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FireMinion is there any testing frameworks like Test::Simple or Test::More build for perl6 yet? 00:10
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TimToady sure 00:15
see svn.pugscode.org/pugs/t 00:16
lambdabot Title: pugs - Revision 22745: /t
FireMinion excellent , Thanks TimToady 00:17
TimToady and we'll probably be building the basic testing calls right into Perl 6 eventually 00:18
FireMinion That be good 00:19
Planning to start writing some modules in perl6 and want some basic testing at least 00:20
TimToady the proposal is to have a testing adverb that can turn any built-in comparison operator into a test
but we already have 18,000 tests or so for you to look at
FireMinion Should be enough of a reference for me 00:22
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wayland76 I have some code where $fullimplementationname contains the name of a class, and I have a line that says... 00:25
self.implementation = macro { quasi { {{{ $fullimplementationname }}}->new(|$params); } };
But naturally that doesn't work in Rakudo yet
Is there another way to instantiate the class without macros?
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ruoso wayland76, well... at first I should correct ->new to .new ;) 00:26
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ruoso wayland76, but I'm having a hard time understanding what you're trying to do 00:28
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wayland76 Ok, I have a class (?) that we could call "Tree::Axis". It wants to delegate everything to another class, but which other class depends on the options passed to the .new() method of Tree::Axis 00:34
So Tree::Axis.new() constructs the string $fullimplementationname, and then tries to create an instance of that class 00:35
ruoso I'd guess ::($fullimplementationname).new() 00:37
ruoso sleep &
wayland76 I'm still getting "Statement not terminated properly" 00:38
But maybe it's a bug :)
Have a good sleep :)
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FireMinion bah who needs sleep...... 00:39
TimToady "Statement not terminated properly" is what rakudo says when it can't think of anything better to say, which is usually :) 00:40
it just means, "there was a syntax error somewhere near here" 00:41
STD will generally give you a more informative error message, assuming it's actually in error
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wayland76 TimToady: Thanks, I've gotten it often enough to figure that :) 00:42
It tends to do that when you keep writing code with macros in it :)
FireMinion maybe it's not ready for it yet wayland76 00:43
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wayland76 FireMinion: That's right; macros are the last thing on the Rakudo ROADMAP 00:43
pugs_svn r22746 | lwall++ | [STD] fix parameter parsing problem noted by moritz++ 00:44
TimToady was the last thing on the pugs map too
wayland76 which is why none of my code works, except the code that's running into problems with loops and recursion :)
TimToady as far as I know, STD is the only thing that even parses macors 00:45
*macros
wayland76 (and that doesn't work either :) )
...and humans :)
FireMinion I am still trying to get a good enough grasp of the concepts in the new syntax
wayland76 (Humans can even parse "Macros the Black" )
TimToady btw, the latest change found an error in the test suite 00:46
wayland76 FireMinion: Oh, me too :).
TimToady Can't put required parameter after optional parameters at ../../t/blocks/currying.t line 47:
------> sub __hyper ($op?, Array @a, Array @b) {
wayland76 great :)
FireMinion thanks TimToady
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FireMinion I got another error right now in the Test.pm module which I'm trying to figure out 00:47
wayland76 TimToady++ :)
pugs_svn r22747 | lwall++ | [currying.t] move misplaced optional parameter to end (only used by name anyway) 00:49
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wayland76 Btw, I just saw the message on p6l about Assigning and passing $/ 01:00
And I noticed that the following code prints "Str" 01:01
rakudo: if ("f" ~~ m/f/) { my $m = $/; say $m.WHAT() }
p6eval rakudo 31963: OUTPUT[Str␤]
TimToady you mean p6c?
wayland76 Sorry, p6u 01:02
[email@hidden.address]
I'm only on p6u and p6l, so I've missed any other messages that might be going around :)
I was running into this while trying to figure out a way around the looping/recursion bug :) 01:03
But now I'll just wait for the looping/recursion bug to be fixed instead :)
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pugs_svn r22748 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] no more podchecker warnings 07:43
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wayland76 If we ever make a POD viewer, in which you can /see/ the doco, we should call it seedpod :) 08:39
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moritz_ good morning 09:08
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moritz_ is a class of type "Class"? 09:10
pugs_svn r22749 | moritz++ | [t] some cleanups, moved oo/attributes/class.t to spec, and cleaned up. 09:20
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pugs_svn r22750 | moritz++ | [t] move oo/class/literal.t to spec/ 09:24
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pugs_svn r22751 | moritz++ | [t] some cleanup in instance.t 09:30
moritz_ @tell azawawi many of the links in the synpsis are broken, because they contain a superfluous t/ in the path (for example in S12) 09:32
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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moritz_ perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-6/syntax-h...ghter.html 10:25
lambdabot Title: blog | Perlgeek.de Blog :: A Syntax Highlighter for Perl 6
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azawawi hi lambdabot ;-) 10:40
lambdabot azawawi: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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ruoso moritz_++ # very informative blog posts.... 10:54
azawawi hi ruoso 11:03
moritz_++ # thx 11:04
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ruoso hi azawawi 11:21
jauaor wonders which blog post 11:22
ruoso jauaor, the one posted here just before you join ;) 11:23
perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-6/syntax-h...ghter.html
lambdabot Title: blog | Perlgeek.de Blog :: A Syntax Highlighter for Perl 6
jauaor :-D
Thanks!
ruoso misses a construct like a recurse map... 11:26
@foo = recurse-map { .isa } { .variants } $object 11:27
lambdabot Maybe you meant: faq ft todo yow
ruoso somethign like that
pugs_svn r22752 | ruoso++ | [smop] implementation of Class.can($methodname, $capture?) and Class.dispatch... 11:42
ruoso for people wanting to write Perl 6 code, there's an important task now, which is to write all the built-in types in Perl 6... it's starting in pugs/v6/smop/src-s1p/ 11:47
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ruoso azawawi, do you think you could put a STD-syntax-highlight for the files (the ones that parse, of course) in v6/smop/src-s1p ? 11:48
I mean... put it into a public place...
azawawi ruoso: yeah why not
azawawi checking it
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moritz_ ruoso: if it's important, write about and. And also about how to test what you write. 11:54
lambdabot moritz_: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
moritz_ azawawi: I think html for t/spec/ is enough, since nearly all of t/* will be moved there anyway 11:55
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ruoso moritz_, well, the first test is that it should parse 12:01
but it's mostly abstract at the moment... 12:02
because there are circular dependencies that will only be solved as all the types are declared
the idea is declaring all the types, 12:03
pmurias it's more spec task then an implementation one atm
ruoso yes... indeed.. 12:04
but at the same time, a lot of actual implementation needs to be made 12:07
like how method dispatch work
(which is defined in Class.pm)
how Object.new works...
(which is defined in Object.pm and Class.pm) 12:08
pmurias ruoso: the last check in can seems strange 12:23
ruoso my last check in?
pmurias if (! .^!methods.{$name}.multi) { 12:24
it might be correct that an only methods hides all more derived multi ones 12:27
but how to overwrite a multi with a multi in such a scheme is not clear to me 12:30
ruoso I don't think you can 12:40
unless you use the same signature
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azawawi ruoso: feather.perl6.nl/~azawawi/html_smop/src-s1p/ 12:43
lambdabot Title: Index of /~azawawi/html_smop/src-s1p
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pugs_svn r22753 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] Added smop_highlight which highlights *.pm 12:46
r22753 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] code in v6/smop/src-s1p
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ruoso azawawi, interesting that it doesn't highlight much 12:49
azawawi ruoso: errors, see the output i sent earlier 12:50
ruoso: pod comments are not yet supported via standard STD.pm 12:52
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azawawi ruoso: List.pm fails in STD parsing. is that right? 12:54
ruoso yeah yeahj 12:55
azawawi, I thought it would find the =begin and =end
azawawi i think we should discuss it with pmurias 12:57
i can hack it with a special type _comment if you want but i wanted it to be more standard... 12:58
ruoso but what it has that it's not standard? 12:59
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azawawi i meant by that not getting that information from STD.pm 13:00
ruoso what I don't get is what is the difference from the pods in the tests
?
azawawi ah comp_unit 13:01
ruoso, can u give me a specific example? 13:02
ruoso why isn't it blue? 13:03
moritz_ ruoso: STD.pm matches POD and comments as (implicit) <.ws> that doesn't appear in the parse tree. Thus the HTML output shows it as part of the rule in which it was matched
azawawi looking at feather.perl6.nl/~azawawi/html_smop...ss.pm.html
lambdabot Title: ./STD_syntax_highlight ../../v6/smop/src-s1p/Class.pm
moritz_ ruoso: the syntax hilighter uses an evil hack: it colors statement_list blue, and everything below in different colors, because most comments appear at that level
ruoso: if there's a comment at a different level in the parse tree, it won't show up in blue 13:04
ruoso oh... I got it 13:05
but I'm missing some colors...
is everything colored right?
moritz_ only the tokens for which colors are defined 13:06
btw it's "True", not "true" 13:07
azawawi the problem is in block; it is black... you make it blue and everything works 13:08
moritz_ but it will also make the curlies blue, no? 13:09
azawawi unfortunately yeah... 13:10
either we use a modified STD.pm and risk not getting the latest fixes; or we try to hack it in STD_syntax_highlight 13:11
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pmurias azawawi: with a minor change to gimme5 we could make it treat <.foo> as <foo> 13:11
azawawi: we can use a modified gimme5 13:12
moritz_ I think that TimToady would welcome a --keepall option to gimme5
pmurias which would have a $KEEPALL variable to skip bind everything
i have to do math now but i'll hack it in later if TimToady has nothing against such an option 13:13
azawawi great
pmurias: i managed to hack it work with --simple but most <span> were not closed (i.e. bad html) 13:14
azawawi is thinking what to order for lunch? ;-) 13:15
pmurias azawawi: you mean --simple generates bad html? 13:22
moritz_ it seems that --simple is actually more complicated ;) 13:24
azawawi pmurias: my version generates bad html but works
moritz_: --simple is complicated ;-)
azawawi wonders if sleep deprevation and hunger can be a reason why --simple is complicated ;-) 13:25
moritz_ recommends a good meal and sleep to ponder over that question ;) 13:26
pugs_svn r22754 | pmurias++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] --simple closes spans properly 13:27
pmurias was suferring from an abused sleep schedule yesterday when he wrote that bugish code
ruoso isn't there a way to detect "unparsed" code in STD match tree?
azawawi tests --simple over foo.pl 13:28
moritz_ ruoso: no. Problem is, some tokens match text correctly without capturing
pmurias ruoso: and pod and comments and whitespace are bundled together
ruoso hmm... ok... it's seen as whitespace 13:29
and whitespaces are not captured
moritz_ what one could do is try to hook a reduction action into ws that stores the offset and matched branch, or something
but I guess that :keepall is the better alternative 13:30
pmurias yes
azawawi pmurias: one thing why --simple is a bit complicated is that CSS actually helps you with parent/child coloring
ruoso but anyway... wasn't the code in Object.pm for instance supposed to have more colors?
pmurias azawawi: does it spit out incorrect output?
azawawi nop
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pmurias it's more complicated as it tries to be smarter 13:31
math for real&
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ruoso ok... I know what the problem is... 13:32
I'm too much used to emacs coloring scheme
which is considerably richer than vi's
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ruoso for instance, it highlights some known keywords 13:33
like 'my', 'for', 'sub'
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ruoso and it also highlights arrays and hashes differently 13:33
and the scalar has a different color when it's declared 13:34
like 'my $foo'
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azawawi going out for a meal... cya later 13:39
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TimToady moritz_: no, there's not a Class type in official p6. a class is represented by a protoobject of the same type as the object 15:12
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ruoso in SMOP, Class is a meta-type 15:13
TimToady if you call in Class people will get confused 15:14
*it
ruoso I was calling it P6Meta first,
then I renamed to Class... 15:15
TimToady why?
ruoso because it's what define how classes work
it is what govern the "class" keyword
TimToady maybe it's ClassHow or some such
ruoso MetaClass 15:16
? 15:17
TimToady then people will think it defines how Class works, and there isn't one :)
Howclass maybe 15:19
though that's not quite right either
more like Declclass
but this is all under pre-caffiene disclaimer 15:20
could maybe go for Dclass, Drole, Dmodule, etc' 15:22
s/'/./
re KEEPALL 15:23
ruoso which abstraction is abstracter than Class?
TimToady I still think you guys want a decorated _ array
what is a Class?
ruoso hmm... ok... I think the greater confusion is mixing prototype-based and class-based oo 15:24
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ruoso Perl 6 uses the Class-based lingo, but it's quite prototype-based 15:24
TimToady it uses class-based lingo, not Class-based :) 15:25
ruoso heh
TimToady are you asking about the type of .HOW objects? 15:26
ruoso right... the HOW for classes will be Class 15:27
(as SMOP currently names)
TimToady and that is what is not a classical class, which is why I'm objecting
diakopter Classness
TimToady that would work, if we'd stuck with my earlier suggest of howness :) 15:28
Knowclass maybe 15:29
diakopter Classiness
Classence 15:30
TimToady Classic
fullermd Declasse
ruoso the problem is that the class keyword does not describe a class, but a protoobject...
TimToady é
diakopter Classete 15:31
Classeme
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TimToady Classhalfempty 15:32
Halfclassed
diakopter Outclassed? :P
TimToady Declassified
diakopter ProtoClass ? 15:34
TimToady I still think if it's returned by HOW it should be something with "how" in it 15:35
ruoso maybe ClassHow is not a bad idea 15:36
since it's a knowhow
heh
TimToady it very much says "I am the *implementation* of class, not *a* class" 15:37
diakopter CowBrownNow.HOW
TimToady Cow<Brown>.HOW :now
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ruoso knowhow ClassHOW {...} 15:38
TimToady even better HuffMAN coding, more remote from normal
azawawi @tell lambdabot hi
lambdabot Nice try ;)
ruoso and that makes me realize that the API for HOW should be a little bit different 15:39
something like...
TimToady @tell time
lambdabot Consider it noted.
ruoso register($keyword, $name, *%attributes)
diakopter @tell it noted.
lambdabot Consider it noted.
ruoso where $keyword would be 'method', 'attribute', 'submethod' 15:40
and $name would be the name of the thing
and *%attributes would contain the signature, traits, and the code...
ruoso thinking in Catalyst::Controller having its own HOW
which defines 'action's instead of 'method's 15:41
ruoso lunch &
diakopter @messages
lambdabot You don't have any new messages.
diakopter @tell diakopter .
lambdabot You can tell yourself!
diakopter I know; that's what I was doing. 15:42
TimToady @till diakopter
lambdabot Consider it noted.
diakopter @pointy [''] 15:45
lambdabot Improperly terminated character constant at "'']" (column 2)
diakopter @src larry 15:46
lambdabot Source not found. That's something I cannot allow to happen.
diakopter @src TimToady
lambdabot Source not found. Your mind just hasn't been the same since the electro-shock, has it?
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TimToady I wonder if I should install a rule in STD that carps if someone tries to use the word "Class"... 15:49
"Perl 6 has no Class at line 42"
Limbic_Region why TimToady - because you have not Class and neither should anyone else?
:P
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Limbic_Region you beat me to the punch 15:49
TimToady actually, tomorrow I probably have two classes...
since I just got a call from Sharon, who can't teach her class 15:50
diakopter oh, not 2 sections of the same class.
lambdabot diakopter: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
diakopter @messages
lambdabot TimToady said 8m 30s ago:
Limbic_Region hasn't taught in years
diakopter @tell pugs plumbit 15:51
lambdabot Consider it noted.
diakopter pugs: ''
p6eval pugs: OUTPUT[/home/evalenv/pugs/pugs: error while loading shared libraries: libsmop.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory␤]
diakopter @tell p6eval erm
lambdabot Consider it noted.
diakopter pugs: ' 15:52
p6eval pugs: OUTPUT[/home/evalenv/pugs/pugs: error while loading shared libraries: libsmop.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory␤]
lambdabot p6eval: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
diakopter @girl19 15:53
lambdabot I have been into not actually hacking, but social engineering
ruoso TimToady, anyway... did you think how new keywords like 'class' and 'knowhow' are going to be defined in Perl 6? Considering, for instance, the Catalyst controller which have actions... how would that be defined? 15:58
controller Foo { action bar is Path('/') { ... } } 15:59
actually it would be more like 16:01
controller Foo { action bar does Path('/') { ... } }
TimToady macro package_declarator:<controller> 16:03
or just derive a grammar 16:04
ruoso right... that's on the parsing part
how to give meaning to that? 16:05
TimToady a macro can turn that into anything else. and a grammar can have random actions. beyond that, I don't really care 16:06
ruoso ok... I thought there would be something *after* the parse that would have the chance to add meaning.... 16:07
but that's probably very compiler-specific
TimToady something has to be left for the programmer to do :)
and one of my assets/liabilities as a language designer is that I'm not actually much into meta-ness 16:08
ruoso maybe the compiler should leave some hooks to let the user overwrite the meaning of some AST nodes 16:09
that will probably be easier after the compiler bootstraps 16:11
pugs_svn r22755 | ruoso++ | [smop] mv Class.pm ClassHOW.pm, as suggested by TimToady++ 16:16
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pugs_svn r22756 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] finally implemented the complicated --simple ;-) 19:14
r22756 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] results are not optimal but it generates correct html.
azawawi @tell pmurias --simple is done see r22756 19:20
lambdabot Consider it noted.
azawawi @seen particle 19:30
lambdabot I haven't seen particle.
azawawi @seen [particle]
lambdabot I saw [particle] leaving #perl6 1h 29m 13s ago, and .
azawawi @tell [particle] size results between --simple and full mode are feather.perl6.nl/~azawawi/simple_test/
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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pmurias azawawi: pong 19:33
lambdabot pmurias: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
azawawi pmurias: it turned out we need to push rules to pop them out ;-)
pmurias: simple ;-) 19:34
ruoso std: class Foo { multi submethod FOO (Int $a) {...}} 19:43
p6eval std 22756: OUTPUT[parsed␤]
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pmurias ruoso: overwriting a multi method completly is important 19:46
ruoso pmurias, maybe if you declare the subclass method as only
pmurias, I think proto also does it... 19:47
pmurias it could
pugs_svn r22757 | ruoso++ | [smop] submethod takes precedence over traversing the method hierarchy 19:48
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azawawi pmurias: fyi, --simple generates 20%-30% of full html file so far even though it is not optimal 19:49
ruoso pmurias, what I'm not sure is if a superclass declare a method as multi, does the subclass sees the default as multi also? 19:50
or it only composes the multi variants if you explicitly says "multi method"
pmurias not sure, it seems a language design issue 19:51
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ruoso std: class Foo { multi method bar (Int $a) {say 1} }; class Bar { method bar (Str $b) { say 2 } }; Bar.bar(2); 19:51
p6eval std 22757: OUTPUT[parsed␤] 19:52
ruoso is Bar.bar a multi method or not?
that seems like a question for TimToady... ;P
pugs_svn r22758 | rhr++ | [t/spec] add S06-signature/unpack-array.t 19:54
r22758 | rhr++ | STD doesn't seem to like this
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ruoso pmurias, but you think the current ClassHOW.dispatch is sane?? 19:56
pugs_svn r22759 | ruoso++ | [smop-s1p] missed renaming the knowhow declaration\ 20:07
ruoso I'm assuming a method is only a multi if explicitly declared that way... I'm not considering magically finding out if a superclass defines a method as multi to automatically turn this method into a multi also 20:09
this is somewhat different from how multi subs work, but multi sub is about the lexical scope, not arbitrary relationships with potentially many many other objects
pugs_svn r22760 | ruoso++ | [smop-s1p] making Object.pm more real-like 20:14
r22761 | ruoso++ | [smop-s1p] BUILDALL receives |@protoobjects and |%initialize 20:19
ruoso I really think Object.pm is in the shape it was supposed to be
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pugs_svn r22762 | ruoso++ | [smop-s1p] $repr //= "p6opaque" in Object.CREATE 20:24
ruoso it's cool that Object.pm doesn't use the REPR API 20:25
only the HOW API... and that keeps the REPR API completely contained in the HOW implementation 20:26
which make REPR API only relevant as a standard if we consider sharing the implementation of metaclasses
(which I, honestly, think is a very interesting thing to do)
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pugs_svn r22763 | ruoso++ | [smop-s1p] .^!does should not be traversed when finding methods or attributes... it is responsability of the composition process to install the methods and attributes in the composed prototype 20:31
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pugs_svn r22764 | ruoso++ | [smop-s1p] missed to fix ^attributes on last commit 20:33
moritz_ TimToady: uhm, S02 mentions Class in the list of mutable types 20:36
pmurias ruoso: i think standardization of the REPR API shouldn't be hard as people don't generally care much about it
it = the REPR API
pugs_svn r22765 | ruoso++ | [smop-s1p] protoobjects sent to BUILDALL, including WHENCE, are evaluated as closures when its WHAT === the prototype in which BUILD will be called 20:40
ruoso pmurias, I'm not too much worried about it myself...
pmurias, but I do think it would be cool if we could share metaclass implementations among different runtimes of Perl 6 20:41
specially because I see that as a really cool way of doing interesting things... 20:42
i.e. Catalyst::Controller in Perl 6 would be a metaclass, not a superclass
eternaleye This is odd
pugs: say hi
p6eval pugs: OUTPUT[/home/evalenv/pugs/pugs: error while loading shared libraries: libsmop.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory␤]
ruoso eternaleye, pmurias accidentally didn't make smop dependency off by default 20:43
eternaleye Oh, okay
ruoso you should be able to solve it by running make in v6/smop
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pmurias ruoso: smop dependency is off by default 20:44
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pmurias the pugs in the evalbot is built to use a static library and smop is now a shared one 20:45
ruoso ahm... ok... so a simple rebuild would solve
pmurias no
it needs the LD_LIBRARY_PATH set 20:46
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pmurias it discovered that libsmop is a shared one during the regular rebuild 20:46
pugs_svn r22766 | ruoso++ | [smop-s1p] WHENCE is evaluated before BUILDALL and sent as named arguments... the test of matching the type of the protoobject would not work with it, because it is simply a closure
moritz_ evalbot control restart 20:48
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pugs_svn r22767 | moritz++ | [evalbot] set LD_LIBRARY_PATH 20:48
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moritz_ pugs: say 1 20:48
p6eval pugs: OUTPUT[1␤]
pugs_svn r22768 | ruoso++ | [smop-s1p] the protoobjects also need to have the whence called .() not the protoobject itself 20:49
pmurias ruoso: re dispatch multis actually choose the most specific type
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pmurias ruoso: a strange error broke mildew 21:18
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ruoso later 21:48
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pugs_svn r22769 | rhr++ | [STD] allow anonymous unpacked arrays in sigs per S06:1330 22:53
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