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pugscode.org/ | nopaste: sial.org/pbot/perl6 | ?eval [~] <m oo se> | We do Haskell, too | > reverse . show $ foldl1 (*) [1..4] | irclog: irc.pugscode.org/ Set by diakopter on 11 July 2007. |
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| hutrecht | or not? | 00:10 | |
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| dwave_ | is there a perl 6 library specification? | 00:17 | |
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| jjore-m | why not, hutrecht? | 01:16 | |
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| hutrecht | jjore-m: do you think perl is strong enough to make the new regex the new standard regex? | 01:17 | |
| jjore-m: (to be adopted by other languages) | 01:18 | ||
| jjore-m | uh, how about you see what happens later? | ||
| hutrecht | jjore-m: i can't wait | ||
| jjore-m: i'm curious | |||
| jjore-m: the new regex looks very powerful | 01:19 | ||
| jjore-m: it looks revolutionary | |||
| jjore-m: i hope it will become a new standard | |||
| jjore-m | ok, see p5p with the future.pm module. | ||
| you need a time machine. | |||
| hutrecht | what is p5p? | 01:20 | |
| jjore-m | it's the group that produces perl 5. | ||
| you know, like 5.10.0 of just a few days ago? | |||
| hutrecht | probably you're speaking like this because you're not much familiar with the new regex language promised for perl6 | 01:21 | |
| it is quite an improvement, believe me | |||
| jjore-m | say hutrecht, you've seen parser generators right? | ||
| hutrecht | jjore-m: yes, i have | ||
| jjore-m: why? | |||
| jjore-m | roughly the new thing looks to me like another powerful parser generator. | 01:22 | |
| hutrecht | jjore-m: yes, but it is still regex | ||
| jjore-m | it doesn't appear revolutionary to me but does seem to take the state of the common implementation farther. you know, evolutionary. | 01:23 | |
| hutrecht | then call it abrupt evolution | ||
| jjore-m | er? | ||
| hutrecht | because regex hasn't evolved much in the past many years | ||
| jjore-m | say, do you know a pattern language for tree matching other than XPath? | 01:24 | |
| hutrecht | not really | ||
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| agjal | good night | 03:38 | |
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| theorbtwo | BTW, regexes have evolved a fair bit in the past few years, it's just that perl 5.8 regexes didn't. Perl 5.10 regexes are now back up to the state of the art, after being stagnant for a while. | 10:22 | |
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| pugs_svn | r19240 | ruoso++ | [yap6] Some detailed documentation in README (worth looking), and NEW in the prototype. | 15:23 | |
| ruoso | pmurias, please take a look at the new REAME I just commited... | 15:25 | |
| I would appreciate an opinion on that | |||
| pmurias | ruoso: looking | 15:30 | |
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| pugs_svn | r19241 | pmurias++ | [yap6] minor english corrections | 15:35 | |
| pmurias | ruoso: the plan is to implement a interpreter in stage 1 perl6? | 15:36 | |
| ruoso | yep... | ||
| and do that by extending kp6 | |||
| Alias_ | To create skmp6? | 15:37 | |
| sorta-kinda-maybe Perl 6? | |||
| ruoso | heh | 15:38 | |
| actually, it would be KP6 | |||
| as it is today | |||
| I mean | |||
| not | |||
| that would be the final interpreter | |||
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| ruoso | the stage 1 would be more like what mini perl 6 is | 15:38 | |
| exept that it would only have available the native types created by yap6 | 15:39 | ||
| pmurias | ruoso: what will kp6 generate opcodes for yap6 or c code? | ||
| ruoso | stage 1 would generate c | 15:40 | |
| kp6 would interpret perl code | |||
| eventually freezing the interpreter state after compilation | 15:41 | ||
| having a "bytecode-like" data to load | |||
| pmurias | ruoso: the way perl5 does? | 15:42 | |
| ruoso | yep | ||
| much like it | |||
| pmurias | ruoso: you could expand a bit on that part in the README | ||
| my first impresion was that stage 2 would also be c code | 15:43 | ||
| and only the last sentence suggests that it is otherwise | 15:44 | ||
| why isn't stage 2 also c code? | 15:45 | ||
| ruoso | because the runtime would need to implement a lot of things | ||
| like exception model | |||
| stack management | |||
| but | 15:46 | ||
| in fact, it is possible to translate it to C | |||
| even with the optimizations | |||
| actually... I don't have the stage 2 completely clear right now, | 15:47 | ||
| as stage 1 is not implemented yet | |||
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| ruoso | KP6 today depends a lot in P5 | 15:47 | |
| the stage 1 needs to implement all that... | 15:48 | ||
| exception model, closures etc | |||
| I will only be able to say if stage 2 can or cannot be compiled down to C after stage 1 is implemented | |||
| but the natural way would be to work just like p5 | |||
| pmurias | it would avoid needing a c compiler for eval | 15:49 | |
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| ruoso | yep... but allowing c compilation would provide JIT compilation for code snippets | 15:49 | |
| I think we'll have something in between | 15:50 | ||
| pmurias | ruoso: i changed the "At first it will be C code" to "Firstly..." | 15:51 | |
| ruoso | I saw it... | ||
| pugs_svn | r19242 | ruoso++ | [yap6] some more details about stage 2 in README | ||
| pmurias | is the change correct? | ||
| ruoso | I'm not sure | 15:52 | |
| I just spitted the text... without much worry :) any fix is welcome | |||
| ruoso lunch & | 15:53 | ||
| pmurias | ruoso: i mean is it planed to be something other then C later on? | 15:54 | |
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| clkao | /win 8 | 15:57 | |
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| pugs_svn | r19243 | pmurias++ | [yap6] 2 more minor fixes | 15:59 | |
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| ruoso | pmurias, if it's not C, it will be a data structure that the interpreter can load... | 16:07 | |
| not another language | |||
| ruoso getting back to lunch & | |||
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| enigmus | Does pugs support enums? I've tried the examples found in S12 on current pugs but that doesn't seem to work... | 20:37 | |
| wolverian | that's a pretty safe bet it doesn't | 20:39 | |
| enigmus | Probably what the :todo<feature> means in t/oo/enums.t... Thanks. | 20:48 | |
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| Tene | pugs_svn: sub infix:<< <+> >> ($a, $b) { $a + $a + $b + $b } 5 <+> 10 | 21:35 | |
| pugs: sub infix:<< <+> >> ($a, $b) { $a + $a + $b + $b } 5 <+> 10 | |||
| exp_evalbot | RESULT[15] | ||
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| enigmus | I'm trying to install v6.pm with 'cpan v6', but I get the following error on 'make test' in v6-0.020/: | 23:52 | |
| Compilation failed in require at /home/user/.cpan/build/v6-0.020/blib/lib/v6.pm line 65. | |||
| It's actually the same error for a bunch of tests. | 23:53 | ||
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