pugscode.org/ | nopaste: sial.org/pbot/perl6 | pugs: [~] <m oo se> (or rakudo:, kp6:, elf: etc.) (or perl6: for all) | irclog: irc.pugscode.org/
Set by Tene on 29 July 2008.
ruoso er... good question... bad habits die hard 00:00
masak :)
ruoso but is it ok to just do $foo.bar = $baz; ? 00:01
or do I need to do $baz,
since it's a list
masak rakudo: my @a = (1,2,3); my $b = @a; say $b.perl 00:02
p6eval rakudo 31963: OUTPUT[[1, 2, 3]␤]
masak ruoso: should be ok.
ruoso hmm...
rakudo: class Foo { has @.bar }; my $f = Foo.new(); $f.bar = 3; 00:03
p6eval rakudo 31963: RESULT[[3]]
ruoso rakudo: class Foo { has @.bar }; my $f = Foo.new(); $f.bar = (); say $f.bar 00:04
p6eval rakudo 31963: OUTPUT[␤]
masak rakudo: class Foo { has @.bar }; my $f = Foo.new(); $f.bar = (); say $f.bar.perl
p6eval rakudo 31963: OUTPUT[[]␤]
pugs_svn r22791 | ruoso++ | [smop-s1p] removing unnecessary parenthesis, as pointed by masak++ 00:05
ruoso but the semantics of that method is the thing that I'm still unsure 00:06
does 'bless' means redefining isa and how?
what happens if you re-bless an object?
masak is the Perl 5 semantics applicable here? 00:07
ruoso not really... 00:08
masak why not?
ruoso because there's the possibility of methods being defined in that specific object
masak ah, yes
offhand, I'd say that bless redefines isa and how, yes 00:09
seems saner.
ruoso and removes all the methods and attributes defined in the current object?
masak aye, I think so. don't want to leave stuff around needlessly. 00:10
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pugs_svn r22792 | ruoso++ | [smop-s1p] blessing an object must initialize attributes, methods and submethods also... 00:16
meppl good nightich hab so viel gesoffen, dass ich ned so ganz fit war 00:25
masak it's nice to get a bit of non-English once in a while... 00:26
pugs_svn r22793 | ruoso++ | [smop-s1p] calls .^!instanceof in the protoobject to detect when to eval the closure and pass the parameters to BUILD
meppl ( i failed at just writing "good night" into the amsg) 00:28
spx2 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen_Sandiego
haha
lambdabot Title: Carmen Sandiego - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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azawawi good morning 04:56
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azawawi @tell moritz_ stdout/stderr is now displayed in the simple/full html files when it fails (see S02*/unicode.t) 05:08
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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pugs_svn r22794 | ruoso++ | [smop] Starting SMOP p5 library (I always forget how much I hate XS) 11:55
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pugs_svn r22795 | ruoso++ | [smop-XS] support for NATIVE int 12:12
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pugs_svn r22796 | ruoso++ | [smop-XS] when p5 releases a smop object, an interpreter loop is called... 12:25
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pugs_svn r22797 | ruoso++ | [smop-XS] support constant identifiers... 12:44
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pugs_svn r22798 | ruoso++ | [smop-XS] SMOP::S1P->Foo returns the prototype for each of the SMOP__S1P__* types... 14:04
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pugs_svn r22799 | ruoso++ | [smop-XS] one step from running mold code directly from p5 15:24
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pugs_svn r22800 | ruoso++ | [smop-XS] it now runs mold code... but the code seems to be wrong... or something like that 15:31
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pugs_svn r22801 | ruoso++ | [smop-XS] YAY! we can run Mold from p5 15:39
ruoso @tell pmurias you can now run code straight from mildew :P you just need to 'use SMOP' :P 15:40
lambdabot Consider it noted.
ruoso see v6/smop/SMOP/t/run-mold.t 15:41
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ruoso I know just need to make the memory management of p5 and SMOP to get together correctly... 15:46
anyone more experienced with XS could help, just by reviewing v6/smop/SMOP/SMOP.xs
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ruoso later & 15:47
pugs_svn r22802 | ruoso++ | [smop-XS] er... it was not actually that hard... fixed! 15:50
r22803 | ruoso++ | [smop-XS] a submold can be created inlined in the list of constants... 15:51
r22804 | ruoso++ | [smop-XS] makes the av_len weirdness less awkward... better to return av_len + 1 instead of doing +2 in the malloc... 15:54
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azawawi @tell lambdabot nice lambdabot 16:37
lambdabot Nice try ;)
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azawawi ping 17:00
ping pong
nobody online? 17:03
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moritz_ they all died unexpectedly. 17:33
lambdabot moritz_: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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ruoso looking forward to see mildew running mold directly :) 17:36
PerlJam next thing you know the fungi are running the show! 17:37
moritz_ doesn't like mushrooms 17:40
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pugs_svn r22805 | lwall++ | [STD] allow subsigs either following or in place of the parameter variable 18:13
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azawawi hi moritz_ 18:14
moritz_ hi azawawi
pasteling "azawawi" at 212.38.136.158 pasted "sample STD_syntax_highlight profile" (19 lines, 1.1K) at sial.org/pbot/32920 18:16
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azawawi moritz_: any idea on how to optimize DumpMatch.traverse_match ? 18:24
azawawi is thinking of optimizing it using Inline::C 18:29
moritz_ does it really spend more time in DumpMatch than in STD.pm? 18:30
azawawi yup
please see the link i sent earlier
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moritz_ I see it, but I don't believe it ;) 18:31
azawawi it makes sense... try teststd
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TimToady is traverse_match trying to reconstruct the original order of tokens? 18:34
moritz_ I think so, yes
TimToady well, I will say it again, the right way to do this is by annotating the _ array
azawawi and it is recursive...
well, what does that mean? ;-) 18:36
TimToady it means I need to patch Cursor.pmc, I suppose... 18:37
azawawi hears voices whispering "Write it in C" ;-) 18:39
moritz_ know tries to parse STD.pm with itself and Devel::NYTProf
TimToady you will get very different results depending on whether the lexer cache exists already 18:41
if it doesn't exists, you'll spend a lot of time in canmatch() 18:42
moritz_ so I have to run it twice ;) 18:43
TimToady anyway, I assure you it works :) 18:44
moritz_ what, profiling? 18:45
TimToady NYTProf
on STD
moritz_ well, I get some warnings on report generation
TimToady on STD parsing STD, specifically
you may want the option that doesn't combine anonynous things 18:46
moritz_ I suspect it's because I'm not using the first perl in $PATH
"No file line range data for sub 'Moose::Meta::TypeConstraint::Role::meta'
"
stuff like that
TimToady those are all evals
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TimToady so it's kinda natural there's no file... 18:46
moritz_ ok
TimToady the other problem is some degree of confusion between pm and pmc, esp when they're different languages 18:47
moritz_ did you tell tim about it? 18:48
I guess it's something you can easily forget ;)
azawawi moritz_: can plz cpan Devel::NYTProf on feather1?
TimToady yes, but there's not really a way to fix it when p5 lies to itself about whether it's using .pmc or .pm
you can make a symlink for Cursor.pm to Cursor.pmc 18:49
but you can't do that for STD.pm to STD.pmc without clobbering STD.pm
ruoso I think that's the point where using an old hack meant to something else comes back to haunt you...
TimToady anyway, if you want to temporarily make STD.pm a symlink to STD.pmc, you can just save STD.pm off to the side, or plan to restore from svn 18:51
but I found I'm usually more interested in what Cursor.pmc is doing
moritz_ azawawi: I built the .deb package for Devel::NYTProf, but since there's another apt/dpkg job running I can't install it atm 18:52
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TimToady most of the work in STD is very distributed, so low-hanging fruit is in Cursor.pmc, or in telling gimme5 how not to call Cursor.pmc unnecessarily 18:53
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moritz_ ah, it's me. Stupid me... ;) 18:54
azawawi hmmm
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moritz_ it will take a few minutes for the old upgrade to finish, then I can install it 18:54
azawawi is thinking about Inline::Perl6 ;-) 18:55
pugs_svn r22806 | ruoso++ | [smop-XS] hmpf... small off-by-one bug...
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pugs_svn r22807 | ruoso++ | [mildew] dotty->postop->postcircumfix implemented 19:15
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pugs_svn r22808 | ruoso++ | [mildew] added a test for "if", which emits empty at the moment 19:19
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pugs_svn r22809 | ruoso++ | [mildew] add XXX in some places that were simply dropping the declaration in the floor 20:18
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mncharity hi all. 20:56
lambdabot mncharity: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
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mncharity @tell TimToady re prefix:sym<i> workaround and anonymous packages, I'm unclear on the actual problem, but if it's simply the gensym'ed name length, why not simply use different names (counter or random-large-integer)? Though I'm no doubt missing the point. 21:03
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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mncharity anyone around to mention highlights of the last two weeks? 21:03
hey! rakudo.org/ is up to Oct 22. yay. 21:04
lambdabot Title: Rakudo.org:
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mncharity www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/index...._changelog 21:09
lambdabot Title: SMOP / Perl 6
moritz_ mncharity: perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-6/ the first two posts might be interesting for you 21:10
mncharity considers extending /topic to link to status pages...
lambdabot Title: blog | Perlgeek.de Blog :: Category Perl-6
mncharity hi moritz_! looking...
moritz_ not exactly the last two weeks, though
azawawi moritz_: i think the highlighter links are broken on the blog post 21:12
moritz_: i changed these recently
moritz_ "cool URLs don't change" 21:13
azawawi moritz_: this link is the only one broken: feather.perl6.nl/~azawawi/html/S12-...ymous.html
azawawi is learning perlguts + Inline::C atm 21:14
moritz_ azawawi: so what should it link to?
azawawi s{_anonymous.html}{anonymous.t.html} 21:15
or feather.perl6.nl/~azawawi/html/S12-...ous.t.html ;-)
lambdabot Title: ../../t/spec/S12-class/anonymous.t
mncharity moritz_: nifty. :) add to planetsix.perl.org/ ? 21:16
lambdabot Title: Planet Perl Six
azawawi we have also added to the synopsis's smartlinks: feather.perl6.nl/syn/S02.html 21:17
lambdabot Title: S02
azawawi s/added/added it/
moritz_ ... and now it takes 20s to display the synopsis :(
azawawi moritz_: why?
moritz_ azawawi: dunno. Javascript-stuff I guess. 21:18
azawawi is firing up firebug ;-)
mncharity firebug++
re highlighting, there's also svn.pugscode.org/pugs/misc/elfish/showcode/
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lambdabot Title: pugs - Revision 22809: /misc/elfish/showcode 21:18
mncharity in the category of one-evening (I think) hacks. 21:19
azawawi mncharity: interesting... looking at it.
moritz_ azawawi: (blog) ok, links fixed in svn, will be corrected on next updatey
azawawi moritz_: btw, no js is being executed on startup and it is only +1 js function 21:20
moritz_ azawawi: weird. 21:21
mncharity I just now clicked on feather.perl6.nl/syn/S02.html with minimal delay. fyi.
lambdabot Title: S02
azawawi moritz_: but i use ff3 + chrome
moritz_ maybe it's a local f*ckup here
(iceweasel 2.0)--
mncharity ff3 for me as well.
moritz_ it's high time for Debian Lenny, with FF 3 21:22
azawawi moritz_: that's ancient ;-)
moritz_ azawawi: yes.
on my various homepages I regularly see IE 5.0 users. Now *that's* scary 21:23
azawawi moritz_: so far chrome's tab->process design is way too cool; they nice them to limit lockup problems... + it has a task manager to kill flash ;-)
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mncharity azawawi: re showcode, main motivation was to show elf IR analysis information. for "ahh ha! you thought there was to write access to that container, and thus are optimizing it away, when in fact *case you forgot* means you can't!" flavor debugging. 21:25
moritz_ azawawi: I care too much about privacy to use it right now. When it's packaged by a third party, works (natively) on linux, and free of privacy issues... I might give it a try
mncharity let me know if it doesn't run ;)
never actually got to the display IR analysis part. only parse and IR trees.
azawawi is imagining how DumpMatch.traverse_match will look in Inline::C ;-)
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mncharity notes tcc (tiny cc) has finally addressed it's "we're still running on cvs, thus hurting community" issue. So Inline::C which doesn't touch disk becomes more interesting. 21:28
search.cpan.org/~hamano/C-TCC-0.03/lib/C/TCC.pm 21:29
lambdabot Title: C::TCC - An interface to the TCC(Tiny C Compiler) - search.cpan.org
azawawi mncharity: tcc.. interesting 21:30
mncharity as long as you preload any headers, you can compile and link C without touching disk. 21:31
poorman's jit
x86 only. :/
azawawi ... which is everywhere these days 21:32
mncharity I thought there was an Inline::TCC or an Inline::C::TCC, but I'm not seeing it. hmm.
azawawi im seeing a comment in use.perl about it: use.perl.org/~jdavidb/journal/21543 21:33
lambdabot Title: Journal of jdavidb (1361)
mncharity hmm, looks like arm's been added. 21:34
re comment, yes. curious. crossed it off my todo list with a "someone else got to it first". :) now... puzzled.
sigh. suggestion for a channel operator: 21:38
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mncharity /topic The topic for #perl6 is: pugscode.org/ | nopaste: sial.org/pbot/perl6 | pugs: [~] <m oo se> (or rakudo:, kp6:, elf: etc.) (or perl6: for all) | irclog: irc.pugscode.org/ | status: rakudo.org/ tinyurl.com/56sm5r (smop) 21:39
boom. something I said?
good night fellow partition dwellers. :) & 21:40
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pugs_svn r22810 | lwall++ | [reds] print out all the reductions in event order 21:54
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TimToady @tell azawawi I believe the "reds" program I just checked in prints out all the reductions you're interested in; sorting by initial/final positions gives you the span of each reduction, including all the ones that are thrown away in the final tree 22:01
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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mmorrow \bot 23:30
@bot
lambdabot :)
mmorrow heh
p6eval: help 23:31
p6eval mmorrow: Usage: <(smop|pugs|nqp|mildew|std|rakudo|elf|kp6): $perl6_program>
mmorrow sweet
p6eval: pugs: 42
p6eval mmorrow: pugs: RESULT[42]
mmorrow p6eval: elf: 42
p6eval mmorrow: elf 22810: RESULT[42␤]
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TimToady perl6: 42 23:43
lambdabot TimToady: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
p6eval pugs, rakudo 31963: RESULT[42]
..elf 22810: RESULT[42␤]
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