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| alester | Trying to aggregate the stuff we already know, and point to what we don't www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/index....e_released | 03:56 | |
| lambdabot | Title: When will Perl 6 be released? / Perl 6, tinyurl.com/37k2wt | ||
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| pasteling | "avar" at 212.30.222.56 pasted "Progblem with Optimize::RuleConstantFold" (17 lines, 1K) at sial.org/pbot/29512 | 06:20 | |
| "avar" at 212.30.222.56 pasted "Progblem with Optimize::RuleConstantFold (emitted code)" (9 lines, 361B) at sial.org/pbot/29513 | |||
| avar-2 | perl script/kp6 --do MetaClass,Global,Emit::AstPerl -e "token opt_ws { ' ' | '' }" | perltidy <= better | 06:22 | |
| ah | 06:23 | ||
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| avar-2 | argh, nothing works | 07:44 | |
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| pmurias | avar: fixed ;) | 08:06 | |
| pugs_svn | r19294 | pmurias++ | [kp6] fixed bug reported today by avar++ with '' being wrongly handled by Optimize::RuleConstantFold | ||
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| pugs_svn | r19295 | avar++ | Don't fail when the pugs t directory isn't in ../../ | 08:12 | |
| pmurias | avar: if you want you could propably add RuleConstantFold to the default workflow | 08:20 | |
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| avar | I'm testing that | 08:26 | |
| pmurias | i don't think a -Olevel option is needed yet | 08:27 | |
| avar | the current stuff is running with mp6, can't it run on kp6? | 08:53 | |
| I'm wondering how much faster the kp6-kp6 parser is with the optimization but I'm not able to run it | 08:54 | ||
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| pmurias | avar: i haven't timed it but the kp6-kp6 parser seems much faster | 09:04 | |
| but the kp6-kp6 visitors are horribly slow | 09:05 | ||
| avar | how do you run it? | ||
| pmurias | script/kp6-kp6.pl | ||
| i have started work on an alterantive perl5 backend Emit::Perl5V6 | 09:06 | ||
| avar: to (re)compile kp6-kp6 you need to pass the KP6_TARGET='KP6-KP6' option to Makefile.pl | 09:07 | ||
| avar | $ perl -I compiled/perl5-kp6-kp6/lib script/kp6-kp6.pl | 09:12 | |
| KindaPerl6/Runtime/Perl6/Pair.pm did not return a true value at compiled/perl5-kp6-kp6/lib/KindaPerl6/Runtime/Perl5/Runtime.pm line 13. | |||
| pmurias | avar: did you recompile kp6? | 09:13 | |
| KP6_TARGET should be 'KP6-BOOT' | 09:14 | ||
| s/pass (.*) option/pass $1 the enviornment variable/ | 09:15 | ||
| pasteling | "avar" at 208.78.101.240 pasted "boot failure" (211 lines, 19.7K) at sial.org/pbot/29515 | ||
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| pmurias | the Makefile's broken it treats a perl5 file as perl6 one | 09:17 | |
| want to fix it? | 09:20 | ||
| avar | nope:) | ||
| pmurias | kp6-kp6 parser is a bit broken so you won't have much use for kp6-kp6 | 09:21 | |
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| pmurias | avar: kp6 parses my declarations wrongly | 09:34 | |
| pugs_svn | r19296 | pmurias++ | [kp6-kp6] fixed the Makefile,updated the image | ||
| pmurias | * kp6-kp6 | ||
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| aaron_TeeJay | bah | 09:53 | |
| naturally pugs requires a newer version of haskell than the one I downloaded and compiled for 48 hours last time I tried pugs | 09:54 | ||
| Tene | What version did you use last time? | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | 6.6 | ||
| now I need 6.6.1 | |||
| anybody have recent svn pugs and want to let me know if examples/hanoi works (without // and/or argv) ? | 09:55 | ||
| update www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/index....r_of_hanoi if you do | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Tower of Hanoi / Perl 6 | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | thanks | ||
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| Tene | aaron_TeeJay: works for me | 09:56 | |
| aaron_TeeJay | which svn revision? | ||
| and with // and argv ? | |||
| can you benchmark it too?# | |||
| Tene | looks like I have 18224 on that box, but I'm not certain I've recompiled with that version | 09:57 | |
| Tell me what to run to produce the benchmarking info you want. | |||
| aaron_TeeJay | ext/Benchmark/lib/Benchmark.pm | 10:00 | |
| 1000 iterations of 6 discs? | 10:01 | ||
| which svn revision do you have installed? | |||
| Tene | 18224 | 10:02 | |
| aaron_TeeJay: how do you want me to run those 1000 iterations? modify hanoi.pl or run the existing hanoi.pl 1000 times, with full startup costs, or what? | 10:03 | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | modify | ||
| no point benchmarking startup costs | 10:04 | ||
| thanks | |||
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| Tene | aaron_TeeJay: with or without the 'say' output to stdout? | 10:05 | |
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| aaron_TeeJay | skip say | 10:06 | |
| ideally, print to a file instead | 10:07 | ||
| but that's something else to worry about | |||
| can always improve later | |||
| thanks | 10:08 | ||
| 1 down, 50 odd to go | |||
| Tene | Running on pugs... | ||
| parrot completed it in: | |||
| real 0m3.577s | 10:09 | ||
| user 0m3.119s | |||
| sys 0m0.452s | |||
| aaron_TeeJay | parrot? | ||
| Tene | Waiting on pugs. | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | what svn for parrot? | ||
| Tene | Current. | ||
| pasteling | "Tene" at 166.70.38.237 pasted "hanoi-bench" (13 lines, 200B) at sial.org/pbot/29516 | 10:10 | |
| aaron_TeeJay | pugs still going | 10:11 | |
| Tene | Yep. | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | ouch | 10:12 | |
| Tene | I'll kill it and re-do it, printing the iteration each time. | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | try 100 instead | ||
| or even 10 | 10:13 | ||
| Tene | pugs: | ||
| real 0m22.611s | |||
| user 0m22.384s | |||
| sys 0m0.101s | |||
| parrot: | |||
| real 0m0.841s | |||
| user 0m0.694s | |||
| sys 0m0.141s | |||
| aaron_TeeJay | how many iterations for pugs? | ||
| Tene | 100, both with a 'say' for the iteration number. | 10:14 | |
| aaron_TeeJay | right | ||
| Tene | also on completely different boxes | ||
| So not an actual usable comparison | |||
| I had haskell issues compiling pugs on my laptop that I didn't track down. | 10:15 | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | thanks | ||
| :) | |||
| Tene | No problem. | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | at least it gives ballpark figures | ||
| Tene | Yeah. | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | what kind of machine for pugs vs parrot ? | 10:16 | |
| Tene | pugs: 1ghz, 640M ram | 10:17 | |
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[***  Unexpected "ghz" expecting "_", fraction, exponent, term postfix or operator at /tmp/iPdrXKywJB line 1, column 2] | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | oops :) | ||
| Tene | parrot: 1.6ghz, 2G ram | ||
| pugs: [~] <m oo se> | |||
| exp_evalbot | RESULT["moose"] | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | so the h/w performance wouldn't alone be the cause of the difference of that scale then :) | ||
| Tene | Right. | 10:18 | |
| Oh, right, I'll update parrot on that box and run it there. | |||
| aaron_TeeJay | neat | ||
| can you update www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/index....r_of_hanoi when you're done | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Tower of Hanoi / Perl 6 | ||
| Tene has been up a bit too long. | |||
| aaron_TeeJay | don't worry about it then | ||
| :) | |||
| aaron_TeeJay ought to do some Work | |||
| i.e. stuff that pays mortgage | 10:19 | ||
| Tene | What do you want me to add? | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | don't worry about it | ||
| :) | |||
| have benchmarks, machines, code - I think that page is "done" | |||
| people can always add newer benchmarks, etc | |||
| I'll look at doing hilbert curve next weekend | 10:20 | ||
| Tene | Oh, you added stuff. I should try reading. ;) | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | :) | ||
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| Tene | Can you point me to a hilbert impl? | 10:21 | |
| aaron_TeeJay | linked from hilbert page iirc ;) | ||
| but not done in perl6 yet | |||
| Tene | Ahh. | 10:22 | |
| aaron_TeeJay | it's implemented in every language :) | ||
| except perl 6 and possibly some obscure assembly | |||
| it's another interesting recursion problem | |||
| but you can add layers of efficiency/complexity | 10:23 | ||
| very much a "solve on paper first" one | |||
| right - work | |||
| laters all | |||
| Tene | Or a "steal from the p5 impl" one | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | thanks for help | ||
| I wrote the p5 impl :) | 10:24 | ||
| Tene | What is it you do for work, btw? | ||
| seeya. | |||
| aaron_TeeJay | fuck-off-big online classifieds | ||
| so that even on a sunday morning the site is still being used by dozens of users | |||
| Tene | Nice. | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | which is annoying for maintainence | ||
| but lots of interesting problems in scaling and high availability | 10:25 | ||
| Tene | Rather. | ||
| aaron_TeeJay | yes - that's why I took the job | 10:26 | |
| that and working from home | |||
| :) | |||
| aaron_TeeJay puts 30 mins "research" on timesheet | |||
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| Tene | aaron_TeeJay: parrot, 100 revs, same box as pugs: | 10:41 | |
| real 0m2.007s | |||
| user 0m1.939s | |||
| sys 0m0.045s | |||
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| ruoso | hmm.. some irc log is lost... | 17:50 | |
| too bad | 17:51 | ||
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| zev | I'm looking to do some work on perl6. I've spent some time looking through the existing code, and want to start on some small tasks. I don't see anything in the perl6 hiveminder group. Does anyone know of anything smallish that needs working on right now? | 20:14 | |
| [particle] | perl 6 in general, or perl6 the parrot app? | 20:15 | |
| zev | perl6 the parrot app | ||
| (or things in parrot or pct that need doing for perl6) | 20:16 | ||
| [particle] | hop on over to irc.perl.org#parrot, you're more likely to get answers there. but in general, we need help reorganizing the tests in pugs to align with the synopses | ||
| zev | ok. I'll ask over there | 20:19 | |
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| pugs_svn | r19297 | zev++ | * added myself to AUTHORS (commit bit test) | 22:02 | |
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| [particle] | pugs: say :8<10> | 22:15 | |
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[8] | ||
| [particle] | pugs: say :2<10> | ||
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[2] | ||
| avar | zev: welcome!:) | 22:18 | |
| zev | thanks | 22:30 | |
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| cognominal_ | test | 23:25 | |
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| acmoore | OK 1 | 23:29 | |
| markstos | Is pugs still alive? pugs.blogs.com/ is fairly silent on it, and steam seems to be picking up with the parrot backend. | 23:32 | |
| lambdabot | Title: Pugs | ||
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| [particle] | markstos: pugs is all but abandoned, as nobody's made any pugs commits in a long time | 23:35 | |
| markstos | Is the Haskell backend not consided viable, then? I heard Audrey become ill for a while, and that was a factor. | 23:36 | |
| I was just starting to learn some Haskell. :) | 23:37 | ||
| [particle] | it's viable, as far as i know. just lost steam when audrey got Real Life | 23:38 | |
| it's been waiting on a new object model, and nobody's taken up the work of merging audrey's unfinished branch with trunk | |||
| (by branch i mean svk depot somewhere) | 23:39 | ||
| markstos | Ah, sounds like sort of an important and complex blocker, then. | ||
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| markstos | [particle]: thanks for the update. Maybe I'll poke at some pugs some once my Haskell gets off the ground. | 23:40 | |
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| cognominal_ | Bonne année. Happy new year | 23:43 | |
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