuse the spam) 22:54
hi, ludan
TimToady ah, understand "the art" now
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TimToady :16<10> would always be taken as 0x10 22:55
:37 seems too high 22:56
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TimToady I'd be inclined to say that only the multi-arg form :16<10 10> would take 10 as decimal. 22:56
probably clearer to write :16[10,10] in that case though. 22:57
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spinclad true 22:57
TimToady and degenerates to :16[10] as a decimal 10
and isn't really any longer, so maybe :16<10 10> is just a bad idea. 22:58
Actually, from me, that Bad Idea™ 22:59
spinclad yeah, i'd rather avoid ambiguity where possible. nice to wing the blue sky, nice to stay grounded too. 23:00
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TimToady arguably :16<10 10> could usefully mean (:16<10>, :16<10>) 23:03
spinclad i'd be inclined to insist on :16<dead_beef> * 16**8, as well, and keep a bare number inside the < >s
TimToady :16($x) 23:04
trying to avoid eval(=$*IN) here... 23:05
spinclad .oO{ :to16, :from16 would be clearer but too huffman heavy }
TimToady yeah, usually when you want a base representation, you want a lot of them. 23:06
leo Perl6 without :\d+ is like a fish w/o a bycycle
webmind leo, it won't be missed but would look really cool ? 23:07
TimToady I saw a frog on a bicycle once... 23:08
spinclad ah! ding! now i see -- :<base> is a multi-adverb -- signatures String --> Int (and Array of String --> Int) and Int --> String
spinclad begins to hate it less 23:09
TimToady according to Darwin, we're fish that have learned to ride bicycles... 23:10
Perl6 is just trying to hurry evolution along a little...
spinclad because they just happened to be lying around, left by some designer...
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TimToady I'm not against Intelligent Design in the abstract, but I happen to think that the intelligent way to design a biological system happens to coincide mostly with Darwin's ideas. 23:11
if Someone wanted to hurry it up with a snap of the fingers, I've got no problem with that. 23:12
but I don't think He did.
spinclad agree -- it's the principle of Least Effort on the part of the Universe
just Let Things Happen 23:13
FurnaceBoy Occam's Razor?
TimToady save the intelligent design for the important bits, like salvation. :)
spinclad i think Occam's Razor is Least Effort in theorizing; i was thinking of the world's physics, not that of our minds 23:14
szbalint I find it interesting that some people believing in ID exclude the possibility that evolution could have been/is the Intelligent Designer's tool... 23:15
TimToady most people who "believe" in ID are just cheerleading, but most people who believe in most anything are just cheerleading.
spinclad so for :<base>[n, n, n], does :<base>(@array) work too? is its signature Array of Int --> Int ? 23:16
TimToady mostly people actually define their religion by whatever seems convenient at the time.
FurnaceBoy amen...
TimToady I don't think so. :<base>[@array] works fine for that. 23:17
szbalint not only their religion.
TimToady and I'd rather reserve :base(@array) for lists of numbers, I think. 23:18
we don't really have a way to "hyper" the args of a function other than using lists. 23:19
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spinclad hmm. so how do i discriminate the multi? i seem to see signatures of (Array of Int --> Int) and (Array of String --> Array of Int), at a stage where the parser could take \d+ as either a String for the base or a decimal Int... 23:25
is :<base>[1, 2, 3] always a list of digits, and :<base>[@array] also, and ... what is :<base>(@array) ? 23:28
s/ is / is [1, 2, 3] in / 23:30
.oO{ :16.«@array } 23:32
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spinclad (Array of Int --> Int) and (Array of Int --> Array of String) ? 23:33
anyway, time to make dinner... *wave* 23:38
and thanks 23:39
nothingmuch does anybody have Javascript::Spidermonkey working on OSX? 23:46
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