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| Kaiepi | this isn't so much a perl question, but just a general programming question | 00:55 | |
| i have a native struct class that has some ucs4 string members hastebin.com/zoxebisalu.rb | 00:56 | ||
| would it be a good idea to have start and end methods in it to convert them to utf8 strings to make it easier to view them? | |||
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| timotimo | hm, if we had ucs4 support in core, you could just define those as Str with "is encoded" | 00:57 | |
| Kaiepi | yeah, problem is there isn't | ||
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| timotimo | in theory you can write your own; i'm not sure if nativecall would actually use that properly yet | ||
| Kaiepi | the library i'm writing this for has stringprep_ucs4_to_utf8, which can do it for me | 00:59 | |
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| Kaiepi | s/do/convert/ | 00:59 | |
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| ZzZombo | m: say 0/0+2.0 | 01:43 | |
| camelia | Attempt to divide by zero using div in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| ZzZombo | m: say <0/0>+2.0 | 01:44 | |
| camelia | Attempt to divide by zero using div in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| ZzZombo | eh | ||
| Can I make that return `NaN` instead? | |||
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| Zoffix | ZzZombo: yes, use Num view | 01:48 | |
| m: say Num(<0/0>+2.0) | |||
| camelia | NaN | ||
| Zoffix | m: <0/0>+2.0 andthen .say orelse .Num.say | ||
| camelia | Attempt to divide by zero using div in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| Zoffix | Right | 01:48 | |
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| Zoffix | m: .denominator and .say or .Num.say for <0/0>, <-1/0>, <1/0>, 42.0 | 01:49 | |
| camelia | NaN -Inf Inf 42 |
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| Zoffix | m: .denominator and .say or .Num.say for <0/0>, <-1/0>, <1/0>, 42.42 | 01:49 | |
| camelia | NaN -Inf Inf 42.42 |
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| Zoffix | .ask pmichaud do you got Rakudo's logo in vector or at least high-res format? This one rakudo.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/20...o-1001.png | 01:56 | |
| yoleaux | Zoffix: I'll pass your message to pmichaud. | ||
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| Geth | rakudo.org: 8885cb614e | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 8 files Sketch rudimentary web app |
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| AlexDaniel | Zoffix: in case the answer is “no”, maybe a traced version will do: gist.github.com/AlexDaniel/101afd7...72cc4e5c50 | 02:07 | |
| the glyphs don't look quite right but in small size it looks ok and it can scale up to reasonable limits | 02:08 | ||
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| Zoffix | Thanks. I also see some guy placed a large one into our marketing repo: github.com/perl6/marketing/blob/ma...x-3000.png | 02:24 | |
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| Geth | rakudo.org: 8b7e575a33 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | .gitignore Remove duplicate entry |
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| Zoffix | AlexDaniel: …but thanks for the nightmares :) i.imgur.com/nQDsjDd.png | 02:37 | |
| ZofBot: are nightmares scarrier than nightstallions? | 02:38 | ||
| ZofBot | Zoffix, Then heard Father shutting the door of the van | ||
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| llfourn | weekly: Using Perl 6 to create a coin flipping game with discrete logarithms: medium.com/unraveling-the-ouroboro...1c563d38d2 | 02:49 | |
| notable6 | llfourn, Noted! | ||
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| Zoffix | So, for rakudo.org, 99% of posts are release announcements. I'm going as far back as 2015/11/28, up to and including "Announce: Rakudo Star Release 2015.11 (now in beta!)" and copying the stuff to new stuff. For earlier release announcements, I'll add rewrites to point to release notes on github. Everything else (there are a couple of ancient posts) I'm leaving behind. | 03:36 | |
| s/new stuff/new site/; | |||
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| Geth | rakudo.org: 0593da6703 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 8 files Implement basic CSS/JS |
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| Zoffix | My kitty doesn't approve of my haxorin' imgur.com/a/vxIWb | 03:59 | |
| I think she's planning something… if you don't hear from me tomorrow, call the police... | |||
| Kaiepi | i love how easy it is to write c/c++ wrappers and how you can give methods and properties the same name so i can do stuff like this hastebin.com/pasokoxiji.rb | 04:00 | |
| doing this in node this would require several different files and be complex as hell | 04:01 | ||
| and would require a Makefile and compiling on npm install | 04:02 | ||
| i don't have to do any of that in perl | |||
| Zoffix | :) | 04:03 | |
| Geth | doc: titsuki++ created pull request #1840: Add index for FAQ |
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| doc: d2afbd8a48 | (Itsuki Toyota)++ | doc/Language/faq.pod6 Capitalize some keywords |
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| doc: fcee374aef | (Itsuki Toyota)++ | doc/Language/faq.pod6 Add some indices for FAQ |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/faq | ||
| doc: c856a55288 | (Itsuki Toyota)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/faq.pod6 Merge pull request #1840 from titsuki/add-index Add index for FAQ |
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| Kaiepi | this is a great language | 04:05 | |
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| Zoffix | \o/ | 04:06 | |
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| Kaiepi | m: use NativeCall; my @foo := CArray[Pointer[int32]].new; say @foo.WHAT | 04:19 | |
| camelia | (CArray[Pointer) | ||
| Kaiepi | shouldn't that be (CArray[Pointer[int32]]) ? | ||
| Zoffix | yeah | 04:22 | |
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| Zoffix | hahahaha | 04:35 | |
| Commit that last touched that part of code reads: "Hacky fix for RT #131406 | Assuming we will never get something more complicated than foo[bar]" :) | |||
| synopsebot | RT#131406 [resolved]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=131406 Bug in Perl6::Metamodel::Naming method set_name. `CArray[Pointer].^shortname` returns 'Pointer]'; should be 'CArray[Pointer]' | ||
| Zoffix | Needs a fixin' in this algo somewhere: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/2652...nqp#L5-L24 | 04:36 | |
| Filed as R#1606 | 04:37 | ||
| synopsebot | R#1606 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1606 [LHF] Wrong output of in CArray.^shortname | ||
| Kaiepi | lol | 04:38 | |
| that looks like something i might be able to fix | |||
| i'll have a go at it | 04:39 | ||
| Zoffix | Go for it :) | ||
| Kaiepi: note the .nqp extension of the file. It doesn't have full Perl 6 language available there. You can find docs for NQP ops here: github.com/perl6/nqp/blob/master/d...s.markdown | 04:40 | ||
| Kaiepi | thanks | ||
| Zoffix | (and you can test stuff by running `nqp some-file-with-nqp-code.nqp`; will be faster than recompiling entire rakudo each time) | 04:41 | |
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| Kaiepi | i'm required to use := in nqp, right? | 04:42 | |
| Zoffix | Right | 04:43 | |
| And parentheses are required on subroutine calls. | |||
| huggable: internals course | |||
| huggable | Zoffix, Rakudo/NQP Internals Course: github.com/edumentab/rakudo-and-nq...s-workshop | ||
| Zoffix | ^ some general info on NQP/guts | ||
| Kaiepi | m: use nqp; my @foo := nqp::split('[', 'CArray[Pointer[int32]]'); nqp::for(@foo, { .say }) | 04:58 | |
| camelia | ===SORRY!=== The 'for' op expects a block as its second operand, got QAST::Op |
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| Kaiepi | how do i make a block? | 04:59 | |
| Zoffix | nqp: my @foo := nqp::split('[', 'CArray[Pointer[int32]]'); for @foo { say($_) } | 05:00 | |
| camelia | CArray Pointer int32]] |
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| Kaiepi | oh | ||
| lol | |||
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| Zoffix | m: use NativeCall; my \p := CArray; my \t := Pointer[int32]; say "{p.^name}[{t.^name}]" | 05:03 | |
| camelia | NativeCall::Types::CArray[NativeCall::Types::Pointer[int32]] | ||
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| Kaiepi | is it fine to use regex for nqp stuff? | 05:10 | |
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| Zoffix | Kaiepi: yeah, but it might be faster not to | 05:12 | |
| Kaiepi | hm | ||
| Zoffix | .oO( recursion ) |
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| Kaiepi | actually i don't need regex since only the last element of @names will have ] in it at all | 05:13 | |
| wait, it's possible for a role like Foo[Bar[Int], Bar[Int]] to exist right? | 05:15 | ||
| Zoffix | yeah, prolly | 05:18 | |
| Kaiepi | hm this might be tough | 05:19 | |
| Zoffix | m: my Callable[Int] %h{Callable[Int]}; dd %h | 05:20 | |
| camelia | Hash[Callable[Int],Callable[Int]] %h = (my Callable[Int] %{Callable[Int]}) | ||
| Kaiepi | m: role Foo[::T] {}; role Bar[::T1, ::T2] {}; Foo[Bar[Foo[Int], Foo[Int]].new | 05:22 | |
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Unable to parse expression in type parameter; couldn't find final ']' (corresponding starter was at line 1) at <tmp>:1 ------> 3:T2] {}; Foo[Bar[Foo[Int], Foo[Int]].new7⏏5<EOL> |
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| Kaiepi | m: role Foo[::T] {}; role Bar[::T1, ::T2] {}; Foo[Bar[Foo[Int], Foo[Int]]].new | ||
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
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| Zoffix | m: role Foo[::T] {}; role Bar[::T1, ::T2] {}; Foo[Bar[Foo[Int], Foo[Int]]].new.say | 05:24 | |
| camelia | Foo[Bar[Foo[Int],Foo[Int]]].new | ||
| Zoffix | Kaiepi: but feel free to use a regex. $non-buggy > $performance | 05:36 | |
| And likely isn't a method that's called very often | |||
| Kaiepi | i still need to test, but i might've worked out a way to do it without regex | 05:37 | |
| Zoffix | cool | 05:38 | |
| m: role Foo::Bar::Ber[\T] {}; my Foo::Bar::Ber[Foo::Bar::Ber[int32]] %h{Foo::Bar::Ber[int32]}; use Test; is-deeply %h.^shortname, 'Hash[Ber[Ber[int32]],Ber[int32]]' | 05:41 | ||
| camelia | not ok 1 - # Failed test at <tmp> line 1 # expected: "Hash[Ber[Ber[int32]],Ber[int32]]" # got: "Hash[Ber" |
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| Zoffix | (prolly a test that can cover the bug) | ||
| Kaiepi | never mind, i'll need a regex for this | 05:46 | |
| i'll get something working tomorrow | 05:47 | ||
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| Zoffix | don't look like you need a regex for that one tho | 06:39 | |
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| Zoffix | nqp: gist.github.com/zoffixznet/da3b0ce...f8483b2f05 | 06:41 | |
| camelia | CArray[int32] CArray[Pointer[int32]] Hash[Ber[Ber[int32]],Ber[int32]] |
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| Zoffix | .tell Kaiepi not 100% sure, but this seems to do the trick, without regexes: gist.github.com/zoffixznet/da3b0ce...f8483b2f05 | 06:42 | |
| yoleaux | Zoffix: I'll pass your message to Kaiepi. | ||
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| Zoffix | Well, it took only a year for me to notice I duplicated the title on this post -_- rakudo.org/2017/03/18/lexical-requi...rade-info/ | 07:14 | |
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| Geth | rakudo.org: 5897969b62 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 27 files Migrate all the blog posts we want to keep |
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| Geth | rakudo.org: be6a1d68ed | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 4 files Add About Page |
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| moritz | Zoffix++ # rakudo.org migration | 08:23 | |
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| fatguy | is it safe if i have multiple supply interval using whenever block each modifying same object attribute initiated from main block ? | 09:38 | |
| i tried, looks ok, the reason is i'm doing sql statement in each whenever block, i'm scare if it's executing the wrong statement | 09:40 | ||
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| Geth | doc: 6caabd4053 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Mu.pod6 Minor error fixed #561 |
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| doc: 60f7db140b | (JJ Merelo)++ | 6 files Merge branch 'master' of github.com:perl6/doc |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Mu | ||
| doc: 39b5967817 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/functions.pod6 Clarification on single and double dashes And how the signature works. Hopefully, this closes #1595 |
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| El_Che | has someone still ties to the pony project? Spammer insterted links on top en on the bottom menu: www.poniecode.org/ | 10:10 | |
| moritz | there is no pony project anymore, afaict | 10:18 | |
| El_Che | I know, but someone has the keys to the page. He/she may be here | 10:19 | |
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| TEttinger | El_Che: that redirects me to a shady drug selling site | 10:34 | |
| El_Che | 11:32 < xenu> El_Che: i've investigated a bit and it looks like it was *not* hacked | ||
| 11:32 < xenu> some spammer bought the domain in 2008 | |||
| 11:33 < xenu> and reinstated the old website with spamlinks | |||
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| Geth | doc: c5f48a87d9 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/CurrentThreadScheduler.pod6 Fixes fragment refs #561 #162 |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/type/CurrentThreadScheduler | ||
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| Geth | doc: titsuki++ created pull request #1841: Add a Q and A about Rakudo Star release cycle |
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| Geth | doc: 5d3cc87a4d | (Itsuki Toyota)++ | doc/Language/faq.pod6 Add a Q and A about Rakudo Star release cycle |
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| rashadulxslam | hi, can someone please help me with example and link "how to create a pidgin plugin which will take unix command as input and sendIM as output to the user" | 12:43 | |
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| moritz | rashadulxslam: is this some kind of homework assignment? | 12:51 | |
| rashadulxslam | moritz: yes | 12:55 | |
| El_Che | rashadulxslam: have a look at libpurple | 12:56 | |
| rashadulxslam | El_Che: already working on libpurple but hard to get such example | ||
| El_Che | that's why homework is fun | 12:59 | |
| Work from there: developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Scripting...%20Plugins | |||
| and have a look at the source of simple plugins here: developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ThirdPartyPlugins | |||
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| rashadulxslam | El_Che: yes already working on those plugins - need some simple example :) | 13:04 | |
| which i mentioned in my question | |||
| moritz | nobody is going to do your homework for you | 13:07 | |
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| rashadulxslam | moritz: thats why asking for some reading notes and perhaps some great examples | 13:08 | |
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| tadzik | well, you may have more luck asking on some pidgin-related channel | 13:09 | |
| rashadulxslam | tadzik: let me copy the question before make a mark leaving the channel - thank you moritz and El_Che | 13:13 | |
| :) | |||
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| El_Che | rashadulxslam may not get his degree but he has a bruight future at Google... searching | 13:17 | |
| is (s)he applies him/her self | |||
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| moritz | searching isn't googles speciality; finding is :-) | 13:18 | |
| El_Che | :) | 13:21 | |
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| pmurias | moritz: aren't they writing military drone software now too? (So it's likely they will be doing some search & destroy software) | 13:50 | |
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| moritz | pmurias: yes :( | 14:26 | |
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| hahainternet | it's google or it's someone else | 14:49 | |
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| cfa | morning | 15:08 | |
| El_Che | hahainternet: that's what the murderer, the rapist and the bank executive all say | 15:11 | |
| hahainternet | is it? i don't really intend to get into an argument, but i wasn't trying to excuse any actions or imply anything | 15:12 | |
| gfldex | El_Che: that can't be true. Top management does not know nor understand the intarwebs! | ||
| El_Che | :) | ||
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| cfa | so, i've drafted documentation for `module {}`: | 15:45 | |
| gist.github.com/cfa/c13eb9e89e6a5f...7d3d3a702f | |||
| considering creating a new p6doc page named 'Module Packages' and linking there from Packages, Modules | |||
| any objections, suggestions for better placement? | |||
| also please let me know if there're objections to the draft itself | 15:46 | ||
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| mspo | mst: hey do you think fatpack could handle this? github.com/bugzilla/harmony | 15:49 | |
| mst: it's a ridiculous project of course as it seems to not use any of the newer web frameworks | 15:50 | ||
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| dylanwh | mspo: that's my rediculous project, I'll have you know. :-) | 16:05 | |
| we have a non-trivial number of XS dependencies. | 16:07 | ||
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| moritz | if any of the usual docs contributors could give cfa some feedback, that would be awesome! | 16:16 | |
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| moritz | where are lizmat or Zoffix when you need them? or JJ? | 16:16 | |
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| El_Che | moritz: they are having a party without you :) | 16:18 | |
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| mst | dylanwh: would be interesting to see how many of those have alternatives | 16:27 | |
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| cfa | here're the proposed additions, changes to doc: | 16:29 | |
| github.com/cfa/doc/commit/3f64eb | |||
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| dylanwh | mst: I know the alternative for Taint::Util but I need that path to be very fast. :) | 16:32 | |
| mst | my general solution to that sort of problem is to introduce a validation barrier and defenestrate taint mode | 16:33 | |
| I'm aware that's probably not a practical option for you, mind | |||
| dylanwh | I'm keen to reove it, but that will wait 'til after I have a usable 6.0 release | 16:39 | |
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| Geth | doc: 084db9cd09 | (Steve Mynott)++ | doc/Language/faq.pod6 star releases are usually quarterly and there haven't been monthly releases for a long time |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/faq | ||
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| lichtkind | co | 17:14 | |
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| stmuk | lichtkind: RCS user? :) | 17:30 | |
| lichtkind | what you mean? co was just typo i looked for colomon | 17:31 | |
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| dmaestro | What is the equivalent in p6doc to: perldoc -m Installed::Module ? | 17:33 | |
| Best thing I have found so far is to parse the output of zef locate and start a pager myself | 17:38 | ||
| Shouldn't there be a common tool for that? | |||
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| stmuk | lichtkind: it was a joke "co" was a RCS command | 17:39 | |
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| lichtkind | pierre__ cheers | 17:40 | |
| dmaestro | stmuk: I got it :-D | ||
| lichtkind | pierre__ started reading the tracker | 17:41 | |
| dmaestro | On another note, I need a *working* example for Crust using middleware | 17:43 | |
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| dmaestro | The example in the README apparently is not *supposed* to be working, but I haven't been able to make it work. | 17:44 | |
| Based on the explanation given ... | |||
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| Zoffix | moritz: I was sleeping :) | 17:46 | |
| Also, I don't know anything about modules. | |||
| cfa | :) | 17:47 | |
| Zoffix | cfa: I'd suggest creating a PR instead of a gist and then pinging niner and ugexe on that PR asking for review | ||
| cfa | it's no longer a gist; see the above (fork) commit | 17:48 | |
| but sure, that sounds good | |||
| just about to push a version that passes xt/examples-compilation.t | |||
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| Geth | doc: cfa++ created pull request #1842: Document module packages |
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| cfa | there we go | 18:03 | |
| and now, groceries! | |||
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| Pilu | how can I fill in a shell prompt from a script? | 18:31 | |
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| AlexDaniel | Pilu: perhaps you should just pass something to stdin of the program you're trying to run? Do you have any code already? | 18:34 | |
| timotimo | by prompt do you mean the symbols it puts in front of your cursor? | ||
| like path, username, and a $ or # or > or something? | |||
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| Pilu | I want to push a repository using git | 19:11 | |
| it asks me for username and password | |||
| El_Che | Pilu: use ssh or have a look at git config | 19:12 | |
| Pilu | so it can't be done with perl? | 19:13 | |
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| El_Che | shure it can, but it's a reinventing the wheel kind of thing | 19:14 | |
| what sometimes do in code is create GIT_ASKPASS programmatically and go from there | 19:15 | ||
| git-scm.com/docs/gitcredentials | |||
| (on repos that don't use ssh keys) | |||
| Pilu | I am curious how to do this in perl | ||
| can you tell me what to read | 19:16 | ||
| or what to search on google? | |||
| El_Che | have a look at the link I pasted. A simple algorythm would be: | ||
| create a file (script) that outputs the password, like "echo -n password" | 19:17 | ||
| set the env variable GIT_ASKPASS that points to that file | |||
| that's it | |||
| mspo | dylanwh: reduce them | 19:25 | |
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| mspo | dylanwh: I just wanted to use it; don't mean to offend | 19:34 | |
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| dylanwh | I'm not offended. I just got involved this 4 years ago. No-XS isn't a requirement for me. But I'd accept PRs to that. | 20:16 | |
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| El_Che | dylanwh: maybe I am naive, but doens't XS speed things up? it's a big app | 20:17 | |
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| dylanwh | XS is vital for bugzilla.mozilla.org. | 20:19 | |
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| dylanwh | before I started using untaint() from Taint::Util, we had 6 million calls to the regexp /^(.*)$/ | 20:19 | |
| El_Che | wow | 20:20 | |
| dylanwh | also Cache::Memcached is worse than using no memcached. | ||
| mspo | those all sound like bugs :) | ||
| moritz | can you please keep the bugzilla discussion out of #perl6? | ||
| dylanwh | Sorry. :) | ||
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| timotimo | surely /^(.*)$/ is optimized out the wazzoo in perl5? | 20:33 | |
| dylanwh | it's not faster than just unsetting the taint bit | 20:36 | |
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| dylanwh | but I won't speak further here. I have my own irc channel. :) | 20:36 | |
| timotimo | right, but it could compile down to just an assignment to $/ and the untaint? | ||
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| mst | I think the regexp questions can go to #perl | 20:38 | |
| and there's a #bugzilla on irc.mozilla.org for bugz stuff | 20:39 | ||
| (I am in that one too) | |||
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| dylanwh | mst is everywhere. | 20:40 | |
| El_Che | mst is a concept | 20:41 | |
| a state of being | |||
| dylanwh | also a timezone | 20:42 | |
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| Geth | doc/master: 4 commits pushed by cfa++, (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | 20:47 | |
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| geekosaur | the mst continuum? | 21:06 | |
| stmuk | timotimo: oops I missed your PRyou are on pl6anet now | 21:07 | |
| El_Che | the mst conundrum, maybe | ||
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| cfa | AlexDaniel: thanks | 21:32 | |
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| Geth | doc: d6c4d434e3 | cfa++ | doc/Language/module-packages.pod6 Ensure that .pm6 is used consistently in module-packages.pod6. |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/module-packages | ||
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| camelia | 0 | ||
| lichtkind | how can i get a version of a module? | ||
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| atweiden-air | what's a CLI example of how to use `sub MAIN(:@string)`? how would you pass multiple strings to that? better to just String.split on a scalar? | 22:48 | |
| MasterDuke | atweiden-air: `--string=a --string=b --string=c` should work | 22:50 | |
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| atweiden-air | MasterDuke: thanks | 22:52 | |
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