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Geth | whateverable: f307872bc8 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | 2 files CONTRIBUTING.md + some README.md changes |
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rouking | Does anyone know of a more complete GTK module? GTK::Simple is nice, but I'd like access to more of the features | 02:39 | |
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timotimo | rouking: pull requests are very welcome :S | 02:45 | |
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Geth | doc: 8beea64f9e | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/routines.pod6 Creates a new «routines» page :sparkles: Initially to close #1032. It will help also with #2059, #1518, #1045 and #1747. Initially, `emit` has been added to a `control` section. Could be moved later on. |
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synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/routines | ||
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Geth | doc: d924476470 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/routines.pod6 Adds done closes #1032 |
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synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/routines | ||
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Geth | doc: 241245c0b8 | (JJ Merelo)++ | 2 files Exit found a better place :truck: Which closes #1747. |
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jmerelo | StackExchange data has apparently updated its data stores, and here's the new graph with monthly perl6-tagged questions data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflo...ions#graph | 06:05 | |
Maybe you see a certain trend there :-) ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ | |||
(and we still have 3 days to go... ) | 06:06 | ||
donpdonp | nice. | ||
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jmerelo | In February the visits were a binary number: one day there was 1, the next 0, the next 1, and so on. Now it's on average 2 questions per day. We're not anywhere near we we should be, but we're improving. | 06:08 | |
Last 3 months have been the 1, 2nd and 6th with the most questions. 3rd was January after release, 4th August 2017, 5th November. | 06:09 | ||
Something happened in August 2017, I've seen those bumps everywhere. Any idea? | |||
data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflo...resultSets | |||
Actually, July 2017. | 06:10 | ||
squashable6: status | 06:11 | ||
squashable6 | jmerelo, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in 3 days and ≈3 hours (2018-06-02 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day | ||
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lizmat clickbaits p6weekly.wordpress.com/2018/05/28/...o-you-too/ | 07:15 | ||
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AlexDaniel | squashable6: next | 07:29 | |
squashable6 | AlexDaniel, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in 3 days and ≈2 hours (2018-06-02 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day | ||
Summertime | I was going to joke about p6weekly should also have a privacy policy, but I guess wordpress handles that doesn't it? | 07:30 | |
jmerelo | Mixing roles into callables, the question stackoverflow.com/questions/505787...-callables | 07:31 | |
moritz | Summertime: it's complicated :( | ||
GDPT contains provisions that somebody who processes your data needs to inform you | 07:34 | ||
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moritz | so in the strictest interpretation, the editor would need to send an email to whoever they write about as soon as they start taking notes | 07:34 | |
*GDPR | 07:35 | ||
Summertime | complicated but worthwhile c:, can't imagine trying to implementing it sanely, but... I'm glad I can look at a site that I trust, and understand what they do with things now | 07:36 | |
Xliff_ | .tell sergot Can you email me a simple way to use HTTP::UserAgent to send a POST with a specific BODY (not form data). | 07:37 | |
yoleaux | Xliff_: I'll pass your message to sergot. | ||
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AlexDaniel | mst: so if I want #whateverable to be registered, what would you recommend? As I see, the options are: register a new group for #whateverable; move to ##whateverable without registering a group; perhaps use perl6 group (right?) and move to #perl6-whateverable | 07:54 | |
mst: fwiw project page: github.com/perl6/whateverable | 07:55 | ||
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AlexDaniel | moritz: I don't think p6weekly deals with personal data | 07:56 | |
moritz | AlexDaniel: it certainly deals with personally identifiable data, for example names | 07:58 | |
IANAL though | 07:59 | ||
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AlexDaniel | hm I guess you're right | 07:59 | |
jmerelo | moritz: don't know. If that was the case, you would have to register every single link out there, as in "Foo McBar said whatever here". | ||
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moritz | jmerelo: correct. That's one of the points critics dislike about GDPR | 08:00 | |
afaict, there's no exception for journalistic activities | |||
jmerelo | moritz: hum. But you are not actually "requesting" information (such as email) from that person. That person has published that information in another provider. | 08:01 | |
moritz | jmerelo: but requestion information from users isn't the sole scope of GDPR | 08:02 | |
processing PII is | |||
*requesting | |||
jmerelo | moritz: I mean, think about someone citing an interview from a newspaper. I think that's covered by other laws (right to rectification, or something like that, I guess... Or the one that allows you to request Google to erase things) | ||
jmerelo just loves the word "requestion" | 08:03 | ||
AlexDaniel | there's also this thing about doing something in the public interest | ||
in which case you don't need consent… | |||
jmerelo | AlexDaniel: right. When you're publishing something, you're just "quoting". It can also be said that you are "notified" by the fact that you can ego-google yourself and find your name. | 08:04 | |
Don't know. Here lies dragons. | |||
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lizmat just answered jmerelo on SO | 08:33 | ||
jmerelo thanks lizmat :-) | 08:34 | ||
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scimon | I finally worked out why I was having the issues with libssl. I've been using the monthly packages to keep my system up to date. Guess which muppet install the 32bit package last month? Doh. | 08:44 | |
lizmat | jmerelo: re bump of questions in 201707, I would say that would be brian d foy asking a *lot* of questions | 08:47 | |
scimon | That he did. | 08:48 | |
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jmerelo | lizmat: it's not only that, also a bump in commits and issues. If that were correlated, it would be a good thing... | 08:56 | |
*those | |||
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jmerelo | here goes another SO question pretty much in the same ballpark (but this was my actual original problem) stackoverflow.com/questions/505804...tor-method | 09:09 | |
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Geth | doc: b907392cb6 | (JJ Merelo)++ | 2 files Chages structure of new page and adds link to structures |
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Geth | doc: e598e200a1 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/structures.pod6 *Really* adds link |
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AlexDaniel | jmerelo: it seems like shareable6 hangs from time to time :S | 10:57 | |
that's sad | 10:58 | ||
jmerelo | AlexDaniel: yep... | ||
AlexDaniel | (and that's the reason for some doc failures) | ||
(CI I mean) | |||
jmerelo: pretty sure it's a rakudobug, so we'll probably have to live with it for a bit :S | |||
I'll try to investigate later today | 10:59 | ||
but | |||
I'm pretty sure it's a variation of github.com/perl6/whateverable/issues/296 | |||
which is rakudobugged here: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1595 | 11:00 | ||
jmerelo | AlexDaniel: I'll try to address that in the upcoming squashathon, if you don't mind... | 11:01 | |
AlexDaniel: or maybe address shareable problems, whatever is easier... | 11:02 | ||
jmerelo goes AFK to buy groceries for preparing today's lunch. Cooking this, just in case you're insterested www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/w...sca-recipe | 11:03 | ||
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El_Che | jmerelo: your family is lucky! | 11:11 | |
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tbrowder_ | jmerlo: thnx for the recipe. the details on the choice of type of tomatoes answers the question of why that dish was LTA the last time we had it | 11:15 | |
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jmerelo | tbrowder_: you probably have to use brined and salted, not pickled, capers. Also, it's better if you use fresh pasta. There's a nice Italian shop here that prepares it daily. | 11:46 | |
hahainternet | haha not what i expected to see in this channel | 11:47 | |
anyone have any recommendations for cooking chorizo? :) | |||
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jmerelo | hahainternet: I'm Spanish. I probably have nothing else. | 11:49 | |
tbrowder_ | to me the tomatoes were the issue. wife used fresh tomatoes but they tasted too light (not enough body). i sent her the link. | 11:50 | |
jmerelo | hahainternet: do you want it with pasta, added to chili con carne, in burritos, with lentils, cooked in wine? Fried eggs with chorizo, anyone? | ||
hahainternet | jmerelo: I like an italian cured meat, but the spanish seem to have hit the jackpot | ||
jmerelo: i've made a habit of back bacon and eggs every saturday, but i'm going to try smoking bbq, and this looks intriguing: www.farmison.com/pantry/cured-pott...ng-chorizo | |||
jmerelo | hahainternet: the chili is the key, I guess. It's Spanish paprika. | 11:51 | |
hahainternet | i should grow some bell peppers i guess | 11:52 | |
i have some jalapenos just germinated | |||
jmerelo | hahainternet: If it's for BBQ, probably Argentinian chorizo is better. But as long as it's not too dry, you can try anyone | 11:53 | |
hahainternet | jmerelo: it's for smoking, so 4-5 hours at a low heat, i figure any chorizo should be good as the flavour will diffuse into the meat | ||
jmerelo | hahainternet: you can try and make your own. It's minced meat plus paprika, basically, dried for a time. You can invent jalapeño chorizo :-) | ||
hahainternet | hah, i could burn water so for now i'm happy to buy, but yeah i'd love to get good at this sorta thing | ||
jmerelo | jmerelo: sounds delicious. And I'm too close to cooking. I'll eat everything before it cooks... | 11:54 | |
jkramer | A friend of mine recently made a habanero soup with chorizo, it was wonderful! <3 You need to love spicy food though, it's basically just lots of habaneros, garlic and some tomatoes :) | ||
hahainternet: I can get find the recipe if you're interested | |||
jmerelo | jkramer: sounds mouth-watering and also -burning. Which is kind of paradoxical, but in a nice kind of way. | ||
jkramer | jmerelo: Indeed! I'm not as used to chilis as my friend is (he grows tons of the hottest chilis on his balcony every year) so I was dying during the first bowl of the soup, but then I got accustomed and needed to have 2 more :D | 11:56 | |
hahainternet | jkramer: no rush at the moment thank you, i already have too long of a list :) | ||
jkramer | It's actually really easy to make. Fry ~10 habaneros and as much garlic as you like in some oil. Then take it out (but keep the oil), then fry diced chorizos in the same oil. Again, take it out but keep the oil. Then fry (uncooked, ie hard) spaghetti in the oil until they're brownish. | 11:59 | |
In the meantime put the habaneros and the garlic with some (sieved) tomatos in a blender, then pour it over the spaghetti, add the chorizos back and boil the spaghetti in the soup. | 12:00 | ||
raschipi | I got really confused for a moment, chouriço (which would be a direct transliteration of chorizo) means blood sausage in Brazilian Portuguese. | 12:02 | |
jkramer | I forgot what spices to add but I think you don't need much with all the garlic, habaneros and salty chorizos. :) I'm sure there were some fresh herbs in there though, maybe parsley. Serve with some avocado slices and half a lime that you can squeeze in if you like it fruity | ||
tbrowder_ | jjmerelo: if you’re having strange doc issues i’ve found a pod bug that may be the cause. master rakudo is passing all pod tests in spite of the bug...investigating. | 12:10 | |
er, false alarm...i forgot about no need for a return statement since last sub value is used as implicit return—whew! | 12:12 | ||
jmerelo | tbrowder_: not really. I was checking to see if your PR was in the latest release to proceed and close the issues in Pod::To::Html and perl6/doc | 12:14 | |
There's some stuff that's kind of problematic with writing the documentation: knowing what is spec and what's not. I'm checking out Iterable, for instance. Apparently, only the 'iterator' method is. | 12:15 | ||
tbrowder_ | i don’t think fix is in latest release | ||
jmerelo | But you have to look up, one by one, the rest of the methods (BAGIFY or MIXIFY) in roast to find that out. It would really help if there was some documentation added to methods saying "Don't look for this in roast, it's a Rakudo thing" (or some compactified thing to that effect) | 12:16 | |
tbrowder_: hope it makes it into the next one... | |||
raschipi | jmerelo: You can do it the other way around. Send pull requests to ROAST and doc at the same time. | ||
lizmat | BAGGIFY / MIXIFY are supposed to be internal methods | ||
jmerelo | raschipi: roast is not to blame, I guess. | 12:17 | |
timotimo | "rakudown" | ||
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jmerelo | timotimo: :-) | 12:17 | |
timotimo | supposed to mean "rakudo own" but could also be the opposite of "rakudup" | ||
jmerelo | lizmat: That was my hunch, because they are neither documented or in roast. But I had to check in roast. | 12:18 | |
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lizmat | jmerelo: and they're subs rather than methods | 12:18 | |
jmerelo | lizmat: still. Something like 楽土 in the comment section would help... | 12:19 | |
lizmat: Simply 土 | |||
lizmat | ?? | ||
jmerelo | That's the symbol for raku-do in Japanese... | 12:20 | |
lizmat | .u 土 | ||
yoleaux | No characters found | ||
lizmat | hmm | ||
.u土 | |||
jmerelo | Now really I have to cook | ||
See you later | |||
lizmat | m: "土".uniname.say | ||
camelia | CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-571F | ||
lizmat | .oO( an easter egg opportunity ? ) |
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lizmat has answered jmerelo on SO again | 12:32 | ||
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moritz | lizmat++ | 12:37 | |
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mst | AlexDaniel: pretty much those are exactly your options yes | 13:33 | |
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raschipi | jmerelo: what do you think about closing doc issue #114 and opening two other issues for the remaining tasks? | 15:25 | |
jmerelo | raschipi: I was waiting to finish the two remaining pages before doing that | 15:27 | |
raschipi: but please feel free to do it if you think so. I'm starting the next-to-last page (iterating) and leaving nativetypes for last. | |||
raschipi: there's already a page for the nativetypes, so just a single issue would be needed if so. | 15:28 | ||
I mean an issue... github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1512 | 15:29 | ||
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jmerelo | There are a couple of pages that could be added there too, but I have preferred not to to be able to close it. One is the page on "independent" routines (which I just started) and another one on statement prefixes | 15:30 | |
And maybe pragmas, which is out there too... | |||
Geth | doc: rafaelschipiura assigned to JJ Issue Docs on iterating data structures. github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2069 rafaelschipiura assigned to JJ Issue Docs on Independent Subroutines github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2070 fix pod bug |
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jmerelo | raschipi++ | 15:34 | |
jmerelo | raschipi: last one is kind of similar to #1518... | 15:36 | |
raschipi | You get two for one, then. | ||
jmerelo | raschipi: and besides, that one should be closed, I guess, since exit is already moved to the new page | 15:37 | |
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raschipi | done and done | 15:42 | |
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raschipi | I knew #114 was bugging you, and I also knew it's always possible to close big issues that were split into new ones. | 15:45 | |
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[Coke] | jmerelo: recent reflows have broken links-not-links | 16:08 | |
I would recommend re-writing the test to generate HTML rather than add pod smarts to the test. | 16:12 | ||
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jmerelo | [Coke]: OK | 16:39 | |
[Coke] | (short term, however, putting those links back onto a single line will at least make the test pass) | ||
doc: 480299a745 | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | README.nl.md whitespace |
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Geth | doc/car-grant-midrat: 238 commits pushed by 21 authors review: github.com/perl6/doc/compare/b066f...030bba643f |
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jmerelo | [Coke]: Long term it would be interesting to group line-oriented and full-document oriented tests. That will also speed them up a bit. | 17:04 | |
[Coke]: but long term also, this would be interesting github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1952: sharing Pod6 caches. | 17:05 | ||
[Coke]: right now, they are used only by Pod::To::Bigpage | |||
[Coke]: it's an under-documented feature of CompUnits, but I was thinking about creating a Pod::Shareable module, spin it off, and use it from here. | 17:06 | ||
[Coke]: the way it's been done now, we're interpreting every page 3-4 times when testing. That's not too efficiente. | |||
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Geth | doc: uzluisf++ created pull request #2073: Minor corrections to the data structure doc |
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[Coke] | I am pretty sure that we were using the same cache at one point. | 17:31 | |
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jmerelo | [Coke]: maybe it was left because make html is only done in some cases, and is not needed for generating the web pages. | 17:32 | |
[Coke] | ? make html is how the web pages are generated, no? | ||
(it's just another way to call htmlify) | |||
jmerelo | [Coke]: right. I mean whatever target runs make1bigpage (or whatever). I'm not too sharp right now. | 17:33 | |
[Coke]: I don't know, anyway. Maybe it was done so at some point in the past, but I haven't seen that. | |||
Geth | doc: ed55bffeab | (Luis F. Uceta)++ | doc/Language/structures.pod6 Minor corrections to the data structure doc Added the newline character to the output of the code examples where the statement 'say' was used. Also fixed some minor typos and changed some wording. |
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doc: f31f2bdb66 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/structures.pod6 Merge pull request #2073 from uzluisf/master Minor corrections to the data structure doc That's amazing. Thanks a lot! :100: |
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[Coke] | If I ever get free time, I'll look at the cache one | ||
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jmerelo | [Coke]: don't worry. My intention is to work on that later on, maybe a few weeks from now... It's not high-priority, only nice to have. | 17:39 | |
[Coke] | thanks for fixing the long-present aspell bug | 17:40 | |
jmerelo | [Coke]: no problem. My pleasure. Thanks for saying that, I appreciate :-) | ||
[Coke]: long term maybe we should move to hunspell, anyway... | 17:41 | ||
[Coke] | I only picked aspell because it was there. | 17:42 | |
not tied to it. | |||
jmerelo | [Coke]: the main problem now is converting the dictionary if possible. It shouldn't be hard, but I tried that and it failed. Anyway, if it's working now, no need to fix it. | 17:43 | |
[Coke]: long term solution also would be to have a Pod::Test::Spelling which skips code and some other things... And at this point it starts to look like yak shaving, so let's leave it like that. | 17:44 | ||
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uzl | Hi to everybody! | 17:45 | |
I was wondering if there was a way to get information (in a manpage style) about a function/method from the Perl 6 REPL. | 17:46 | ||
jmerelo | uzl: Hi! Yep, there's p6doc. not exactly the same. | ||
uzl: and in fact, that's precisely what it doesn't do github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1088 | 17:47 | ||
uzl: so you'll have to make do with the web search, I'm afraid. Maybe we could make p6doc include an API to the web... or read the JS which implements search or whatever. | 17:48 | ||
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uzl | jmerelo: Yeah, I use p6doc from time to time. | 17:50 | |
jmerelo: it just happens that I was fiddling with R the other day and found this feature kind of neat. | |||
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[Coke] | There was a thought at one point that .WHY would do this, but it's a lot of data to shove into the runtime atm. | 17:51 | |
jmerelo | uzl: well, as [Coke] says, you have that but only if you call .WHY from a program and only if that particular feature is documented. AFAIR, you can't call p6doc on a module function that will, in turn, call WHY | 17:52 | |
uzl: would be nice to have. | 17:53 | ||
Another mixins/iterable question in StackOverflow stackoverflow.com/questions/505902...tring-role | 17:54 | ||
uzl | [Coke]: jmerelo: Oh, it makes sense! | ||
jmerelo: hopefully the community can cook up something similar in the near future! | 17:57 | ||
jmerelo | uzl: you can always open an issue. p6doc is part of the perl6/doc repo. Or comment in the issue opened by [Coke] I have linked above. | 17:58 | |
uzl | jmerelo: I'll keep that in mind. | 18:02 | |
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Geth | doc: chsanch++ created pull request #2075: Change terms as suggested in #2015 |
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kjk | my $out = './x.out'.IO.open(:w); my $p = run <<ls -la adfadsf>>, :out($out), :merge; $out.close; # <--- file ./x.out is empty. Is this a bug? | 18:14 | |
I'd expect the file to contain error message from the ls command. | 18:15 | ||
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raschipi | kjk: ls probably sent the error message to standard error, while you captured standard output. | 18:16 | |
try with :err instead of :out | 18:17 | ||
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kjk | raschipi: same; no error messages in the file. | 18:22 | |
Zoffix | kjk: yeah, looks like a bug with the :merge. Would you file it as github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/new ? | ||
s/as/at/; | |||
kjk | ok will do. | ||
moritz | iirc there are known bugs with merge | 18:23 | |
Zoffix | kjk: just doing `:$out, :err($out)` will probably do the job in the meantime. | ||
moritz: IIRC they were fixed during Proc refactor | |||
moritz | Zoffix: ah nice, wasn't aware of that | 18:25 | |
kjk | Zoffix: that works! thanks | ||
Zoffix | Briefly scanning the code, looks like the pipe-to-IO::Pipe option is handled in the same conditional tree as merge, and merge comes first. Should be a simple fix. | 18:27 | |
The merge being handled here: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...m6#L51-L62 while piping is up here, in the `else` branch from merge: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...m6#L90-L92 | |||
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melezhik | Hi! I'd like to use %?RESOURCES construction with dynamic identifier , how can I do that? Like my $a="my-resource"; %?RESOURCES{$a} ... is it correct? | 18:42 | |
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moritz | melezhik: sure, it's a hash | 18:43 | |
melezhik | Thanks, moritz: | ||
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melezhik | perl6 irc community is very fast and friendly as usual )))) | 18:44 | |
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Geth | doc: a8c5b088d8 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/iterating.pod6 Writes a small introduction |
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doc: 264b941084 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Iterable.pod6 Changes Iterable example, closes #2074 |
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Geth | doc/rasch-node-what: eb9e59abde | (Rafael Schipiura)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/js-nutshell.pod6 Change use of WHAT to ^name It's the recommended way. WHAT is used to actually get a type object, which isn't what we want. We want the name of the class the object was instantiated from. |
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Geth | doc/master: 4 commits pushed by (Christian Sánchez)++, (Rafael Schipiura)++ | 19:47 | |
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Geth | doc: eb9e59abde | (Rafael Schipiura)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/js-nutshell.pod6 Change use of WHAT to ^name It's the recommended way. WHAT is used to actually get a type object, which isn't what we want. We want the name of the class the object was instantiated from. |
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Geth | doc: 5f2d0df3be | (Rafael Schipiura)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/js-nutshell.pod6 Merge pull request #2078 from perl6/rasch-node-what Change use of WHAT to ^name |
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b2gills | I'm fairly sure that last commit is wrong | 19:58 | |
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moritz | b2gills: typeof returns a string, .^name returns a string, .WHAT returns a type object | 20:00 | |
might need a bit more elaboration | |||
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b2gills | Oh so JS is wrong | 20:01 | |
geekosaur | JS thinks differently | ||
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raschipi | It's very rare to need .WHAT, in fact I have never seen any example where that was the case. As a general rule, .^name is what people should use. | 20:02 | |
b2gills | I have used `sub ( ::T $foo ){…}` which is basically the same as `$foo.WHAT` | 20:03 | |
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