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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
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ckraniak Blob one might help, but I think the union approach is solid enough for now. Maybe 00:20
For the other, I'm off to read about the details of the ABI and whatnot
timotimo best of luck! 00:23
lookatme o/
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AlexDaniel lizmat: I dunno. Buggable is actually not part of whateverable. Filed it here: github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-buggable/issues/15 00:50
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timotimo m: say %*ENV.keys.grep(/DEPRE/) 01:16
camelia (RAKUDO_NO_DEPRECATIONS)
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timotimo m: BEGIN { %*ENV<RAKUDO_NO_DEPRECATIONS>:delete }; say ["hi"].&to-json 01:16
camelia [
"hi"
]
Saw 1 occurrence of deprecated code.
================================================================================
Sub to-json (from GLOBAL) seen at:
SETTING::src/core/Mu.pm, line 792
Please use JSON::Fast, JSON::Tiny or …
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timotimo ^- points at the wrong location, shouldn't point at Mu.pm 01:16
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timotimo m: say <hi there <howdy>> 01:27
camelia (hi there <howdy>)
timotimo m: use Test; cmp-ok ["hi", "ho", "<howdy>"], "~~", <hi ho <howdy>>; 01:29
camelia ok 1 -
timotimo how am i causing this problem ...
m: use Test; cmp-ok ["hi", "ho", "<howdy>", "<howdy again>"], "~~", <hi ho <howdy>>; 01:30
camelia not ok 1 -
# Failed test at <tmp> line 1
# expected: ("hi", "ho", "<howdy>")
# matcher: 'infix:<~~>'
# got: ["hi", "ho", "<howdy>", "<howdy again>"]
timotimo locally i'm getting "Value of type List uselessly passed to val()"
m: my @expected = < hello goodbye <lol> >; 01:35
camelia ( no output )
timotimo m: my @expected = < read outermost_sub <mainline> >;
camelia ( no output )
timotimo m: my @expected = < read outermost_sub <mainline> >; say @expected
camelia [read outermost_sub <mainline>]
timotimo literally all i have to do locally is that?
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AlexDaniel u: 🙅🏻 01:56
unicodable6 AlexDaniel, U+1F645 FACE WITH NO GOOD GESTURE [So] (🙅)
AlexDaniel, U+1F3FB EMOJI MODIFIER FITZPATRICK TYPE-1-2 [Sk] (🏻)
AlexDaniel, U+FEFF ZERO WIDTH NO-BREAK SPACE [Cf] (control character)
AlexDaniel hey unicodable6, that's no the right order… care to sleep a bit between messages?
mspo 🙅 is a weird emoji on osx 01:57
very anime
AlexDaniel mspo: the first one? emojipedia.org/face-with-no-good-gesture/ 01:58
mspo both, really
but the first one is blonde
AlexDaniel compose compose ( ) N G 01:59
(for those using kragen/xcompose) 02:00
mspo AlexDaniel: I like the MS one kind of looks like an octopus 02:01
for win 10
AlexDaniel haha
I love it anyway. So expressive 02:02
mspo the rest... where the f are those arms coming from? especially twitter
...women with legs-for-arms saying "NO"
🛍 <- stupid 02:03
AlexDaniel I can't tell what it is… 02:04
u: 🛍
unicodable6 AlexDaniel, U+1F6CD SHOPPING BAGS [So] (🛍)
mspo 🕴️ get with it
seriously considering changing my custom-uploaded :hankhill: to 🕴️ on slack for work 02:05
🕴️🕴️🕴️🕴️🕴️🕴️
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mspo u: 🏩 02:11
unicodable6 mspo, U+1F3E9 LOVE HOTEL [So] (🏩)
mspo why?!
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AlexDaniel mspo: “Love hotels have enough cultural significance to be added to the first addition of emojis in unicode 6.0.” 02:28
mspo japan has an outsized infuence 02:29
influence
AlexDaniel u: U+FE4BE
unicodable6 AlexDaniel, U+FE4BE <Plane 15 Private Use-FE4BE> [Co] (󾒾)
AlexDaniel u: U+1F3EF
unicodable6 AlexDaniel, U+1F3EF JAPANESE CASTLE [So] (🏯)
AlexDaniel ↑ that's also like a few codepoints apart 02:30
mspo japanese post office 02:36
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TEttinger emoji, from the japanese word moji and the english word emotion... 03:22
I can imagine why Japanese culture has an outsized influence, since their cell carriers were the first standardizers 03:23
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AlexDaniel personally I'm not worried about extra symbols that we might not need potentially 03:41
it's the lack of things that drives me crazy :)
TEttinger U+31337 SIGN FOR DISAPPROVAL OF UNICODE 03:47
Guest53808 lol
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TEttinger have we gotten past 3 * (65536) yet in codepoints? 03:48
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adu <3 perl6 04:12
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ckraniak Got WriteConsoleOutput working, did both the CHAR_INFO and the COORDs as unions with DWORDS and that did it 05:04
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moritz \o 06:01
AlexDaniel o/ 06:08
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DrForr .tell El_Che Need eyes on the FOSDEM bio - boss doesn't like my explanation. 09:41
ENOBOT? 09:43
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masak moritz: I just read this one and thought about you: thestyleofelements.org/the-art-of-...878d0bff80 10:14
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Ulti any protips on debugging a MAIN signature? 10:35
as in trying to discover why its constantly only ever throwing up the usage
moritz masak: I also thought of myself when reading that post :-) 10:37
masak :) 10:38
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moritz one thing that I find crucial is to not hide information in error messages, when available 10:39
but otherwise, very nice post 10:40
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jast "Something went wrong, code -1" 10:50
moritz "Cannot read /etc/foo" vs "Cannot read /etc/foo: Permission Denied" 10:52
this level, for example 10:53
jast "This shouldn't happen"
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jast let's not make it too straightforward... "Cannot read file: Address already in use" 10:54
masak I once read a thing about an FTP client that had the worst error message ever, where not knowing the terminology would make the user *horrified* 10:55
the error was something like: "Error when running process: child killed"
jast you mean like git's messages about detached HEAD? :) 10:56
masak the "detached HEAD" thing always makes me think of Nearly Headless Nick in Harry Potter
I do wonder whether, had it had a much milder term, the very verbose message would also have have been less panicky 10:57
jast that's semi-detached you seem to be thinking about 10:58
git semi-detach --hinge HEAD
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masak :) 10:59
recently I've come to think of Git branches as laundry labels, and HEAD as the pointy-bubbly you-are-here symbol from Google Maps 11:00
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moritz mixed metaphors, but not bad :-) 11:05
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jast they're more like post-its... easy to move 11:10
and HEAD is the post-it on a post-it (when it's not detached)
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lizmat turned out "mi6 upload" didn't work because I had a space after my login name in the .pause file 11:29
DrForr Gotta love paste-os. 11:34
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lizmat thanks to Andreas Koenig diggin in the error log, if was quickly determine what the problem was 11:42
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lizmat *determined 11:48
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lizmat handling the subtle difference between: 13:14
foo => { ... }
and:
"foo" => { ... }
the former being a named parameter, and the latter being a Pair positional 13:15
jnthn Only in argument lists, but yes :)
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moritz masak: speaking of fast-and-loose thinking, there's a nice way to solve differential equations 13:53
say, dy/dx = x 13:54
as somebody who studied physics, I'm allowed to tear apart the differentials
and have dy = x dx
and then I slap an integral sign on both sides, and I'm good
timotimo i remember that
moritz mathemticians have... qualms with that method 13:55
masak moritz: there's half a dozen of "rules of thumb" like that, where doing the obvious thing with differentials actually works and has good rationales behind it 13:56
moritz: I think the reason there's even hesitation around that (and the reason you mention qualms) is that infinitesimals were at one point shown not to be rigorous in some ways
but -- and I'm not able to back this up with proof -- they are often rigorous enough for the rules of thumb to work 13:57
moritz masak: a prof I asked about this said there that you needed to proof certain properties of the solution function first to separate the differentials 13:59
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moritz needs to be continuous, or something like that 13:59
geekosaur don't learn your math from physics. mathematicians faint when they see renormalization >.>
moritz "and in physics, it always works" was the next sentence
masak :)
I'm studying complex analysis in my off hours again. it's so beautiful.
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masak it's beautiful enough that you can do analysis on the complex numbers. but the results in it are beautiful, too. 14:00
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moritz always liked en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy%27s_i...al_formula 14:02
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masak ah, yes. "all the vitamins and minerals are in the peel of the orange." :P 14:03
huf ! :D
moritz and even in an infinitely small peel! 14:04
masak those are the best peels
masak .oO( some of my best peels are infinitely thin ) 14:05
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harmaahylje moritz: are you here? 14:43
moritz harmaahylje: on and off
harmaahylje can I pm you 14:44
moritz if it's something personal, sure 14:45
Perl 6 stuff is better discussed here
harmaahylje it is about logs irclog.perlgeek.de, but it seems that the link in topic (colabti.org) might have what I need 14:46
Geth ecosystem: 64ab0b3924 | (Shoichi Kaji)++ | META.list
remove skaji/perl6-CPAN-Uploader-Tiny; it's now on CPAN
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fix typo
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/traps
[Coke] I wonder if there's a way for git log to show me that I committed it using the web editor 16:42
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show example output from DateTime.nolw
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/DateTime
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novalinium I'm trying to use slurp on a captured output pipe from run, and I'm getting "Invocant of method 'slurp' must be an object instance of type 'IO::Handle', not a type object of type 'IO::Pipe'." I thought that IO::Pipe inherits from IO::Handle? 19:34
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show more examples
timotimo novalinium: it probably does, but you've got a type object there, not an instance 19:35
novalinium Can you point me at documentation for the difference? Minimal example of my syntax at ix.io/DON 19:37
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timotimo well, you're trying to call slurp on an undefined object 19:38
m: my IO::Handle $handle; say $handle.slurp
camelia IO::Handle is disallowed in restricted setting
in sub restricted at src/RESTRICTED.setting line 1
in method FALLBACK at src/RESTRICTED.setting line 31
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo oh, well, camelia doesn't allow IO::Handle at all 19:39
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novalinium Ah, that helped! Dropped a variable in a refactor, tyty! 19:39
timotimo that code works on my end, too 19:40
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timotimo OK 19:40
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novalinium Sorry for the time sink 19:41
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timotimo no problem 19:44
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AlexDaniel e: my IO::Handle $handle; say $handle.slurp 21:31
evalable6 (exit code 1) Invocant of method 'slurp' must be an object instance of type 'IO::Handle', not a type object of type 'IO::Handle'. Did you forget a '.new'?
in block <unit> at /tmp/gAxi5PhZlL line 1
AlexDaniel timotimo: evalable6 does :)
timotimo right 21:34
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pmurias if I'm borrowing/adapting code from an open source library for nqp.js how should I do it copywrite wise? 21:36
moritz stackoverflow.com/questions/481458...-in-mixins I seem to recall that this (using a parameterized role inside a parameterized role) simply isn't supported 21:37
am I right? does anybody got a reference?
pmurias license of the stuff I'm basing my implementation on: github.com/ashtuchkin/iconv-lite/b...er/LICENSE
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lizmat pmurias: make sure that the copyright message is included in the copyright message of NQP-js 21:39
possibly referring to which parts 21:40
the MIT license is really free
pmurias lizmat: by copyright message you mean the LICENSE file? 21:46
lizmat yep
subject to the following conditions: The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be 21:47
included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
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lizmat and another Perl 6 Weekly hits the Net: p6weekly.wordpress.com/2018/01/08/...m-nearing/ 21:51
Juerd \o/
I won't be going to fosdem this year 21:52
To those who are: have fun :)
moritz lizmat++ 21:54
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AlexDaniel reportable6: list 22:15
reportable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/ec12f13c951d88e2dd...f9760e67bf
AlexDaniel reportable6: 2018-01-01T00:00:00Z 2018-01-08T00:00:00Z
reportable6 AlexDaniel, OK, working on it! This may take up to 40 seconds
AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/b21cf622ff66fe897d...32ff375f18 22:16
lizmat AlexDaniel: will do the number of tickets info again next week
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AlexDaniel lizmat: well, hopefully most readers will know about this page eventually github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Ticket-updates 22:18
lizmat yup, I linked to it several times already, I think. Well at least once :-)
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AlexDaniel u: ⏳⌛ 22:58
unicodable6 AlexDaniel, U+23F3 HOURGLASS WITH FLOWING SAND [So] (⏳)
AlexDaniel, U+231B HOURGLASS [So] (⌛)
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Zoffix lizmat++ good weekly 23:10
ennio good evening perl6! 23:11
Zoffix lizmat: some errata, if you wish to make corrections: "which also include a check on definedness" I don't think I added that; I made Int:D(...) coercers parse as coercers (they used to parse as just smileys). 23:12
AlexDaniel c: HEAD gist.githubusercontent.com/COMBORI...tfile1.txt
committable6 AlexDaniel, Successfully fetched the code from the provided URL.
AlexDaniel, ¦HEAD(14c2cdb): «04===SORRY!04=== Error while compiling /tmp/zIpxP4dFOD␤Variable '$raw' is not declared␤at /tmp/zIpxP4dFOD:14␤------> 03sub seconds ( 08⏏04$raw )␤ «exit code = 1»»
Zoffix lizmat: and Jeremy Studer made negated chained operators work correctly. They used to give different results. The perf was actually lost and will need to be remade again
ennio quick info: I just published a perl6 language extension for visual studio code 23:13
marketplace.visualstudio.com/items....perl6-lsp
Zoffix Well, the coercers have a check on definedness sometimes, but it's kinda broken 'cause the code used just uses the general knob for definedness 23:14
m: -> Int:D(Any:U) { }(Any)
camelia Parameter '<anon>' of routine '<anon>' must be an object instance of type 'Any:U', not a type object of type 'Any'. Did you forget a '.new'?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Zoffix ennio++ sweet
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Zoffix god that stackoverflow developer survey is long AF 23:23
This one; if you want to list you want to see Perl 6 in the list next year: stackoverflow.az1.qualtrics.com/jf...erflow.com
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Zoffix That was ridiculous. Just clicked random things for 2nd 3rd of the survey. I imagine I'm not the only one and their data is biased. 23:27
gfldex that's why it is called a "survey" 23:28
Zoffix Travis chimed in on our rakudo linux failures; tho so far only asked if we're still experiencing them: twitter.com/travisci/status/950463103464067073 23:29
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AlexDaniel lol it asks if I'm skipping meals to be productive 23:34
yet the survey is so freaking long and boring
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jnthn Goodness, what a long survey 23:40
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timotimo it is 23:50
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