pugscode.org/ | nopaste: sial.org/pbot/perl6 | ?eval [~] <m oo se> | We do Haskell, too | > reverse . show $ foldl1 (*) [1..4] | irclog: irc.pugscode.org/
Set by diakopter on 11 July 2007.
rhr just out of curiosity, could you try airen.bcm.umontreal.ca/ghc-pugs-etc...-2_all.deb ? It's arch-independent 00:00
lambdabot tinyurl.com/yt9hu4
Aankhen`` Okay, how?
rhr it should be the same as yours
just wget it and dpkg -i 00:01
Aankhen`` Wow, I think that worked.
No errors this time.
Do I move on to the next step now?
rhr well, that's certainly confusing
hold on a sec... 00:02
I wonder if a particular version of haddock has to be installed while ghc is compiled or something 00:03
Aankhen`` BRB.
rhr but both of us should have had the old haddock installed when we compiled it, so maybe not 00:04
I guess you should go ahead for now though 00:05
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Aankhen`` rhr: :-| 00:28
E: Build-dependencies for libghc6-mtl-dev could not be satisfied.
rhr what's needed?
Aankhen`` No idea. 00:29
80,69518358# apt-get build-dep libghc6-mtl-dev libghc6-network-dev libghc6-time-dev
80,69518358Reading package lists... Done
80,69518358Building dependency tree... Done
80,69518358Note, selecting ghc6-prof instead of libghc6-base-prof
80,69518358E: Build-dependencies for libghc6-mtl-dev could not be satisfied.
E: Build-dependencies for libghc6-mtl-dev could not be satisfied.
Er.
Sorry, anti-flood script being useless again.
rhr is ghc6-prof installed? 00:30
Aankhen`` Not sure, should I install it from aptitude?
rhr no, dpkg -i ghc6-prof_6.6.1-*.deb
Aankhen`` Ah.
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rhr I'll add that to the list 00:31
Aankhen`` Heh/
s|/|.|
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Aankhen`` Yey, all done. I think. 00:35
Yup, looks like it.
rhr awesome! 00:36
Aankhen`` Thanks for holding my hand. :-) 00:38
rhr np
pugs_svnbot r17069 | rhr++ | trunk:
: [INSTALL] corrections to ghc-on-etch instructions from Aankhen``++'s trial
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17069
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17069 - Pugs - Trac
Aankhen`` Could lambdabot be made to ignore pugs_svnbot? 00:44
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meppl good morning 04:17
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dduncan good evening 04:38
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meppl good evening dduncan 04:52
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dduncan good morning meppl 05:06
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Juerd s ax 05:47
s/.*//
moritz_ re 06:05
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diakopter use Lingua::#perl6; 06:12
moritz syntax error at line 1, column 13: expected: bareword; got: comment 06:14
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diakopter moritz: ?eval $0="\n"; 06:15
moritz *** Can't modify constant item: VUndef at <interactive> line 1, column 1-8 06:16
diakopter heh
moritz ;)
diakopter use Web::TwoPointOhCrap; 06:17
moritz say "Welcome to the wonderful world of IRC nonsense" 06:18
amnesiac IRC::Perl6::Random::Toughts 06:19
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moritz gaal would protest, these are random Mooses ;) 06:19
@seen gaal 06:20
lambdabot I saw gaal leaving #perl6 and #haskell 11h 50m 43s ago, and .
lumi And? 06:22
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diakopter @seen lambdabot 06:24
lambdabot Yes, I'm here. I'm in #thunks, #happs, ##logic, #friendly-coders, #dreamlinux-es, #xmonad, #unicycling, #perl6, #parrot, #oasis, #jtiger, #haskell-soc, #haskell-overflow, #haskell-blah, #haskell, #
ghc, #gentoo-uy, #gentoo-haskell, #darcs and #scannedinavian
moritz and now I'm trying to build a debian package out of pugs with my freshly installed ghc6 06:25
6.6.1 that is
pasteling "moritz" at 84.148.35.162 pasted "pugs build warnings" (63 lines, 2.4K) at sial.org/pbot/26328 06:27
moritz are these warnings "normal" with ghc 6.6.1?
or is my time package broken?
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bloonix good morning 06:48
moritz hi bloonix ;) 06:49
bloonix did you read my privat msg? 06:50
moritz which one? about recommending Log::Handler?
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bloonix yes 06:51
moritz Aye ;)
You're welcome ;)
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bloonix I read a thread on googlecode and saw it. thx :) 06:52
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thoughtpolice moritz: hm as with your time module issue it looks possible 07:37
moritz: try getting the latest time off of hackage.haskell.org and try afterwords?
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moritz thoughtpolice: can I somehow build a debian packages out of it? 07:38
thoughtpolice moritz: did you apt-get 6.6.1 or build from source? 07:39
moritz thoughtpolice: I did a apt-get source ghc6 and build the debian package
thoughtpolice hm. i don't use debian at all so i'm not one to ask on those matters. you might try asking Igloo in #haskell (he's the maintainer of ghc for debian on all architectures afaik) 07:40
moritz thoughtpolice: thanks for the hint 07:41
thoughtpolice np
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thoughtpolice moritz: either way I have 6.6.1 on my openbsd box and i have not gotten any similar errors to yours 07:44
moritz: i would try pulling the time package (and perhaps the unix package) off of hackage.haskell.org and try installing them first to see if that makes a difference
speaking of that, time for a sandwich and a weekly system package upgrade 07:47
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wolverian freenode.net/primary_groups.shtml should we be on here? :) 08:06
lambdabot Title: Primary Groups
moritz wolverian: we could, of course 08:07
integral careful, playing politics can be dangerous
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moritz probably it's not worth the effort 08:08
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shachaf moritz: Have you seen haskell-unsafe.alioth.debian.org/ha...nsafe.html ? 08:15
lambdabot Title: Haskell Unsafe
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moritz shachaf: no, looks interesting ;) 08:16
@tell fglock would you be interested in a kp6/mp6 homepage? 08:17
lambdabot Consider it noted.
moritz shachaf: sadly the haskell-unsafe packages are older than those in stable ;) 08:21
Juerd diakopter: ping 08:22
shachaf moritz: Oh. Sorry. :-( 08:25
moritz shachaf: no problem ;) 08:26
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moritz diakopter: what's the status of a kp6 evalbot? missing safe/unsafe distinction? 09:05
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moritz r17070 has the disadvantage that all modules have to be entered manually into Makefile, but _it_ _works_ ;) 10:53
pugs_svnbot r17070 | moritz++ | trunk:
: [kp6] removed non-functional globbing in Makefile.
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17070
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17070 - Pugs - Trac
moritz kp6 takes about 80 seconds to build on my maschine ;) 10:56
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thoughtpolice where is kp6 located, anyway? i've seen the posts and talk about it but I have absolutely no idea how to play with it. i must be dumb. :( 11:03
moritz thoughtpolice: in the pugs repository under v6/v6-KindaPerl6/
thoughtpolice: build with 'make' 11:04
thoughtpolice: and compile with perl -Ilib kp6-perl5.pl < $source_file > $out_file.pl
thoughtpolice: and then run perl -Ilib5 $out_file.pl 11:05
thoughtpolice moritz: my obsd box is down right now (I work with pugs on it,) but I'll be sure to take a look. :>
hopefully I can get ghc built on dragonflybsd (there is no ghc porter for dragonfly, so I'm considering doing it) sometime soon so I can move some of that work over and free up some disk space on my obsd box 11:06
regardless, moritz++ :)
oi, first i need a browser that actually *works* and doesn't lock up every five minutes (damn you flock, damn you...) i'm nearly at wits end. 11:08
links2 anybody?
wolverian w3m is nice 11:09
thoughtpolice i've heard good things 11:10
moritz there's now browser like wget ;)
thoughtpolice any win32 support? i am seriously not shy of just using it inside a console on this box
it'd probably be more in my style of "sticking it to the graphical man" and doing everything from a cli anyway. plus less memory usage and lock ups. :( 11:11
moritz win32 and cli don't go together very well 11:12
thoughtpolice i just a different cli (Console2)
i would use cygwin, but the 'remote install ideology' is so incredibly horrid I just decided to say nay to that.
if there were some actual working mirrors, it might be a different story 11:13
because in my experiance I've gotten cygwin to install once, and that was a long time ago when I probably was barely in high school
moritz aye
pugs_svnbot r17071 | moritz++ | trunk: 11:38
: [kp6]
: * added Perl5 runtime to Makefile
: * added 'test' target to Makefile
: * created directory v6-KindaPerl6/lib5/KindaPerl6/Runtime/ in order to
: compile P6opaque, but it doesn't work (yet?)
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17071
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17071 - Pugs - Trac
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lumi Is there a data description language for YAML? 12:50
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fglock moritz: re homepage - sure 13:17
lambdabot fglock: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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Limbic_Region salutations all btw 13:18
it appears that the cgi:irc feather issues may have been resolved
++ to whomever fixed them - likely diakopter
lumi Being warnocked on IRC sucks
fglock moritz: kp6 doesn't need to be built, unless you modify it - the image is in svn 13:19
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Juerd Being warnocked sucks anywhere. 13:25
sb goto 15:18
argh
masak Limbic_Region: salutations 13:27
lumi: who's warnocked?
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diakopter Limbic_Region: we shall see. 13:36
:)
Juerd: pong 13:39
Juerd diakopter: Hi there :)
diakopter: Your svnbot is suspended; please do not restart it before the issue is resolved
diakopter oh, ok... what issue?
Juerd diakopter: There have been complaints that svn.perl.org cannot handle the load caused by its "flooding" - the 2-minute interval check. 13:40
diakopter wow...
Juerd diakopter: Shall I forward you the relevant emails?
diakopter sure, definitely... you're referring to svnbotl in #parrot?
Juerd Yes
diakopter: Do you want a forward with attachments, or bounces? 13:41
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diakopter either/both 13:41
Juerd Bouncing...
You've got mail :) 13:42
[particle] iirc svnbot used to check every 6m on #parrot 13:43
diakopter got at least most of them, I think. 13:44
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Juerd diakopter: There are 10. 13:45
diakopter k; got 'em all 13:46
Limbic_Region: I switched cgiirc to use the compiled C CGI instead of the P5 script 13:47
purely an experiment.. I hope you're able to stay online for a while
I had 0 confidence it would improve anything
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diakopter <sigh> cgiirc... 14:00
Juerd: I don't see anyone in that thread saying anything about svn.perl.org not being able to hand any particular load...
just that someone is annoyed to see the 404 (equivalent) in the logs. 14:01
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Juerd diakopter: That must have been my assumption then 14:04
diakopter: As I can't imagine someone would go through all the trouble for a few log entries.
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diakopter and I'm surpised to see someone claiming that the next-revision-checking poor-implementation problem "went away" and then "came back", because that aspect of svnbot.pl's design hasn't been touched since before I had even *heard* of Perl 6 (initial check-in of that bot May 2005). 14:14
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Juerd diakopter: Feel free to reply to the messages 14:18
I must admit that I understand little about the complaint. 14:19
My gut feeling is that if a server can't handle an anonymously-public operation done once every few minutes, the box is in desparate need of an upgrade, or the feature should be disabled.
diakopter yes; someone's resources must be feeling a pinch, imho. 14:22
Juerd In any case, apparently someone at svn.perl.org does think there's a problem
And I guess feather users will have to fix it...
diakopter changes iblech's original svn log mechanism 14:23
diakopter changes that svnbot to query using https ;) 14:25
(just kidding)
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diakopter Juerd: I just flooded svn.pugscode.org/pugs with the exact same failing propfind 180 times in 60 seconds. The 1-minute load went from 0.00 to 0.02. 14:28
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Juerd Heh. 14:29
Can I quote that in an email?
diakopter sure... I *love* Monday-morning defensiveness! (not really.) 14:30
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Juerd Does the "not really" apply to the "sure" as well? 14:31
diakopter no, sorry. please do quote it.
Juerd bcc or cc? 14:33
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diakopter doesn't matter to me. I expect these logs will persist regardless (unless one of us marks this thread as "spam") :) 14:34
(the irc logs, I mean)
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Juerd I don't know if you want your address kept private 14:35
diakopter Juerd: still, I'm fixing it to use svn info instead. Heh; let's see if that changes the 3/second result on feather. ;)
oh; it doesn't matter; use [email@hidden.address] or [email@hidden.address] 14:36
diakopter loves spam and such
Juerd sent 14:39
diakopter using the svn info method (no revision specified), the 1-minute load rose to 6.62!
Juerd Wonderful!
Much better; do that... (...)
diakopter :D
but, svn info requests don't mar the logs ;) 14:40
Juerd Sent another message quoting that.
diakopter heh.. implying that svnbot would hit it 3/second... lol. 14:41
Juerd Probably not.
By the way - there's going to be network maintenance in 90 minutes 14:43
diakopter I know; just playing.
duration?
14:43 diakopter sets mode: -o diakopter
Juerd Max. 45 minutes 14:43
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Juerd But I'll try to keep it to max. 10 minutes, twice :) 14:43
Some things are glued together in a really nasty way at the moment
We're done migrating the old stuff away
Now to remove the glue. 14:44
diakopter imagines ironport switches and cisco routers superglued to each other and to the inside walls of a rack. 14:45
Juerd Hm. We don't use actual glue in racks
Tie wraps and duct tapes, sure, but no glue.
Everything goes through this ancient Cisco switch, though. I'm convinced its PCB is glued together. 14:46
rhr moritz: re sial.org/pbot/26328 I got those warnings also. No idea what's wrong... 14:49
lambdabot Title: Paste #26328 from "moritz" at 84.148.35.162
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moritz rhr: good to know 16:34
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pugs_svnbot r17072 | fglock++ | trunk: 18:44
: [kp6] updated roadmap
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17072
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17072 - Pugs - Trac
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diakopter er; yikes 18:52
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pugs_svnbot r17073 | diakopter++ | modified svnbot.pl to use 'svn info' to obtain 19:09
r17073 | diakopter++ | the latest repository HEAD revision number, to
r17073 | diakopter++ | prevent unnecessary error.log entries in httpd
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17073
fglock_ hmm - kp6 should be able to support a prelude already - trying...
thoughtpolice yawns excessively 19:14
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moritz fglock_: are you planning to improve kp6's parsing error messages, or will you wait for STD.pm? 19:39
Aankhen`` I think from now I'm referring to JIT compilation as lazy compilation. :-D 19:42
s/now/now on/
integral it's better than just plain lazy when it uses a cache with expiry and what not 19:43
Aankhen`` Ah.
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moritz how can I generate a pattern in p5 that matches nothing? 20:20
fglock_ moritz: re messages - incremental improvements would be ok, but most of the parser will be replaced anyway
/(?!)/ 20:21
moritz thanks
fglock_ you mean never matches?
moritz yes
avar or equivalently /(*FAIL)/ on 5.10 20:40
moritz avar: I'm bound to 5.8 :( 20:41
avar I figured, just saying.. 20:42
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pugs_svnbot r17074 | fglock++ | [kp6] added Prelude.pm 20:45
r17074 | fglock++ | - NOTE: this file must be compiled with kp6 - not mp6!!!
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17074
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17074 - Pugs - Trac
moritz avar: of course - that way we'll slowly adapt the 5.10 regex ;)
fglock_: if you add Prelude.pm to Makefile, it is easier to figure out how to compile it ;) 20:46
fglock moritz: I've got to understand the Makefile first :) 20:47
avar there's a makefile? hrm 20:50
moritz avar: a rather hacky one ;)
pugs_svnbot r17075 | moritz++ | [irclog] medium size cleanup 20:54
r17075 | moritz++ | * moved all functions only used by the CGI scripts from IrcLog to IrcLog::WWW
r17075 | moritz++ | * fixed regexes for static links and abbreviations if the data files can't be
r17075 | moritz++ | read
r17075 | moritz++ | * added test scripts for http_header() and synopsis links
r17075 | moritz++ | * some tab -> whitespace cleanups
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17075
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17075 - Pugs - Trac
moritz old svnbot behaviour?
@karma moritz
lambdabot You have a karma of 112
diakopter moritz++ ;) 20:57
moritz @karma diakopter
lambdabot diakopter has a karma of 43
moritz diakopter: you have to write longer commit messages ;)
diakopter heh... I've only done <10 commits I think. 20:58
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pugs_svnbot r17076 | fglock++ | [kp6] Prelude - added several classes; needs a review 21:01
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17076
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17076 - Pugs - Trac
moritz what's class "Signature" for? 21:03
fglock it's the structure that holds the description of a subroutine's parameters
pugs_svnbot r17077 | fglock++ | [kp6] Prelude - it's better to run through perltidy
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17077
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17077 - Pugs - Trac
moritz fglock: then I'd expect it to be a list of type specs 21:05
fglock: can you elaborate a bit on why you did it this way?
fglock moritz: that's the 'array' part; the 'hash' part is keyed by parameter name 21:06
moritz and what's $.scalar? 21:07
fglock could also be called 'invocant', 'positionals' and 'named'
probably should
moritz anyway, time for bed ;) 21:09
diakopter is the return type part of the signature, for casting or "context"?
fglock moritz: good night
diakopter (wantarray, want******, etc)
fglock diakopter: not sure, i've got to check that 21:10
but i think that the return type is not part of the signature
diakopter oh. :/ seems to me it should be? 21:12
spinclad re svnbot: i was liking the header++ | branchname: style, myself...
diakopter spinclad: msg/email Juerd about it :P 21:13
fglock brb
spinclad what, it makes a difference in polling svn.perl.org?
diakopter no 21:14
It just wasn't I who changed it back (to 'false true'), so I assumed it was Juerd. 21:15
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spinclad could have been an accidental reversion then maybe. if everyline++ has actual supporters, i'll be happy with it; if not, i've made my noise now for the other. 21:18
diakopter could'a. too bad much of feather's configuration isn't revisioned. 21:19
spinclad i'll /msg him and ask. thanks. 21:20
what do the two arguments ('false true') mean? 21:21
(or -- hey -- let me RTFS)
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Juerd I'm rereading S02 21:44
First impression: OMG!
spinclad is that OMG++ or OMG--?
PerlJam Juerd: yeah, in a good way or a bad way? 21:45
Juerd Bad way
5 pages on how whitespace and comments work
And before you go "yeah, but most of that is examples" -- the examples are necessary to grok it all.
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PerlJam Juerd: Well, what else besides whitespace? 21:48
Juerd I haven't read the rest yet.
As I said: "first impression" :)
PerlJam Juerd: Are you going to read through the other synopses as well? 21:49
Juerd The unspace seems necessary (though if someone can come up with a better idea, please do so :P), but the inline comments are annoyingly complicated, and I expect: error prone. 21:50
PerlJam: Not sure.
Reading this makes me want to talk about the things I don't like
And my hands and wrists hurt.
PerlJam Juerd: You seem to have a critical eye, so I'd be interested to read your impressions if you ever care to write them down. 21:51
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PerlJam (The whitespace rules make me ... uncomfortable, let's say, but I've come to accept them) 21:51
Tene PerlJam: howso? I rather like them.
Juerd In general, my complaints will be in the form "<foo> is incredibly complex", with arguments like "it's hard to learn" or "it's too easy to make subtle mistakes with huge consequences" :)
PerlJam: I was aware of the existence of both features. But now that I see the implications/consequences, I'm un-accepting them :) 21:52
Khisanth Juerd: typic description of Perl? :)
Juerd Khisanth: No.
Khisanth: I love Perl, and I love Perl 6
buu "But ours is a forbidden love.." 21:53
spinclad "hard to learn" and "fragile" are both important feedback
Juerd But I think its complexity is wildly growing out of proportion.
Khisanth buu: depends on what country you are in
PerlJam Tene: I'll let you know in detail about my comfort with them as soon as I try to write something that explains it to a newbie :)
Juerd (s/is growing/has been growing/)
buu Juerd: I'm going to guess we hit that stage 5 years ago.. 21:54
Juerd Full unicode support in the syntax is going to be expensive when parsing. 21:55
Should probably be configurable, so that you can easily opt for a much less extended set of supported brackets.
PerlJam Juerd: growing out of proportion compared to what? 21:56
Juerd PerlJam: User clue. 21:57
Syntax is the basis of a language. At least *syntax* should be understandable by the majority of programmers. 21:58
You can then add as many classes and methods as you like -- you can easily look those up in documentation.
(in *structured* documentation, I might add) 21:59
But every single Perl programmer needs to know that a bracketing character following # makes the # very, very special.
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PerlJam I believe that merlyn and bdf are writing "Learning Perl 6". If they can explain it to ordinary folk, then it's probably okay. 22:00
Juerd It would be less annoying if inline comments didn't ride on #.
Tene howso?
Juerd # introduces a line-end comment 22:01
Unless it is followed by a opening bracket
Unless the # is at the beginning of a line
The double unless makes me nervous.
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Juerd Oh, I misread it. It seems to be worse even :) 22:03
# is a line-end comment
Unless it is followed by an opening bracket, and at the beginning of a line -- then it's a block comment
or it is followed by an opening bracket, and NOT at the beginning of a line -- then it's an embedded comment 22:04
(unless+or makes me equally nervous :P)
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little hi 22:19
Tene Hi!
little speak portuguese?
Tene I don't. :(
little you programing in perl? 22:20
Tene I do! 22:21
:)
little ok
see
diakopter looks
little see this is code
sub google(){
my @lst;
my $key = $_[0];
for($b=0;$b<=1000;$b+=100){ 22:22
diakopter little: can you use a nopaster instead?
little my $Go=("www.google.co.id/search?hl=id&q...art=".$b);
lambdabot www.google.co.id/search?hl=id&q...tart=".$b)
little my $Res=query($Go);
while($Res =~ m/<a href=\"?http:\/\/([^>\"]*)\//g){
if ($1 !~ /google/){
my $k=$1;
my @grep=links($k);
push(@lst,@grep);
}}}
return @lst;
Tene little: I think you want #perl instead of #perl6. That looks like perl5 code.
little i serch in domain .jp
how? 22:23
Tene little: /join #perl
diakopter thinks he's seen this homework question before
little error
diakopter goes afk 22:24
little how I make it to search only in sites with domain jp? 22:25
Juerd I think arrays should not have .codes, .graphs, and .bytes
Tene little: ask in #perl
little error man
Juerd They're string things, not applicable to objects in general
little in #perl
Juerd So they don't belong on aggregates
Those who want totals can *easily* do sum(@foo».codes) 22:26
little you programing in perl?
Juerd But I don't think many people ever need such numbers, anyway.
little help me
buubot little: Available Plugins: oeis jeval spell cpan shorten rt topic squeeze rbeval acronym change managementspeak reverse join translate bibleit core imdb insult tv help echo eval convert jseval mangle restart quit deparse part pyeval reload_plugins goobooblink heap_test rss
Juerd little: Go to #perl
little: You are in the wrong channel.
little oh my god
19:18] [474] #perl You're banned from that channel
Juerd little: Your god is in #perl :)
little ok
man
Juerd I can imagine why they'd ban you. 22:27
little because?
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Juerd Well, I think the root of the problem is that you don't speak English. 22:28
You can't read the topic that says that you should not paste code in the channel, and don't understand the not-so-subtle hints that people give you
little i dont speak english 22:29
Juerd You probably have no idea what I'm trying to tell you now, either.
little sorry
Juerd So don't visit English channels
(Most IRC channels are)
little ok
Juerd Try #perl.it 22:30
Err
Try #perl.pt
(doesn't exist I think)
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little but nobody helps me in these canals 22:32
REPLeffect It's a Panama problem :-) 22:33
A man, a plan, a canal, panama!
s/panama/Panama/
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diakopter wb Limbic_Region 23:42
Limbic_Region: seems cgiirc didn't last terribly long this morning?
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