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zoll i put up with hg not by choice. one thing i miss is gitk; hgk is barely usable in comparison. 00:00
timotimo but tortoisehg is very good
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zoll is tortoise* family not confined to MS Windows? i may^Wwill update CentOS to v7 to get updated support software for other, better hg GUI. 00:03
timotimo not tortoisehg 00:04
there's also sourcetree, i think that has both git and hg, or maybe only hg
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zoll ok. i will see into this further. thanks timotimo 00:07
timotimo good luck! 00:08
merced: i often struggle with not finding projects when i want to play with something new, like a new programming language
merced: what's your style? tools, gui, web, games, maths, art, ...?
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R0b0t1 timotimo: Admittedly I think the submodule command renamed some things nonsensically 00:14
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lookatme morning 00:22
merced timotimo: i like automation, raw data processing, fast-scrolling terminals, systems engineering, shit like that 00:28
PerlJam "fast-scrolling terminals"? heh 00:32
yoleaux 28 May 2017 09:33Z <Zoffix> PerlJam: IIRC it was you who lamented impossibility of Perl 5's `$.` for $*ARGFILES var in Perl 6. It's no longer impossible ($*ARGFILES is IO::CatHandle now): twitter.com/zoffix/status/868761719639871488
merced yeah slow scroll's so boring 00:33
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PerlJam wonders if yoleaux can be made smart enough to deliver messages to any nicks that a person might use whether or not that particular nick is addressed 00:36
timotimo merced: hm, i don't think that intersects with a lot of my style, so i don't have any good suggestions 00:39
PerlJam merced: why not contribute to an existing project? 00:41
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PerlJam merced: something I've thought of doing just because is implementing useful shell commands in Perl 6 00:42
kind of like Perl Power Tools, but only a subset of the unix utilities that I find interesting or useful 00:43
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coetry p6: my $to = 'all'; say "hello to $to :)"; 00:44
camelia hello to all :)
timotimo m: say "coetry".comb.pick(*) xx 5 00:45
camelia ((r y o c e t) (y c t e r o) (o r t e c y) (t o y c r e) (e y t r c o))
timotimo m: say "coetry".comb.pick(*).join xx 5
camelia (teroyc oecryt oyetrc ytceor retyco)
lookatme m: say "coetry".flip; 00:48
camelia yrteoc
zoll m: say split "coetry" 00:49
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Calling split(Str) will never work with declared signature ($pat, Cool $target, |c is raw)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say 7⏏5split "coetry"
zoll that's actually good error message 00:50
timotimo m: say (do for "coetry".comb -> $letter { ^0x10000 .pick(*).grep(*.uniname.contains($letter)).grep({ rand < 0.2 }).first }).join
camelia 243532015550141141414152863
timotimo m: say (do for "coetry".comb -> $letter { ^0x10000 .pick(*).grep(*.uniname.contains($letter)).grep({ rand < 0.2 }).map(*.chr).first }).join
camelia 爰䣂솜
timotimo m: say (do for "coetry".comb -> $letter { ^0x10000 .pick(*).grep(*.uniname.contains(" $letter ")).grep({ rand < 0.2 }).map(*.chr).first }).join
camelia Use of Nil in string context
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Use of Nil in string context
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Use of Nil in string context
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Use of Nil in string context
in block <unit> at <…
timotimo eh.
ah, of course, upper case everything in unicode 00:51
m: say (do for "coetry".uc.comb -> $letter { ^0x10000 .pick(*).grep(*.uniname.contains(" $letter ")).grep({ rand < 0.2 }).map(*.chr).first }).join
camelia ĊӪĖṱṚỲ
timotimo yeah boyyyyy that's what i'm talking about
PerlJam I did not think that would turn out so well
timotimo the unicode consortium has our backs
as well as our hacks 00:52
zoll what does "rand < 0.2" do?
timotimo rand gives you a random number between 0 and 1
actually, that's totally unnecessary
zoll no, besides the obvious
timotimo since i already randomize the sequence of numbers anyway
lookatme m: say rand for 1 .. 3;
camelia 0.808007052908069
0.675879308772485
0.975016660427953
PerlJam m: put [~] <c e r> Z~ <o t y> # KISS
camelia coetry
timotimo m: say [+] (rand xx 100).grep({ rand < 0.2 }) 00:53
camelia 10.5056290971469
timotimo m: say [+] (rand xx 100).grep({ rand < 0.3 })
camelia 7.37854687110917
timotimo er, not what i was aiming for
m: say [+] (1 xx 100).grep({ rand < 0.3 })
camelia 25
timotimo m: say [+] (1 xx 100).grep({ rand < 0.5 })
camelia 49
timotimo m: say [+] (1 xx 100).grep({ rand < 0.2 })
camelia 26
timotimo m: say [+] (1 xx 100).grep({ rand < 0.2 })
camelia 20
timotimo m: say [+] (1 xx 100).grep({ rand < 0.2 })
camelia 16
timotimo when you grep by { rand < 0.2 } you'll get about 20% of all items
m: say (do for "coetry".uc.comb -> $letter { ^0x10000 .pick(*).grep(*.uniname.contains(" $letter ")).map(*.chr).first }).join 00:54
camelia ꞓⱺỆƬṘỶ
timotimo anyway, it was useless anyway :)
zoll hmms ...
timotimo m: say (do for "coetry".uc.comb -> $letter { ^0x10000 .pick(*).grep(*.uniname.contains(" $letter ")).map(*.chr).first }).join
camelia ĊṏĕṰŗỷ
timotimo m: say (do for "coetry".uc.comb -> $letter { ^0x10000 .pick(*).grep((*.uniname ~ " ").contains(" $letter ")).map(*.chr).first }).join
camelia ꞒォﯦƮৃＹ
timotimo m: say (do for "coetry".uc.comb -> $letter { ^0x10000 .pick(*).grep((*.uniname ~ " ").contains(" $letter ")).map(*.chr).first }).join
camelia rakudo-moar 9658dd: OUTPUT: «ͨꥋᴈＴᷣỴ␤»
timotimo m: say (do for "coetry".uc.comb -> $letter { ^0x10000 .pick(*).grep((*.uniname ~ " ").contains(" $letter ")).map(*.chr).first }).join
camelia ᛍỎẹᵵr⅄
timotimo this variant also allows the letter to stand at the very end of the uniname
PerlJam those last two are more what I thought would happen :)
timotimo yeah, it's because those that have " A " in them are usually "LATIN LETTER A WITH WEIRD SQUIGGLES" 00:55
jeromelanteri morning, someone see the last comment for me ? (to deep in the history for me)
timotimo whereas with accepting the " A" at the end of the uniname as well you get things like "MARTIAN LETTER KINDA LIKE A"
184728* Zoffix │ jeromelanteri: debugger was fixed like a few days after 2017.06 release
merced PerlJam: interesting idea
jeromelanteri timotimo, ok, thank you 00:56
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timotimo R0b0t1: bad news: both dyncall and libffi use and actually rely on executable stack :\ 01:01
(based on a very cursory google search) 01:02
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lookatme Haha
timotimo m: say (do for "goodbye".uc.comb -> $letter { ^0x10000 .pick(*).grep(*.uniname.contains(" $letter ")).map(*.chr).first }).join 01:11
camelia ḡỘꭃḍɓŷê
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timotimo i'll go sleep now. have a good one! 01:12
R0b0t1 sighs
timotimo: Thanks for checking 01:13
timotimo github.com/Snaipe/dyncall/blob/mas...6_8a.s#L41 01:14
R0b0t1 So it doesn't really need it but changing it would be a contribution to dyncall 01:16
timotimo looks like 01:18
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jaldhar Given two lists of characters of equal length how do I get a count of characters which are the identical and in the same position in both lists? E.g. 'abcd' and 'adcb' should give 2. 02:38
It's easy enough to do with a loop but is there a faster/more concise way? I'm thinking something with reduction operators maybe? 02:39
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colomon m: say <a b c d> >>eq<< <a d c b> 02:51
camelia (True False True False)
colomon m: say (<a b c d> >>eq<< <a d c b>).map(*.Int) 02:52
camelia (1 0 1 0)
colomon m: say [+] (<a b c d> >>eq<< <a d c b>).map(*.Int)
camelia 2
colomon m: say [+] (<a b c d> >>eq<< <a d c d>).map(*.Int)
camelia 3
colomon dunno that that’s the best approach
zengargoyle m: say ('abcd'.comb Zeq 'adcb'.comb).grep(*.so, :k) 02:53
camelia (0 2)
yoleaux 27 Jul 2017 21:43Z <thundergnat> zengargoyle: The evolution one isn't one I wrote. I think that one was mostly grondilu and TimToady. Not too many people say my code is formatted too nicely so that was a big clue :-)
lookatme m: say <a b c d> Zeq <a d c b>
camelia (True False True False)
colomon m: say [+] (<a b c d> >>eq<< <a d c d>)
camelia 3
colomon m: say [+] (<a b c d> >>eq<< <a d c b>)
camelia 2
jaldhar colomon: cool and very interesting! Thanks. 02:54
colomon Zeq might be a better choice than >>eq<< … I’m afraid I don’t really know which is more efficient at the moment. 02:55
m: say [+] (<a b c d> Zeq <a d c b>)
camelia 2
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zengargoyle m: say ('abcd'.comb Zeq 'adcb'.comb).grep(*.so).elems 02:55
camelia 2
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jaldhar colomon: it seems both >>+<< and Zeq perform about equally in rakudo 2017.07 atleast for my arrays which aren't very large. 02:58
colomon jaldhar++ # testing performance is good 02:59
zengargoyle m: say [Zeq] ('abcd','adcb')>>.comb
camelia (True False True False)
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zengargoyle m: say ([~^] ('abcd','adcb')).comb>>.ord.grep(!*,:k) 03:05
camelia (0 2)
zengargoyle depending on data, string xor and counting 0's might work. :) 03:06
jaldhar to clarify these are arrays of characters not strings though I suppose I could join them and then do the xor. 03:10
zengargoyle i'm just goofing/golfing. if you already have array of chars, eq is probably best. guess i didn't read the original question closely enough. :) 03:12
buggable: eco leven 03:14
buggable zengargoyle, Found 2 results: Text::Levenshtein, Text::Levenshtein::Damerau. See modules.perl6.org/#q=leven
zengargoyle there's a module that does text 'difference' calculations that i haven't used... 03:15
jaldhar zengargoyle: btw I'm finally looking at that rosettacode example you mentioned earlier. I don't understand everything it is doing but I'm pleased to see I came up with the same general approach. 03:16
zengargoyle jaldhar: i understand after i figured out the loop thing and it's pretty sweet code written by somebody with some p6 skills. it's quite nice. 03:18
jaldhar agreed 03:19
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zengargoyle jaldhar: oh, somebody else mentioned the code originally, i just looked out of curiosity. 03:29
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coetry anyone know of anyone working on a rust backend / implementation of perl6? 03:47
timotimo: haha i checked the irc logs and see that ya'll had some fun with my name :), made me smile!
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jeromelanteri someone use Git::Wrapper ? if i just want to send command git ls-remote url from Git::Wrapper, how to do that ? and then how to get back outputs ? 04:00
github.com/nicqrocks/p6-Git-Wrapper
doc and example are minimalist.
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zengargoyle i'd think $git.run('ls-remote', $url); 04:09
returns @out of lines of the command given. 04:11
perl6 -e 'use Git::Wrapper; .say for Git::Wrapper.new(gitdir=>"p6-Search-Dict").run: "ls-remote", "github.com/zengargoyle/p6-Search-Dict.git"; ' 04:14
does what i'd expect. seems you must supply a gitdir argument which is a bit lame but understandable. guess you need a git repository somewhere to actually use the wrapper. 04:15
jaldhar Before I submit my module for inclusion in the ecosystem I just want to clarify one thing. If my module is dual-licensed, Artistic or GPL2 and above, I include this in META6.json 04:17
"license" : [
"Artistic-2.0",
"GPL-2.0+"
],
is that correct?
zengargoyle but... gitdir=>'.' also works in this case even when '.' is not a gitdir.... :)
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Todd_ Hi! I am trying to convert a p5 program to p6. what do I use in place of `LWP::UserAgent`. I use it for downloading files from the web 04:33
I need to be able to pass the following to the web page: Caller, Host, UserAgent, Referer, Cookies 04:34
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jaldhar Todd: there's a perl6 port of LWP::Simple you can install with zef. Haven't tried it myself. 04:37
Todd_ I fpund it but could not find the directions 04:38
jaldhar Todd: then there is WWW and HTTP::UserAgent which seem to be better documented. I haven't tried those either but the latter looks like a port of LWP. 04:40
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Todd_ someone wrote a how to over on the mailing list. I will dig it out as I think it has the directions. Thank you for www and useragent! bye bye 04:46
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jeromelanteri zengargoyle, thank you
zengargoyle jeromelanteri: just noticed that the nicqrocks url for Git::Wrapper you gave is a fork of perlpilot's code. don't know if this matters or there are any differences... just FYI 04:49
jeromelanteri zengargoyle, ho ok... but i install module from zef, so it should instal the one you was talking about. 04:52
zengargoyle looks like zef returns the niqrocks version... maybe niqrocks took over development or something... no big deal. 04:54
i just noticed that one can't create an issue on the niqrocks fork so i can't complain about the gitdir thing. :P 04:56
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perigrin m: my @a = <a a c>; my @b = <a b>; say (@a (&) @b) / (@a | @b); 04:58
camelia any(0.333333, 0.5)
perigrin m: my @a = <a a c>; my @b = <a b>; say (@a (&) @b) / (@a (|) @b); 04:59
camelia 0.333333
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jeromelanteri zengargoyle, from Git::Wrapper.new(gitdir => '.'); it said SORRY! STable conflict detected during deserialization. (so the good news is that the conflict is stable... :) ) 05:47
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jeromelanteri no.. it is directly at use Git::Wrapper time... 05:48
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jeromelanteri it also said that: Probable attempt to load two modules that can not be loaded together. 05:49
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jeromelanteri i have use Prompt::Gruff::Export and use Term::Choose loaded. 05:50
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jeromelanteri if i do a little file just for add modules and see.. it run. 05:56
but if i comment use Git::Wrapper from my programm... it works. So it is strange, how is it possible to not be able to use two modules together ? and how to know why precisely there is a STable conflict ? 05:57
if i know that, maybe i should add en issue for the faulted module who can not have a life with other.
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jeromelanteri conflict seems to be (maybe) with Prompt::Gruff::Export 06:02
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zengargoyle perl6 -e 'use Term::Choose; use Prompt::Gruff::Export; use Git::Wrapper; .say for Git::Wrapper.new(gitdir=>".").run: "ls-remote", "github.com/zengargoyle/p6-Search-Dict.git";' 06:03
still works for me....
so all three can be use'd and at least Git::Wrapper works in that case. 06:05
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zengargoyle maybe a version/os thing, i'd suspect Term::Choose because of ncursed and nativall type stuff. the Prompt and Git::Wrapper seem mostly generic.... 06:11
zengargoyle lol at s/ncursed/ncurses/ 06:12
it will probably take somebody who knows what STable could mean and looking at your code. 06:13
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zengargoyle perl6 -e 'use Term::Choose; use Prompt::Gruff::Export; use Git::Wrapper; .say for Git::Wrapper.new(gitdir=>".").run: "ls-remote", "github.com/zengargoyle/p6-Search-Dict.git"; say my $chosen = choose( <1 2 3>, :layout(2) );say prompt-for("Enter name (required): ");' 06:16
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zengargoyle simple test of all 3 modules works for me... 06:17
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jeromelanteri zengargoyle, same for me 06:20
only my code failed. but use lib is call from a module in do. who are introduced from own lib (use lib 'my path") 06:21
an other one different question, i use vim and TagBar plugin, but still no have tags list... i do install universal-ctags in place of ctags for try to resolve, but not works to. How to resolve this problem (if someone use vim and TagBar and know) ? 06:23
zengargoyle, i see that if i add this Git::Wrapper lib from main file (.pl6, not module file .pm6) no error... but i need it in the module file... 06:24
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jeromelanteri same problem if i do use Git::Wrapper from a file .pm6 who contain a class 06:39
zengargoyle i'd say put your code on github or somewhere so somebody smarter than me can look. if it is really a problem with 'use lib' and use from module and conflict errors.... it might be something weird.
jeromelanteri ok 06:40
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zengargoyle STable conflict detected during deserialization -- is a weird internally looking error that is less than helpful :) 06:41
at least i've never seen it before and have no clue what it could mean. 06:42
jeromelanteri IDK, my level is to bad (start to learn perl6 not one week ago)
so it should also be something i done wrong. I 'm going to create a public bitbucket repo and git push this 06:43
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lookatme STable, I remember this is a thing in NQP 06:49
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jeromelanteri bitbucket.org/jerome___/vimplugger/src 07:30
my bitbucket (git) public repo for this little code
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jeromelanteri NQP ==> nOOb Questions Protocol,correct ? 07:33
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lookatme nqp: nqp::say("123"); 07:34
camelia 123
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lookatme Not Quite Perl 07:35
nqp: nqp::if(1 == 3, nqp::say("123"), nqp::say("453")); 07:37
camelia 453
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lookatme jeromelanteri, How to use your script ? 07:39
jeromelanteri lookatme, actually, just start ./VimPlugger.pl6 07:40
lookatme ok
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jeromelanteri if you have libs i use installed, then it should start by a menu when this error gone 07:41
if you comment use Git::Wrapper from check.pm6, it should start well
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lookatme OK, I will try 07:42
jeromelanteri thank you
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lookatme There is some error, undeclared routine: yaml ? 07:47
jeromelanteri
zengargoyle jeromelanteri: first peek. it will get much easier if you use App::Mi6 or something and create a standard module/distribution structure. for example, you're code won't work for anybody because 'use lib "/home/jerome/PROGRAMATION/...."; 07:48
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lookatme I change it to "." 07:49
jeromelanteri yes, i didn't know that, thank you 07:51
i have to read/learn about App::Mi6
lookatme What is yaml ? 07:52
jeromelanteri a kind of yaml parser 07:53
lookatme The code in the bitbucket is not correct 07:55
zengargoyle lookatme: it's dump/load not yaml.dump/yaml.load. 07:56
lookatme I delete all `yaml.` in the pm file, and all thing working expect that error you mentioned
yeah
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jeromelanteri lookatme, ho really... let me check this. 07:57
lookatme s/expect/except/
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zengargoyle there are some 'has method' in datas 07:59
samcv huggable, deb 08:00
huggable samcv, CentOS, Debian, Fedora and Ubuntu Rakudo packages: github.com/nxadm/rakudo-pkg/releases
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jeromelanteri zengargoyle, it should not in a class ? 08:01
oh yes...
zengargoyle m: check 08:02
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
check used at line 1. Did you mean 'CHECK'?
jeromelanteri lookatme, github.com/yaml/yaml-perl6/blob/ma.../README.md 08:03
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zengargoyle jeromelanteri: on first look, you're trying too hard. :) lots of my sub and our sub and is export(:MANDATORY) and when "$answer" that looks like more than you probably need to actually do. :) 08:06
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lookatme Yeah, I got the error 08:07
STable conflict detected during deserialization.
It always report this error, though I comment that use Git::Wrapper.
jeromelanteri zengargoyle, wow but... i done it. 08:09
zengargoyle, maybe it seems to hard because the script code is not shiny... i used to first do something, then rewrite the code (and sometimes redesign all the design pattern after). 08:10
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jeromelanteri lookatme, not for me, if Git::Wrapper is commented, no more error on that. 08:11
do retry it three times, i confirm, if i comment Git::Wrapper from my side, it works good. 08:13
zengargoyle jeromelanteri: yeah, i see that in places.. :) how far did you get before you got the error? like... which parts did work.
m: add 08:14
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
add used at line 1. Did you mean 'dd'?
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zengargoyle m: install 08:14
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
install used at line 1
jeromelanteri zengargoyle, just when i try to add Git wrapper from check.pm6 file in git_repos_exist, and in same time in datas method install_repos_from
zengargoyle, add and install are modules shared by "our" i choosed to do like this for clarity and be able to have functions with same names in different modules... then because of "our" in fucntion declaration modules, i can call them by the first module name :: function 08:16
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jeromelanteri fomr a kind_of.pm6 file, unit module kind_off; our sub blabla is export(:MANDATORY) {...} from an other file: use kind_of; kind_of::blabla; 08:17
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jeromelanteri normaly no need to put use kind_of :MAN?DATORY; the doc said :MANDATORY is automatically exported. 08:18
by defqault
default
and that's it.
zengargoyle jeromelanteri: assuming most code works, i'm thinking our and symbols and same name stuff causes collisions somewhere.
lookatme What is $datas, I found this in some module reference module datas
jeromelanteri zengargoyle, ho yes, that's should be a reason, why not... IDK 08:19
lookatme k
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jeromelanteri from vim /$datas ==> not find. I think you mean $.datas ? 08:20
zengargoyle for me.... it should be VimPlugins::datas, VimPlugins::install, VimPlugins::add, etc. and maybe VimPlugins::add::somefunc() before trying to make it look easy.
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zengargoyle once it works, you can make it easy to use. :) 08:21
jeromelanteri this is a class public variable with attributes. It contain $yaml datas parsed from yaml file
lookatme I don't see where $datas is create
OH..
jeromelanteri zengargoyle, i not well understand. Do you mean at import time ?
lookatme, ligne 8 08:22
and ligne 30 show you the yaml parse 08:23
i do initialize things at method TWEAK
i not used submethod BUILD
lookatme Oh, that's my mistake 08:24
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jeromelanteri I'm sorry also, i not add coments... i didn't know this to be shared also... i can add some comments if you want. 08:25
(but with my poor english... not sure it will not be more confuse... :) 08:26
or more clear
lookatme Oh, it said YAML.load not implement ? 08:27
jeromelanteri lookatme, yes sorry, my fault to not precise at first commit in thge README file to NOT use the zef install YAML
lookatme OH, so how to ? 08:28
jeromelanteri but instead use zef install from git yaml-perl6 ... i do change the README actually
waiting, i copy paste
lookatme, zef install github.com/yaml/yaml-perl6.git
(remove the other one first) 08:29
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jeromelanteri then also, if Git::Wrapper is use from main file... no error ! very strange 08:31
nut maybe zengargoyle find the idea... it should be my modules who make conflmict because of "our" 08:32
i also not well understand how to try to fix it.
and keep the separat call for module: name_of_module::function
also, i tryed to use the perl6-debug-m for rack deeply the problem... serve nothing, the debuger doesn't works on this case (or i miss the point to make it work on that error) 08:34
for track
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lookatme Cannot locate native library 'libyaml.so': /lib64/libyaml.so: file too short 08:44
zengargoyle lookatme: on arch? 08:45
lookatme fedora
zengargoyle cat /lib64/libyaml.so
lookatme INPUT(libyaml-0.so.2)
zengargoyle like arch, fedora evidently uses `ld` magick which doesn't work with nativecall..... 08:46
lookatme Oh, How to fix that ? create a symbol link ? 08:47
zengargoyle you could rm /lib64/libyaml.so and (cd /lib64; ln -s libyaml-0.so.2 libyaml.so) or something....
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lookatme Oh, I wonder why they not using a symbol link 08:48
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zengargoyle or edit look at module and edit to use a libyaml-0.so.2.... 08:48
it's like a known issue that has no good solution yet i think... 08:49
why fedora/arch does this insane thing i have no idea. :P
lookatme Hmm
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jeromelanteri lookatme, at one point, i had this problem and created a environment variable (but the module asked for that) PERL6_NCURSEs_LIB 08:52
lookatme OH
jeromelanteri zengargoyle, look if there is the way of variable env export 08:53
i'm from archlinux
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zengargoyle native call. is native('libyaml.so').... some librarys make that a sub or environment variable and do magic. 08:53
so if module author thought to add env override maybe you can change it, otherwise edit code or make symlink. 08:55
jeromelanteri zengargoyle, if you make symlink, it should works, but also you shoumd break your distro...
should
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lookatme Oh, it's working now
zengargoyle well, i've moved and edited a bunch of files, and even moved the 'use Git::Wrapper;' in datas down to inside the single function that uses it.... it bonks if it's there, and works otherwise (i guess not knowing exactly what it's supped to do but getting an ncurses menu thing.... :) ) 08:57
lookatme Which module conflict with Git::Wrapper ?
jeromelanteri mine maybe...
zengargoyle jeromelanteri: i've used unix for 30 years... :) i can *make* it work. 08:58
jeromelanteri in fact, if i import Git::Wrapper from main file, it works... it doesn't works only when import from pm6 files
zengargoyle, you better than me, i make use it from 32 years, and sometimes i loose again some hairs... 08:59
zengargoyle perl6 on the other hand...
jeromelanteri did you try to run debuger ? 09:00
maybe you can see some datas make sens for you (not for me, but maybe for you) 09:01
or strace ?
zengargoyle anyway, it's 2am here and i'm going to bed for now. i'll revisit tomorrow.
jeromelanteri zengargoyle, thank you for try to help me and have a good night man. 09:02
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zengargoyle hopefully somebody figures it out... 09:02
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lookatme good night! zengargoyle 09:03
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jeromelanteri lookatme, i make a break pause... will be AFK... and i will take time for reflection then, i will be back with fresh ideas. It should be my module callas who make problems... it's possible i think. 09:08
lookatme oik 09:13
ok
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jeromelanteri by the way, remove our declaration of functions from modules and cal by &group instead of add::group (and same for all other) doesn't fix the problem... so it should be a module Git::Wrapper code problem (maybe). 09:35
i created a branch git_wrapper also... 09:37
a commit show that not fix problem... now i go back next commit to decclaration with our and use module name for call functions 09:38
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jeromelanteri i also asked on archlinux channel why do use magic links instead of symlink... approximative answer was that it get more control, but no one actually know exactly what this control is and why is it better... 09:51
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nadim hi, I am requiring a module which is not installed, its part of my development, I tried use lib '.' but I get this error 'use lib' may not be pre-compiled 10:21
I am trying a (try require ::Data::Dump::Tree::LayFlat) but that gives me run time error: No such symbol 'Data::Dump::Tree::LayFlat' 10:25
jeromelanteri nadim, could you call a simple module lib from your code ? does it works ? 10:26
did you also declare your module from your module file by unit module name_of_your_module (same as file_name without .pm6) 10:27
nadim Yes, but let me nopaste the code, it's simpler 10:28
jeromelanteri yes
nadim jeromelanteri: nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1160079 10:35
jeromelanteri nadim, you not use is export for sub function, and then i'm not sure the way you declare the module can works.. you can use lib from main file (it should share libs for other), then call unit module LayFlat (name of your file). Not sure for the last reqquest... also, not sure but files extentions convention is .pm6 10:39
also, i do use is export(:MANDATORY): sub lay_flat is export(:MANDATORY) { ... }
nadim I believe the problem is finding the module, the error doe not seem to indicate we got that far. 10:40
jeromelanteri if u declare use lib 'lib', it goes for search lib from ./lib/ ...
nadim that's where the module is
jeromelanteri nadim, good. you should wait for an other one know better... i'm a noob actualy... 10:41
nadim also, using .pm works fine, although I should change that some day
jeromelanteri ok 10:42
nadim there are 3 Gods, 10 titans, 300 noobs and a whole bunch clueless, you still are in quite ok cathegory ;)
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nadim I am requiring another module but that one is installed, I just want to test without having to install a, potentially broken, module all the time 10:43
jeromelanteri nadim :) not sure... my frustration is to not be able to help you more by the fact...
i'm waiting to see what should be yyour solution for learn more around that to. 10:44
nadim well, we'll both eventually learn something when one of the titans wakes up
jeromelanteri from sources of module, they add "use v6;" 10:49
nadim ok
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nadim hmm, it was a good idea to try to installll too it seem as I found another install error! 10:50
Zoffix nadim: you can't precompile `use lib`; so you eaither need a `no precompile` or put it into your script instead of the module
nadim: as for require. Is that sub exported? 10:51
Use ::('Data::Dump::Tree::LayFlat::EXPORT::DEFAULT::&lay_flat')
nadim no it was not exported, adding that 10:52
Zoffix Right without an export or `our` it's not accessible from the outside
nadim I run p6 via an alias, I thought it would take care of things. alias p6='perl6 -Ilib,t' 10:55
timotimo setting lib to t? that's ... an interesting decision
nadim old habit when test libs end up in t 10:56
they should probably be somewhere else, maybe 10:57
Zoffix nadim: it takes care of adding lib and t to module search paths, not to what symbols are visible from outside the module
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nadim ok, bu the error, No such symbol 'Data::Dump::Tree::LayFlat', happens oin the require line, not when I am using a symbol from that module. nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1160079 10:59
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llfourn nadim: why's there a :: before Data? 11:04
try require Data::Dump::Tree::LayFlat # <-- should be? 11:05
nadim llfourn: if I recall properly, it was from an example I saw. I require Terminal::ANSIColor like that and it works. I tried without the :: and got no better result 11:08
llfourn hmm weird I've never seen that before
is there some reason you're not doing try require Data::Dump::Tree::LayFlat <&lay_flat>; nand the njust pushing &lay_flat? 11:09
*and then
hmm but you say the error happens on the require line... 11:10
nadim no special reason, that certainly looks neater. but right now the problem is not with the sub, even if I do not use lay_flat, i still get an error loading the module
llfourn it could easily be a bug
nadim I hope not :)
llfourn the require implementation is pretty dodgey in that area
it does some dynamic lookup to get the class it's meant to be returning 11:11
and that sounds like where the error is coming from
I've been meaning to fix it...
nadim Do it, do it ;)
right now I use this: (try require ::Data::Dump::Tree::LayFlat:file('Data/Dump/Tree/LayFlat.pm')) !=== Nil 11:12
llfourn can you give the exact reproduction steps and send to [email@hidden.address]
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nadim so I am giving the path too. I do not "use lib" as it is not necessary. I found out by giving a wrong name and I got an error message showing me the libs paths, they were fine 11:13
llfourn: of course I can do that :)
llfourn does it happen if you just do: require Data::Dump::Tree::LayFlat
nadim that's how I started, same error
require works for installed modules 11:14
llfourn well, if everything is set out like you show it's probably a bug I *might* have a fix for
nadim this one is part of the development not installed yet
let's see if I can golf this
llfourn nadim: that would help :) 11:15
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nadim llfourn: golfed it works :) let me break it again ;) 11:21
llfourn it might be something with the many :: deep name 11:22
jeromelanteri well... let's learn why STable conflict happen when i use Git::Wrapper module then ? (if you want) 11:24
bitbucket.org/jerome___/vimplugger...it_wrapper
i'm burning sage and make incantations at this time... 11:26
nadim llfourn: no golfed broken version yet but the working code from a script, when called from a method, generates an error. 11:36
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llfourn nadim: so it sounds really tricky to reproduce which supports my conclusion it's related to the problem I suspected 11:41
it would be very handy to have a golfed version so we can turn it into a test though 11:42
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jaldhar This is strange 11:47
Enabled extracting backends [git path tar p5tar unzip] don't understand /home/jaldhar/.zef/tmp/Algorithm-DawkinsWeasel 11:48
You may need to configure one of the following backends, or install its underlying software - [psunzip]
but I have unzip in my path. What gives?
Is my module (Algorithm::DawkinsWeasel) set up wrong? 11:49
or is zef not configured properly? If so where do I configure it? (homemade install of rakudo 2017.07 in ~/.perl6)
llfourn jaldhar: I'm pretty sure it's meant to find those automatically 11:51
I've never used zef with anything other than git 11:52
nadim llfourn: trying to wrap things up in the golfed version but the darn things continues to work!
llfourn ugexe: what do you think wrt jaldhar's problem? 11:53
nadim: damn that's the worst
I hate it when you can't golf a rakudo bug
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bdmatatu I am trying to eval code and save the context, like REPL::repl-loop. It almost works but not quite: git.io/v7c6L 12:21
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asdaddqwqe hello for all 12:35
I am newcomer in Perl
nadim welcome
asdaddqwqe thanks 12:36
what for this irc channel?
moritz general questions around Perl 6
(and specific questions as well :-) 12:37
asdaddqwqe mmm
good
will be know
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asdaddqwqe guys, are you like football? 12:46
fantasy premier league 12:47
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perlpilot blah 12:52
Zoffix++ 12:56
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awwaiid bdmatatu: I would like it if what you have in your gist (or a variant) worked, but the REPL is not fully de-magic'd in ways I don't quite understand 13:09
bdmatatu: However, I have constructed a devious way of _simulating_ the same thing through constructing nested scopes for subsequent evals
bdmatatu I think I just got it actually -- adding :interactive(1) seems to fix it
awwaiid bdmatatu: github.com/awwaiid/p6-lrep/blob/ma...EP.pm6#L35 13:10
bdmatatu: ah very good!
On my very-deep-todo-stack is to come back around to some rakudo repl work :)
I would rather the setup you had to be only creating an instance of REPL and then invoking .repl-eval, without any of the other things you had to do 13:14
and _especially_ it shouldn't depend on nqp
bdmatatu Sounds good -- this is the application btw, have been trying to write a jupyter kernel: github.com/bduggan/p6-jupyter-kernel 13:15
awwaiid bdmatatu++ # !!! 13:16
that is also somewhere on my infinite todo list :)
bdmatatu :)
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awwaiid bdmatatu: you found the previous attempt someone worked on? 13:16
bdmatatu Yes
awwaiid very good
andreoss` m: class Foo {}; sub foo(Foo:D $x?) { 1 }; say foo(); 13:17
camelia Parameter '$x' of routine 'foo' must be an object instance of type 'Foo', not a type object of type 'Foo'. Did you forget a '.new'?
in sub foo at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
awwaiid I would be delighted to hear of your pgoress on this and will try to find time to beta-test
bdmatatu awwaiid++ great!
andreoss` can I use optional parametrs with :D objects? 13:18
awwaiid andreoss`: maybe give it a default (defined) value 13:19
jnthn Only if you provide a default. Maybe we should catch that at compile time. 13:21
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mspo stmuk: so benny is saying to package all of the "star" packages individually and just track them like that; which I think is what you were also recommending 13:31
guess that's the way to go
just need to figure out all of the right INC's to use + the incantation with zef (maybe) 13:32
I always wasn't super clear on how other packaging systems are doing it 13:33
[Coke] timotimo: see also my unicode mangler if you want rando combiners. 13:35
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[Coke] timotimo: (g̩ͧ̒̔͡ö̟̝̻́͡ǫ̺̋ͨ́d̷̻ͬ̄͞b̫͒͟͡ͅy̫̋̀ͣ̏é̷̞͝ͅ) 13:40
mspo [Coke]: that one works better than the one yesterday for me 13:41
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mspo so if I install rakudo star and want to update one of the included modules can zef do it? 15:08
since there is no more @INC I'm not sure how to order stuff
timotimo yeah, zef can update stuff for you
mspo would it replace what star installed? 15:12
timotimo if the :ver is the same, yes
if it's a new :ver, it'll be installed alongside the older one so you can still get it with a more specific use statement
mspo okay 15:13
geekosaur iirc it will install alongside, since unlike perl 5 you can distinguish by :ver and possibly :auth
heh
geekosaur slow
timotimo like a little part of my zef list --installed looks like this:
JSON::Fast:ver('0.4')
JSON::Fast:ver('0.8.5')
JSON::Fast:ver('0.9')
JSON::Fast:ver('0.9.1')
mspo are those in site/ or vendor/ ? 15:14
timotimo i think vendor is for rakudo star and site is for what you install
or something
mspo timotimo: yeah I'm asking because I'm going to try (again) to get rakudo-star into pkgsrc 15:15
timotimo: but right now we're headed down the path of just combining stand-alone nqp, moar, rakudo
timotimo did you look at nine's work on getting it packaged for suse?
mspo timotimo: and it's up in the air about how to handle the 30+ packages inside of star 15:16
timotimo problem with that is that the latest star release uses an unreleased nqp
mspo timotimo: people seem to be leaning towards just packing them up on their own
timotimo: we can apply patchsets into nqp. it's not a problem
but why wouldn't nqp just do a point release to fix ? :) 15:17
en.opensuse.org/Rakudo <- looks out of date 15:18
timotimo huh i don't know where to find that stuff 15:19
mspo :)
timotimo: pkgsrc has a bunch of stale attempts too
timotimo: I'm hoping to get it cleaned up and modernized. One of our guys is already most of the way there 15:20
timotimo nine built something called "CompUnitRepo::Staging" or similar
it allows you to install precompiled stuff by building it once and distributing the binaries
IIUC
mspo we also need a sanctioned way to intsall modules that might get packaged up 15:22
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timotimo how do you mean? 15:23
mspo integrate zef into pkgsrc as a usable "tool" for building packages 15:24
or some other method
right now perl5 stuff uses makemaker directly I think
timotimo kind of like arch has alacryd?
not that i know anything about that tool
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mspo I don't know it :) 15:25
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mspo timotimo: pkgsrc is a big collection of software for netbsd, illumos, osx, and others 15:25
timotimo: it's a giant collection of Makefile's
timotimo i mean i don't know anything about alacryd
mspo oh me either
timotimo i've heard of pkgsrc
mspo cool :) 15:26
much nicer than brew for osx ;)
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mspo just use pkgin to get all the binary packages; including perl6 if I can get some time to work on it! 15:26
HoboWithShotgun hi. I just installed rakudo and some modules with this zef tool.
where do the modules get installed to? 15:27
mspo .say for $*REPO.repo-chain;
run that I think
timotimo m: .say for $*REPO.repo-chain
camelia inst#/home/camelia/.perl6
inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/site
inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/vendor
inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6
CompUnit::Repository::AbsolutePath.new(next-repo => CompUnit::Repos…
mspo timotimo: oh I see; we could use compunit::repoisotry to package up star and just stick it on the install 15:28
interesting but probably not what Benny wants
also that means you can use compunit::repository to make FatPack-style stuff? 15:29
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mspo ugexe++ 15:30
HoboWithShotgun interesting. why do the file names of modules appear to be some checksum? 15:32
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geekosaur because you can have multiple versions of a module installed 15:34
so they get named by a hash of their identifying information (version, author, etc.) and I think maybe ABI? 15:35
moritz and the module name may contain Unicode characters that your file system may not like
geekosaur use Foo.Bar:ver(1.16); # for a specific version; default should be the latest installed
andrzejku_ moritz, hey! 15:36
HoboWithShotgun that's a bummer. i wanted to look at xml::node code
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HoboWithShotgun actually, where is the documentation for the XML class? 15:37
stmuk is it possible to have nqp c0abee7953ac tagged as 2017.07.1?
geekosaur that wouldn't work anyway, I think --- iirc the CUR has only the compiled version? 15:38
HoboWithShotgun nvm, found it
nine The vendor repo is for packaged modules (think rpm, dpkg, ...). They are shipped by your operating system vendor. 15:39
The site repo is for modules installed by the user.
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nine Well user with sufficient access priviledges that is. There's still the home repo for unpriviledged users. 15:39
timotimo: CompUnit::Repository::Staging is essential for building precomp files with an unpriviledged user before packaging. It lets you install modules to a different location than where the will end up in, i.e. /tmp/BUILDROOT/usr/share/perl6/vendor. 15:41
perlpilot mi6++ (tried it for the first time today and it was doing something weird ... turned out it was a bug in my code!)
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lucs I had the impression that mi6 was deprecated in favor of ddt. 15:47
Is it?
timotimo nine: thank you for clarifying, i'll try to remember it 15:49
perlpilot I don't see that ddt handles CPAN distributions. (that's the only reason I was using mi6)
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lucs perlpilot: Oh, important difference, eh. 15:51
ugexe HoboWithShotgun: you can find the source for an installed module with `zef locate My::Module`
perlpilot but also ... mi6-- for changing my README and META6.json without me asking it to 15:52
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ugexe or `zef locate lib/My/Module.pm6` or `zef locate $some-sha1 --sha1` 15:53
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ugexe llfourn: their source-url does not identify its type (github.com/jaldhar/Algorithm-DawkinsWeasel) 16:04
nadim llfourn: I thnk I will give up on trying to golf something to reproduce error: No such symbol 'Data::Dump::Tree::LayFlat', On the other hand I can try to debug the problem I have, if there is some sata I can extract from this case that can help, I'd be happy to do it 16:05
llfourn: and maybe I give golfing another try but right now it has frustrated me enough. 16:06
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rakudo: 'md5=c1a031bd227df4f7a4dae94e0135dd09' ~~ /md5\=(<[0..9a..z]>+)/; say qq[$0]; 16:23
camelia c1a031bd227df4f7a4dae94e0135dd09
HoboWithShotgun rakudo: 'md5=c1a031bd227df4f7a4dae94e0135dd09' ~~ /md5\=(<[0..9a..z]>+)/; say $0;
camelia ｢c1a031bd227df4f7a4dae94e0135dd09｣
HoboWithShotgun where do these two extra characters come from?
zengargoyle m: 'md5=c1a031bd227df4f7a4dae94e0135dd09' ~~ /md5\=(<[0..9a..z]>+)/; say ~$0; 16:25
camelia c1a031bd227df4f7a4dae94e0135dd09
HoboWithShotgun oh, it's a match object.
AlexDaniel HoboWithShotgun: oh, you get a Match object. “say” is using .gist on whatever it gets, which is a human-readable output.
perlpilot Having to .Str the results of a regex capture is annoying 16:26
skids rakudo: 'md5=c1a031bd227df4f7a4dae94e0135dd09' ~~ /md5\=(<[0..9a..z]>+)/; print $0;
camelia c1a031bd227df4f7a4dae94e0135dd09
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zengargoyle notices nobody tried explaining the STable thing from last night. :(
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Geth doc: 25806762ef | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/PseudoStash.pod6
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Refs #1341. Please check it out to see if the paraphrashing of @jnthn and @lizmat is basically correct.
I also looked up class inheritance in the "Any" diagram, so that should be correct.		 16:32
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jnthn zengargoyle: I don't backlog this channel so closely, but I can probably answer most things about STable given I coined the term. :) What was the question? 16:48
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zengargoyle jnthn: i think it boiled down to adding 'use GitWrapper;' in a module caused the STable conflict "maybe using two modules you can't use together" error from the reposess code. (i just looked). 16:50
jnthn zengargoyle: Usually because a module does augment or other meta-programming without marking itself `no precompilation` 16:53
We should make augment imply that, most probably
Modules that use the MOP to change other module's objections will have to make the call themselves
zengargoyle jnthn: i'm not sure it's that complicated. nothing fancy like that. (it's sombody elses code) 16:54
nadim .tell llfourn I founf what the problem was in my code; I have unit module X ; use Y ; use Z ; sub want_this_sub{} ; When unit module X is after the 'use's it works, as if require did not put it in the right unit.
yoleaux nadim: I'll pass your message to llfourn.
jnthn Could be because of some dependency also 16:55
Anyway, it'll probably be something along those lines
zengargoyle i'm thinking it's not namespacing things, the code uses modules directly from . named like 'datas', 'check', 'add', and might have some circular thing going on. i'm going to try and re-write it in a bit more standard fashion. 16:58
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andreoss` m: my @x := 1, 1, | @x Z+ @x[1..*] 16:59
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Cannot use variable @x in declaration to initialize itself
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my @x := 1, 1, | @7⏏5x Z+ @x[1..*]
expecting any of:
prefix
andreoss` i recall self-referencing in declaration was possible before, wasn't it?
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jnthn Don't think so. Even if the compiler didn't check it and complain, the @x on the right would be some empty Array unrelated to the result that gets bound into @x 17:01
Since the RHS is evaluated before the bind
home time; bbl &
mspo what is this stuff? 9AD391BB028FBF86169E02934A6181BA21049736.1497985253.01802/07/071E327F6BCF9C81A7F69FDD6CD4B79413A1AAD5 17:05
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linuksz i get the following error during the test when i try to install Email::Simple 17:09
sprunge.us/QdLe
did i fucked up something, or the module is wrong?
AlexDaniel andreoss`: it is, but not with binding
linuksz i use git version of rakudo and git version of module 17:10
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geekosaur ummmmm 17:10
AlexDaniel andreoss: although… I'm no longer sure. Trying to get it working
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geekosaur samcv ^ did something break with newline handling in your recent changes? ( sprunge.us/QdLe ) 17:11
(I *think* the missing backslashes are the test harness's fault; it's hard to get that right) 17:12
(note that the network-format newlines are "backwards", \n\r instead of \r\n) 17:13
AlexDaniel well yeah, in this particular case it's much easier to write it as a sequence 17:15
geekosaur linuksz, this wouldn't be the first time something has gone sideways with trying to deal with variant forms of newline
linuksz so can i do something to get it working? 17:16
AlexDaniel m: my @x = 1, 1, * + * … ∞; say @x[^10]
camelia (1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55)
geekosaur and I am reading those expected/got as "Subject: test\n\rTo: foo\n\r\n\rfoo\n\r" which would be a valid SMTP message aside from the reversed newline sequences
linuksz, probably try an older not-from-git rakudo 17:17
m: say "\n\r" ~~ "\n\r"
camelia True
geekosaur huh...
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geekosaur m: say "\n\r" eq "\n\r" 17:18
camelia True
linuksz it is annoying, because i use my distro package manager for installing packages to my system, and the program i use for packaging (alacryd) only runs on git version
geekosaur maybe it's not rakudo
buggable: eco Email::Simple 17:19
buggable geekosaur, Email::Simple 'Simple email parsing module': github.com/retupmoca/p6-Email-Simple
mspo okay I'm reading github.com/ugexe/zef/issues/117 17:20
geekosaur hrm, suspicious, last commit is about newline issues 17:21
mspo "simple email parsing" lol 17:22
geekosaur m: use Test; my $nr = "\x0a\x0d"; my $nasty = "Subject: test{$nr}To: foo{$nr}{$nr}foo{$nr}"; is ~$nasty, $nasty, "fii"
camelia ok 1 - fii
geekosaur trying to install locally but suspect this is a bug in Email::Simple or possibly an incompatibility with recent rakudo 17:24
...the latter apparently as it passes here
linuksz if i now compile nqp with an older version of moarvm (git compiled today morning) installed on my system, then compile rakudo with the today morning version of nqp and moarvm, will it work with the now compiled nqp and moarvm? 17:25
geekosaur suggest you file a bug at github.com/retupmoca/p6-Email-Simple/issues
I have no idea when it changed, sorry 17:26
linuksz isn't there any way to make it working? take a look at the developer's github activity statistics.
geekosaur This is Rakudo version 2017.06-133-ga7b2304 built on MoarVM version 2017.06-29-ga51ba62
is what I tested on
you could try forcing the install as it's onl;y likely to be a problem with weird newlines 17:27
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geekosaur stick to the RFC (\r\n) and you'll be fine 17:27
linuksz geekosaur, did it work for you? 17:28
geekosaur by forcing the install I mean zef install --/test Email::Simple
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linuksz so without tests? 17:29
geekosaur and I guess I have to figure out how to rephrase what I already said because it didn't register
it will work fine if you don't feed it noncompliant messages with weird newlines 17:30
it may work fine if you *do* feed it such messages, it's not clear that there is a real problem aside from a strange comparison somewhere since the expected and got strings are identical 17:31
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geekosaur which is why I pinged the person working on the unicode stuff, since newlines have special unicode handling and it's been a problem before 17:32
and for now, since the only test that failed is the one with the non-RFC-complaint newlines, yes, just skip the tests
*compliant 17:33
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linuksz i get the "Malformed UTF-8 at line 1 col 1" message with several modules i trying to install 17:38
geekosaur erm, or the possibility I didn't think of which is that maybe the version I installed predates the change to try to support weird newlines...
actually looks like it got thay version 17:39
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geekosaur "at line 1 col 1" is a bit suspicious. what modules? 17:40
linuksz developing programs for humans is NOT possible in perl6, because installing moarvm, then nqp, then rakudo, then the module manager, then the module, and get them working requires at least a power user
geekosaur (I suspect Windows byte order marks)
linuksz Email::MIME
geekosaur linuksz, humans are supposed to use rakudo star, not git 17:41
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geekosaur buggable6, eco alacryd 17:41
buggable: eco alacryd
buggable geekosaur, Nothing found
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linuksz humans can't use zef. humans can use the graphical package manager, and click on the 'install' button of the program, and the package manager automatically downloads the packages, extract them, and installs them 17:43
AlexDaniel ZofBot: humans? 17:44
timotimo linuksz: if the end user is a windows user, you can build a little msi for them with just a little config file and a command
linuksz but it is not possible to make packages that are can give a working module with an extraction and installation
geekosaur linuksz, that train of thought goes nowhere. come back in a few years when there's been time to build up the kind of ecosystem you seem to think is mandatory
or go join the schmuck who insisted perl 6 can't be a real language unless its install is curl|sh 17:45
linuksz i want to develop applications for linux
geekosaur because your attitude and theirs are (a) both nonsense (b) antithetical, so you're set for a cage match
so you're using arch? and you tak about humans requiring gui package managers? 17:46
you're on arch, you're using what looks like an arch specific or at least heavily arch oriented tool, I don't think you get to complain about complexity 17:47
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linuksz yes, because i want to develop not for myself 17:47
geekosaur rright, that point went flying verhead 17:48
why. are. you. using. a. power. user. distro. if. you. think. humans. can't. cope. with. power. user. tools./
linuksz so is it possible to build packages and write programs that can be installed with a click?
geekosaur pretty sure the ubuntu packaging is a lot friendlier than arch's, yes 17:49
you are using Arch. you have already excluded what you think "humans" are, 17:50
heck, you are targeting Linux, you have already alienated 90% of what you think "humans" are 17:51
mst linuksz: of course it is
linuksz Manjaro has an one-click package manager.
mst yes, and? 17:52
look, the fact you don't understand how to package software
does not mean that software cannot be packaged
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mst the fact that you're installing everything the hard way does not mean users are required to do so :) 17:53
zengargoyle welp... i cleaned up dist layout of jeromelanteri's VimPlugger, wrote some use-ok tests and got it working... then just add 'use Git::Wrapper;' in VimPlugger::install module and boom STable conflict... :( 17:54
linuksz so can you define the way perl6 software can be packaged for one click install?
mst linuksz: you build a package for the distro. the user installs the package. 17:55
geekosaur use a platform not based on a rolling release, so it has tools that don't require you to live on the bleeding edge. manjaro is based on arch, it inherits arch's bleeding edge tendencies
mst geekosaur: I don't honestly see how that relates 17:56
geekosaur the packager they found for arch only works with git rakudo and git moarvm
not the packaged versions
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linuksz ok, and what is the tool with i can build packages? 17:56
mst 'the packager they found' <- eh?
geekosaur "alacryd"
mst linuksz: that's a manjaro question, nothing to do with us. 17:57
geekosaur which generate arch pkgbuilds from perl 6 metadata
mst oh, right, but that's a developer-only tool
nothing to do with packaging for users
so nothing to do with linuksz problem
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mst linuksz: anyway, "developing programs for humans is NOT possible in perl6" is a lie. please learn how to build packages for your target distro if you want to distribute packages for users. 17:59
meanwhile, 'zef' is the correct thing to use for development 18:00
linuksz arch is far away before other distros in packaging perl6. for example, fedora doesn't have any perl6 packages.
mst, and what is the correct thing to use for packaging? 18:01
mst linuksz: dpkg-deb --build 18:03
you need to figure out your own answer for your own distro
you don't have a perl6 problem
you have a "not understanding manjaro" problem
linuksz i am not familiar with debian.
mst and since manjaro uses a fork of an obsolete version of arch's package manager 18:04
linuksz but as i see, it isn't an efficient tool, because packages.debian.org/search?keywords=perl6
mst I have no idea
I have no idea what you mean by "efficient tool"
debian has 2017.06 just the same as arch 18:05
linuksz a tool with packagers can package several packages (there is 855) perl6 module currently 18:06
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linuksz and how many modules in binary form? 18:06
mst I don't actually care, I install to a local CUR and ship that
linuksz i will take a try with zef. 18:09
mst for shipping apps to end-users I tend to make fat packages that have the dependencies in the package so that you don't run into problems when distros upgrade stuff
this works fine with most languages
the problem here isn't "perl6 is missing a feature", the problem is "linuksz doesn't know how to use manjaro's build system" 18:10
raschipi Yes, then sysadmins have to upgrade all packages by hand when there's a problem, yay!
mst and I'm afraid I can't help you with that
raschipi: eh?
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raschipi If you bundle, it won't be upgraded when the base package is upgraded. 18:10
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raschipi It's a serious problem, instead of doing it once, doing it for every bundle. But I'm just ranting, sorry. 18:11
linuksz i know how to use arch's build system. 18:12
raschipi I wish distros somehow forbade bundling, so that devs didn't have that option and were forced to do it properly.
mst linuksz: then you should have no problems packaging perl6 applications
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mst raschipi: for a package for a centralised distro repository you should work with the main packages, sure 18:13
but if I'm supplying a 3rd party package I'd rather have to rebuild myself than risk a distro changing a version of something and breaking deployed code
perlpilot raschipi: It's a problem that my software continues to work as expected because it bundles the specific version of a module and doesn't break because someone decides to "upgrade" a dependency?
linuksz i have no problems packaging perl 5 applications, but it's not perl6 18:14
why does it work for perl5?
mst I don't understand
raschipi perlpilot: The appropriate way to do it is to use stable distros.
mst there are plenty of alacryd-built packages in AUR
aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&am..._Search=Go
perlpilot raschipi: sure ... in a perfect world, that's true. We don't live in a perfect world :) 18:15
mst I would suggest that if you want to use arch, you actually use arch
linuksz all packages are alacryd-built
mst so what in that is "doesn't work" ?
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linuksz perlpilot, what happens if two applications wants to use the same module? 18:16
mst with bundling, you get two copies 18:18
without, you need centralised QA of revdeps before upgrade
perlpilot linuksz: um ... then they do so? I'm not saying this is the one true way to do things. I'm saying bundling specific versions is perfectly valid way to solve some problems.
mst right
I really don't understand what the problem's supposed to be here
perlpilot me either
linuksz but it uses more space, and file conflicts are possible 18:19
mst file conflicts are not possible
you keep the deps by the app
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pmurias geekosaur: why the hate for curl|sh? :) 18:23
mst geekosaur: note, I suspect the arch version of alacryd and the arch version of rakudo work fine together
geekosaur: and actually what we have here is a "manjaro is a shitshow" problem
raschipi The problem is having to upgrade something more than once using non-standard tools. 18:24
mst raschipi: eh?
raschipi Well, only someone supporting a multitude of applications would be annoyed by that problem, of course.
Anything that upgrades using something other than apt is a PITA.
mst ok, so, you appear to still be ranting at me, and I was talking about building .deb packages 18:25
so I'm rather confused now
mspo would it be reasonable for install-dist.pl to have an option to install the source files or create symlinks with meaningful names or something? :)
everyone is packaging!
perlpilot mspo: why do you want meaningful names? 18:26
mspo perlpilot: I don't know
raschipi I'm just thinking aloud, please don't be bothered.
perlpilot mspo: contrapuntally, I think that the lack of meaningful names discourages people from trying to edit them, which is a very good thing :-)
raschipi I can make my own packages if it comes to it, :). 18:27
mspo also is this install-perl6-dist a script?
perlpilot: I think it's more like a question of "what do I have installed" and "how can I use it?"
mst raschipi: so, basically, I often have more than one app on the same server, and sometimes they have incompatible module requirements, and perl6's CUR system is about the only thing that can handle that itself
raschipi: so I prefer bundling into a 'fat deb' and then rebuilding that if there's a problem 18:28
perlpilot mspo: zef can answer the first one and presumably, p6doc can answer the second.
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raschipi I understand, I just wish people would do it properly and don't require specific versions. Every developer thinks they are justified in doing it, yet it multiplies my workload thousandfold. 18:29
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kristoft Hi everyone 18:30
mst raschipi: how does this increase your workload? done right, it just means that after a nasty bug is fixed, apt-get upgrade upgrades both the system copy of the module and the copy in the fat deb 18:31
geekosaur this sounds like the "eaiser for all to not bound versions" <sandbagged by abi change> "whee glad that'll never happen again easier for all to not bound versions" 18:32
raschipi geekosaur: Everything is stable. 18:34
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raschipi mst: Would the package have new features added? 18:35
pmurias mst: re figure out your own answer for your own distro, wouldn't having a "package-this-up debian App::SomeRandomApp" script that does stuff sanely be something that the widely understood Perl 6 community should aim for? 18:36
geekosaur until yet another linux distribution comes up with yet another linux package format 18:37
nadim hi, I have sub my_sub(*@i, :$n, :$n2) ; my $i1 = 1, my $i2 = 2; my $n1 = :n1(100) ; my $n2 = :n2(200) ; my capture $c =\($i1, $i2, $n1, $n2) ; calling my_sub $c puts a Capture object in @i when I want the capture to be "expanded"
mst pmurias: there's already assorted tooling for this, but IME *debugging* such tooling requires learning the underlying stuff anyway
perlpilot nadim: my_sub |$c; # If I read you right 18:38
geekosaur nadim, |$c
iirc
mst raschipi: depends - but "this may force me to upgrade to a version with additional features" is something that can happen in unbundled packages too - often *more* often rather thanless
nadim wouldn't that just flatten the .list part of the capture?
zengargoyle .tell jnth ok so Git::Wrapper does some Git::Wrapper.HOW.add_method(Git::Wrapper, $method, anon method (*@p, *%n) { MOP magic that fails when it's inside a 'unit module Foo;' 18:40
yoleaux zengargoyle: I'll pass your message to jnth.
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zengargoyle wonders if it would work inside a class vs a module... 18:45
or if something MOPish changed that makes it not work.... 18:46
ah, i guess Git::Wrapper should maybe do 'no precompilation' or does that have to go in the thing that's using Git::Wrapper (which works). 18:50
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zengargoyle woot! 18:55
jnthn zengargoyle: Does it do that .add_method in a BEGIN block? 18:56
zengargoyle jnthn: no, in a for loop at the end of the class. class { methods.... for <blah> .add_method } 18:58
jnthn Ah
That'd be a bad idea :)
'cus it changes the object at runtime
zengargoyle github.com/nicqrocks/p6-Git-Wrappe...rapper.pm6
jnthn And those changes will get serialized into the module that uses this one 18:59
Then if two modules both use this one, then they'll end up with independent copies of those
And boom, two pre-comps you can't use together
zengargoyle yeah, it sorta makes sense now... not sure of best fix though..
jnthn Wrap the foor loop in a BEGIN block, preferably before the closing } of the class :)
Oh, sounds like the for already is in the class body 19:00
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jnthn In fact BEGIN takes a statement 19:00
zengargoyle yes. in the body.
jnthn So you can just s/for/BEGIN for/ and see how that helps :)
zengargoyle putting no precompilation worked, i'll try the begin thing.
jnthn: yep, BEGIN for works (or at least doesn't fail). jnthn++ 19:03
sadly the nicqrocks fork that's in the eco doesn't have an issues option... :( 19:05
mspo is there a reason star isn't using install-dist.pl instead of zef? 19:08
mst star bundles zef already 19:10
the point of install-dist was as a low level option when you didn't have zef or an equivalent yet
mspo I'm following along with build.opensuse.org/package/view_fi...c?expand=1
star uses perl6 zef --/build-depends --/test-depends --/depends --/p6c 19:11
--/metacpan --/cpan --force install ./modules$path_sep$module;
right?
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zengargoyle .tell jeromelanteri the Git::Wrapper thing has been solved! i made pull-request on Git::Wrapper with the fix. 19:14
yoleaux zengargoyle: I'll pass your message to jeromelanteri.
mspo how predictable are precomp names? I was just trying to install zef using someone's package and got different precomp names 19:15
his : precomp/9AD391BB028FBF86169E02934A6181BA21049736.1497985253.01802/FE/FE48D13883ACBA2CF35E1746EEFE956A173BE8AE.repo-id 19:16
mine: precomp/6C3B1056A15F23B58ED8A7017D2C24B8F7524EB2.1501209729.51376/FE/FE48D13883ACBA2CF35E1746EEFE956A173BE8AE.repo-id
it's just the first part!
that middle part is a timestamp so that's not going to be good :) 19:18
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mspo nine: any hints? 19:23
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mspo or maybe I should try -toolchain? 19:37
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revere Is there a camel book for 6 yet? Or some WIP? 19:45
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timotimo not a camel book, but other books 19:50
perl6book.com/
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revere That chart looks like what I'm looking for, thanks timotimo 20:03
timotimo cool 20:04
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nine mspo: yes, -toolchain is the best place as I follow that in full. Sort of answered the question there :) 20:17
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timotimo why did nobody force me to look at the Terminal::Print examples 20:32
there's fantastic stuff in there
ab5tract++
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nadim I am going to force you to look at Data::Dump::Tree then! 20:54
timotimo that's a different kind fo fantastic stuff 20:55
nadim next version as :flat control, here is an example of a dump done by dd, ddt, and ddt in normal vertical mode nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1160097 20:56
nadim will look at Termina::Print examples again 20:57
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timotimo that looks neat how it puts things into columns 21:00
nadim took most of this week to implement 21:01
it's neater than it looks like, you can say things like ddt $my_stuf, :flat( Hash, sub($s){ $s ~~ Array && $s.elems > 30), $something_want_flat) 21:03
timotimo ah so a decider function so to say?
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nadim and it will flatten all hashes, all your arrays that have 30 elements or more, and the stuff you want flattened 21:03
yes 21:04
put you can say :flat(0) and first level get flattened
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timotimo what's the ... for? 21:04
oh because it's a seq
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nadim you can do multi colums also like this nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1160098 21:06
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nadim Seq of 11 elements in that case, you can control the amount displayed 21:06
zengargoyle .ask jeromelanteri was it you who wanted TagBar config for perl6? gist.github.com/77f253d6d721e4b628...5321b31e9f 21:07
yoleaux zengargoyle: I'll pass your message to jeromelanteri.
nadim timotimo: its also does references, something I miss in dd
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zengargoyle or if anybody else has a better tagbar config... :) 21:07
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nadim timotimo: maybe I shoud have "... +n" to show how many more elements, although how many elements are in the header 21:09
coetry_ Interesting discussion on HN regarding concurrency primitives in Perl6: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14854...rm=comment 21:10
timotimo both would be fine
nadim the number of element is already in the header. .Seq(32) or .Seq(*) 21:11
timotimo yes 21:13
i mean either keep it only in the header or put it on the bottom as well
both choices are fine with me
coetry_: seen it, thanks :)
nadim I like Hashes even more nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1160099 21:14
timotimo yeah, not bad 21:15
coetry_ timotimo++
nadim but it must be seen in color, black and white takes half the legibility away
coetry_ ++timotimo
timotimo coetry_: i believe one or two of our channel inhabitants commented, too
coetry_ oh sorry, havn't seen the logs 21:16
timotimo i mean commented on hackernews itself
coetry_ ahh i see
timotimo at least raiph has 11 comments
coetry_ looking up right now
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timotimo i also see b2gills in there 21:17
nadim imgur.com/Hfhiouw and then I stop spamming
coetry_ what does TIMTOWTDIBSCINABTE stand for? 21:18
nadim Honestly, one has to be a smi God to read dd's output if it is more thana a few lines. Although dd is invaluable. 21:19
geekosaur There Is More Than One Way To Do It
timotimo more than one way to do it, but sometimes consistency is not a bad thing either
coetry_ timotimo, yeah i was looking for that last part. cool.
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nadim timotimo: I mixed Terminal::Print and something else :), yes Terminal::Print is cool, maybe Ii should use that instead for Curses. 22:08
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timotimo perhaps 22:13
i think i'm going to use it for p6profiler-tui 22:14
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nadim timotimo: looking forward to that! I need a profiler and a debugger. Btw, is the debugger working now? it was broken some times ago. 22:37
timotimo it works right now 22:38
not necessarily if you have multiple threads active
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nadim I will check it up 23:18
when an object is but'ed with a role that has an attribute, where is the attribute found? 23:22
found them! 23:26
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