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Set by diakopter on 6 September 2010.
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lue cpan6.org: "CPAN6 is not even usable on the moment (as is Perl6)." I would define the last part of that statement of very wrong. Do you agree? 00:10
sorear lue: cpan6.org hasn't actually been updated since 2004 00:13
flussence that site's very vague, handwavey, and it uses a table for layout. boo, hiss. 00:14
lue it has a presentation on it from 2008 though (or links to one)
S22 is horribly outdated as well. 00:15
sorear just pretend cpan6.org doesn't exist 00:17
i'm sure the person who reg'd it meant well, but he's incurably out of touch with reality
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sorear cute. gmcs emits a warning on var = var; 00:18
lue S22 seems to be the only thing that details the module system at first glance. I'm probably missing a couple other synopses though. 00:19
arnsholt Well, there's S11 as well =) 00:23
lue that's more "how to create a module" though. :) 00:26
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dalek ecza/cilbackend: 16e4fad | sorear++ | / (2 files):
Add rest of signature-blob handling
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ecza/cilbackend: 19648dc | sorear++ | lib/CLRBackend.cs:
More misc fixes
ecza/cilbackend: 6e155a9 | sorear++ | lib/CLRBackend.cs:
Fix code generation for HOW
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lue I'm starting to want to change how the module system works. Is S22 the only thing that details it? 00:39
mberends lue: see also S11 00:43
lue I get what :auth and :ver are for, but what is :name for? 00:56
sorear use Short:name<Long>;
lue so it's just an extra identifier? [ That's what I'm getting ] 01:02
sorear aye 01:03
also useful when the "real" identifier isn't a valid Perl 6 identifier 01:04
notice that :name<> is a quoting form
so you could say use Short:from<java>:name<java.util.zip.ZipFile>;
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dalek ecza/cilbackend: 78c264a | sorear++ | lib/CLRBackend.cs:
Fix unverifiable code generation from gather
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dalek ecza/cilbackend: ae2b965 | sorear++ | lib/CLRBackend.cs:
Fix Method and Param LAD node construction
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ecza/cilbackend: a52a66c | sorear++ | / (2 files):
Update compiler driver to use new backend
ecza/cilbackend: 0307722 | sorear++ | Niecza.proj:
Support new backend in XBuild harness
ecza/cilbackend: 589fce1 | sorear++ | / (5 files):
Miscellaneous fixes to get STD/tryfile.exe working again
Some 'sorear' person just gave me a 28643 byte commit packet. They need to be more careful in the future. 03:26
sorear cilbackend is merged.
colomon !!!
what is it?
cil, I mean.
sorear Common Intermediate Language - the CLR's bytecode 03:27
niecza no longer depends on a C# compiler post-install
colomon sweet! 03:28
sorear it's also a great deal faster this way
colomon I've got to try and get it up and running again sometime soon.
sorear well it might be a little easier now. :)
the real break however will be when niecza stops depending on Perl 5
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takadonet1 hey all 03:29
sorear which I'm going to optimistically estimate as before the end of February
colomon sorear++
takadonet1 how do you return local time in perl6? 03:30
sorear the Perl 5 / C# boundary layer is a fragile mess
rakudo: now.^methods(:local).say
p6eval rakudo cae7f9:
..OUTPUT«newfrom-posixto-posixStrperlACCEPTSBridgeRealBoolIntRatNumComplexrealsisNaNabsexplnsqrtrootssignfloorceilingtruncateroundcisunpolarrandsinasincosacostanatansecaseccosecacoseccotanacotansinhasinhcoshacoshtanhatanhsechasechcosechacosechcotanhacotanhatan2Numericsuccpredloglog10to-radi…
sorear I said :local 03:31
sheesh
takadonet1 hehe
TimToady rakudo: say time.^methods(:local)
p6eval rakudo cae7f9:
..OUTPUT«perlpredsuccWHICHStrBridgeIntRatNumsignACCEPTSRealBoolComplexrealsisNaNabsexplnsqrtrootsfloorceilingtruncateroundcisunpolarrandsinasincosacostanatansecaseccosecacoseccotanacotansinhasinhcoshacoshtanhatanhsechasechcosechacosechcotanhacotanhatan2Numericloglog10to-radiansfrom-radians␤»
sorear rakudo: DateTime.new.^methods(:local).say
p6eval rakudo cae7f9:
..OUTPUT«newcheck-timenowcloneclone-without-validatingInstantposixoffsettruncated-towhole-secondin-timezoneutclocalDateStrperlis-leap-yeardays-in-monthdaycount-from-ymdymd-from-daycountget-daycountday-of-monthday-of-weekweekweek-yearweek-numberweekday-of-monthday-of-yearcheck-valuecheck-dat…
TimToady rakudo: say time.Str
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«1293161501␤»
takadonet1 rakudo: say now
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«Instant:2010-12-24T03:31:57.544364Z␤»
sorear rakudo: say DateTime.now.local 03:32
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«2010-12-24T03:32:04Z␤»
takadonet1 we have a winner!
TimToady rakudo: say DateTime.new(time)
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«2010-12-24T03:32:16Z␤»
TimToady rakudo: say DateTime.new
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: ( no output )
takadonet1 still hacking away on Text--Diff
colomon takadonet1++ 03:33
takadonet1 i love porting a module from cpan line by line till it works 100%. Then golf it down to about half the size
sub signature are sweet as hell
colomon :) 03:35
takadonet1 named parameters,optional, defaults, where clauses...
multi 03:36
any word when pmichaud is back in action? 03:44
colomon not that I've heard. 03:47
takadonet1 nuts 03:48
night all 04:17
TimToady o/
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dalek ecza: 9c6f9fa | sorear++ | docs/announce.v1:
Start drafting of v1 message
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diakopter sorear: restructions -> restrictions 04:47
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sorear thanks 04:49
diakopter: I'm wondering if I should do anything of a deployment slant 04:50
if, for instance, I provided a tarball with Kernel.dll and CLRBackend.exe, then users wouldn't need a C# compiler
although I suspect the real deployment problem is Perl, and that isn't so simple 04:51
diakopter if I understand you correctly, then I'd suggest focusing on compiler features
sorear such as? 04:52
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diakopter good question :) 04:55
first, is lhf.txt up-to-date?
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sorear wait, what do you mean? 04:58
diakopter I mean, since you last edited lhf.txt, have you implemented anything listed in it
sorear "I'd suggest focusing on compiler features" --> "sorear implements native types" ?
diakopter :) 04:59
sure, why not
tobar from where can I download the spec? (not the web version) I want to be able to do a regex search of the spec.
diakopter sorear: then definitely data parallelism & concurrency system 05:00
tobar: it can be checked out from github
tobar: github.com/perl6/specs
dalek ecza: 6c6c686 | sorear++ | docs/announce.v1:
Fix some announce typos
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ecza: 61e026e | sorear++ | docs/lhf.txt:
Bring lhf.txt up to date
tobar diakopter: thanks. i'll look there.
git clone git://github.com/perl6/specs 05:02
diakopter I dunno the exact syntax 05:03
sorear they've changed the output of mono --profile and it's not useful anymore...
diakopter it's not useful for anything? 05:07
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sorear I need to figure out how it's useful 05:09
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diakopter www.mono-project.com/Performance_Tips "Assisting the Garbage Collector" is interesting 05:14
I mean, I've done that before in previous sprixel/perlesque iterations... but I didn't know it was a recommended/suggested practice.
sorear yes 05:16
especially important if you're using the boehm GC
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sorear diakopter: if you want to know my plans for the next 1-2 months... it's basically all a programme to get &eval working 05:35
and since Perl 5 and the CLR don't get along well together, at all, that means incrementally rewriting the compiler in other languages 05:36
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notostraca2 quick question: are there any GUI toolkits/frameworks that work with Perl 6 at this point in time? 06:00
araujo doubt it
notostraca2 oh well
time to go to #falcon , another language with a ton of features that not enough people know 06:01
sorear there is a proof of concept app which displays "Hello, world" using Tk then crashes when you push the close butto
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sorear egh. 06:02
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dalek ecza: dba7c34 | sorear++ | lib/CLRBackend.cs:
Assorted small optimizations to the CLR bytecode emitter
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dalek ecza: 0f5c4a0 | sorear++ | lib/CLRBackend.cs:
Suppress runtime type checks for reference frame slot accesses
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sorear playing with the new mono heap profiler... it looks like > 2/3 of the residency while STD is parsing itself is Dictionary<K,V> 07:28
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diakopter sorear: cool :D 07:34
sorear: is that lexical scope implementation? or what?
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sorear diakopter: I think it's @*MEMOS[$pos]<ws> 07:56
since there are about 200k hashes and about 200k character positions in STD.pm6
"2/3 of the residency" means 120MB or so
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blackpirate rakudo: use v6;my $abc = prompt 'where are you from'; say "which continent is $abc in"; 08:24
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«where are you fromwhich continent is Land der Berge, Land am Strome, in␤»
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blackpirate hi everyone i wrote this script above.i got this output.where did 'Land der Berge, Land am Strome' come from in the output ? 08:26
tadzik blackpirate: it's from some country's national anthem, it's used as a standard input on the eval server 08:27
blackpirate ya its national anthem of austria i googled it. 08:28
what if i want a number as input instead of a string? 08:29
sorear my $age = +(prompt 'how old are you');
+ converts to numeric
blackpirate thanks 08:30
tadzik or (prompt 'how old are you').Num 08:37
or even prompt('how old are you').Num 08:38
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masak oh hai, #perl6! 10:57
tadzik oh hai masak 10:58
masak this zebra is in a Christmas mood. :)
moritz_ TimToady++ # advent post 10:59
Merry Christmas #perl6!
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dalek ecza: 254e286 | sorear++ | v6/tryfile:
A bit more inlining to remove all ws -> pos edges
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ecza: 191bfbf | sorear++ | lib/ (5 files):
Implement a custom specialized hybrid dictionary, saves 5%
sorear the wins from abandoning System.Collections are not as big as I had feared 11:20
hi masak.
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sorear currently running 32.1 11:21
still takes 190MB just to parse a 200k file 11:22
which is imho unacceptable
especially since I'll want to compile it too
now I know why Perl 5 goes to such pains to compact parse-tree nodes, when every other data structure is practically designed to waste memory... 11:23
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moritz_ do you discard Match objects once you have built the AST from them? 11:30
sorear: any niecza plans for 2011 which I could/should mention in my "perl 6 in 2010" blog post? 11:39
masak sorear: you seem to have backlogged already, but I just wanted to say that even being impressed by niecza from the start, during the past 24 hours I've gained a few more notches of respect for it. 11:49
sorear: I can easily seen niecza becoming my implementation-of-choice in the not-so-far future. 11:50
moritz_ masak: and remember to submit bug reports (and TODO tickets) for things that don't work yet :-) 11:51
masak moritz_: wouldn't miss it for the world :)
I do agree with ggoebel though; docking with the spectests seems to be the Next Big Milestone for niecza. 11:52
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masak darnit, why do you have to have so interesting discussions when I'm distracted by Christmas Eve? :) 11:59
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takadonet morning all 12:56
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takadonet wow.... no one alive 13:14
moritz_ is very dead 13:17
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moritz_ www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/bilder...sStructure merry christmas! 13:19
masak morning, takadonet. 13:21
moritz_ abstrusegoose.com/329 13:28
takadonet so how's our page views for advent calendar>
?>
moritz_ 1.4k yesterday, 0.8k today
no way 13:29
1.4k day before yesterday, 0.8k yesterday, 0.4k today
28.5k this month 13:30
takadonet better then last year?
moritz_ nope, last year was 45.9k
takadonet nuts
moritz_ which included slashdot and a twitter link by tim o'reilly
but I still think that this year was a great success 13:31
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takadonet well cannot wait to link your end of the year perl 6 post :) 13:32
masak TimToady: nice post. on a course enough granularity, that was exactly what I expected you to write. :)
moritz_ and the webmaster tools show that about 280 people have subscribed to the advent RSS feed via google's feed reader
masak in some subtle ways, this year was a greater success than last year, even. 13:33
moritz_ (which doesn't include those that follow via planetsix, which I think is an even larger number)
colomon was very interested to discover it actually is "troll the ancient yule-tide carol", even though you can find lovely "explanations" on the web of why the word should be "toll". 13:38
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moritz_ phenny: tell sorear that niecza build on debian requires libmono2.0-cil -- would be nice to have in the README.pod 14:00
phenny moritz_: I'll pass that on when sorear is around.
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masak colomon: for me, it gave a new depth to the trololololo song. :-P 14:11
sorear++ # cilbackend merged! o.O \o/ 14:13
takadonet cilbackend?
was it abranch?
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masak takadonet: yes, sorear is building niecza away from dotnet+perl5, and towards just dotnet. 14:23
takadonet masak: sweet 14:28
tadzik isn't that away from C#? 14:30
and the next big step is to move it away from perl5? 14:33
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tadzik 0427 sorear | niecza no longer depends on a C# compiler post-install 14:34
0428 sorear | the real break however will be when niecza stops depending on Perl 5
ah, I misread what you meant 14:35
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kthakore Happy Holidays!!! 16:10
vert2_ happy holidays to you too 16:12
sjn Merry christmas :) 16:13
happy yule-tide, really :) 16:14
nice advent calendar post today, btw
TimToady++
takadonet www.reddit.com/r/programming/commen..._6_advent/ upvote :) 16:15
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sjn never bothered to create a reddit account :-/ 16:23
takadonet TimToady: www.reddit.com/r/programming/commen...nt/c1a7m31
kthakore hugs everyone! :D 16:26
vert2_: :D 16:27
vert2_ kthakore: hi
colomon o/
kthakore \o
colomon: Epic Internet HIGH FIVE! 16:28
colomon o|
vert2_ \o/
2 handed.
kthakore I don't know what to do with that so you get a HUG!
*:HUG:*
rakudo: *:HUG:* 16:29
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused at line 22, near "*:HUG:*"␤»
kthakore hahaha
I confused the poor bot with feelings from a hug
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masak Merry Christmas, everyone. 16:58
also, today is the last day to sign up for strangelyconsistent.org/blog/masaks...ng-contest 16:59
takadonet masak: how many people signed up? 17:00
masak haven't checked my email today, but we were up to 12 last I looked.
er, s/we/they/ :)
takadonet www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/eqyz...g_contest/ 17:01
masak excellent. thanks. :) 17:03
I tweeted about it as well. 17:07
takadonet going to submit the tweet to reddit.... 17:08
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TimToady the reddit comment by FeepingCreature is ironic given that I was probably the first to use the term "feeping creaturism" on the net 17:39
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sjn heh 17:45
TimToady hug = troll⁻¹ 17:46
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TimToady maybe we need a troll⁻¹me bot 17:51
due to character set restrictions, we might have to name it the arctrollmebot 17:53
sbp call it xn--trollme-na81cta1fvu 17:54
though, there you might have the length restriction...
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sjn hug * troll = 1; # whut? 18:17
rindolf Hi all.
sjn o/ rindolf 18:18
rindolf sjn: what's up?
sjn christmas eve
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rindolf Maybe I'll convert my freshly written ABC Path solver to Perl 6. 18:19
Just for kicks.
sjn rindolf: sounds like a nice project for the holidays :)
although I have no idea what an ABC Path is, and why it's worth resolving 18:20
rindolf sjn: solving, not resolving. 18:21
sjn: www.brainbashers.com/abcpath.asp - that's ABC Path.
sjn aah 18:22
rindolf sjn: we don't have holidays here in .il now.
Only a weekend.
And today it's already Friday night.
sorear good * #perl6 18:24
phenny sorear: 14:00Z <moritz_> tell sorear that niecza build on debian requires libmono2.0-cil -- would be nice to have in the README.pod
rindolf So when will the December Rakudo Star release be out? 18:26
cxreg christmas? :) 18:28
we've already had 5 christmases this year, what are you complaining about 18:29
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rindolf cxreg: no, I just want to package it for Mandriva Cooker. 18:30
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dalek tpfwiki: (Herbert Breunung)++ | www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/index....lta_tablet 18:33
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sorear moritz_: this is just STD being tested, no AST is being built at all... which is why 190M troubles me so 18:37
moritz_: in 2010? bootstrapping, &eval, spectests are my medium-term plans 18:38
shortcircuit Ok, so 'say "hello, there, &title($person)"' will call the subroutine named 'title', and also process a variable named $person. 18:39
How might one escape specific symbols? Say I didn't want it to call &title, but still interpolate $person? 18:40
flussence \& I'm assuming
takadonet i have some passing tests!!!! 18:41
TimToady rakudo: my $person = "shortcircuit"; say "hello, there, \&title($person)";
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«hello, there, &title(shortcircuit)␤»
takadonet github.com/Takadonet/Text--Diff
shortcircuit TimToady: The implication is that the symbol &title doesn't exist in-scope, but if I wanted to avoid that biting me accidentally? 18:42
takadonet cya everyone!
shortcircuit (i.e. if the symbol were defined later)
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TimToady it wouldn't bite you unless you actually deref it with () 18:42
rakudo: say "hi &title" 18:43
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«hi &title␤»
TimToady only $ can interpolate without some kind of bracketing
this also solves the accidental @ and % interpolations
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shortcircuit Hm. Seems \ works if the routine is defined, as well as if it's not. 18:44
I like belt-and-suspenders, myself. :)
TimToady rakudo: my @array = <a b c>; say "hello @array"
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«hello @array␤»
TimToady rakudo: my @array = <a b c>; say "hello @array[]"
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«hello a b c␤»
TimToady so email address no longer accidentally interpolate arrays 18:45
*es
shortcircuit Hm.
TimToady \ has no knowledge of whether it's quoting something defined, it just quotes the next char 18:46
shortcircuit 'sometext' with the ~ operator handles the more general case.
rindolf TimToady: happy Christmas.
shortcircuit I couldn't find the string concatenation operator yesterday. Shoulda poked around on Rosetta Code. :)
TimToady rindolf: merry hanuka :)
rindolf TimToady: heh, it was over a few weeks ago.
TimToady: but thanks. 18:47
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TimToady shortcircuit: the general interpolator is just a closure in {...} 18:48
rakudo: my @array = <a b c>; say "hello {@array} there" 18:49
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«hello a b c there␤»
dalek tpfwiki: (Herbert Breunung)++ | www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/index....ble_tablet 18:50
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Axius How can I use p6eval to run code? 18:55
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sorear rakudo: my @array = <a b c>; say "hello {@array} there" 18:56
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«hello a b c there␤»
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sorear niecza: my @array = <a b c>; say "hello {@array} there" 18:56
p6eval niecza 406e042: OUTPUT«Can't locate JSON.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/p6eval/niecza/src /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/NAMBackend.pm
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sorear ops 18:56
phenny: tell moritz_ Would you install JSON::XS on niecza's p6eval perl? Thanks. 18:57
phenny sorear: I'll pass that on when moritz_ is around.
sorear pugs: my @array = <a b c>; say "hello {@array} there"
p6eval pugs: OUTPUT«hello a b c there␤»
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Axius rakudo: say 34 + 3; 18:58
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«37␤»
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Axius my $name = "axius"; say "Hello, $name there" 19:09
rakudo: my $name = "axius"; say "Hello, $name there" 19:10
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«Hello, axius there␤»
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TimToady hugme: hug Axius 19:13
ENOHUGBOT
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Axius rakudo: my $name = "Tim"; say "Hi to $name" 19:18
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«Hi to Tim␤»
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lue hello world o/ 19:22
colomon just realized his recipe calls for 9x13 pans, but all he's got is 8x11
sorear cm? in? 19:23
colomon in
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flussence or a matrix of pans? 19:26
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colomon It's a matrix of them now. I had to have an overflow pan 19:27
rakudo: say 10 * 2/3; say 5 * 2/3; say 4 * 2/3 19:29
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«6.66666666666667␤3.33333333333333␤2.66666666666667␤»
colomon (proportions for my next one....)
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newbie_ hi, I was asked to create a hangman game in my class, I was thinking of using perl6, but I am wondering if it has nice GUI module integrated with it (tk, wx, qt) ? that would make it look better than console/Dos based game.. any advice plz ^_^ 19:47
lue Sorry, there isn't any GUI module available for Perl 6 right now (at least as far as I'm aware) 19:48
newbie_ oh.. too bad :( 19:49
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cxreg i looked a bit at Gtk but it seemed worth waiting on gsoc_nci 19:56
which is apparently merged now, woot 19:58
dd070 newbie_: for now you can use perl5 with wx or gtk.
cxreg he's gone 19:59
dd070 newbie is gone
to perl5
lue That's I think the third time in two days someone's come to ask about a GUI. I think it's time for a GUI :) 20:00
sorear I think it's the same person, using proxies to troll us.
cxreg that might be a good way for ffi to stretch its legs
cxreg pulls
dd070 I can use wx but not developed wx. 20:01
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cxreg ah looks like zavolaj might need work first 20:06
plobsing cxreg: Gtk could be even more awesome with reprs working (nom). Seems there's always something to be waiting for. 20:08
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cxreg true dat 20:11
plobsing not that you should wait. A decent GUI is the last piece of the puzzle for some, it would seem. 20:13
cxreg i'm a bit confused 20:14
is gsoc_nci/libffi different from parrot-libjit-fb
plobsing yes, they are different, although they make use of the same mechanisms and provide the same thing 20:15
parrot-libjit-fb remains because (a) I suspect it is more efficient (b) It is a cleaner implementation in some ways (c) I'm too lazy to take it down 20:16
the (suspected) efficiency and clenliness are simply a property of the methods of operation of libjit vs libffi 20:17
cxreg ah ok 20:18
zavolaj specifically mentions wanting to support parrot-libjit-fb
colomon rakudo: my $a = * ~ *; say $a("hello ", "world);
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse postcircumfix:sym<( )>, couldn't find final ')' at line 22␤»
colomon rakudo: my &a = * ~ *; say &a("hello ", "world); 20:19
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse postcircumfix:sym<( )>, couldn't find final ')' at line 22␤»
colomon rakudo: my &a = * ~ *; say &a("hello ", "world");
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«hello world␤»
colomon rakudo: my &a = * ~ *.substr(2); say &a("hello ", "world");
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«hello rld␤»
cxreg though mberends added that comment back in may 20:20
before gsoc, presumably
plobsing cxreg: they provide the same API. All frame builders for parrot shall provide the same API. gsoc_nci tried to provide extensions and wound up not parsing correctly (a problem *every* frame builder has had at one point or another), so now noone gets to do that ever.
cxreg no one gets to do what? 20:21
plobsing gets to parse the signature string and provide extensions to the signature syntax
cxreg oh, by decree of someone in #parrot?
plobsing that would be me.
cxreg ah :)
plobsing I've seen the problem 4 times now. It is subtle and hard to debug, and I'm *not* going there again. 20:22
cxreg maybe if we had a full cpp? :)
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plobsing If only people would use such canned solutions more often. cpp isn't all that bad, I'm using it for 􏿽xE2􏿽x84􏿽xA6􏿽xCE􏿽xB7. 20:23
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dukeleto hola 20:27
how does one pronounce 􏿽xE2􏿽x84􏿽xA6􏿽xCE􏿽xB7 ? 20:28
plobsing ohm-eta (a pun on ometa)
dukeleto plobsing: nice :) 20:29
plobsing: i knew the letters but didn't understand the pun
sorear c preprocessor? 20:33
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lue rakudo: grammar A { regex TOP { <B>+ } proto regex B { <...> }; multi regex B:sym<C> { Cc }; multi regex B:sym<D> { Dd }; }; say A.parse("CcCcDd") 20:34
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse blockoid, couldn't find final '}' at line 22␤»
lue rakudo: grammar A { regex TOP { <B>+ }; proto regex B { <...> }; multi regex B:sym<C> { Cc }; multi regex B:sym<D> { Dd }; }; say A.parse("CcCcDd") 20:35
p6eval rakudo cae7f9: OUTPUT«CcCcDd␤»
plobsing sorear: yes. it has its uses. 20:36
sorear how does cpp relate to libffi? 20:37
plobsing not at all really
lue afk 20:46
gimix Hello, my web service is using perl 5.10 and it is designed as procedure style programming. I would like to ask you about OOP in Perl. I want to apply some design pattern but I have considered about performance. Does application get poor performance when OOP is applied? 20:47
tadzik not really. The paradigm doesn't affect performance directly 20:49
Also, this channel is about Perl 6 specifically
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tadzik the modules you may want to be using when writing OOPerl (Moose) may affect performance 20:50
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jameswhite When did it perl6 get released? 20:50
tadzik #define released
there are releases appearing montly 20:51
jameswhite Ah, ok.
tadzik assuming by perl6 you mean Perl 6 Compilers
gimix thanks all. what is different perl5.10 (Moose) with perl 6? OOP will be built in core of language? So when I upgrade to perl6 what things I should have consideration. 20:54
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gimix because my current system is working in stable but source code could not reusable. 20:55
sorear if your system is working there's no reason to upgrade. 20:57
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tadzik gimix: in Perl 6 you get OOP for free. But think twice before using Perl 6 in production code 21:02
gimix tadzik: yes, what's your thinking? 21:04
tadzik gimix: about what? 21:05
gimix tadzik: what does you mean? --> But think twice before using Perl 6 in production code.. 21:06
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sorear there are no implementations of Perl 6 that can compete with perl5 or CPython in aggregate performance 21:08
gimix sorear: you mean there are no different things except OOP is built in it? 21:10
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tadzik hell no 21:11
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tadzik Perl 6 is Very different, but that's not the issue. The issue is that implementations are not mature yet 21:12
gimix yes, thanks so much 21:16
tadzik you're welcome. You can help Perl 6 implementations to get mature, the easiest way to contribute is to write and use Perl 6 21:19
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gimix tadzik: sure, I am a fan of object oriented :) 21:21
shortcircuit developers.slashdot.org/story/10/12...-With-Perl 21:22
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dalek ecza: abd12f0 | sorear++ | v6/tryfile:
[v6] Use a dedicated array for line number memos
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sorear takes max rss down from 200mb to 170mb 22:03
still far from where I want it, but a clear improvement
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thejaanbaz Hello 22:07
sjohnson hi
thejaanbaz pretty slow looks like 22:09
tadzik hm? 22:10
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sjohnson lot of people think perl6 is like a singles bar for meeting new people 22:14
tadzik so it isn't? :( 22:15
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even hugme's gone
sjohnson heheh 22:17
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finanalyst hi. i just did a git pull on rakudo, ran Config.pl with --gen-parrot. Ran perl6 and got: Incompatible versions of `core_ops' oplib. Found 2.11.0 but loaded 2.10.1 22:24
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moritz_ flussence: rm -rf parrot_install 22:56
phenny moritz_: 18:57Z <sorear> tell moritz_ Would you install JSON::XS on niecza's p6eval perl? Thanks.
flussence wrong \t?
moritz_ flussence: sorry, meant finanalyst 22:58
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moritz_ phenny: tell finanalyst please try rm -rf parrot_install to get rid of the incomptaible core_ops versions 22:59
phenny moritz_: I'll pass that on when finanalyst is around.
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moritz_ sorear: should be installed now 23:00
3.7k hits on advent post, partly due to slashdot 23:02
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