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cosimo To anyone on these frequencies. Is it correct to mark todos as `#?pugs:' rather than `#?perl6:' ? 00:00
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[particle] yes, but pugs doesn't understand it yet 00:01
TimToady sure, if it's an old todo
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TimToady pugs will be taught 00:01
with our fantastic new preprocessor
cosimo yes, I mean old ones that were already in the tests.
TimToady go ahead and change them
[particle] pugs is old & busted. <the implementation yet to be named> is the new hotness.
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japhb_ TimToady: to bad we can't just pipe it through Tom anymore .... 00:02
TimToady it's a shell game
we should call our preprocessor "fudge" 00:03
japhb_ mightily resists the urge to go back into free-association mode on codenames for the preprocessor 00:04
TimToady you write it, you can name it. :)
cosimo I should assume that things like: "#?pugs: todo($reason,1)" are not going to work. Correct?
[particle] cosimo: can you expand on what you mean by "not going to work"? 00:05
japhb_ TimToady: I've already got my hands full with one Perl 6/Parrot project ... I can only shave so many yaks at once. :-)
TimToady they'll jus tlook like comments to Perl currently
to pugs that is 00:06
and the test will fail anyway...
cosimo Look here svn.pugscode.org/pugs/t/spec/S29-str/split.t
There's `:todo<$todo>' 00:07
Does this make sense with the new directives
?
[particle] yes, it makes sense. the term following the directive is executed at runtime 00:08
so $todo will work
cosimo I see. thanks!
TimToady it's using it as a boolean to mark the test as todo
at runtime 00:09
which we can perhaps continue to support
cosimo isn't `$todo' the reason for marking test as todo?
TimToady except then it's not platform independent
default is 0, which presumably doesn't mark it todo 00:10
cosimo seem to recall that :todo worked the other way around... 00:11
like :todo(n_of_tests, reason)
probably...
TimToady the old flag just applied to the current is() or ok(), so no count needed 00:12
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TimToady if #?pugs: todo sets a $*TODO counter, the sub probably needs to pay attention to that instead of having a $todo parameter 00:12
cosimo I'm confused now... 00:13
Idea: drop the $todo flag in the sub, and put the #?pugs: todo() directive on the line before the call to `split_test' 00:15
even if $todo = 0
which makes me think it was a fast and easy way to make that test todo or not
TimToady indeed, it's called only once, so just assume someone will put #?foo: todo in front of the call 00:16
if they need to mark it todo
or, in worst case, put a bare block around the call 00:17
so just drop the $todo parameter, yes
cosimo ok
pugs_svn r19489 | cosimo++ | Removed the $todo flag (was disabled anyway). If needed, we will add a '#?perl6: todo' marker 00:20
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pugs_svn r19490 | ruoso++ | [smop] SMOP__LOWLEVEL__OP__Free as an operator available to the high-level, as there can be a node referencing this call in the stack, in the CPS object destruction... 00:30
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pugs_svn r19491 | ruoso++ | [smop] changing the Perl 6 code snippet for the CPS object destruction to use the constants instead of bare identifiers 00:31
r19492 | ruoso++ | [smop] updating the Perl 6 snippet in the test... Everytime I start thinking about writing the lowlevel test I realise that something is missing. Lets hope this is the last time I realise it... 00:34
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ruoso weird is that for the lowlevel I need the highlevel and for the highlevel I need the lowlevel... bootstrap is a confusing thing... (I hope I do find my way out...) 00:39
if anyone jumps in and help writing the test code for the lowlevel :P 00:40
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pugs_svn r19493 | ruoso++ | [smop] some more comments in the 01_smop_lowlevel.c test 00:49
ruoso sleep &
Auzon Good night ;) 00:50
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meppl good night 00:57
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spinclad [hold for uplogging:] re ___STACK___: could this become C< $MY::STACK >, along with C< $CALLER::STACK >, C< $OUTER::STACK > (perhaps) and such? The MY:: and CALLER:: ones at least could be tools in CPS conversion, if i hit my guess. 04:16
s/[hold .*:]// # oops 04:17
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diakopter TimToady: 'is the just the' in Functions.pod 04:55
TimToady it's in pugs repo, so you can fix it. :) 05:05
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sachu Hi. I would like to start contributing to Pugs. I was looking around for bugs to try fixing. The list I could find, following the "All open tickets" link at dev.pugscode.org/wiki/ , is very small (27 entries) and looks like mostly like housekeeping issues. I would like something more "code-like" to work on -- part of the idea is that I will learn better Haskell and Perl in the effort... 07:53
lambdabot Title: Pugs - Trac
sachu ...to track down and fix the bug. Am I looking in the wrong place, or are there no hard-core bugs in Pugs? (I already have a committer Id). If the former, could you point me to the current bugs list?
moritz_ sachu: the bug list is the list of failing test cases 07:54
allbery_b pugs is kinda not being actively developed; it's somewhere in the middle of a massive overhaul audreyt was doingbefore she fell sick (adding the Meta-Object Protocol) 07:55
moritz_ sachu: run "make smoke" and then look at smoke.html
sachu moritz_,allbery_b: thanks. Does this mean that there is not much to be done right now in pugs? 07:56
allbery_b not in pugs per se. much of the actual development these days is in kp6 (also in the pugs tree), mostly in the lisp backend IIRC
moritz_ sachu: it means that you are free to do whatever you want with pugs 07:57
;-)
sachu (wondering what to do now!) thank you for the help. would you happen to know an opensource project that is being actively developed and uses Haskell? 08:00
allbery_b check the haskell.org wiki 08:01
off the top of my head, darcs
sachu thanks 08:02
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sachu allbery_b: what happened to audreyt? is she ok now? 08:07
moritz_ sachu: she has to live a life with much stress, which implies less to no pugs hacking
allbery_b she got hepatitis. she's recovered from that mostly but doctors have told her to live a low-stress lifestyle for a while to make sure it doesn't recur
sachu ok 08:10
allbery_b (before she got ill, it was like she never slept or rested...)
body can take only so much of that kind of abuse, then the reserves are gone and the $#!+ hits the fan, and you're never the same 08:11
happened to me just over 10 years ago, since then haven't had anything like the energy or resilience I originally had 08:12
sachu (and nobody has taken over that mantle yet?)
allbery_b (I got "walking bronchitis" instead of hepatitis: try to treat it, it'd switch lungs or be replaced by flu for a while)
too much of it was in audrey's head, I think
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sachu hmmm... 08:12
allbery_b or possibly on her laptop and now stuck there 08:13
in any case, some of the early decisions in pugs came back to haunt it (perl6 allows a wider range of identifier names than the parser in pugs can accept without a massive from-the-ground-up rewrite, for example) 08:14
so, while it was a useful starting point, it's probably not worth putting too much effort into unless you want to use what's there as an example but start from scratch 08:15
(pugs' big advantage was that haskell has awesome support for writing language interpreters/compilers, so it was relatively quick to make a working perl6 prototype. but being quick, not everything was thought through fully, like the parsing) 08:17
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allbery_b and it did what it set out to do: by implementing a working perl6 prototype it kickstarted perl6 work which had gotten bogged down and was going nowhere 08:22
allbery_b is multitasking, sorry 08:23
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mmorrow hey, i just darcs got the pugs repo, and noticed that the last recorded patch is from may 2007. 09:29
so the darcs repo isn't up to date, then?
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allbery_b may 2007? sounds like you hit the old one 09:30
mmorrow yeah
where's the newbie
?
i got from darcs.pugscode.org/ 09:31
lambdabot Title: Index of /
allbery_b oh. it's not in darcs, it's in svn
mmorrow ahh
thanks
allbery_b svn.pugscode.org/pugs 09:32
lambdabot Title: Revision 19493: /
allbery_b (darcs doesn't handle large numbers of patches well. darcs2 is supposed to fix that but they're still working bugs and perofrmance issues out of it and it didn't exist at all when the darcs pugs repo was getting really slow) 09:34
mmorrow ha. i first got without the --partial flag...15000+ patches
allbery_b yep 09:35
gets painful when it goes to reconcile them all :)
mmorrow sounds like fun to me!
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meppuru good night 19:09
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pugs_svn r19494 | cosimo++ | Converted quotemeta.t to unix format (?) 21:08
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moritz_ @tell cosimo the line endings of quotemeta.t looked fine before, and if they were wrong additional carriage returns shouldn't damage the markup like that 21:10
lambdabot Consider it noted.
pugs_svn r19495 | cosimo++ | Converted some *.t scripts to unix format (?) 21:12
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wknight-away is there an svn for perl 6? I just checked out the parrot trunk and perl 6 isn't in there 21:37
moritz_ wknight-away: it's in languages/perl6/
wknight-away i just checked out and there is no /languages subfolder 21:38
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moritz_ which repo URL are you using? 21:38
svn.perl.org/parrot/trunk/languages/perl6/ 21:39
lambdabot Title: Revision 24891: /trunk/languages/perl6
wknight8111 svn.perl.org/parrot/trunk <-- what I used
lambdabot Title: Revision 24891: /trunk
moritz_ that's what I use, and there's a languages/ folder in there 21:40
wknight8111 Okay, i see it when i browse. I'll try to update or something. Thanks 21:41
moritz_ I mean I use the same as you do
yw
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_ccc for zip(@bar; @foo) -> $b, $f {...} doesn't work as advertised on runpugs - is this just a bug, or a change in zip or for 22:53
moritz_ I think a bug in pugs
pugs: for <a b c> Z <1 2 3> -> $a, $b {say $a, ": ", $b }
exp_evalbot OUTPUT[a1: b2ā¤c3: ā¤] 22:54
moritz_ pugs: for <a 1 b 2 c 3> -> $a, $b {say $a, ": ", $b }
exp_evalbot OUTPUT[a: 1ā¤b: 2ā¤c: 3ā¤]
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moritz_ so it seems infix:<Z> doesn't work as expected either 22:54
_ccc not flattening 22:55
moritz_ pugs: <a b> Z <1 2>
exp_evalbot RESULT[(("a", "1"), ("b", "2"))]
moritz_ aye
_ccc pugs: eager(<a b> Z <c d>)
exp_evalbot OUTPUT[*** ā¤ Unexpected "Z"ā¤ expecting operator, ":" or ")"ā¤ at /tmp/kQT77uftyy line 1, column 13ā¤]
moritz_ _ccc: I think the "slice" context changes where introduced after audreyt got thick
pugs: my $a = lazy { say "foo"; }; say "bar"; 22:56
exp_evalbot OUTPUT[barā¤]
moritz_ so lazy works, eager doesn't
ironic, isn't it? ;-)
_ccc true
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pugs_svn r19496 | cosimo++ | Test suite refactoring. 23:22
r19496 | cosimo++ | unspecced/chop.t tests were already moved to t/spec/S29-str/chop.t.
r19497 | cosimo++ | Test suite refactoring. 23:29
r19497 | cosimo++ | Moved all array-related tests under S29 (t/spec/S29-array).
r19497 | cosimo++ | Changed 1 todo test with the new compiler directive.
r19497 | cosimo++ | --Questa linea, e quelle sotto di essa, saranno ignorate--
r19497 | cosimo++ |
r19497 | cosimo++ | D t/builtins/arrays/shift.t
r19497 | cosimo++ | D t/builtins/arrays/pop.t
r19497 | cosimo++ | D t/builtins/arrays/push.t
r19497 | cosimo++ | D t/builtins/arrays/splice.t
r19497 | cosimo++ | D t/builtins/arrays/unshift.t
r19497 | cosimo++ | A t/spec/S29-array
r19497 | cosimo++ | A t/spec/S29-array/shift.t
r19497 | cosimo++ | A t/spec/S29-array/pop.t
r19497 | cosimo++ | A t/spec/S29-array/push.t
r19497 | cosimo++ | A t/spec/S29-array/splice.t
r19497 | cosimo++ | A t/spec/S29-array/unshift.t
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pugs_svn r19498 | cosimo++ | [t] Refactored delete() tests into S29-array and S29-hash 23:43
r19499 | cosimo++ | [t] Refactored `exists' builtin tests into S29-array and S29-hash 23:52
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