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devbot6 dev: Ticket #3 (task updated): Capture fglock/putter interview info to kp6 faq. <dev.pugscode.org/ticket/3#comment:1> 03:36
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audreyt oh wow, our first trac spam 03:46
devbot6 dev: Ticket #21 (task closed): alarm-based timeout support for "make smoke" <dev.pugscode.org/ticket/21#comment:1> 03:50
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TimToady make smoke still leaves a looping process. strace alternates between lines of: 05:45
sigreturn() = ? (mask now [])
--- SIGALRM (Alarm clock) @ 0 (0) ---
dec SIGSMOKE 05:47
allbery_b whee 05:50
dec Or are smoke signals not cool any more? 05:58
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gaal TimToady: are you running r15548 or newer? 06:20
should have been fixed there
allbery_b ?eval 1
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evalbot_r15447 1 06:20
allbery_b hrrrrrm 06:21
gaal not sure evalbot gets its number updated if there had only been non-haskell changes to the tree. 06:24
rat on the keyboard could be a better condition than tar on the keyboard. more easily removed with cheese, for example. 06:27
did I say r15548? sorry, meant r15446 (svk local number...) 06:28
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TimToady this is with 15447 06:29
gaal do you still have the terminal open? did the last several tasks all take 30 seconds? 06:31
TimToady can't really tell anything from what's left in the scrollbar 06:37
lots and lots of: Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Test/TAP/Model/File.pm line 89.
allbery_b sounds like the Test::TAP::Model bug which I think got fixed (at least mine no longer throws it) 06:38
...as of last night at least
gaal still trying to reproduce here; TimToady, is your Test::TAP::Model the latest one? 06:43
TimToady how should I know? 06:44
is this an external dependency?
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allbery_b yes, it's a perl5 dependency separate from pugs 06:45
gaal perl -MTest::TAP::Model -le 'print Test::TAP::Model->VERSION' 06:48
0.08 is the latest. 06:49
TimToady 0.06
gaal I'm not sure if the problem fixed in 0.7 is the one you're reported.. 06:50
allbery_b: that was actually a Test::Harness API incompatibility
TimToady well, updated to 0.08 in any event
bbl & 06:54
(thanks)
&
gaal oh, I reproduced the problem here. hmm. 07:15
close SOME_FH isn't enough apparently... 07:16
is there any way to get at the pid of a child started with open-|, without touching the open?
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TimToady the return value of the open should be the pid 07:21
though if a shell got involved, the actual child you're interested in might be a grandkid 07:22
gaal the problem is that the open is in a library we don't really control...
...but I'm looking to see if changing it anyway is any help 07:23
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idiocrash hey guys - I'm new to this channel and just wanted to see if anyone yet had an idea of when it could be likely to see a Perl 6 release. Alpha, beta, whatever. 07:24
gaal I'm kinda hoping--but this is maybe futile--that leaving a block with a lexical filehandle on an open-| will kill the child?
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gaal er sorry: i meant leaving it because of a SIGALRM 07:25
idiocrash: you can try out developement versions of pugs right away!
offby1 idiocrash: "when it's ready", I bet
gaal ?eval 40 + 2
evalbot_r15447 42 07:26
gaal see also run.pugscode.org/
lambdabot Title: Run Perl 6 Now -- in your browser!
idiocrash Yeah, everyone says it's done when it's done, but I just want a little smidgen of a timeframe. Randall seemed optimistic of a 12/06 alpha or beta release. But, well, we know how that went by now. 07:27
offby1 *shrug*
idiocrash Only because I'm excited though!
gaal idiocrash: want a commit bit? 07:28
idiocrash nah. 07:29
I'm not a C hacker
gaal use your excitement to make it come sooner
there's almost no C code in pugs
idiocrash Oh? Haskell?
gaal you can help with Haskell, sure, or with writing test (in Perl 6)
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offby1 I'm toying with helping with parrot ... gotta learn git, tho' 07:30
gaal youch! hacking Straps.pm to use a lexical filehandle there just makes it hang again! I wonder if this is a Perl 5 bug...
idiocrash: so for example you can look at svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/t which helps us generate things like smoke.pugscode.org/ 07:31
lambdabot Title: Revision 15447: /t
gaal er, oops, did I say openfoundry? I meant svn.pugscode.org/pugs/t/ 07:32
lambdabot Title: Revision 15447: /t
gaal (though the first url is a mirror, it's slow.)
idiocrash mkay. 07:33
gaal so, what's your email address? :) you can /msg me.
(though not unless you're registered in freenode) 07:34
idiocrash I'm not
gaal idiocrash: /msg nickserv register SOMEPASSWORD 07:37
idiocrash: /msg nickserv identify SOMEPASSWORD 07:38
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svnbot6 r15448 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Eval, Pugs.hs: In the interactive shell, statements are 07:45
r15448 | audreyt++ | now executed in item context instead of void context, to catch
r15448 | audreyt++ | some of the surprising return values.
r15449 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Prim: The outermost context is Item, not Void. 07:46
gaal okay, I don't understand the hangs caused by alarm, so I'm inclined to revert those patches 07:47
svnbot6 r15450 | audreyt++ | Pugs.Prim.Keyed: Avoid import warnings.
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audreyt k, and unresolve the ticket 07:48
gaal I suspect a real solution will involve a Straps patch too, but I'm too fuzzy to work on that right now :(
svnbot6 r15451 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.AST: The ./ notation is (for now) invoking OldVal and
r15451 | audreyt++ | returning OldVal; we'll switch en masse to NewVal eventually.
r15451 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Class: Add instance for (obj ./ "string"); also add default
r15451 | audreyt++ | ITEM/LIST methods to boxed pure classes.
audreyt that's fine :) 07:50
svnbot6 r15452 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Meta.Perl5: Add HOW/WHAT/WHICH/ITEM/LIST stub declarations 07:51
r15452 | audreyt++ | to boxed Perl 5 objects.
r15453 | gaal++ | * revert r15429 and r15446 as they seem to have more harm than good. 07:52
r15454 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Eval.Var: Since the oldland (./) takes care of vvToVal,
r15454 | audreyt++ | we simple invoke the VV dispatch with ./ now.
devbot6 dev: Ticket #21 (task reopened): alarm-based timeout support for "make smoke" <dev.pugscode.org/ticket/21#comment:2> 07:55
svnbot6 r15455 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Eval: add .ITEM and .LIST for magic rvalue contexification 07:57
gaal what does 'iv' stand for in ivDispatch? 08:00
svnbot6 r15456 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Monads: Support for rvalue contextification for newVals.
gaal how does "val ./ cxt" work? (where's the code eventually dispatched when invoking ./ with a context?) 08:03
audreyt bbiab 08:05
iv = invocant
see instance in .AST
./ "ITEM" or "LIST"
gaal Is MO/ meant to be a pseudo-independent project? I want to change the accessors to pugsstyle 08:08
sm_moose instead of smMoose etc. 08:09
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gaal what does MI stand for in MI m, defined in MO.Compile.Class? 08:24
how is it distinct from MethodInvocation defined in MO.Run? 08:25
(mi_name would clash and I want to know how to rename one of them) 08:27
brb
rehi. I still don't understand what MI stands for :) 08:43
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Patterner Not MethodInvocation? 08:53
gaal then "how is it distinct from MethodInvocation defined in MO.Run?" 08:54
Patterner you're the expert 08:58
gaal cmarcelo is I think 09:00
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audreyt gaal: MI? it's very bad name 09:37
MI stands for MultipleInheritance
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audreyt so just call it PugsClass or something 09:38
gaal there's an alias PugsClass = MI Eval 09:40
also, it's defined in MO, so "Pugs" is sorta verbotten there isn't it?
MOClass perhaps? 09:41
fixing.
audreyt MO is conceptuall independent 09:48
though it does use Pugs.Val.Capt
so it's of questionable independence 09:49
gaal okay, comitting in a bit
audreyt dunno. I'm fine about eventually move MO into Pugs-space
but there seems to be little reason to rush that
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gaal and yet, if we're the only users, it's nice if it uses our conventions.. 09:50
audreyt aye, so feel free to conventionalize it 09:51
svnbot6 r15457 | gaal++ | * MO and users: use Pugs::Doc::Hack::Style naming conventions 09:53
audreyt @pl \cls methods self -> fix . moose cls methods self 10:06
lambdabot (((fix .) .) .) . moose
audreyt I see, so _that_ is the answer
(if we're to refactor mkBoxPureClass to contain the "fix" itself)
gaal I was wondering how to do that! 10:07
I've seen few moose as hairy
audreyt @pl \cls methods -> fix . moose cls methods
lambdabot ((fix .) .) . moose
audreyt feel free to moose it into place if you feel like 10:08
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audreyt I'll commit first 10:08
gaal sure. probably rename mkBoxPureClass to mkPureClass too while I'm at it
rindolf Hi all.
Hi audreyt
Hi gaal
gaal hello rindolf
audreyt yup
rindolf gaal: what's up?
gaal: I didn't had a chance to make smoke the pugs build after your changes. Sorry. 10:09
gaal me, despite bronchitis. antibiotics++
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gaal rindolf: i've reverted them, as they didn't work. if you want to look into this, it'd be grand! 10:10
moritz so what does "make smoke" do? loop? 10:11
rindolf gaal: I can try. I'm at work now. I'm not sure I have ghc here.\
Oh, I do. And version 6.6 too.
gaal moritz: what does it do now? loop when we have a looping test, but work correctly when we don't. :)
as opposed to work incorrectly if a test takes more than 30 seconds to complete. 10:12
moritz gaal: I don't know, I'm just building a deb package
gaal hold on, are you saying that make smoke doesn't work for you? 10:13
moritz without smoking, so ;)
no, I'm just asking...
because there were two regex tests that looped previously 10:14
and I don't know if these tests where commented out, or what their current status is
gaal I made one skipped; don't know about the other.
do you remember what it was?
moritz no 10:15
audreyt one is capture and one is exhaust 10:17
svnbot6 r15458 | audreyt++ | * Make "Boxable" specific to the Eval monad, since Pugs.Class 10:19
r15458 | audreyt++ | is within Pugs-space and not MO-space anyway.
r15458 | audreyt++ | Eventually the class name will be renamed back to "Value".
audreyt gaal: feel free to fixfix now
gaal sure
audreyt newval is almost there :D 10:20
gaal yay :)
audreyt after VObject is gone
we'll deal with VRef
everything else should be Just Very Trivial
oh I guess I can just slash VOpaque
hm 10:21
I'm tempted to say
instance (Typeable a, Show a) => Boxable a
but that will be so wrong
instance (Typeable a, Show a) => Boxable (Maybe a) -- but this seems reasonable 10:22
and use Nothing as the prototype
then I don't have to write crazy number of stub instances
and all haskell types are automagically perl6 types
gaal ! 10:23
audreyt goes to do that
the "constructor" is just "Just"
and the "destructor" is just "fromJust"
let obj = mkVal (Just aboutAnything)
;)
gaal ! 10:24
audreyt again feels a powerful ray of pure oleg 10:26
gaal I wanna see her meet the monadic oleg 10:27
clkao audreyt: hola 10:28
audreyt yo 10:31
gaal hm actually I don't see (the fix thing).
we do need to give "self" some name 10:32
audreyt gaal: consider you currently have
foo self x = x + self 10:33
bar = fix $ foo xx
then you can refactor it into
bar = moose xx
moose = fix . foo
no?
or, to go pointful:
moose xx = fix (foo xx) 10:34
mkPureClass cls methods = fix (mkBoxPureClass cls methods)
should be sufficient?
(I'm not exactly sure, myself, but it seems reasonable) 10:35
gaal let me muster my antlers
audreyt anything that has anything to do with fix seems fixish
rindolf gaal: OK, built Pugs. Now I'll try to run make smoke. 10:36
audreyt rindolf: please svn up to r15459 10:38
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svnbot6 r15459 | audreyt++ | * exhaustive.t - skip looping test. 10:38
rindolf audreyt: OK. Hmmppf.
gaal all right, I think I got it :)
audreyt moose :) 10:39
@pl fix (\self -> err self) 10:40
lambdabot fix err
gaal ok, comitting... 10:43
for some reason mkBoxClass and mkPureClass want slightly different sigs now, moosin' it up 10:45
sec :)
audreyt meanwhile I fixed my fix in keyed :) 10:47
gaal ~/~ Happiness is a warm gun ~/~
svnbot6 r15460 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Prim.Keyed: Finally got the fixpoint trick right this time.
audreyt PIL^N -> Moose -> MO.pm -> MO.hs -> Pugs.Class 10:48
the road to 6.28.0 is full of quantum tunnels :) 10:49
gaal quantlers. 10:51
audreyt quantumoose
gaal caribous 10:52
moritz quantum mechanics is like functional programming: you can't really understand it, but after a while you learn how to cope with it ;)
Patterner infinite sisters have been bitten by a quantumoose 10:53
gaal in constant time 10:54
svnbot6 r15461 | gaal++ | * affix "fix" to mkPureClass (heretofore called "mkBoxPureClass") 10:58
r15461 | gaal++ | freeing callers from worrying about wild Y combinators.
audreyt gaal++ 10:59
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gaal audreyt++ :) 11:01
fix++
unwords . map (join (liftM2 if' isMoose (++ "++"))) words 11:09
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svnbot6 r15462 | audreyt++ | * More Boxable reshuffling - migrate Pugs.Val.Base into Pugs.Class 11:16
r15462 | audreyt++ | and start to work through an easier method/instance definition.
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rindolf gaal: can I run make test instead of make smoke? 11:35
Or make check 11:36
gaal make test should work. but why do you need it? 11:40
what's make check? is it a standard target in perl? 11:41
rindolf gaal: no, it isn't. 11:43
gaal: well, because make smoke requires a bunch of modules that I don't have.
And they have their own dependencies.
I have them at home, but not here at work.
gaal oh, then sure, make test should work as usual. 11:44
bbiab& 11:51
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rindolf gaal: sial.org/pbot/23285
lambdabot Title: Paste #23285 from "rindolf" at 192.114.83.18
rindolf Well, at least it didn't get stuck this time. :-) 12:41
svnbot6 r15463 | audreyt++ | * MO: Remove (for now) the Codeable abstraction.
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rindolf audreyt: ping. 13:07
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gaal rehi 13:15
svnbot6 r15464 | audreyt++ | * It turned out that Typeable instances can be written manually
r15464 | audreyt++ | (and rather trivially), so we proceed to do that instead of
r15464 | audreyt++ | using kluges like *_Type or typeOf ().
gaal oh? interesting
rindolf gaal: who are you talking to? 13:17
gaal to r15464
cmarcelo moose! 13:18
gaal cmarcelo: moose indeed!
cmarcelo gaal: both SI and MI names were initially related to something named Class (or similar), so the context would make easier to understand. but then we drop SI because MI was a superset. (but I admit I usually give crappy names to things :o) ) 13:20
gaal cmarcelo: are you ok with MOClass as a replacement? 13:21
(it fits pugsstyle better too...) 13:22
cmarcelo np
gaal okay :)
hmm, I wonder if there's a nicer way to write this (that isn't totally crazy): 13:23
instance (Typeable1 m, Monad m) => Eq (MOClass m) where
x == y = moc_name x == moc_name y
distributive composition or something 13:24
cmarcelo distributive composition meaning? somehow telling hs to delegate (==) to (moc_name x) equality in a declarative way? 13:25
gaal yeah. just a random wonder :)
I mean in Perl you'd do something akin to (==) $ map moc_name 13:26
but you can do that there because @_ is so flexible (read, weakly typed)
if xerox were around I'd bet he'd find some crazy way to do it with (->) :-) 13:28
cmarcelo well, some "delegate" function typed: (a -> b) -> (b -> b -> c) -> a -> a -> c, could do the trick.. so MOClass' (==) = delegate moc_name (==).. 13:32
gaal @hoogle (a -> b) -> (b -> b -> c) -> a -> a -> c 13:33
lambdabot No matches, try a more general search
gaal @pl \tr bi x y -> tr x `bi` tr y 13:34
lambdabot flip =<< ((flip . ((.) .)) .) . flip (.)
gaal simple! :-P
cmarcelo . o O ( hoogle could be smarter sometimes and look for variants like (bbc) -> (ab) -> a -> a -> c instead.. or maybe it does )
hehe 13:35
gaal it does, yes
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gaal @type ((flip . ((.) .)) .) . flip (.) 13:36
lambdabot forall b c a b1 a1. (a1 -> b1) -> (b1 -> b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a1 -> a -> c
gaal what monad is that bind in?
cmarcelo (identity?) 13:37
gaal hm then why use a monad at all?
I'm guessing list or something to do with ->
after all, 13:38
cmarcelo (=<<) w/ Identity probably is a shorthand to something "bigger and pointed"..
gaal @type flip
lambdabot forall a b c. (a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c
gaal say, where do I read up to understand ghc's strategy for naming type parameters? like, why a1 and not e? 13:39
cmarcelo maybe there are someplace in the GHC Commentary. You should look there... but heard people saying that there's a klingon comment passage explaining everything, somewhere in GHC source. :o) 13:41
gaal :)
cmarcelo ( www.scannedinavian.com/hope/entry/61 )
gaal hehehe 13:42
cmarcelo aren't the bots suppose to make a tinyurl and tell me the page title?
gaal they are. maybe shapr has a robots.txt?
hmm. I'm wanting a version of @src that works on methods. (maybe there is one?) 13:43
@help src
lambdabot src <id>. Display the implementation of a standard function
moritz and I guess the URL ist too short to automagically generate a tinyurl 13:44
gaal anyway, instance Monad Identity where ... m >>= k = k (runIdentity m) 13:45
which is basically a noop
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svnbot6 r15465 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Class: Refactor out methodsOf and classNameOf as the 13:48
r15465 | audreyt++ | two methods one would (normally) define.
cmarcelo @type flip =<< ((flip . ((.) .)) .) . flip (.) 13:50
lambdabot forall b c a. (a -> b) -> (b -> b -> c) -> a -> a -> c
audreyt @djinn (a -> b) -> (b -> b -> c) -> a -> a -> c 13:51
lambdabot f a b c _ = b (a c) (a c)
cmarcelo hmm, almost there, we wanted "b (a c) (a d)" (not that djinn cares). 13:53
gaal so what monad _is_ that bind in?
audreyt the ((->)a) monad
I think
aka, reader monad
gaal yeah, i thought -> must have had something to do with it
because of the arity voodoo 13:54
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gaal lessee: 13:54
instance Monad ((->) r) where ... m >>= k = \r -> k (m r) r 13:55
audreyt instance Monad ((->) a) where return = const m >>= k = \r -> (k (m r)) r
you beat me to it :)
gaal that's a first :) 13:56
audreyt :D
my excuse is that I'm half lost in Lost
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audreyt so I'm refactoring "..." so it can subsume "!!!" 13:56
and also represent n-ary (n>1) functions 13:57
cmarcelo curious to see how..
audreyt oh, trivial
(...) x y = (cast x, cast y)
:D
gaal audreyt is susceptible to kate and sawyer, heh
audreyt dunno, I just started watching season 1 episode 1 13:58
may or may not be interesting
gaal S2xE1's really good but only if you endure S1 :)
audreyt ok... 13:59
gaal I don't get how that (...) thing works
oh, again with the (->)?
audreyt type MethodPrim a = (a -> [:Val:] -> Eval Val)
(...) :: (Boxable b, ((:>:) (MethodPrim b)) a) => String -> a -> (ID, MethodPrim b)
yeah, basically you write cast instances from functions to the uniform MethodPrim 14:00
instance ((:>:) MethodPrim) Val where cast x = const . const . return -- constant function
gaal ooh I wonder if there's a way to dynamically moose pugstypes through lambdabot!
audreyt mm that's a thought 14:01
gaal let bardger = const in badger . badger . return 14:02
s/r// 14:03
fglock looks around for little things to do 14:08
lambdabot fglock: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
audreyt fglock: fix the two regex breakage? 14:09
looping at capture.t and exhaustive.t (look for the one after skip_all)
fglock audreyt: looking 14:10
does pugs use PERL5LIB when looking for PCR? 14:12
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audreyt fglock: no, it hardwires path 14:14
perl5/.../ when noninstalled
fglock ok
cmarcelo in Pugs.Internals.Cast: (a :>: b) or "((:>:) a) b" is intended to *mean* that b can be seen as "subtype" of a, right? 14:15
audreyt yes 14:16
as is the standard notation
"cast" is widening cast, or "upcast"
it must not lose information
cmarcelo k 14:18
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svnbot6 r15466 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Internals.Cast: The "cast = return . cast" instance is too 14:21
r15466 | audreyt++ | dangerous as it crosses kinds (from (a -> b) to (a -> m b)),
r15466 | audreyt++ | which can lead to surprising bugs, so we nix it for now.
r15467 | audreyt++ | * Adjust the "return . cast" as needed. 14:24
gaal huh: 14:28
@kind m a
lambdabot Not in scope: type variable `m'
<interactive>:1:2: Not in scope: type variable `a'
gaal hey, another labmdabot died when I tried that
cmarcelo @help kind
lambdabot kind <type>. Return the kind of a type
cmarcelo @kind a 14:29
lambdabot Not in scope: type variable `a'
cmarcelo @kind forall a. a
gaal @find forall a . a
lambdabot *
gaal er
hehe.
cmarcelo @kind forall a. (Monad m) => m a
lambdabot Not in scope: type variable `m'
<interactive>:1:23: Not in scope: type variable `m'
cmarcelo @kind forall a m. (Monad m) => m a 14:30
gaal quanitfy m too
lambdabot *
cmarcelo @kind forall m. (Monad m) => m
lambdabot `m' is not applied to enough type arguments
Expected kind `*', but `m' has kind `* -> *'
xerox gaal: check out `on` in GHC 6.7
gaal url?
cmarcelo @kind Monad 14:31
lambdabot Class `Monad' used as a type
xerox on f g x y -> g x `f` g y
?type let on f g x y -> g x `f` g y in comparing `on` fst
lambdabot parse error on input `->'
xerox ?type let on f g x y = g x `f` g y in comparing `on` fst
lambdabot Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: b = b -> a
Probable cause: `comparing' is applied to too few arguments
xerox Auhm.
?type let on f g x y = g x `f` g y in compare `on` fst 14:32
lambdabot forall a b. (Ord a) => (a, b) -> (a, b) -> Ordering
gaal are the docs for 6.7 online?
oh found them
haskell.org/ghc/dist/current/docs/
xerox docs/latest ? 14:33
lambdabot Title: GHC Documentation
audreyt haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/li...index.html
xerox ah, current.
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gaal oh! haha, all right, I understand what you were telling me now. :) 14:34
thanks 14:35
xerox ^_^
cmarcelo gaal: on = delegate
fglock re regex breakage: it's an old bug, infinite loop on '<null><null>' - I'll try to fix it
audreyt fglock: but it only started croaking after your recent PCR checkin...
fglock mm - that was just a grammar update 14:37
gaal shower&
audreyt fg 14:38
oops
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svnbot6 r15468 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Instead.Cast: Instead of allowing random Functors, 14:44
r15468 | audreyt++ | explicitly list [a] and [:a:] as the things that can
r15468 | audreyt++ | be implciitly mapcasted.
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svnbot6 r15469 | audreyt++ | * Adjust cast invocations as needed. 14:46
fglock what is the proper syntax to get a previous revision? I was trying: svk checkout -r 15450 perl5/Pugs-Compiler-Rule 14:49
clkao up -r
fglock thank
thanks
jamessan probably better to use merge 14:50
I'm not sure if svn's up -r has the same problems as CVS'
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audreyt svk's doesn't :) 14:53
jamessan does svn even have a concept of sticky tags?
I'd assume not, but I'm not as well versed in svn as I should be 14:54
args no, there are no sticky tags in sv[nk] 14:55
that's a feature :)
allbery_b sticky tags make sticky messes :) 14:56
jamessan agreed 14:57
gaal remoose
"Pugs.Instead.Cast"? 14:59
Internals of allowing random Functors...
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audreyt heh 15:02
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devbot6 dev: Ticket #3 (task updated): Capture fglock/putter interview info to kp6 faq. <dev.pugscode.org/ticket/3#comment:1> 15:55
svnbot6 r15470 | fglock++ | PCR - worked around a bug in regex backtracking, that prevented pugs tests capture.t and exhaustive.t from finishing 16:00
allbery_b yay
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audreyt hm, annoying comment spam again 16:05
audreyt sighs and locks down ticket_comment priv
devbot6 dev: Ticket #21 (task reopened): alarm-based timeout support for "make smoke" <dev.pugscode.org/ticket/21#comment:2> 16:07
rindolf audreyt: my site got link-spammed, and it was static HTML pages. 16:08
So someone compromised it.
moritz pwnd
rindolf: did you find out how it wwas done? 16:09
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rindolf moritz: well, all the pages were changed roughly one after the other so it was a script. 16:10
moritz: but no, I don't know how the server was compromised.
moritz: I had a very long password there. 16:11
I also had autorised some SSH public keys.
moritz rindolf: do you have your own server? or hosted somewhere?
rindolf moritz: it's hosted.
audreyt s/t//
moritz rindolf: ok, so it might have been a leak at the hoster 16:12
rindolf moritz: possibly.
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svnbot6 r15471 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Class: Finish the Very Flexible (...) construction 16:18
r15471 | audreyt++ | via the new IsPrim class, so all sorts of functions can
r15471 | audreyt++ | be promoted to methods.
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specbot6 r14309 | audreyt++ | * S05: Minor fixup for this sentence no verb. 16:25
gaal why is the type annotation needed in instanceMethods :: [(ID, MethodPrim a)] ? 16:28
audreyt it's a class method 16:29
the body is optional, the type not
I just reread (and recommitted) S12, and discoverd that HOW/WHAT/WHICH/ITEM/LIST etc are not actually methods 16:30
specbot6 r14310 | audreyt++ | * S12: Clarify that VAR(1) and VAR(@foo) are simply no-ops;
r14310 | audreyt++ | i.e., it applies to thiings other than Scalars, too.
r14310 | audreyt++ | Also fixed the postfix macro name and nomenclature
r14310 | audreyt++ | around .VAR.
audreyt so they need to become new Boxable clsmeths in Hs-land
this is good; I was worrying about Meta.Perl5's interception of .HOW calls to p5 land
gaal what does Is mean in IsMethodPrim ? 16:31
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gaal about the type annotation, I was asking why doesn't the inferencer deduce it itself 16:32
audreyt TimToady++ # brilliant use of those interrogative adverbs
gaal: you can't omit type annotations in class methods!
class Foo a where f = []
is ill-formed :)
TimToady_ :D
it occurred to me this morning that longest-token matching is basically just transaction support for :ratchet. :) 16:33
gaal oh, because a is parametric...
okay... and abut that Is thing? 16:34
audreyt it means "is subtype of" and means "can be casted to" 16:36
gaal like the "able" in Boxable? 16:37
audreyt yeah
MethodPrimable?
Methodable? 16:38
gaal we used either C or I for classes earlier.. I forger
s:last/r/t/
I, in ICoercible 16:39
but there was the -ible there too
reason I don't like IsMethodPrim is that hey, if it *is* a Prim, why do you need to call *asPrim* on it? 16:40
@index !:
lambdabot bzzt
gaal @index (!:)
lambdabot bzzt
gaal what's (args !: 0) ? 16:41
cmarcelo gaal: (!:) is like !! for pArrs, AFAIK there's no haddock in the web because haddock isn't ready for this syntax..
audreyt gaal: sure, please change to *able or something...
what cmarcelo said, yes
gaal oh right, ":" is a mnemonic for "..." 16:42
as in, the docs fall short 16:43
audreyt heh
gaal Looking for an English expression meaning Prime-ready.
or Prim-ready rather 16:44
cmarcelo what's the #ifdef to target 6.6 release (not targetting 6.7+)? (/me wants to include `on` combinator...)
TimToady_ Er, "Primready"?
audreyt cmarcelo: #if __GLASGOW_HASKELL__ == 606 16:45
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gaal #if __GLASGOW_HASKELL__ 16:46
primprime
-d
ok, simply Primable's probably best 16:48
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Alias_ audreyt: ping... 16:49
When you read me email I just sent, poke me 16:50
audreyt pong
url to your svn?
Alias_ All of it or just M:I? 16:52
audreyt mi
Alias_ svn.phase-n.com/svn/cpan/trunk/Module-Install/
audreyt and do I have a commit bit? 16:53
Alias_ I imagine so 16:54
audreyt k, syncing.
Alias_ checking...
wow, actually, apparently you don't
Wonder how you managed to go so long without one
Adding [email@hidden.address] 16:55
audreyt thanks
Alias_ I finally realise why your module count has been dropping so much :)
<-- thick 16:56
agentzh autrijus != audreyt?
cmarcelo the #if is causing a lexical error in 'make soon'... :P
Alias_ New user EMail sent to [email@hidden.address] 16:57
audreyt danke
Alias_ agentzh: www.thegestalt.org/simon/perl/wholecpan.html
lambdabot Title: CPAN Leaderboard
audreyt agentzh: autrijus =:= audreyt
Alias_ Because the leaderboard doesn't fold the two
agentzh audreyt: :)
Alias_ So autrijus module count falling gradually as audreyt count rises 16:58
agentzh i gathered so :)
audreyt it's better that way :)
Alias_ audreyt: You probably should rerelease a bunch of modules to fix that (and mostly to upgrade Module::Install)
audreyt I'd hate to release things just because of name change
well, upgrade M::I is a good reason
Alias_ nods
Check with the CPANTS data to see which ones actually need it
audreyt actually since you have only one commit in your M-I 16:59
why don't you take the tarball I sent to tels and reapply the commit locally?
easiest that way
Alias_ uh
audreyt and then I'll nuke the openfoundry one and leave a note there to tell people to switch to phase-n
Alias_ OR... I could just use a merge tool to resolve it
(Araxis Merge)++ 17:00
audreyt yup. the best one so far I've seen
agentzh audreyt: any plan to add more POD to M::I?
Alias_ agentzh: Alas, that was kind of my job :(
audreyt agentzh: why, yes. meet Alias_, he'll hand you a commit bit to M::I
agentzh i've been learning M::I by real examples, such as Jifty's Makefile.PL and pugs'
audreyt and then you can add PODs into it :)
Alias_ Initially it was my job to document M:I
agentzh :D
Alias_ Unfortunately, that involved reading the source code
audreyt Alias_: meet agentzh, his cpan it is AGENT 17:01
*id
Alias_ New user EMail sent to [email@hidden.address]
You now have commit to everything I've ever written on CPAN
HAVE A NICE DAY :) 17:02
agentzh received :)
thanks!
Alias: wow
audreyt CPAN: The Trust Matrix
agentzh needs to be very very careful :)
Alias_ Inspired by Audrey, but with a few more sanity checks before getting the bit, but much more power afterwards :) 17:03
agentzh i'll add some POD to M::I once I've got my own modules released. :) 17:04
err, that's Makefile::DOM which is based on PPI. :)
Alias_ suuure you will :)
You'll try to, and then get annoyed at bugs and start hacking on M:I instead 17:05
cmarcelo (for the logs, I was missing a GHC_OPTION -cpp in the .hs file)
agentzh Alias: right
Alias_ audreyt: So what are the new commands?
audreyt Alias_: see ChangeLog 17:06
Alias_ I hate this installdirs concept 17:08
svnbot6 r15472 | cmarcelo++ | * MO: Added the `on` combinator to simplify delegation of functions
r15472 | cmarcelo++ | like (==) and `compare` to 'parts' of a datatype. Stoled the GHC 6.7
r15472 | cmarcelo++ | implementation pointed by xerox++ after an idea from gaal++.
Alias_ Never makes any sense
xerox ++ \o/
audreyt Alias_: at least we eliminated the string constant which I find very very annoying
Alias_ I'm not a huge fan of the replacement though 17:09
gaal what, flip =<< ((flip . ((.) .)) .) . flip (.) wasn't good enough for you?
audreyt but I agree, this whole core/site/vendor hack is not exactly intuitive
Alias_ install_dirs_site?
Why not just install_site
audreyt becaus install_perl reads yucky
Alias_ huh?
install_core, install_site, install_vendor 17:10
audreyt but the key was 'perl'
not 'core'
Alias_ oh
audreyt again, I wished it was "core"
Alias_ right, ew
what does it do exactly
cmarcelo gaal: looked too much like lisp, so I dropped :)
Alias_ core means a cpan module installs over the top of existing core module
audreyt with install_site_perl it installs to C:\Perl\lib 17:11
Alias_ What's site vs vendor
audreyt er, install_dirs_perl
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audreyt there's no difference on win32 17:11
Alias_ Well, conceptually ...
core == core, perl == cpan, vendor == darkpan?
audreyt perl = core, site = cpan, vendor = debian/freebsd/whatnot 17:12
gaal cmarcelo: yeah you could tell I was only kidding :)
audreyt TimToady_: currently, aside from the VAR macro which does absolutely nothing (it merely cancels rvaluization), we have: 17:14
svnbot6 r15473 | audreyt++ | * MO.Run: Drop the unused (and generally impossible to satisfy)
r15473 | audreyt++ | toNameList for Responder before we go ahead and add several
r15473 | audreyt++ | magical macros.
Alias_ hrm
So could we make up our own scheme? :/
audreyt WHO/WHAT/WHICH/WHERE/HOW
Alias_ core_module
cpan_module
vendor_module
audreyt Alias_: but vendor_module doesn't quite make sense :/
audreyt ponders
install_as_core
Alias_ core_distribution
ya
install_as_core 17:15
install_as_cpan|site
install_as_vendor
audreyt yeah. good enough
Alias_ ok
audreyt maybe simply expose install_as_core...
and install_as_vendor
site is default anyway
so install_as_cpan/install_as_site is redundant, maybe
Alias_ Well, that's IT's default
I've been pondering the idea of fixing this license problem 17:16
cmarcelo gaal: yup, I was only joking on top of a joke (not a very translat_able_ fun sometimes)..
Alias_ By defaulting license to "proprietary"
audreyt TimToady_: anyway, I'm thinking about two more magicals, ITEM and LIST, for the two rvalue variants
Alias_ So that PAUSE can catch them
Then M:I could catch that there's a clash between the license and the install_as 17:17
audreyt TimToady_: do you think we need more magical macros along that line? ruby has a magical to_s (would be spelled STR here)
Alias_ BTW, I dunno if that whole XX thing is hanging around, but it made be shudder a bit 17:18
s/be/me/
audreyt TimToady_: or are there objects that just can't stringify, such that when you say "foo $obj bar" it dies?
agentzh Alias: why not default to the "perl" license?
Alias_ Because if we can't detect a license, it means the code probably has NO license 17:19
And that's a big big problem on the CPAN
agentzh hmm
audreyt currently we warn...
bbiab food 17:20
agentzh i like such warnings
Alias_ I dislike code making it to CPAN without licenses
Causes many many hours of pain for CPAN admins
I'd like to warn "No license found, defaulting to 'proprietary'"
agentzh wonders if it's 1:20 AM for audreyt's timezone.
Alias_ or hell, "none"
agentzh Alias_: agreed 17:21
Alias_ in which case it's perfectly sane for PAUSE to bitch "I'm not legally allowed to take that code"
agentzh lol
Alias_ Which is the ultimate point in the end
Making the uploader do some non-stupid license-based rejections
agentzh that would be very interesting 17:22
Alias_ audreyt: I don't see a preop implementation in your code
oh wait, yes I do 17:23
Must have grabbed the code before you added the Changes entry
agentzh: As it is I add C< license 'proprietary'; > to all my commercial modules 17:24
That way it's quite clear it's not for use anywhere else
agentzh hey 17:26
agentzh is hungry too. 17:27
Alias_ ?
ya, me too
Cue the Hunger Cascade
agentzh hehe. I can't follow Audrey time and have to go to sleep... 17:29
1:30 AM already
Alias_ 4:28am here 17:30
But then I got up at 7:30pm
agentzh wow...
gaal what Snn is context discussed in? S06 has this and I'm wondering if it's a fossil:
much like an array would be, that is, as a scalar in scalar context, and as a
list in list context.
(is there still "scalar" context?) 17:31
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Alias_ agentzh: Oh man, I just discovered "Human and Machine"... you use Windows Live Space? :/ 17:37
aaaaand he's left
heh, Makefile::DOM looks awfully familiar 17:40
audreyt xerox: wow, (*) can be used as identifier in patterns... 17:43
xerox > let x * 2 = 42 in 0 * 2 17:44
lambdabot 42
audreyt > let (*) + (/) = 1 * 2 / 3 in (-) + (-) 17:45
lambdabot -4
audreyt I was referring to this
Alias_ dear god that's scary
xerox :O
It _is_.
audreyt consistency, when executed carefully and successfully, results in great horror... 17:46
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Alias_ indeed 17:48
gaal what is that, some kind of argument against Kant?
xerox chomps chili chocolate 17:49
moritz gaal: againts mathematics 17:50
gaal: mathematics is scary as well ;)
gaal let enough = enough in enough 17:51
> let enough = enough in enough
lambdabot Exception: <<loop>>
svnbot6 r15474 | audreyt++ | * MO.Util: `on` doesn't really need #ifdef, since we don't 17:52
r15474 | audreyt++ | import Data.Function anyway. ;) unbreak 6.7
xerox ^_^ 17:53
gaal oh, I'da thought it'd be added to the prelude... *looks at Data.Function for sick ideas*
cmarcelo audreyt: 'fix' is in Data.Function, so I thought maybe we would need sometime.. 6.7 was broking even with #if ? 17:54
audreyt there's only fix and on
cmarcelo: the #if broke it
cmarcelo: we got fix from Control.Monad.Fix
so we can define on locally
at least till 6.8
cmarcelo how? __GLASGOW* == 606 for 607? 17:55
audreyt no
see, `on` is not in 607 prelude
cmarcelo oh, we didn't import D.Function
audreyt ayeaye
but we don't really need to
cmarcelo I see :)
audreyt local def is just as good :)
audreyt avoids -cpp whenever possible
gaal -favoid-cpp 17:56
cmarcelo k
xerox > fix (\swim xs -> case xs of (x:[]) -> x; (_:ys) -> swim ys) [1..100]
lambdabot 100
Alias_ It scares me I have no idea what I'm looking at 17:57
(with those lamdabot samples)
xerox One can go crazy with those. 17:58
Alias_ audreyt: ok, releasing M:I 0.65
gaal Alias_: xerox was providing an interesting implementation of @list[-1] using anonymous recursion
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Alias_ now you've told me, I still don't see what it means :) 17:59
but ok
Module::Install is done
xerox Alias_: it's fun, because it's a direct reification of how you would write |last| toplevel
gaal Alias_: "fix" lets mooses a Code so that it gets an extra parameter -- its own coderef
Alias_ "lets mooses" ?
gaal s/lets// 18:00
Alias_ You realise that makes even less sense than the actual thing :)
gaal uh.. okok
look at this p5 code:
xerox Alias_: you know how to define map?
gaal: you explain Haskell with p5?! (:
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Alias_ sub map {&@} { ... } right 18:00
er (..)
but yes
audreyt Alias_: well... let's see
?eval { (@$_ == 1) ?? $_[0] !! &?BLOCK($_[1..*]) }([1..100])
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xerox :O 18:01
gaal my $closure; $closure = { blah..... ; $closure->(); .... }
audreyt see, we don't even _need_ fix
xerox ....wait it's simple.
?src map
lambdabot map _ [] = []
map f (x:xs) = f x : map f xs
gaal interestingly the following does NOT work in p5:
my $closure = { blah..... ; $closure->(); .... }
Alias_ gets audrey's version
So it's just a VERY inefficient way of doing it :)
audreyt yeah :)
xerox > fix (\map f xs -> case xs of [] -> []; (x:xs) -> f x : map f xs) (^2) [1..5] 18:02
lambdabot [1,4,9,16,25]
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xerox you see it's identical to the other definition? 18:02
gaal so now suppose you had a combinator -- that's "function that modifies functions and returns the modified version" --
that wraps a closure in such a way that it has itself as a reference
sure, you can say "&?BLOCK" in Perl 6, but not in p5 18:03
so take audreyt's example: { (@$_ == 2) ?? $_[1] !! $_[0]($_[1..*]) }([1..100]) 18:04
I just unshifted this magical self thing
[particle] considers using himself as a reference in a search for programming jobs 18:05
gaal actually I need to fix it up so that the inside call remains consistent: { (@$_ == 2) ?? $_[1] !! $_[0]($_[0], $_[1..*]) }([1..100])
audreyt [particle]: Circular, Inc. would hire you 18:06
ingy dereferences [particle]
[particle] but i already work there!
gaal only problem they's ask you to pay your own salary
audreyt but that's a feature!
gaal so, "fix", aslo known as "the Y combinator" and other names, does that
never mind its haskell implementation, which *is* kinda spooky 18:07
in fact never mind its implementation at all
or rather, sure, mind it, but not necessarily now
because to use it effectively you don't need to necessarily know its implementation
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gaal Alias_: so audreyt and I both had occasion to use this recently in pugs 18:08
xerox ?src fix
lambdabot fix f = let x = f x in x
xerox yes?
gaal I wanted to refactor something that creates classes 18:09
basically there was a function
audreyt sub Y (&) { my $rec = shift; my $sub; $sub = my $tmp = sub { $rec->($sub)->(@_) }; weaken($sub); $tmp }
svnbot6 r15475 | moritz++ | eval()ed test in t/builtins/math/sqrt.t that doesn't compile
audreyt is a p5 implementation that (should) work
gaal mkClass "Str" [ ("reverse", sub {....implementation of reverse}), ("split", sub {...}), ... ] 18:10
Alias_: only thing is, that like any class, Str wants to have methods like HOW, WHAT, WHICH
so mkClass needs to add these methods to the list at the caller site 18:11
now, the implementations of WHAT and HOW are actually recursive! 18:12
that is, Str's HOW should return the Str class (that's how the metamodel is accessed in Perl 6)
but the Str (meta)class is precisely the thing being defined when I say C<< mkClass "Str" [...] >> 18:13
audreyt Alias_: for a nonhaskelly explanation see use.perl.org/~Aristotle/journal/30896
lambdabot Title: Journal of Aristotle (5147)
gaal MJD used to have a talk online about this, too, but I don't know if it's still accessible. 18:14
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svnbot6 r15476 | moritz++ | replaced parsefails with flunk("FIXME parsefail") in smartmatch tests 18:24
r15477 | audreyt++ | * Instead of inventing a complicated "special dispatch" for 18:26
r15477 | audreyt++ | super-magical pseudomethods like WHO/WHICH/ITEM/LIST, we
r15477 | audreyt++ | for now use the very convenient, very pythonesque treatment
r15477 | audreyt++ | of simply calling special method names like __WHO__, __WHICH__,
r15477 | audreyt++ | etc and hope that nobody mucks with them. ;)
gaal is that need? S12 mentions $o."WHERE" if you really need a method of that name, and that the METAS are macros 18:27
*needed
but I'm zonked for today... see y'all tomorrow &
audreyt gaal: right, question is what does the macro translate to 18:31
svnbot6 r15478 | gaal++ | * rename IsMethodPrim to MethodPrimable
audreyt and I chose for now to translate it to ."__WHERE__"
because it's simplest :)
but it's just implementation detail...
zgh whoa... python flashback
well no then it would be lower case...
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audreyt see changelog: "very convenient, very pythonesque" 18:32
zgh hehe
audreyt but I need to sleep too :)
bbl, more tomorrow... &
gaal __HERE_BE_PYTHONS__WHERE__HERE_BE_PYTHONS__
audreyt lol
Alias_ :)
fglock re Y combinator: this makes me feel better about kp6 unreadability
zgh that explanation made my eyes glaze over... 18:37
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Daveman WHENCE 18:38
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offby1 hence, thence. 18:51
svnbot6 r15479 | cmarcelo++ | * MO: Some comments, a little overview (in MO.Run), and some
r15479 | cmarcelo++ | code reordering. Review and corrections are *very* welcome.
cmarcelo (bbiab &) 18:52
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rindolf Hi all. 19:39
Can you guys please svn checkout svn.perl.org/modules/XML-RSS/trunk/ and then do perl Makefile.PL; HARNESS_PERL_SWITCHES="-MDevel::Cover" make test; ?
lambdabot Title: Revision 9211: /XML-RSS/trunk
rindolf Devel::Cover reports coverage for the DateTime::Format modules. 19:40
For me at least.
moritz is co'ing
rindolf perl-Devel-Cover-0.61-1mdv2007.1 19:41
moritz: thanks.
moritz rindolf: Warning: prerequisite DateTime::Format::Mail 0 not found.
rindolf: should I ignore these? 19:42
rindolf moritz: you need to install it.
moritz: no, you need it.
moritz *installing* 19:43
rindolf moritz: thanks. 19:45
moritz at least the prerequisites are available as .debs ;)
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moritz rindolf: any other dependencies that I should know of? 19:46
rindolf: the tests can't find Devel::Cover and therefore fail 19:47
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moritz rindolf: and after installing Devel::Cover: All tests successful, 4 tests skipped 19:51
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jrockway hey, what's the status of feed operators in pugs? 19:56
i was thinking about it a while ago, and it seems like they can be implemented in perl as infix operators
am i missing something? 19:57
allbery_b have you checked Perl-6.0.0-STD yet?
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jrockway nope, nor do i know what that is :( 20:06
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allbery_b lwall's been creating the formal description for perl6.0.0 in Perl-6.0.0-STD.pm, which you'll find in the pugs distribution tree. 20:10
consider that the final word on how things are going to be parsed
moritz allbery_b: so will it be really used some day? 20:11
svnbot6 r15480 | fglock++ | PCR - added failing test (from pugs capture.t)
allbery_b I believe the intent is that that will be loaded in response to "use v6;" to define the "standard" perl 6.0.0 language, yes 20:12
right now the implementations are all stubs, but the parse information should be there for most stuff
i.e. what syntactic and/or semantic class things belong to 20:13
moritz I'll take a look ;) 20:16
rindolf moritz: I found out what my problem was - I had stale .pm files under site_perl.
moritz rindolf: ok ;) 20:19
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